--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "philar_72" <philar_72@...> wrote:
>
> In my opinion, the back of any portion of a skaters body, shoulder, or arm,
should not be a legal hitting zone.  The side of the shoulder or arm should be
considered a legal hitting zone.  If this is in the rules, that the back of the
shoulder or arm is a legal hitting zone, then there is a legal back block, which
by rule in my opinion should not exist.
>

You'll find the diagram on the legal target zones on page 13 of the current rule
set. The "outside the bra straps" (as Hambone calls it) is not new. This has
always been a legal target zone.

We'll have to agree to disagree about whether this should or should not be a
legal target zone. Me personally, I have a rotator cuff injury. I can take
really hard hits, but if you catch the back of my left shoulder legally, in just
the right (wrong?) spot, you can crumple me to my knees in pain. Its just part
of the game. I applaud an opponent who pulls it off.

There's also a tiny portion of the side and hips which can force forward
movement in a legal block.

But, basically, a hit landed in the armpit from behind is legal and can legally
move an opponent forward - which is a move that can instigate a cut track
penalty on your opponent.

> In another note, if illegal contact does force an opposing skater out of
bounds, considering the disadvantage that that skater is put into, a major may
be called for the illegal block that forces the opposing blocker either insider
out outside of the track.  That's because the impact becomes major when the
opposing skater is put in that situation.
>

Absolutely. Illegal contact which forces a penalty on an opponent or in any
other way has a major impact on the game should at least be a major. Gross
illegal contact should earn a skater ejection.

> It is bad enough that a skater at the front of the pack may be blocked from
the side, without being passed, and knocked out of bounds, and even though they
were ahead of the blocker when blocked, if they come back in bounds in front of
the blocker, they have committed a cut the track major.  In essence, they have
cut from the front of the pack to the front of the pack at least by using the
hips in front of hips rules.  But of course there is an inconsistency in the
rules for blockers and blocking compared to jammers passing opposing skaters.
>

No inconsistency between blockers and jammers at all. Blockers who "cut" the
front most skater in a pack or more than two blockers also commit a major
penalty. Cutting one blocker is a minor - jammers and blockers alike.

It would be easier as a sports enthusiast to grasp this move not from the
perspective of disadvantage to the receiving player, but as a strategic move by
the initiating skater. Often times the job of us blockers is to herd skaters
from the front into the pack - be they jammers or blockers. This is a move which
can change our status - and it is NOT easy. It takes practice and skill to force
a cut track and not leave the boundary of the track, go out of play, or fall on
a knee.

It takes a lot of game and pack awareness to not cut - but also to know the most
effective time and location to return to the pack. I've watched poor-game-sense
jammers get taken out by a blocker out of play to the front of the pack (a major
on the blocker - but referees can be slow to call) and then come in behind the
entire pack. They don't have to do that. In order to maintain one's "ahead of"
status through forcing a cut track, one must stay skating and in play. All it
takes is a smart opposing blocker to block me out of bounds or to touch a knee
and presto magico, the person I forced out doesn't need to come in behind me any
more.

Slightly complicated? Not really. Remember, this is part of the finesse that
makes this a real sport and not just a measure of combined brute and speed. Real
athletes must THINK!

> This is of course is not the only inconsistency in the rules.   As I saw last
night in a super jam, the initial passes were counted as points.  This is the
only time an initial pass should be counted as points in a bout.  But
considering how some refs seem to have trouble not counting initial passes as
points occasionally, I think it would be better to have the rules as consistant
as possible so that people could say an initial pass never counts for points.
>

Initial passes should NOT be counted as points EXCEPT in overtime. Period. I
have no idea what a "super jam" is.

I too have seen referees mistakenly count initial passes during regular game
play. Its wrong, annoying, inconsistent, and a travesty to the sport. There are
a number of checks in our system. First, the scorekeeper NSO should know this is
not possible. If they are using the WFTDA scorekeeping sheet, they'd know to
tell their jammer referee that there is no score in the initial pass because the
scorekeeper would know it was still initial pass. Benches should have their own
stats tracker watching BOTH scores. If you don't oppose scores immediately
following the jam, you own the mistake. Not only does that include not accepting
first pass scores from your opponent, that means making sure your jammer referee
picked up the ghost points from your opponents either in the box or not in play
at the end of the jam (both at the ending whistle as well as when your jammer
reached the back of the pack).

Finally, the head referee should be on top of things and checking in with
referees and scorekeepers as well as all the officials. Captains and Alternates
should be communicating with the Head Referee when things are going wrong as
soon as they know.

The only consolation for a referee who counts initial passes is that jammer
referees are switched at the period change.

The "some referees" who are counting initial pass other than the extremely rare
overtime situation, should be evaluated as such and should get more training
before being given the job of jammer referee again.

Your honorary bench coach ;)
Bitches Bruze
#802 Western Mass Destruction (PVRD)

In a bout with huge momentum swings, the Slaughterers utilized a late scoring
run to pick up their third consecutive Dallas Derby Devils championship as they
beat the High Seas Hotties 64-57.  In the Consolation bout, the Death Row
Rumblers pulled out an exciting victory in overtime to beat the Suicide Shifters
81-77 Saturday in North Richland Hills, Texas.

The Slaughterers opened up the championship bout impressively shutting out the
Hotties in the first three jams.  The Shocker and Herassiz Mine would score five
point jams, and Miley Virus would add a four point jam in the second jam of the
evening.  The defending champs took a 14-0 lead after their jammers took three
straight lead jammer statuses.

But the Hotties would counter with lead jammer status twice with Hot 4 Teacher
scoring a 3-0 jam and Strawberry Deathcake adding a 5-0 jam in the fifth jam
making the score 14-8.  Miley Virus took an 8-4 jam in the sixth jam for the
Slaughterers and the lead was 24-8.

