--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Gene Gugliotta <thinnmann@...>
wrote:
>
> I think this happened before, and KBS had it corrected.  Must be a
> yearly computer sweep for certain keywords.
>

Just heard on TV news that Google made a statement about this and
they're apoligizing.

Human error

Here is the full explanation:

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/this-site-may-harm-your-computer-
on.html

http://tinyurl.com/cd76r3

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "barefoot_mike454"
<mpolidor@...> wrote:
>
> ...
> I think I might actually lean forward from the
> hips down but because I bend my knees more it is hard to see. Should
> my torso be mostly vertical?
>
> - Barefoot Mike
>
>
Yes,

That's it.

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "luc_fortin68" <luc_fortin@...>
wrote:
>

I rebooted my computer and I have the same thing this morning. Do they
have made the same error again today?

Well not a big deal it just a bit annoying...

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, out_grazing <out_grazing@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I haven't read the entire post but I think I can add a visual for
> what Ken is talking about.
>  
> I ride horses, specifcally dressage...

Good analogy!

Danny Dreyer in Chi Running (www.chirunning.com) is calling
that "Cotton and Steel", it comes from tai chi

here is a webpage explaining what it is

http://www.camptaichi.com/blog/2008/05/14/15/

You've reached an Age-Restricted Area of Yahoo! Groups

There we go again ????

Hi all. Since october 2008 my IT-band has caused pain under my left
knee. I can pinpoint the place where the sore tendon moves over the
bone of my underleg.

I have done the whole textbook: stretches of the IT band, foam roller
sessions, rest. But after even 6 weeks of total rest, the moment I run
I feel my knee.

Now I am thinking maybe I should give myself a deep friction massage
on the place where it hurts. Or is this a bad idea?

All suggestions welcome!

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "pieter9999" <pieter9999@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all. Since october 2008 my IT-band has caused pain under my left
> knee. I can pinpoint the place where the sore tendon moves over the
> bone of my underleg.
>
> I have done the whole textbook: stretches of the IT band, foam roller
> sessions, rest. But after even 6 weeks of total rest, the moment I run
> I feel my knee.
>
> Now I am thinking maybe I should give myself a deep friction massage
> on the place where it hurts. Or is this a bad idea?
>
> All suggestions welcome!

When I was experiencing IT band issues at the knee it was related to
my mechanics. All the rolling and messaging never really helped.

IT Band issues at the knee can usually be linked to a few things. Very
tight adductors (inner thigh) and weak abductors(glutes)this can cause
your knees to fall in towards each other (knock kneed). Running with
your toes pointing outward could also be a potential problem. If your
hips are swinging side to side this can also effect the IT. One good
way to sort out the gait in a hurry is to have someone video tape you
from the side and front and rear. When you watch the video you will
get a clearer picture where your form might be off.

Good luck,Jay

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "yannipapastavrou"
<yannipapastavrou@...> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
> One of the better videos I have found advocating barefootin' in general.
> It illustrates nicely our society's madness concerning shoes:
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jBC9_NZ72sE
> Yanni
> Barefoot runner since December 2004.
>
When I watched this video I was left feeling grateful for the life I
have run into. I look at the way society can condition peoples beliefs
and thoughts about themselves. I am glad I have found a road less
traveled and I find it perfectly beautiful no matter what the others
think. While I find it hard to understand modifying my body to fit
into any clothes or footwear I can understand their reasoning. If I
condition my insides the outside will take care of itself.

Thanks for the video and the dose of gratitude,
Jay

Hey Ken, do you remember what you did before to get them to remove the adult
tag? I am
guessing that Yahoo has increased its antagonism to barefooting and now will not
admit any
barefoot group without calling it adult. That's their way of spitting in our
eye. Are we now
stuck with this?

Billy

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "pieter9999" <pieter9999@...> wrote:
>
> You've reached an Age-Restricted Area of Yahoo! Groups
>
> There we go again ????
>

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "William Gard"
<billygard@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Ken, do you remember what you did before to get them to remove
> the adult tag? I am
> guessing that Yahoo...

There is nothing Ken Bob can do when you read Google what they
released to the press besides maybe hoping that they're going to do
their job correctly:

" "This site may harm your computer" on every search result?!?!

1/31/2009 09:02:00 AM
If you did a Google search between 6:30 a.m. PST and 7:25 a.m. PST
this morning, you likely saw that the message "This site may harm
your computer" accompanied each and every search result. This was
clearly an error, and we are very sorry for the inconvenience caused
to our users.

What happened? Very simply, human error. Google flags search results
with the message "This site may harm your computer" if the site is
known to install malicious software in the background or otherwise
surreptitiously. We do this to protect our users against visiting
sites that could harm their computers. We maintain a list of such
sites through both manual and automated methods. We work with a non-
profit called StopBadware.org to come up with criteria for
maintaining this list, and to provide simple processes for webmasters
to remove their site from the list.

We periodically update that list and released one such update to the
site this morning. Unfortunately (and here's the human error), the
URL of '/' was mistakenly checked in as a value to the file and '/'
expands to all URLs. Fortunately, our on-call site reliability team
found the problem quickly and reverted the file. Since we push these
updates in a staggered and rolling fashion, the errors began
appearing between 6:27 a.m. and 6:40 a.m. and began disappearing
between 7:10 and 7:25 a.m., so the duration of the problem for any
particular user was approximately 40 minutes.

