Has anyone been able to verify that Tellman is legit?  We have discussed this at
length in the RW forum.  He seems to have a very shady past, but is backed by
Branson.  I'm still not quite sure what to think of him.

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Gene Gugliotta <thinnmann@...> wrote:
>
> “I just have to remind myself �" I’ve run 540 miles on my bare
> feet in the last few months. No one’s ever done this before, so I
> didn’t know what to expect.” ~ Tellman Knudson
>
> Um, well actually MANY of of have run 540 miles barefoot in a few months.  So,
there ya go.
>
> See the article and remember the questioning of this quest in this group when
it first came up.....
>
> http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2009/11/14/news/local/free/id_379229.txt
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/ygd8dts
>
> Well, anyway, just to say, i hope he winds up OK and can eventually continue
so he can live up to his hype.
>
> This is the second kinda disappointment in integrity the barefoot running
community for me today.
>
> Ken Bob continues to be the one and only master representative of this art, no
doubt.
>
> Gene
>

Now there's a real challenge ...

Gordon

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Gene Gugliotta <thinnmann@...> wrote:
>
> Well, anyway, just to say, i hope he winds up OK and can eventually continue
so he can live up to his hype.

Yes.

Gordon

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "doglover894" <doglover894@...> wrote:
>
> is barefoot running good if one leg is longer that the other- thanks
>

Congrats, Josh! Keep wearin' those hats, and you'll be running in London in
2012.

Jim


--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "inkyd@..." <sutcliffe@...> wrote:
>
> Warrior 5k in Walnut Cove
> Time: 20:02 (previous PR: 20:22)
> Overall: 2nd
> Age (30-39): 1st
> Weather: perfect 60 degrees, sunny
>
> Not too shabby, especially with a big hill. I could see the leader the whole
time, and basically hoped he got tired so I could catch up... didn't happen. He
finished in 19:0something. If I could have seen the finish clock earlier, I
would have sprinted for a sub-20... oh well.
>
> I started a little farther from "the edge" and didn't push too hard at the
beginning. But after the first minute, it was just me and the High School kid.
So I tried to stay as comfortable as I could without letting him get too far
away. At the halfway point, his mom told me not to catch him. "Don't worry," I
panted. "I think he's safe."
>
> The foot reception was very pleasant. Again, everyone was very nice and
curious. I had ample opportunities to promote my sponsor, Charlie's Soap. The
organizers were great, and I hope to race with them again soon. Good start to
the day - now I'm off to teach art!
>
> Oh - and how about knocking another 20 seconds off my PR? Thanks, Nike! You
make a great hat!
>

I don't like how they don't list ANY other barefoot resources.  Things like that
always lead me to question their intentions... if they are really interested in
teaching about barefoot running, why not promote collaboration?  [sigh]  At
least they give their real names and appear to be a legitimate business.


--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Gene Gugliotta <thinnmann@...> wrote:
>
> see
>
> http://runbare.com/
>
> "Barefoot Running School & Community", out of Boulder, CO.
>
> They friended me on twitter - probably from a bio or tweet search.
>  Seems like this YahooGroup/RunningBarefoot.com community should be mentioned
somewhere on that site.  But it isn't.  ~!~
>
> Michael Sandler, the company's co-founder, is a group member on this Yahoo!
Group since May 2009.  Yet as far as I can tell through group searching, his web
site has never been mentioned and he has never posted.
>
> That kind of makes me think they have appropriated the ideas and practices
pioneered here, yet are consciously ignoring some of its biggest proponents.  BF
Ted's is the only familiar site linked.
>
> OK, Michael, it is out there - time to start posting and link us!
>
> Gene
>

is barefoot running good if one leg is longer that the other- thanks

This is all new to me; I think it's because the quality of my runs have improved
so much. Maybe the energy that used to go to repairing wear and tear is now
going to speed. I admit I hope that's the case...

On the flip side, I'm well aware that my last PR could be my life PR. Life's
weird like that. I'm just going to do my best to focus on enjoying the run. And
chasing people. That's fun too.