The Hotties got into jammer penalty trouble in the last two jams of the half. 
Miley Virus took an 8-0 jam for the Slaughterers.  While Hot 4 Teacher gained
lead jammer status for the final jam of the half, she was sent to the penalty
box late in the jam after scoring a pack pass, and The Shocker scored four
points as the Slaughterers took a 38-20 lead at halftime.

Fouls were troubling both teams as penalties forced the first jam of the final
period to start with the minimum number of skaters on the track.  The
Slaughterers had two blockers in the penalty box, but the High Seas Hotties had
two blockers and a jammer in the sin bin.  The Slaughterers picked up a 4-0
advantage in the first jam, but the Hotties picked up a moral victory in
limiting Herassiz Is Mine to four points. The defending champions lead increased
to 42-20, but it would be quite a while before the Slaughterers would score
again in the second half.

Strawberry Deathcake scored a 3-0 jam in the second jam which was followed up by
a big 8-0 jam by Hot 4 Teacher.  Suddenly the team in red was within 11 points. 
Strawberry Deathcake would pull off the biggest jam of the bout with a 15-0
score, a three-pack-pass jamming romp as the Hotties blockers would slow down a
depleted Slaughterer blocking pack.  Suddenly, the Hotties had a 46-42 lead when
they had not even sniffed an advantage on the scoreboard since before the bout
began.

With continuing problems for the Slaughterers jammers in the penalty box,
powerful pivot Rink Panther would score a 6-0 jam for the team in red, and
followed it up with a 5-0 jam after coming out of the penalty box in the sixth
jam to extend the Hotties lead to 57-42.

Then momentum, would rear its seemingly capricious head for the Hotties and
their fans in attendance at NYTex Sports Centre.  The Slaughterers' Hard Drive
caught opposing jammer Hot 4 Teacher on the outside of the track with a hard
block, and drove her through the ten foot safety lane outside of the track
boundary, and into the announcers table in turn two.  Play was halted as medical
personnel tended to the all star jammer for the Hotties.  While Hot 4 Teacher
headed back to the Hotties bench without a serious injury, she was out of the
next three jams by rule, and did not have an opportunity to return to the bout
with very limited time left on the clock.

Herassiz Is Mine would take advantage of a penalty to the Hotties jammer when
that jammer was sent to the penalty box, and scored a huge 9-0 jam for the
Slaughterers narrowing the margin to 57-51 in favor of the team in red.  A
debate with the officials was raised by the Hotties as they felt Herassiz is
Mine had a fourth minor called on her while jamming.

However, Miley Virus would start the final jam of the bout on the jammer line
for the Slaughterers with the Hotties' jammer still being timed in the penalty
box.  After Miley Virus scored a pack pass, another penalty was called on the
Hotties jammer who had come out of the penalty box, and it was just a matter of
time until the speed skating jammer for the Slaughterers would take the scoring
lead.

The High Seas Hotties claimed a minor fourth foul was actually called for back
blocking that should have sent Miley Virus to the penalty box and brought the
Hotties jammer out of the box.  But if the refs don't call a penalty, or send a
skater off the track, then a fourth minor foul didn't officially happen, and
Miley Virus added eight more points before the final clock ran out.

The Slaughterers started their night of long celebration with a 64-57 final
victory.  The Slaughterers had good reason to celebrate their third consecutive
championship, since they were considered underdogs by many of the Dallas Derby
Devils' fans before the bout.

The top scorers for the Slaughterers were Miley Virus with 33 points, Herassiz
Mine with 22 points and The Shocker with nine points.  The leading blockers for
the "threepeating" champions were Hard Drive, Roll'er Over, Keltic Kamikaze and
The Pusher.

The leading scorers for the High Seas Hotties were Strawberry Deathcake with 27
points, Hot 4 Teacher with 19 points and Rink Panther with 11 points.  Top
blockers for Hotties were Juicy J, Lickity Splittail, Barooski, and Mona
Bruiser.

The consolation bout started off very evenly with all star jammers Postal Penny
of the Death Row Rumblers and Anita Riot of the Suicide Shifters each scoring
four points.  Heike De Skirts scored a 9-0 jam in the second jam to give the
Rumblers a 13-4 lead after two jams.  Postal Penny would take advantage of a
Shifter jammer penalty in the sixth jam scoring a 12-3 advantage, and giving the
team in orange and black a 29-11 lead.

Jamie Lee Hurtus jammed for the Shifters to start the eighth jam of the first
half, but handed the jammer helmet cover to pivot Anita Riot who proceeded to
put a 9-1 scoring jam on the board and narrow the Rumblers lead to 35-23. 
Postal Penny scored a 5-4 jam over Sweet Baby Jane in the ninth jam of the half,
and with a scoreless final jam of the half, the Death Row Rumblers had a 40-27
lead at halftime.

The first jam of the second half would be huge for the Suicide Shifters as Anita
Riot scored a 21-0 jam with the Rumblers having a jammer in the penalty box.  A
stunned crowd had seen a 13 point lead for the Rumblers become a 48-40 lead for
the Suicide Shifters.

The team in orange and black began chipping away.  A 5-0 jam by Postal Penny in
the fifth jam narrowed the Shifter lead to 51-47.  A 9-5 jam by Postal Penny
lessened the game margin to 68-66 in favor of the Suicide Shifters. A big final
jam by Heike De Skirts appeared to give a 5-2 jamming advantage for the
Rumblers.  She made a pack pass, and the opposing jammer was in the penalty box,
but the officials only gave her four points so the bout was tied 70-70 after
time had expired.

