Thank you kindly!

The Original Constanable Benton Fraser, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
I first came to Chicago on the trail of the killers of my father and,
for reasons which don't need exploring at this juncture, I have
remained, attached as liaison to the Canadian consulate.(Happy
birthday, Paul Gross)



--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "marysbloodbath"
<marysbloodbath@...> wrote:
>
> I pestered Ohio for ya a bit about those tix, and they said "keep
yur
> pants on."  Sorry I couldn't be more help.  I'll keep you posted!
>
> Bloody Mary
> Texas Rollergirls
>
> > The Original Donald
> > still waiting for Heartland Havoc tix to go on sale
>

I played scorekeeper last night for the NRG girls and they ALL did
amazing! It was a GREAT bout with tons of energy, good hits, and fast
skating.
-creeping beauty
HRD
Burlesque Brawlers


--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Madame Furie"
<christine.hennessey@...> wrote:
>
> Iron Maidens - 99
> Brick Street Brawlers - 96
>
> Actually, it was more of a mini-bout, as we played three, 12 minute
> periods with 5 skaters on each team. An official write up will follow!
> Mad props for our tough skaters who never let up, and to our referees,
> who did a super professional job keeping us all in line!
>
> Madame Furie
> Nacogdoches Rollergirls, TX
>

Thanks for the information on your league.  That is an extremely
close bout, and I bet everybody was spent by the time your bout was
over!

Phil

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Madame Furie"
<christine.hennessey@...> wrote:
>
> Iron Maidens - 99
> Brick Street Brawlers - 96
>
> Actually, it was more of a mini-bout, as we played three, 12 minute
> periods with 5 skaters on each team. An official write up will
follow!
> Mad props for our tough skaters who never let up, and to our
referees,
> who did a super professional job keeping us all in line!
>
> Madame Furie
> Nacogdoches Rollergirls, TX
>

The Distel Finks were taken down by the Barn Razors 87-81.  We should
have a recap up on our site soon.  www.dutchlandrollers.com!  Glad you
like the name!

xoxo,
Josie Cuervo
Barn Razors!
Dutchland Rollers
Lancaster, PA

Iron Maidens - 99
Brick Street Brawlers - 96

Actually, it was more of a mini-bout, as we played three, 12 minute
periods with 5 skaters on each team. An official write up will follow!
Mad props for our tough skaters who never let up, and to our referees,
who did a super professional job keeping us all in line!

Madame Furie
Nacogdoches Rollergirls, TX

I pestered Ohio for ya a bit about those tix, and they said "keep yur
pants on."  Sorry I couldn't be more help.  I'll keep you posted!

Bloody Mary
Texas Rollergirls

> The Original Donald
> still waiting for Heartland Havoc tix to go on sale

The poll does have some cheesy options in it.  But believe it or not
some of the cheesy options are real options that have been tried
elsewhere.  And yes, some of those options are perfectly tame
options, but that contrasts with some of the other options.

I know some of my skater friends just throw their head back when they
see some of the fund raisers going on across the nation.  And I think
with this poll, now is the chance for them to express themselves.
And because of the DIY nature of leagues, anyone can do almost
anything they want.  But is it advisable?  I can't say that HRD and
the Texas Rollergirls always conduct themselves with great decorum
and dignity, but I think I can say fairly safely (no offense
intended) that they almost always conduct themselves with admirable
dignity and decorum.

Phil

P.S.  From a marketing perspective just being able to hang out with
skaters able to be themselves sells the sport really well.  That is
why I am willing to drive 164 miles to Houston to hang out with
skaters for an afternoon.  You can't do that with any major sports
participants that I know of.