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Preston" <barefootrunners@...> wrote:
>
> Great barefoot showing with a 2nd place timing.
>
> That is really impressive and your time is a good show for the naysayers.
>
> Way to to. I wish I had a time like that. Good job.
>
> Preston
>
> --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "inkyd@" <sutcliffe@> wrote:
> >
> > Warrior 5k in Walnut Cove
> > Time: 20:02 (previous PR: 20:22)
> > Overall: 2nd
> > Age (30-39): 1st
> > Weather: perfect 60 degrees, sunny
> >
> > Not too shabby, especially with a big hill. I could see the leader the whole
time, and basically hoped he got tired so I could catch up... didn't happen. He
finished in 19:0something. If I could have seen the finish clock earlier, I
would have sprinted for a sub-20... oh well.
> >
> > I started a little farther from "the edge" and didn't push too hard at the
beginning. But after the first minute, it was just me and the High School kid.
So I tried to stay as comfortable as I could without letting him get too far
away. At the halfway point, his mom told me not to catch him. "Don't worry," I
panted. "I think he's safe."
> >
> > The foot reception was very pleasant. Again, everyone was very nice and
curious. I had ample opportunities to promote my sponsor, Charlie's Soap. The
organizers were great, and I hope to race with them again soon. Good start to
the day - now I'm off to teach art!
> >
> > Oh - and how about knocking another 20 seconds off my PR? Thanks, Nike! You
make a great hat!
> >
>

Great barefoot showing with a 2nd place timing.

That is really impressive and your time is a good show for the naysayers.

Way to to. I wish I had a time like that. Good job.

Preston

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "inkyd@..." <sutcliffe@...> wrote:
>
> Warrior 5k in Walnut Cove
> Time: 20:02 (previous PR: 20:22)
> Overall: 2nd
> Age (30-39): 1st
> Weather: perfect 60 degrees, sunny
>
> Not too shabby, especially with a big hill. I could see the leader the whole
time, and basically hoped he got tired so I could catch up... didn't happen. He
finished in 19:0something. If I could have seen the finish clock earlier, I
would have sprinted for a sub-20... oh well.
>
> I started a little farther from "the edge" and didn't push too hard at the
beginning. But after the first minute, it was just me and the High School kid.
So I tried to stay as comfortable as I could without letting him get too far
away. At the halfway point, his mom told me not to catch him. "Don't worry," I
panted. "I think he's safe."
>
> The foot reception was very pleasant. Again, everyone was very nice and
curious. I had ample opportunities to promote my sponsor, Charlie's Soap. The
organizers were great, and I hope to race with them again soon. Good start to
the day - now I'm off to teach art!
>
> Oh - and how about knocking another 20 seconds off my PR? Thanks, Nike! You
make a great hat!
>

And I thought the pain was telling me to change my ways... the way I run, walk,
and even stand.

Have fun,
-barefoot ken bob

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "yanni papastavrou"
<yannipapastavrou@...> wrote:
>
> Nice piece, but I disagree with the neuroscientist who thinks that we must
continue to wear shoes in order that our feet remain sensitive.  I would posit
that shoe-acclimatised feet aren't sensitive, they are hyper-sensitive.  Isn't
it better to cure this pathology and make the feet become well again?  The host
of this program states that we must feel the pain of going barefoot to get the
real experience, presumably that being barefoot is something that one must
suffer from and be punished by, instead of experiencing it for what it is -
liberation and healing of mind, body and spirit.  How strange that we have this
fetish for pain and suffering so embedded in our Western cultures...
> Yanni
> Barefoot runner since December 2004.
>
> >
> > From the BBC:
> > "In our 60 Second Idea To Change The World ANTONY GORMLEY instructs us all
to give up shoes and go barefoot. At a time of global warming, with naked feet
you can actually feel it. He has gone barefoot for a year and says that if you
dispense with shoes you can appreciate distinctions and negotiate your
environment in a totally different way."
> > watch the interview on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p004wglf
> > scroll down to the 6th item or go directly to my website:
> > http://www.oerlopen.nl/index.php?pag=art&doc=1113
> >
>

Warrior 5k in Walnut Cove
Time: 20:02 (previous PR: 20:22)
Overall: 2nd
Age (30-39): 1st
Weather: perfect 60 degrees, sunny

Not too shabby, especially with a big hill. I could see the leader the whole
time, and basically hoped he got tired so I could catch up... didn't happen. He
finished in 19:0something. If I could have seen the finish clock earlier, I
would have sprinted for a sub-20... oh well.