As the game began, all star jammers Postal Penny and Anita Riot were matched up
against each other for the overtime super jam.  The Rumblers jammer Postal Penny
would break out of the pack first scoring four points on the initial pass, with
Anita Riot not too far behind her.  But as Postal Penny was working on her third
pack pass, and the Shifters jammer was working on her second pack pass, the
Death Row Rumblers blockers came up big.  Suture Sally and Professor Kaos put a
double team block on Anita Riot, and the Shifter jammer went down in the middle
of the track.  She could not get up and the jam was called off because of
injury.  Postal Penny scored an official 11 points and Anita Riot scored an
official seven points, and the Death Row Rumblers picked an amazing 81-77
overtime victory.

The top scorer for the Death Row Rumblers was Postal Penny with 51 points. 
Heike De Skirt added 22 points, and captain Debbie Downer scored seven points. 
Leading blockers for the third place team was Professor Kaos, Suture Sally, Desi
Deckem, and Nikki Please.

The leading scorer in the bout and the night was Anita Riot with 53 points. 
Jamie Lee Hurtus added 13 points, and Sweet Baby Jane chipped in with 11 points
for the Suicide Shifters.  Top blockers for the team in green were Selma Bodie,
V-Twin Vixen, Helena De Stroy, and Nitro Jen.

Phil Arnold,
Roller Derby Is Sport

In my opinion, the back of any portion of a skaters body, shoulder, or arm,
should not be a legal hitting zone.  The side of the shoulder or arm should be
considered a legal hitting zone.  If this is in the rules, that the back of the
shoulder or arm is a legal hitting zone, then there is a legal back block, which
by rule in my opinion should not exist.

In another note, if illegal contact does force an opposing skater out of bounds,
considering the disadvantage that that skater is put into, a major may be called
for the illegal block that forces the opposing blocker either insider out
outside of the track.  That's because the impact becomes major when the opposing
skater is put in that situation.

It is bad enough that a skater at the front of the pack may be blocked from the
side, without being passed, and knocked out of bounds, and even though they were
ahead of the blocker when blocked, if they come back in bounds in front of the
blocker, they have committed a cut the track major.  In essence, they have cut
from the front of the pack to the front of the pack at least by using the hips
in front of hips rules.  But of course there is an inconsistency in the rules
for blockers and blocking compared to jammers passing opposing skaters.

This is of course is not the only inconsistency in the rules.   As I saw last
night in a super jam, the initial passes were counted as points.  This is the
only time an initial pass should be counted as points in a bout.  But
considering how some refs seem to have trouble not counting initial passes as
points occasionally, I think it would be better to have the rules as consistant
as possible so that people could say an initial pass never counts for points.

Phil


--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "bitchesbruze" <bbruze@...> wrote:
>
> --- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "philar_72" <philar_72@> wrote:
>
> As a note, the back of the arm/shoulder is a legal blocking target. Forcing
cut tracks on jammers or blockers does not require an illegal contact.
>
> As a blocker blocking an opponent into a potential cut track situation, I
absolutely adore this move. The front of my upper arm makes contact right in the
armpit area - where it doesn't slide off - and blocks them out (either inside or
outside the track works) and forward while keeping me in and slowing down.
>
> It doesn't matter if my hips have been passed by this opponent or not. So long
as I stay in-bounds and skating, I have elevated my status to "not passed" or in
front of the opponent I knocked out of bounds. By the nature of my slowing, I am
making that much more difficult (time consuming) for my opponent to not cut me.
>
> It does take a skilled skater to re-enter legally. With the latest rules
revisions, she has a number of choices - skate clockwise out of bounds, take a
single knee in a controlled fall, straddle the line and keep a single skate out
of bounds - to control and then re-enter legally.
>
> I find as a skater, fan, and announcer, this adds a lot of excitement to the
game. Newer skaters lap all the way to the back of the pack. More experienced
skaters, with strong pack awareness, know who they need to get behind and don't
waste time by getting back in behind only those they need to. Whole packs slow
and work together in advanced teams. It definitely adds an element of sport and
logic, not just pure speed and brute, to the game.
>
> Bitches Bruze
> #802 Western Mass Destruction (PVRD)
>

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "philar_72" <philar_72@...> wrote:

>
> What I have seen since the institution of the new rules in games is that
suddenly the jammers are having to deal with back blocking issues again.  A lot
of jammers will accumate back blocking (ok, the official penalty is probably
blocking from behind) minors.  What is stunning is watching jammers barrel into
blockers from behind and if they knock them down, or knock them to the inside of
the track, or cause a situation that would gain a substantial advantage, the
jammer is probably headed off the track with a major.

As a note, the back of the arm/shoulder is a legal blocking target. Forcing cut
tracks on jammers or blockers does not require an illegal contact.

As a blocker blocking an opponent into a potential cut track situation, I
absolutely adore this move. The front of my upper arm makes contact right in the
armpit area - where it doesn't slide off - and blocks them out (either inside or
outside the track works) and forward while keeping me in and slowing down.

It doesn't matter if my hips have been passed by this opponent or not. So long
as I stay in-bounds and skating, I have elevated my status to "not passed" or in
front of the opponent I knocked out of bounds. By the nature of my slowing, I am
making that much more difficult (time consuming) for my opponent to not cut me.

It does take a skilled skater to re-enter legally. With the latest rules
revisions, she has a number of choices - skate clockwise out of bounds, take a
single knee in a controlled fall, straddle the line and keep a single skate out
of bounds - to control and then re-enter legally.

I find as a skater, fan, and announcer, this adds a lot of excitement to the
game. Newer skaters lap all the way to the back of the pack. More experienced
skaters, with strong pack awareness, know who they need to get behind and don't
waste time by getting back in behind only those they need to. Whole packs slow
and work together in advanced teams. It definitely adds an element of sport and
logic, not just pure speed and brute, to the game.

Bitches Bruze
#802 Western Mass Destruction (PVRD)

The Slaughterers defeated the High Seas Hotties 64-57 winning on the last jam of
the bout for their third consecutive championship.

In the Consolation bout the Death Row Rumblers deafeated Suicide Shifters 81-77
in overtime (the crazy Superjam the WFTDA came up with a couple of years ago).