Thanks to our team for their quick work in finding this. And again,
our apologies to any of you who were inconvenienced this morning, and
to site owners whose pages were incorrectly labelled. We will
carefully investigate this incident and put more robust file checks
in place to prevent it from happening again.

Thanks for your understanding."

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "luc_fortin68"
<luc_fortin@...> wrote:
>
> Is it only on my computer? Looks like Yahho stoke again and we've been
> tagged as a f... fet... group. :-(
>
If you look in the groups polls section it has some material that
could be objectionable. I know it's seems insignificant but, it may be
enough.

Have a great week, Jay

thanks

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "ihadshoes" <jay.mullen@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "pieter9999" <pieter9999@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all. Since october 2008 my IT-band has caused pain under my left
> > knee. I can pinpoint the place where the sore tendon moves over the
> > bone of my underleg.
> >
> > I have done the whole textbook: stretches of the IT band, foam roller
> > sessions, rest. But after even 6 weeks of total rest, the moment I run
> > I feel my knee.
> >
> > Now I am thinking maybe I should give myself a deep friction massage
> > on the place where it hurts. Or is this a bad idea?
> >
> > All suggestions welcome!
>
> When I was experiencing IT band issues at the knee it was related to
> my mechanics. All the rolling and messaging never really helped.
>
> IT Band issues at the knee can usually be linked to a few things. Very
> tight adductors (inner thigh) and weak abductors(glutes)this can cause
> your knees to fall in towards each other (knock kneed). Running with
> your toes pointing outward could also be a potential problem. If your
> hips are swinging side to side this can also effect the IT. One good
> way to sort out the gait in a hurry is to have someone video tape you
> from the side and front and rear. When you watch the video you will
> get a clearer picture where your form might be off.
>
> Good luck,Jay
>

excuse me, what is the relation between the google search problem and
the yahoo groups?

Actually, I don't think there is a relation.
I think it's what we call a coincidence. :-)

Peter

daniela daniela schreef:
>
>
> excuse me, what is the relation between the google search problem and
> the yahoo groups?
>

sent.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Gene Gugliotta <thinnmann@...> wrote:
> Just wrote to Yahoo! groups tech support (I have moderator status here since
> KBS went on his walkabout a couple years ago and needed some back-ups).
>  Anyone can contact them for this - perhaps more contact will lead to faster
> change.  Do it here -
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.html
>
> text I sent:
>
> This is not a messaging problem - the problem is that the group is all of a
> sudden labeled as "Adult". It is a sports group, not an Adult-content group.
> This happened once before. Perhaps is is based on keywords, like "barefoot"
> because some people are into that as a sexual fetish. This is a long
> established group based on runners who have discovered that running in
> over-built running shoes actually cause more injuries than running barefoot.
> Please look at the group and re-classify it correctly - as it had been.
> Thanks!
>
>
>

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "ihadshoes" <jay.mullen@...>
wrote:
>
  >
> If you look in the groups polls section it has some material that
> could be objectionable. I know it's seems insignificant but, it may be
> enough.
>
> Have a great week, Jay
>


I'd like to have than material removed, it does not belong in this board.

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, victoriapatt@... wrote:
>
> Okay I don't know what this is called, but thought maybe you all
might know
> of a stretch or strengthening exercise that might help.  The tendon
that is
> at the hip joint sometimes pops across the joint.  It can leave
soreness for
> a loooong time.....maybe it stays out of place, I'm not sure.  I had a
> doctor who told me this once but he didn't offer advice and since I
wasn't
> having an issue at the time I didn't think to ask.
>
> --
> Victoria
>  ><>
>Hello Victoria,
  Sounds like it could be an IT-band issue but, it could be a number of
things. Here is a link that will give you some ideas of what you could
be experiencing.
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/otherhip/a/snappinghip.htm

Rolling would help with a tight IT-band as well as a yoga posture
called pigeon here is a quick video of the stretch/pose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVlX5HNKamw

Ice and heat application might be of help as well for your sore
area.Here is a quick application guide.
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069070/

Good luck,Jay

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, victoriapatt@... wrote:
>
> Okay I don't know what this is called, but thought maybe you all
might know
> of a stretch or strengthening exercise that might help.  The tendon
that is
> at the hip joint sometimes pops across the joint.  It can leave
soreness for
> a loooong time.....maybe it stays out of place, I'm not sure.  I had a
> doctor who told me this once but he didn't offer advice and since I
wasn't
> having an issue at the time I didn't think to ask.
>
> --
> Victoria
>  ><>
>
Here are som more stretches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RC7VH3bEB4

It's a little difficult to see, but here is Barefoot Mike crossing the finish line ...

And here also here ....

And here is BFM and Jeremy his college bud (I ran with Jeremy for the first half)

My watch showed 3:47:42 for my finishing time. Mike came in a few minutes after me and Ken Bob was sometime after that.

Mike - Here are links to the original, higher resolution pics if you'd like them.

http://barefootrunner.org/reports/09surfcity/GEDC0722.JPG
http://barefootrunner.org/reports/09surfcity/GEDC0723.JPG
http://barefootrunner.org/reports/09surfcity/GEDC0724.JPG