I started a little farther from "the edge" and didn't push too hard at the
beginning. But after the first minute, it was just me and the High School kid.
So I tried to stay as comfortable as I could without letting him get too far
away. At the halfway point, his mom told me not to catch him. "Don't worry," I
panted. "I think he's safe."

The foot reception was very pleasant. Again, everyone was very nice and curious.
I had ample opportunities to promote my sponsor, Charlie's Soap. The organizers
were great, and I hope to race with them again soon. Good start to the day - now
I'm off to teach art!

Oh - and how about knocking another 20 seconds off my PR? Thanks, Nike! You make
a great hat!

Nice piece, but I disagree with the neuroscientist who thinks that we must
continue to wear shoes in order that our feet remain sensitive.  I would posit
that shoe-acclimatised feet aren't sensitive, they are hyper-sensitive.  Isn't
it better to cure this pathology and make the feet become well again?  The host
of this program states that we must feel the pain of going barefoot to get the
real experience, presumably that being barefoot is something that one must
suffer from and be punished by, instead of experiencing it for what it is -
liberation and healing of mind, body and spirit.  How strange that we have this
fetish for pain and suffering so embedded in our Western cultures...
Yanni
Barefoot runner since December 2004.

>
> From the BBC:
> "In our 60 Second Idea To Change The World ANTONY GORMLEY instructs us all to
give up shoes and go barefoot. At a time of global warming, with naked feet you
can actually feel it. He has gone barefoot for a year and says that if you
dispense with shoes you can appreciate distinctions and negotiate your
environment in a totally different way."
> watch the interview on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p004wglf
> scroll down to the 6th item or go directly to my website:
> http://www.oerlopen.nl/index.php?pag=art&doc=1113
>

From the BBC:
"In our 60 Second Idea To Change The World ANTONY GORMLEY instructs us all to
give up shoes and go barefoot. At a time of global warming, with naked feet you
can actually feel it. He has gone barefoot for a year and says that if you
dispense with shoes you can appreciate distinctions and negotiate your
environment in a totally different way."
watch the interview on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p004wglf
scroll down to the 6th item or go directly to my website:
http://www.oerlopen.nl/index.php?pag=art&doc=1113

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Barefoot Ken Bob Saxton" <KenBob@...>
wrote:

> Likewise, most runners have chronic pains, and frequent injuries, therefore
this must be
> normal.

This week, on the Runner's World Marathon forum, someone posted (proudly?) that
in 18 years of running, he'd had 12 stress fractures.  It is amazing what people
will learn to accept as "normal."

-unshod ashish

Well, in all fairness - though the negative commentators certainly didn't care
about being fair - these are not particularly readers in the running
community... Even in the running community, it is rare, on a run, that I don't
meet a runner who has "never" heard of running barefoot ...

As Preston and I recently discussed over the phone, most runners aren't
particularly interested - after all, they're still running, without serious
problems, or at least nothing they consider serious, or at least, not unusual,
for most runners...

Reminds me of a chain smoker I worked with some 30 years ago. Whenever he
stepped into our shop, everyone started coughing - but, then again, that
probably happened most everywhere he went - people constantly coughing. To him,
it must have seemed that everyone else was coughing, constantly - kind of like
the refrigerator light, every time we open the refrigerator door, the light is
on. Therefore, the refrigerator must be on all of the time.

Every time my chain smoking co-worker saw other people, the other people were
coughing. Therefore, people must cough all of the time.

Likewise, most runners have chronic pains, and frequent injuries, therefore this
must be normal.

Every time I read my running club's newsletter, someone is talking about how
they, or a friend couldn't run, because of injury ... but they're looking
forward to their next run, as soon as they're recovered ...

It's no wonder running (not necessarily barefoot) gets a bad rep. And not
surprising that folks think running barefoot would be worse - because they
aren't reading with an open mind...