My reports in Houston indicate that Houston Roller Derby defeated the Minnesota
Rollergirls 103-76 in Shenandoah (just north of the Woodlands), Texas.  Thanks
to Mama Morphine and DBC for this reported score.

Phil back in Austin

I responded to this earlier Saturday.  Good point!  If you think about it about
as many bouts (throw in double headers) will be run nationwide this weekend as
there will be major league baseball games.   30 games at about 1.5 bouts per
event equals 45 bouts.  That is equal to 15 major league games times Friday,
Saturday, and Sunday games.  That's 45 for both sports.

Phil
--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "hambone_the_ref" <hambone@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Give the sport more credit than that -- you can only have 15 MLB games on any
given day.  Those 30 teams gotta play each other!
>
> - hambone, gotham
>
>
>

Supa here, one of the announcers who handled this game (TARG vs ICT).  It was a
very exciting bout, and in myopinion what derby is all about!!  It was a back
and forth game the whole night.   The last jam(going into) of the night had TARG
ahead by six points.  Pooter Smacker of ICT was on theline against Switchblade
from TARG.   Pooter got lead and scored five points calling off the jam.  TARG's
jammer ended in the box without scoring.   Pooter mistakingly called the jam
after her mental math had given ICT the game(which was not the case however).  
TARG then beat ICT for the 1st time with final score of 114-113.   As an
announcer, it was a blast calling this game, especiallywith Moose Ondaluce!










--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, Dick Pounder <dick.pounder@...>
wrote:
>
> I am ghoing to try my habd at a recap of the Ink cup which actually turned
> out to be more of a showcase for the sport than a tournament but still good.
>
>
> Just need to find the time and get the official scores for each of the
> bouts. Stay tuned.
>
> Derby Saved My Wife
>
> Dick Pounder
> Head Announcer/Events Staff
> CRDA
> www.calgaryrollerderby.com
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:15 AM, philar_72 <philar_72@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I don't have the score, or information on what happened late in the bout,
> > but I understand that the Tornado Alley Rollergirls beat the ICT Roller
> > Girls of Wichita, Kansas by one point in Kansas. I would love to hear more
> > about this bout, and other bouts for that matter.
> >
> > I know I would love to hear from Western Canada about their tournament that
> > ran last Saturday. But anyone is welcome to give us information on their
> > bouts from a score perspective, even without a recap. Please feel free to
> > post that information.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>

Give the sport more credit than that -- you can only have 15 MLB games on any
given day.  Those 30 teams gotta play each other!

- hambone, gotham


--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "philar_72" <philar_72@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the information!  That puts the number of bouts up to
> around 30, which in modern roller derby terms may not be the busiest
> weekends around, but remember that the most games there can be on
> any
> given weekday for Majior League baseball is 30.
>
> Phil
> --- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "tspannatoffice" <bunkertor@>
wrote:
> >
> > Also this Saturday
> >
> > South Jersey Roller Derby Vs. Richmond Derby Demons - Co-Ed OSDA
> > Game - August 29, 2009 - Deptford Skating, Westville, NJ @ 5pm.
> >
>

Yep!  She is amazing and I am still trying to figure out a way to get her to
unretire.  I know she needs a rest, but I couldn't believe my eyes from two
weeks ago with her splitting front wall after front wall.  Many jammers try to
force blockers out beyond 20 feet, but I think she had gotten by every wall she
needed to go up against by 10 or 15 feet at the most.  However, after ten
straight lead jammers status in a row, even super heroes get tired and have to
go to the penalty box.

Phil

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca Goins <rebelann1974@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Death By Chocolate is my derby hero!!!!
>
>
>
>
>

With the new rules 4.0 WFTDA, jammers should be able to avoid cutting the track
if they understand the rules, and are mentally prepared to get off their skates
on the inside of the track and headed towards the boundary line and re-entering
the track, and can skate clockwise if knocked out of bounds on the outside of
the track to get behind trapping blockers.

What I have seen since the institution of the new rules in games is that
suddenly the jammers are having to deal with back blocking issues again.  A lot
of jammers will accumate back blocking (ok, the official penalty is probably
blocking from behind) minors.  What is stunning is watching jammers barrel into
blockers from behind and if they knock them down, or knock them to the inside of
the track, or cause a situation that would gain a substantial advantage, the
jammer is probably headed off the track with a major.

So how important is it that jammers stay out of the penalty box?  Well, at WFTDA
nationals last year the team that went to the box the most lost their bouts in
that tournament.  If I use the example of the Texas Rollergirls, they were
actually beating Gotham late in the bout, until they suffered a couple of major
penalties to their jammers.  Gotham was able to take advantage of those jammers
in the box and score a significant number of points during those opportunities,
and come from behind to win the bout.

So how do you stay out of the box if you're a jammer?  Unless you are a derby
superhero who can split blocking walls at a single bound, you might want to wait
for some help from a blocking teammate.  Or if help doesn't arrive, you might
want to move side to side, and see if the skaters in front of you can hold their
wall while trying to find you at the same time.  And if that split in the wall
occurs, then hit the space if it is there.  But a lot of very good jammers will
not get themselves into trouble, and will not force action if stymied by a two
or three person blocking wall.

So a jammer has to walk a very fine line of agression.  They need to know when
not to force action that might get them into foul trouble.  And yet they also
need to know when to take advantage of openings. Good blocking teammates can be
a huge help to jammers, as most jammers will tell you.

Phil

Thank you for the information!  That puts the number of bouts up to around 30,
which in modern roller derby terms may not be the busiest weekends around, but
remember that the most games there can be on any given weekday for Majior League
baseball is 30.