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Spicks"
<Crispix396@...> wrote:
>
> Phil, I have to agree with you.  While I think your poll has a
couple
> of cheesy options on it, your points still valid.  Anything you
> do "in the name of the sport" reflects on the sport itself.  There
> are plenty of ways to raise money that don't sell sex and as soon
as
> you cross that line (on or off the court or even in your
advertising)
> then you are to blame for the idiots in the crowd.
>
> Some people have a hard time imagining that they are not
> themselves... I would personally love to see some of the HRD's
girls
> do a "Strip-Off" to raise some money.  I would probably leave there
> broke, however to an outside who in unfamiliar with the sport,
doing
> something like this in the name of DERBY would attract the wrong
> crowd.  Yes the dirty old man might actually buy a ticket, but he
> will not be a fan of the sport, he will just be a fan of the boobs.
>
> People still complain that people don't take roller derby
seriously.
> When a media outlet compares derby to jello wrestling because of
the
> crowd it attracts, the skaters are furious claiming "we are nothing
> like that, we are a sport of hard working empowered women".  Yet to
> fight for an image, respectability, credibility and eventually a
> national fan base that respects derby as a REAL SPORT, then things
> like that should not be done without taking responsibility for when
> someone makes an ignorant comparison of derby and jello wrestling
> that you have done it to yourself.
>
> Roller Derby has great credibility, strategies, training, teamwork,
> skill, luck, excitement, nail biting moments, injuries, glory and
> defeat, diversity, dedication, and girls.  All of those positive
> images, do you have to sell the "girls" first?
>
> I have now been to 4 team fundraisers here in Houston.
> The Bosses "bike wash":
> Where no one was running around in bikinis and splashing each
other,
> the girls were dressed comfortably doing a job and promoting.  And
> while yes, a girl in a bikini might have gotten more attention,
they
> gained more respect.
>
> The Bosses Official Fundraiser:
> There was a great Band, merchandise hand created by the girls,
silent
> auctions, in a great bar.  The place was constantly packed, and I
> imagine they did well.
>
> The Sirens Fundraiser:
> It was a great time at a local eatery/beer house.  Auctions, food,
> beer, merch etc, and I am sure they did well as the place was
packed
> the whole time I was there.
>
> The Bettie fundraiser:
> It had a great venue, packed house, crawfish, merch, silent
auctions
> were all great.  The most controversial aspect was the "Bomb a
> Bettie" in which we threw water balloons at the Betties.  This game
> was the most fun and would have been just as fun if there was men
or
> women up there getting ballooned and was not advertised as
a "chicks
> in wet t-shirts" event.
>
> There is always another way to raise money besides throwing the SEX
> card.  Having a sex-y oriented event should be a last resort.
Derby
> already has enough skeletons in the closet to get out.  The
> stereotypes of it being "fake, choreographed, or just attracting
the
> horny male audience" are ones that we all have to try and break.
Any
> amount of feeding into those, jeopardizes all the work the rest of
> the girls are doing to clean it up.
>
> Chris Spicks
> 396studios.com
>

On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Hambone wrote:

> --- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <bunkertor@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> hambone,
>>
>>> New York Shock Exchange 107, Pioneer Valley Dirty Dozen, 50.
>>> In two 20-minute periods.
>>
>> I thought it was 53?
>>
>
> could be.  pardon the approximation

I have 51, which I copied off the scoreboard shortly after the
buzzer. Hopefully someone who has access to the official scorecard
will stop by soon to clarify matters.

Andrew

For all of you who have a Father's Day bout scheduled in June, it may
be a tough draw.  But if you want to appeal to the male ego, it can be
done.  For instance if you think of the old show Father Knows Best, you
can modify a theme to something like Daddy Knows Derby Best!  Or Derby
Like Your Daddy Loved!  Anyway, guys don't mind having their ego
stroked a bit, in case you have never noticed, and so if you get this
marketing out far enough in advance you might see a scenario like
this.  When the wife and kids ask Dad what he wants for Fathers Day, he
might just say, "I'd like to go see Roller Derby."

Then again you can always call it Derby for Dear Ol' Dad!  And if you
can give away gifts to dads say like beer koozies (office poll 2 out of
3 went with this spelling) from sponsors like Bud Light, Lone Star and
Pabst Blue Ribbon, well guys always like getting gifts because it makes
them feel like they're appreciated.

Just some marketing thought for the June bout because Fathers Day can
be a tough day to draw on.

Phil

Phil, I have to agree with you.  While I think your poll has a couple
of cheesy options on it, your points still valid.  Anything you
do "in the name of the sport" reflects on the sport itself.  There
are plenty of ways to raise money that don't sell sex and as soon as
you cross that line (on or off the court or even in your advertising)
then you are to blame for the idiots in the crowd.