Have fun,
-barefoot ken bob

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "inkyd@..." <sutcliffe@...> wrote:
>
> What I find odd isn't so much their negativity as their ignorance of the
barefoot "fad." Who in the running community hasn't heard of it by now?
>
> People treat learning like the flu.
>
> Josh
> southofthecliff.blogspot.com
>
> --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, David McCord <saloncolorist@> wrote:
> >
> > OMG! I was reading the comments on the story and was shocked.  I couldn't
believe how much ignorance and closed mindedness there was.  Just try it, if
it's not for you then it's not for you, but at least you tried it. But to see
people quoting so much garbage about a subject they are clueless about.  And to
see it come from other runners...wow... I applaud you Ken Bob and everybody else
who deal with that crude on a daily basis.  Being new to barefoot running I
guess my eyes will be opening a lot more. Wow. I'm glad we have these forums to
help each other out....Have a great run everyone, Gumpy
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Preston <barefootrunners@> wrote:
> >
> >
>

What I find odd isn't so much their negativity as their ignorance of the
barefoot "fad." Who in the running community hasn't heard of it by now?

People treat learning like the flu.

Josh
southofthecliff.blogspot.com

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, David McCord <saloncolorist@...> wrote:
>
> OMG! I was reading the comments on the story and was shocked.  I couldn't
believe how much ignorance and closed mindedness there was.  Just try it, if
it's not for you then it's not for you, but at least you tried it. But to see
people quoting so much garbage about a subject they are clueless about.  And to
see it come from other runners...wow... I applaud you Ken Bob and everybody else
who deal with that crude on a daily basis.  Being new to barefoot running I
guess my eyes will be opening a lot more. Wow. I'm glad we have these forums to
help each other out....Have a great run everyone, Gumpy
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Preston <barefootrunners@...> wrote:
>
>

Hi David!

I just came back from a 5 mile run in the rain, temp 45 deg F. outside. I don't
have any tricks for running in the colder weather up here in the NW, except the
same old mantra we always repeat:

Knees bent, feet placed beneath the body, quick cadence, back erect,

and . . .

relax!

I make sure I keep my head and hands warm and bundle up as much as necessary
against the cold or the rain. My feet do get cold sometimes, even to the point
of getting numb, but they do just fine as long as I observe the basic rules of
good form.

Ryan - Vancouver, WA


--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "David" <themcdac@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Preston" <barefootrunners@> wrote:
> > > Is it the weather or time of the year?
>
> --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Barefoot Ken Bob Saxton" <KenBob@>
wrote:
> > Well, we actually have an even 1800 members now - Woo Hoo! But, it is not
unusual this time of year for the postings to slow down a bit...
> ...
> > See you all next spring (either here, or at RunningBarefoot.org) - though I
will still be running barefoot here in southern California.
>
> Ironically, I am ramping up my barefoot running. I am going to try for the
Eugene Marathon in spring.
>
> I figure if I can get through my first barefoot winter here in the Pacific
Northwest, I am set for life. This last weekend I did my 10 miler in pouring
rain and the temperature in the low 40's. It was not unbearable, but it did make
it interesting. I had to focus hard on not slipping or sliding due to the
lessened feeling from the cold and wet. We don't often get snow here but I am
curious what it will be like.
>
> Any good suggestions for the cold and wet? Ryan, I know you live here how do
you do it?
>
> --
> David
>

> --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Preston" <barefootrunners@> wrote:
> > Is it the weather or time of the year?

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Barefoot Ken Bob Saxton" <KenBob@...>
wrote:
> Well, we actually have an even 1800 members now - Woo Hoo! But, it is not
unusual this time of year for the postings to slow down a bit...
...
> See you all next spring (either here, or at RunningBarefoot.org) - though I
will still be running barefoot here in southern California.

Ironically, I am ramping up my barefoot running. I am going to try for the
Eugene Marathon in spring.

I figure if I can get through my first barefoot winter here in the Pacific
Northwest, I am set for life. This last weekend I did my 10 miler in pouring
rain and the temperature in the low 40's. It was not unbearable, but it did make
it interesting. I had to focus hard on not slipping or sliding due to the
lessened feeling from the cold and wet. We don't often get snow here but I am
curious what it will be like.