Phil
--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "tspannatoffice" <bunkertor@...>
wrote:
>
> Also this Saturday
>
> South Jersey Roller Derby Vs. Richmond Derby Demons - Co-Ed OSDA Game - August
29, 2009 - Deptford Skating, Westville, NJ @ 5pm.
>

Also this Saturday

South Jersey Roller Derby Vs. Richmond Derby Demons - Co-Ed OSDA Game - August
29, 2009 - Deptford Skating, Westville, NJ @ 5pm.

This appears to be a fairly busy weekend in roller derby.

On Friday, the Providence Roller Derby presents their third bout of the season. 
The Sakonnet River Rats will skate against the Old Money Honeys.  This event
will take place at the Bank of America Skate Center, Two Kennedy Plaza in
Providence, Rhode Island.  Doors open at 7 p.m. with the bout scheduled to roll
at 8 o'clock.  Advanced general admission tickets are $10 with VIP tickets
costing $30.  General admission tickets are $12 at the bout. 
http://www.providencerollerderby.com/

The Maine Roller Derby will present their fall season opening event Saturday. 
The MRD Port Authorities will skate against the DC Rollergirls all stars. This
WFTDA sanctioned bout will take place at Portland Expo, 239 Park Ave in
Portland, Maine.  Doors open at 5 p.m. with the bout starting at 6 o'clock. 
Tickets are $10 in advance.  http://www.mainerollerderby.com/

On Saturday, the New Hampshire Roller Derby will present a derby event.  NHRD's
Skate Free or Die will skate against the Garden Skate Rollergirls.  This bout
will take place at JFK Coliseum, 303 Beech Street in Manchester, New Hampshire. 
Doors open at 5 p.m. with the action scheduled to roll at 6 o'clock. Tickets are
$8 in advance and $10 at the door.  http://www.nhrollerderby.com/

Also on Saturday, the Suburbia Roller Derby will host their first ever WFTDA
sanctioned bout.  They will skate against the Long Island Roller Rebels. This
bout will take place at the E.J. Murray Memorial Skating Center, 348 Tuckahoe
Road in Yonkers, New York. Doors open at 6 p.m. with first whistle at 7 o'clock.
Tickets are $12 for general admission, $15 for VIP Silver, and $25 for VIP gold
tickets.  http://www.suburbiarollerderby.com/

The Roc City Roller Derby will host an interleague bout on Saturday.  Roc City
will skate against the Tri City Thunder from Kitchener, Ontario.  This bout will
take place at the Dome Arena in Rochester, New York.  Doors open at 6 p.m. with
the bout time is listed at 7 o`clock.  Tickets are $10 in advance and $12 at the
door for general admission.  Front row seats are $15 in advance and $17 at the
door.  http://www.rocderby.com/

Saturday, the Dominion Derby Girls will host the Dutchland Rollers from
Lancaster, Pennsylvania.  This WFTDA sanctioned bout will take place at the
Haygood Skating Center, 1036 Ferry Plantation Road in Virginia Beach, Virginia. 
Doors are scheduled to open at 8 p.m. with action starting at 8:30.  Tickets are
$10 in advance and $12 at the door.  http://www.dominionderbygirls.net/

The Columbia Roller Derby Quad Squad will host their Detention Ditchers Bout on
Saturday.  Action will take place at Jamil Temple, 206 Jamil Rd. in Columbia,
South Carolina.  The bout is scheduled to start at 6 p.m.  Tickets are $10 in
advance and $12 at the door, with the first 100 college students getting $5
tickets with their college I.D.  http://www.columbiaquadsquad.com/

Saturday, the Low Country High Rollers will skate against the Greenville Roller
Derby Dames.  This bout will take place at McAlister Fieldhouse on the campus of
the Citadel, 171 Moultrie Street in Charleston, South Carolina.  Doors are
scheduled to open at 5 p.m. with action starting at 7 o'clock.  Tickets are
listed at $10 in advance.  Tickets prices will receive a $2 discount with a
donation of school supplies, or students and educators presenting their student
I.D.'s at advanced ticket outlets.  http://www.lowcountryhighrollers.com/

The Jacksonville Rollergirls will host a double header on Saturday.  The Duval
Derby Dames will take on the River City Rat Pack, and the New Jax City Rollers
will skate against the Molly Rogers Roller Girls.  This double header will take
place at the Jax Ice and Sports Plex, 3605 Phillips Hwy in Jacksonville,
Florida.  Doors open at 5:30 p.m. with action scheduled to start at 6 o'clock. 
Tickets are $10 in advance and $12 at the door. 
http://www.jacksonvillerollergirls.com/

On Saturday, the Dixie Derby Girls will host a double header.  The DDG All Stars
will play Team Florida, while the DDG Raging Rockets will skate against the
Chattanooga Roller Girls.   This double header will take place at the Von Braun
Center, South Hall in Huntsville, Alabama.  Doors open at 6 p.m. with the first
whistle scheduled for 7 o'clock.  Tickets are $10 in advance and $12 at the
door.  http://www.dixiederbygirls.com/

The Southern Misfits Roller Girls will present Back to School Brawl on Saturday.
They will skate against the Capital City Roller Girls of Jackson, Mississippi. 
This bout will take place at the Petal Roller Dome, 100 Cameron Street in Petal,
Mississippi.  The bout is scheduled to start at 7 p.m. with tickets costing $10.
http://www.southernmisfits.com/

Saturday, the Northeast Ohio NEO Rock'n Roller Girls will host the Ohio Roller
Girls Gang Green in Bustapalooza.   This bout will be held at the Summit County
Fair Grounds, 1100 North Avenue in Talmadge, Ohio.  Doors open at 6 p.m. with
the bout scheduled to roll at 7 o'clock.  Tickets are $10 in advance and $13 at
the door.  Charitable proceeds will benefit the fight against breast cancer.
http://neorocknrollergirls.com/

