Been there with the PF! Barefoot fixed it for me but it took time and aptience!
Andy :)

--- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "mz5771" <zuckerbraun@...> wrote:
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> yes, i used to get heel pf in running shoes, not as a runner, but as a casual
commuter ruining to the train/bus. when i started bfr, the pf got worse, and
yes, understand the feeling in the morning very well. amazingly, it just
started to go away, and now it's about gone. sandler wrote something about the
weakness of the intrinsic muscles was compensated for with pf. once the foot
starts to get stronger, the pf doesn't have to be overused anymore. it took
over a year, but it actually happened, even though for a long time i felt that i
just wouldn't be able to ever run again. this whole journey has taught me a
lot...that i wouldn't have learned if i just bagged it early on.
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> --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, "Gordon" <gajslk@> wrote:
> >
> > Stay after it, Billy. I started when I was 48. I had plantar fasciitis so
bad that I kept shoes with orthotics in them next to the bed for when I had to
pee in the middle of the night. This morning I ran for 90 minutes on a hilly
trail through the Mojave Desert. The skin is fine, but my feet are really tired
right now. It may not be success in that I can't go run all day, but it sure
beats not being able to run at all, which is where I was four years ago.
> >
> > Gordon
> >
> > --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Billy Moore <billym36@> wrote:
> > >
> > > " although we already know that we are designed for this, so we don't need
> > > more data points in this regard"
> > >
> > > Not sure I agree. When I was having troubles, and getting discouraged, I
> > > couldn't find data points relevant to my situation (a tenderfoot starting
> > > out at age 50). All the success stories involved those younger than me,
or
> > > those who have been going this for many years, etc. Yes, we know that we
> > > are designed for this, but we were also designed to be BF from birth, a
> > > condition not met by many. So for most people, their current capabilities
> > > are far less than they were designed for. I didn't know if my feet/body
> > > were too far gone to recover or not. I still don't know for certain. My
> > > distances are still very short, but I'm not having problems now at the
same
> > > distances that were causing me problems before.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM, mz5771 <zuckerbraun@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the update. yes, it is interesting and valuable
> > > > information...as we move from one case to a million, the data becomes
less
> > > > anecdotal. although we already know that we are designed for this, so we
> > > > don't need more data points in this regard, the issue of reconnecting
after
> > > > decades of disconnection is instructive. of course, for bkb, he has seen
> > > > these cases over and over. but for the less experienced, such as myself,
> > > > this is valuable information that colors our perception of the path that
we
> > > > are on, and also helps us help others.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Billy Moore <billym36@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > An update. I know you've all been breathlessly awaiting an update.
> > > > >
> > > > > My sole toughness seems to be staying ahead of my endurance. I have
not
> > > > > been able to run as much as I'd like (about once per week), but my
soles
> > > > > now seem capable of handling more running than my lungs can, and I run
> > > > 100%
> > > > > on asphalt now. The soreness at the end of a run now would be
categorized
> > > > > as barely noticeable. Progress on my endurance is slow, but not
> > > > surprising
> > > > > given how little I've been able to run. I'm just glad that I'm not
> > > > > battling soreness in my soles during & after each run.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the value in this little piece of data is, even starting at
age
> > > > 50
> > > > > as a quintessential tenderfoot, your soles can become tough enough for
BF
> > > > > running on asphalt. It just takes patience. Given how long it takes me
to
> > > > > recover from any sort of injury these days, I wasn't completely sure
of
> > > > > this a couple of months ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:30 PM, barefootkenbob
> > > > > <kenbob@>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your tender soles should be your barometer, letting you know when
you
> > > > are
> > > > > > doing too much too soon. That's one of the reasons they are so
> > > > sensitive -
> > > > > > to discourage us from hurting ourselves by running senselessly
> > > > (literally).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have fun,
> > > > > > -barefoot ken bob
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Billy Moore <billym36@>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Doughy" is what I'm talking about. I couldn't remember the
technical
> > > > > > > term. My feet are past this stage, but things still stick to them
at
> > > > > > > times. My runs generally DO leave me feeling better, but my soles
> > > > still
> > > > > > > seem a bit too tender. Often, during the run, I'm not enjoying it
> > > > that
> > > > > > > much due to my tender soles. I was wondering how long it takes to
get
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > > tough enough. I'm already 50. I don't have a whole lifetime in
front
> > > > of
> > > > > > > me for this to happen.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 8:34 PM, barefootkenbob
> > > > > > > <kenbob@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Doughy" soles is probably what you're referring too. Something
> > > > > > Barefoot
> > > > > > > > Larry has talked about in past years.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But, this isn't only an annoyance for beginners. The softness of
my
> > > > > > soles
> > > > > > > > varies depending on weather, humidity, maybe even what I ate for
> > > > > > dinner the
> > > > > > > > night before... Yesterday morning I had a broken sea shell stick
on
> > > > > > one toe
> > > > > > > > (not "in" the toe, just a suction cup sort of effect).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Don't be afraid to stop and remove debris when it's bothering
you.
> > > > And
> > > > > > > > secondly, soreness after a run may be an indication that you're
> > > > running
> > > > > > > > farther or faster sooner than your body/feet are ready for.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This would be fine, about 1 tenth of the time. Most of your
> > > > runs/walks
> > > > > > > > should leave you feeling better and more refreshed than when you
> > > > began
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > run/walk.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Remember that you are beginning an activity that your body and
feet
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > been practicing before.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Listen to your body and soles, and respond appropriately, to
avoid
> > > > > > causing
> > > > > > > > yourself pain.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Have fun,
> > > > > > > > -barefoot ken bob
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In RunningBarefoot@yahoogroups.com, Billy Moore <billym36@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well, I DO land gently. Otherwise, my back would protest to
the
> > > > > > point of
> > > > > > > > > making running impossible. But my feet still pick up debris
and
> > > > get
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > soreness after a run. They're much better than they were. I no
> > > > longer
> > > > > > > > > blister, but I suspect that I would if I were attempting
longer
> > > > > > > > distances.
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