Any good suggestions for the cold and wet? Ryan, I know you live here how do you
do it?

--
David

Cool Jim,

What did they say or how did they react to your chat and demo on barefoot
running? Were they more apt to get it being barefoot in a yoga class or was the
reaction the same to people ar races?

Just curious.

Good report.

Preston

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Paisner" <jmpaisner@...> wrote:
>
> I had the pleasure of being part of that evening barefoot run. The reporter
> wrote: " The pace is more tentative, strides shorter and landings gentler."
> I think the tentative part was the other guys slowing down so I could keep
> up! lol
>
>
>
> After the yoga class I taught this morning half a dozen people gathered
> around me to talk about barefoot running. A couple had seen me running in
> town, and all had read the Boston Globe article. Of course we are all
> barefoot for yoga, so I was able to demonstrate barefoot running in place,
> and contrast that with heel striking in running shoes.
>
>
>
> Oh, and in the picture, mine is the only left foot!
>
>
>
> Jim
>

Well, this morning, it looks like the RunningBarefoot.org web membership and the
Running Barefoot Yahoo! membership are growing at the same pace...

Running Barefoot.org 1258, +1 from my last post
(welcome, icepigs)

Running Barefoot Yahoo! 1801, +1 from my last post
(welcome, jimkielma)

Have fun,
-barefoot ken bob

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Barefoot Ken Bob Saxton" <KenBob@...>
wrote:
>
> Well, we actually have an even 1800 members now - Woo Hoo! But, it is not
unusual this time of year for the postings to slow down a bit...
>
> Otherwise, it may be that there are a lot more Running Barefoot (Barefoot
Running) forums available, including http://RunningBarefoot.org - which
currently has 1,257 members (mostly recently joined), ...

Well, we actually have an even 1800 members now - Woo Hoo! But, it is not
unusual this time of year for the postings to slow down a bit...

Otherwise, it may be that there are a lot more Running Barefoot (Barefoot
Running) forums available, including http://RunningBarefoot.org - which
currently has 1,257 members (mostly recently joined), and the ability to post,
and comment on posts, is getting a lot of the activity that might otherwise have
been here.

So the dinosaur (this group) may be evolving (away from Yahoo!) in the near
future ...

See you all next spring (either here, or at RunningBarefoot.org) - though I will
still be running barefoot here in southern California.

Have fun,
-barefoot ken bob

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Preston" <barefootrunners@...> wrote:
>
> Is there something wrong with the speed of posts?
>
> It has been erie here the past few days.
>
> Considering an article in the Boston Globe and people's race results, this is
scary.
>
> Is it the weather or time of the year?
>
> Where is everybody?
>
> Preston
>

I was just getting ready to post the same article, but you beat me to it!

Great article.


--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Preston" <barefootrunners@...> wrote:
>
> Hey all you barefootrunners,
>
> The Boston Globe article came out today and is online. I think it was a
pro-barefoot article, but will let peeps on this post decide.
>
> What disappointed more were the readers comments at the bottom of page 2. Some
very myopic statements about running BF and their lack of any experience to
trash one of lif'e great pleasures. Take a looksee and comment if you wish. It
was on the front page of the North section and has a lot of pictures in the
paper. Great coverage.
>
>
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2009/11/12/barefoot_runners_say_theyve\
_found_the_soul_of_the_sport/
>
>
> Preston
>

Is there something wrong with the speed of posts?

It has been erie here the past few days.

Considering an article in the Boston Globe and people's race results, this is
scary.

Is it the weather or time of the year?

Where is everybody?

Preston

Hey all you barefootrunners,

The Boston Globe article came out today and is online. I think it was a
pro-barefoot article, but will let peeps on this post decide.

What disappointed more were the readers comments at the bottom of page 2. Some
very myopic statements about running BF and their lack of any experience to
trash one of lif'e great pleasures. Take a looksee and comment if you wish. It
was on the front page of the North section and has a lot of pictures in the
paper. Great coverage.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2009/11/12/barefoot_runners_say_theyve\
_found_the_soul_of_the_sport/


Preston