The Killamazoo Derby Darlins will present their last scheduled home bout of the
season this Saturday.  They will host the Naptown Roller Girls of Indianapolis,
Indiana at Wings Stadium, 3600 Vanrick Drive in Kalamazoo, Michigan.  Doors are
scheduled to open at 6 p.m. with action starting at 7 o'clock.  Tickets are $12
in advance and $17 at the door.  http://www.killamazooderbydarlins.com/

Saturday, the Windy City Rollers All Stars will be in action against one of the
top ranked teams in the nation as they host the Charm City All Stars in a WFTDA
sanctioned bout.  This event will take place at the UIC Pavilion, 525 S Racine
in Chicago, Illinois.  Doors open at 6 p.m. with the bout slated to roll at 7
o'clock.  Tickets are $20 for general admission and $40 for VIP tickets.  
http://www.windycityrollers.com/

The Brew City Bruisers All Stars will host the Grand Raggidy Rollergirls on
Saturday.  The WFTDA sanctioned bout will be held at the Milwaukee County Sports
Complex, 6000 W Ryan Road in Franklin, Wisconsin.  Doors for this bout open at 6
p.m. with action starting at 7 o'clock. Tickets are $10 in advance and $12 at
the door.  http://www.brewcitybruisers.com/

On Saturday, the Cedar Rapids Rollergirls will host Death  Proof Derby.  The
home team will be skating against the La Crosse Skating Sirens.  This bout will
take place at the U.S. Cellular Center, 370 1st Avenue NE in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Doors open at 6 p.m. with first whistle scheduled for 7 o'clock.  Tickets are
$13 in advance and $16 on the day of the bout. 
http://www.myspace.com/crrollergirls

St. Louis' Arch Rival Roller Girls present their championship bout on Saturday. 
The M-80s will skate against the Stunt Devils.  Also there will be a men's derby
expo bout.  This event will take place at the All America Sports Small, 11133
Lindbergh Business Court at Hwy 55 in south St. Louis County.  Doors open at
6:30 p.m. with the bout starting at 7 o'clock.  Tickets are listed at $10. 
http://www.archrivalrollergirls.com/

This Saturday, the Houston Roller Derby will host a WFTDA sanctioned bout.  The
Houston HaRD Knocks will skate against the Minnesota Rollergirls all stars. 
Action will take place at 3Star Ice, 17951 I-45 South in Shenandoah, Texas (just
north of the Woodlands).  Doors open at 6:30 p.m. with first whistle scheduled
for 7 o'clock.  Tickets are $10 in advance and $12 at the door. 
http://www.houstonrollerderby.com/

The Dallas Derby Devils will present An Offer You Can't Refuse on Saturday. 
This championship event will see the undefeated High Seas Hotties skating
against the defending champion Slaughterers.  In the first bout of the evening,
the Death Row Rumblers will take on the Suicide Shifters to see who will earn
the third place trophy.  This event will take place at the NYTex Sports Center,
8851 Ice House Drive in North Richland Hills, Texas.  Doors open at 7 p.m. with
the bout scheduled to roll at 7:30.  Tickets are $12 in advance from skaters and
DDD ticket outlets, $13 online, and $15 at the door. 
http://www.derbydevils.com/

The Laramie Naughty Pines Derby Dames will skate against the Castle
Rock-n-Rollers while the nationally ranked Rocky Mountain Roller Girls will
present an exhibition bout at the Laramie Ice and Event Center, 3510 Garfield
Street in Laramie on Saturday.  Doors are scheduled open at 4:30 p.m., and the
bout begins at 5:30 p.m.  Tickets are listed at $15 for this event. 
http://www.naughtypinesderbydames.org/

Saturday, the Junction City Roller Dolls will present a night of flat-track
roller derby action. The Dolls will be split into two teams, Cops versus
Robbers.  This event will take place at the Davis Conference Center, 1651 North
700 West in Layton, Utah.  Doors open at 6 p.m. with the bout starting at 7
o'clock.  Tickets are $10 in advance and $12 at the door. 
http://junctioncityrollerdolls.com/

Also on Saturday, the LA Derby Dolls will present a banked track bout.  The
Fight Crew will skate against the Varsity Brawlers. This bout will take place at
the Doll Factory, 1910 W Temple Street in Los Angeles, California.  Doors open
at 6 p.m. General admission tickets are listed at $17 with VIP tickets listed at
$40.    http://www.derbydolls/la

The Sonoma County Rollergirls present an interleague bout on Saturday.  The SCRG
Wine Country Homewreckers will skate against the Bay Area Derby Girls "All
Stars."  Action will take place at Cal Skate, 6100 Commerce Blvd. in Rohnert
Park, California.  Doors open at 7:30 p.m. with first whistle scheduled for
7:30.  Tickets are $10 for general admission and $20 for VIP in advance, and $15
for general admission and $25 for VIP at the door. 
http://www.sonomacountyrollerderby.org/

Saturday, the Rainy City Roller Dolls present Hot Summer Nights.  The Roller
Dolls will skate against the Trampires of the Dockyard Derby Dames.  This bout
will take place at Rollerdrome, 216 W Maple in Centralia, Washington.  Doors
open at 6 p.m. with the bout scheduled to start at 7 o'clock.  Tickets are $10
in advance and $12 at the door.  http://www.myspace.com/rainycityrollerdolls

On Sunday, the Coal City Rollers will host an interleague bout as they take on
the River City Rollergirls Poe's Punishers.  Action will take place at
Skateaway, 610 Blackman Street in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.  The bout is
scheduled to start at 7 o'clock.  Tickets are $8 in advance and $10 at the door.
http://www.myspace.com/coalcityrollers

The Charlotte Rollergirls will hold the semi-finals of its league playoffs on
Sunday.  The Cockpit Candies will skate against the Fraid Knots. The winner will
take on the Block'em Sock'em Rollers on September 12.  The bout will take place
at the Bo Jangles Coliseum, 2700 E Independence Blvd in Charlotte, North
Carolina.  Doors open at 5:15 p.m. with the action starting at 6 o'clock. 
Tickets are $10 in advance and $14 at the door. 
http://www.charlotterollergirls.com/

On Sunday, the Fort Myers Derby Girls present Hot Summer Fights. The home league
will skate against the Sintral Florida Derby Demons.  This bout will take place
at the Generations Skating Center, 2095 Andrea Lane in Fort Myers, Florida. 
Doors open around 6:30 p.m. with the bout scheduled to roll at 7 o'clock. 
Tickets are $8 in advance.  http://www.fortmyersderbygirls.com/

The Rock and Rollergirls of Lexington present the Dog Daze of Summer on Sunday. 
The Rollergirls of Central Kentucky will take on the Black and Blue Grass Roller
Girls.  This bout will take place at Champs Entertainment Center, 297 Ruccio Way
in Lexington, Kentucky.  Doors are scheduled to open at 7 p.m. with action
getting under way at 8 o'clock.  Tickets are listed at $7. 
http://www.wix.com/trustyh/ROCK-Site

Sunday, the South Side Roller Derby will present a league bout.  Action will
take place at the Pearwood Skate, 1230 E Broadway in Pearland, Texas.  Doors
open at 7 p.m.  Tickets are listed at $8.  http://southsiderollerderby.com/

If you have more information on a bout, or information on a bout I missed,
please do not hesitate to post the information.

Phil

Thanks T-Pain!  That means folks heading for Denver probably need to get their
tickets without delay.

Phil

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "laceyps2000" <laceyps2000@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "philar_72" <philar_72@> wrote:
> >
> > Because there will be ten teams at each regional, the size of the venue
might be important to roller derby fans.  For instance in the East, the
tournament will be held a the historic and beautiful Dorton Arena.  My
understanding is there are 5,400 permanent seats which means there should be
plenty of room for any fans that want to attend this tournament.
> >
> > In the North Central Area, the Roy will be the venue (Roy Wilkins
Auditorium) in downtown St. Paul.  My understanding is this venue holds around
4,500 people.  I have heard some say they expect at least 4,000 people per day,
so even if this is a large venue, fans might want to get their tickets soon.
> >
> > In Atlanta, the Yaarab Shrine on Ponce De Leon Ave in midtown Atlanta will
be the venue for the tournament.  I have heard that the capacity for this venue
is around 1,000 people, although I would be happy to hear a more official
estimate.  Either way, if you want to attend the South Central Regional
tournament in Atlanta, I would suggest you get your tickets as early as
possible.
> >
> > In Denver, I hear the Bladium Sports Club is the venue. I have no idea what
the capacity is here for this venue.  And if anyone knows what the seating
capacity is, that would be some good information to have.  Assuming that it is a
fairly small venue, say between 1,000-2,000 people, and considering that there
are two Denver area teams in this tournament, it might be good to get tickets
early because they could run out.
> >
> > Any comments or additional information is welcome.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> We went to the bladium for one of okvd's bouts and I think 1000 people would
be pushing it unless I was just to nervous to see all of the seating but it
didn't seem real large. T-Pain
>

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "philar_72" <philar_72@...> wrote:
>
> Because there will be ten teams at each regional, the size of the venue might
be important to roller derby fans.  For instance in the East, the tournament
will be held a the historic and beautiful Dorton Arena.  My understanding is
there are 5,400 permanent seats which means there should be plenty of room for
any fans that want to attend this tournament.
>
> In the North Central Area, the Roy will be the venue (Roy Wilkins Auditorium)
in downtown St. Paul.  My understanding is this venue holds around 4,500 people.
I have heard some say they expect at least 4,000 people per day, so even if this
is a large venue, fans might want to get their tickets soon.
>
> In Atlanta, the Yaarab Shrine on Ponce De Leon Ave in midtown Atlanta will be
the venue for the tournament.  I have heard that the capacity for this venue is
around 1,000 people, although I would be happy to hear a more official estimate.
Either way, if you want to attend the South Central Regional tournament in
Atlanta, I would suggest you get your tickets as early as possible.
>
> In Denver, I hear the Bladium Sports Club is the venue. I have no idea what
the capacity is here for this venue.  And if anyone knows what the seating
capacity is, that would be some good information to have.  Assuming that it is a
fairly small venue, say between 1,000-2,000 people, and considering that there
are two Denver area teams in this tournament, it might be good to get tickets
early because they could run out.
>
> Any comments or additional information is welcome.
>
> Phil
>
We went to the bladium for one of okvd's bouts and I think 1000 people would be
pushing it unless I was just to nervous to see all of the seating but it didn't
seem real large. T-Pain

Because there will be ten teams at each regional, the size of the venue might be
important to roller derby fans.  For instance in the East, the tournament will
be held a the historic and beautiful Dorton Arena.  My understanding is there
are 5,400 permanent seats which means there should be plenty of room for any
fans that want to attend this tournament.

In the North Central Area, the Roy will be the venue (Roy Wilkins Auditorium) in
downtown St. Paul.  My understanding is this venue holds around 4,500 people.  I
have heard some say they expect at least 4,000 people per day, so even if this
is a large venue, fans might want to get their tickets soon.

In Atlanta, the Yaarab Shrine on Ponce De Leon Ave in midtown Atlanta will be
the venue for the tournament.  I have heard that the capacity for this venue is
around 1,000 people, although I would be happy to hear a more official estimate.
Either way, if you want to attend the South Central Regional tournament in
Atlanta, I would suggest you get your tickets as early as possible.

In Denver, I hear the Bladium Sports Club is the venue. I have no idea what the
capacity is here for this venue.  And if anyone knows what the seating capacity
is, that would be some good information to have.  Assuming that it is a fairly
small venue, say between 1,000-2,000 people, and considering that there are two
Denver area teams in this tournament, it might be good to get tickets early
because they could run out.

Any comments or additional information is welcome.

Phil

I agree entirely. Way to go Dockyard skaters and AFCU (that may not be the name
of the credit union because I'm going on memory)!  I wonder if Houston Roller
Derby could do a few commercials like that that could make Reliant Stadium,
Minute Maid Park, or the Toyota Center.  That seems almost like a pipe dream. 
But it is a great way to promote and make roller derby more visible.

Phil

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Platz" <rplatz@...> wrote:
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>
>
>
> Wow, love the spots. We really need more of this sort of thing
> happening around the country.
> Mr Platz
>

Wow, love the spots. We really need more of this sort of thing happening around the country.

Mr Platz

Besides the fact that I am not a member of a league.....!

I can't imagine anyone putting up with my rants.  I could probably make some
fairly reasonable suggestions concerning the rules, and I could probably live
with the fact that those suggestions might not be agreed to at the committee
level or league membership level.

But what really irritates me is the marketing that goes on for roller derby as a
whole in the WFTDA.  First of all, the tournament process needs to be much more
transparent so that skaters, volunteers and fans who are interested in seeing
their favorite all star team make it to regional tournaments can follow
relatively closely the process of teams being invited to regional tournaments. 
When hosts of tournaments are announced, people should know how many teams will
be in the tournament, and roughly what the brackets for that tournament will
look like.  And this should not be just some special people within the
organization or a few favorite outsiders!

Also I would hope that the WFTDA would form a marketing committee that could
help leagues promote interleague bouts.  Now some may say, well all our bouts
are interleague bouts, and this point doesn't apply to you.  Many leagues have
their best attended bouts at league events.  And I know that if I go to an
event, and don't get to see at least 80% of a league's skaters participating in
bouts, I am very disappointed.  And so many fans follow their league rivalries
with great passion and fanaticism.  You probably understand the word fan came
from "fanatic."

Ultimately if roller derby is to become a mainstream, and right now I am not
sure a majority of the skaters want it to be mainstream sport, probably the best
way to promote derby with sports writers and possibly even radio and television
stations, it is to promote these interleague bouts.  My feeling is that if a
local newspaper sees this weekend that Houston is hosting Minnesota or that the
highly ranked Windy City Rollers is hosting the powerful Charm City All Stars
from Baltimore at the UIC Pavilion in Chicago, at least with the sport writers
and broadcasters, this will look more like a legitimate sport.  And if writers
and broadcasters starting thinking that derby is a legitimate sport, the more
likely they are to publicize it.  And then more sports fans might hear about
derby and become interested in seeing a bout.

But if leagues hold what in essence is a glorified scrimmage, even or especially
if it is a WFTDA sanctioned bout, what is sometimes called a closed bout, that
is no way to say to the sports media that roller derby is a legitimate sport. 
It is a way to say to sports media that this is an exclusive sport, nothing
really more than a club sport, although I am thinking that rugby matches and
rowing events aren't usually closed to the public.  Perhaps events like fencing
may be closed to the public, but I wouldn't know because I only see it during
the Olympics.

Now I will say if leagues don't use their normal venue for an interleague bout,
and have very limited seating, but offer some tickets to the public that is not
a closed bout.  It may be a sold out bout, but it is not a closed bout.  My
feeling is that in a WFTDA sanctioned bout, that bout should at least be
partially open to the public and roller derby fans.  That way if something
strange happens in a bout, the public will at least be there to bear witness and
it won't be one team's word against another potentially.

So even if I were strongly associated with a league and that even seems unlikely
to happen although I certainly work with many leagues at the level of writing
about those leagues, I doubt I would ever be asked to serve on a WFTDA
committee.  Apparently I just have too much sports background, and marketing
background, and I'm not sure that would be tolerated at the national level. 
Then again, I do know some reasonable people in the WFTDA that are certainly
smart enough to have an open mind.

I suppose I could also write something about lowering the price of tickets
during a recession, but this topic is probably not the place for that issue. 
Maybe I'll come up with it at a later time.

Phil

Can you please repost the link, it doesnt seem to work?

Hi All;

Toronto Roller Derby needs your help - Ikea is having a huge contest to win a
$15,000 make over, and our bland white space NEEDS IT.

We have entered the Ikea any space is beautiful contest - and need the votes.
Over two days we're at 390, and if we can get all the rollergirls in Canada to
vote once a day - Well we'd be LAUGHING.

Please take some time to click this link and just hit vote. We need to get past
10,000 to win!!!

http://www.anyspace canbebeautiful. ca/?spaceID= 6568%20&language =en

The contest closes august 30th.
thanks!!!

Anya Face

About three weeks ago, my hometown Dockyard Derby Dames traveled down to Olympia
and shot some commercials for America's Credit Union. After 8 hours of skating
(and shooting), they finished 4 commercials.

These commercials will be shown not only on local cable television around here,
but also in movie theaters and at both Safeco Field before Mariners games and
Qwest Field before Seahawks games! Of course, I'm most excited about the Seahawk
games since not only will 67,000 people get to see these but I will also get to
jump around like a lunatic yelling at anyone within the distance of my voice
"THOSE ARE MY FRIENDS"!!!

Anyway, I posted them on my blog. Just click on www.myspace.com/all_bout_derby
to watch them. I'm not just saying this...they are REALLY well done!

Elwood

Well happy birthday Professor Kaos.  So, is this your 24th birthday?  That would
put your born in 1985 or something really ridiculous.  Are the Suicide Shifters
going to sing happy birthday on Saturday.  I noticed somebody else from the
Derby Devils has an August 30th birthday.

Phil

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, PK - Amy Evans <pkskates@...> wrote:
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> Shuuuuudddup! :-)
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:43 PM, ms_valerie_jo@... <
> ms_valerie_jo@...> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Pssssstttt....... Pk is just that excited.......but today is her birthday
> > too!!!!!!!
> >
>