Some people have a hard time imagining that they are not
themselves... I would personally love to see some of the HRD's girls
do a "Strip-Off" to raise some money.  I would probably leave there
broke, however to an outside who in unfamiliar with the sport, doing
something like this in the name of DERBY would attract the wrong
crowd.  Yes the dirty old man might actually buy a ticket, but he
will not be a fan of the sport, he will just be a fan of the boobs.

People still complain that people don't take roller derby seriously.
When a media outlet compares derby to jello wrestling because of the
crowd it attracts, the skaters are furious claiming "we are nothing
like that, we are a sport of hard working empowered women".  Yet to
fight for an image, respectability, credibility and eventually a
national fan base that respects derby as a REAL SPORT, then things
like that should not be done without taking responsibility for when
someone makes an ignorant comparison of derby and jello wrestling
that you have done it to yourself.

Roller Derby has great credibility, strategies, training, teamwork,
skill, luck, excitement, nail biting moments, injuries, glory and
defeat, diversity, dedication, and girls.  All of those positive
images, do you have to sell the "girls" first?

I have now been to 4 team fundraisers here in Houston.
The Bosses "bike wash":
Where no one was running around in bikinis and splashing each other,
the girls were dressed comfortably doing a job and promoting.  And
while yes, a girl in a bikini might have gotten more attention, they
gained more respect.

The Bosses Official Fundraiser:
There was a great Band, merchandise hand created by the girls, silent
auctions, in a great bar.  The place was constantly packed, and I
imagine they did well.

The Sirens Fundraiser:
It was a great time at a local eatery/beer house.  Auctions, food,
beer, merch etc, and I am sure they did well as the place was packed
the whole time I was there.

The Bettie fundraiser:
It had a great venue, packed house, crawfish, merch, silent auctions
were all great.  The most controversial aspect was the "Bomb a
Bettie" in which we threw water balloons at the Betties.  This game
was the most fun and would have been just as fun if there was men or
women up there getting ballooned and was not advertised as a "chicks
in wet t-shirts" event.

There is always another way to raise money besides throwing the SEX
card.  Having a sex-y oriented event should be a last resort.  Derby
already has enough skeletons in the closet to get out.  The
stereotypes of it being "fake, choreographed, or just attracting the
horny male audience" are ones that we all have to try and break.  Any
amount of feeding into those, jeopardizes all the work the rest of
the girls are doing to clean it up.

Chris Spicks
396studios.com

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <bunkertor@...> wrote:
>
> hambone,
>
> > New York Shock Exchange 107, Pioneer Valley Dirty Dozen, 50.
> > In two 20-minute periods.
>
> I thought it was 53?
>

could be.  pardon the approximation

hambone,

> New York Shock Exchange 107, Pioneer Valley Dirty Dozen, 50.
> In two 20-minute periods.

I thought it was 53?

> This was a co-ed event co-mingled with two female 20-minute periods:
> Pioneer Valley 86, NJ Dirty Dames 58

How did you post that so quick?  Great game guys.

Two games for the price of one!

Tim
Hotrod Hooligans

Respectfully, Willy~

I am of the opinion that what rollergirls do off the track has a LOT
to do with how the public perceives them and the sport they are
putting themselves out there to raise money for.

They are out there promoting their Derby league and themselves as
members of that league. It is naive and unrealistic to say that their
choice of activities won't reflect on the sport they are also
representing.

I whole-heartedly agree with Phil on this one. For several years I
have been concerned about just this subject. I personally am aware of
several leagues who have lost existing sponsors (attorneys, insurance
companies, child care centers, etc.) who decided the Derby "image"
being presented was NOT something that they wanted to be associated
with.

It is an unfortunate truth that a picture of rollergirls jello-
wrestling, table dancing, presenting burlesque or drinking themselves
stupid, gets a lot more attention from the public than the great bout
they just played. And makes a much more lasting impression.

I am not by any means judging anyone. The DIY Derby encompasses all
types of skaters with all levels of personal boundries. There will
always be skaters that revel in the freedom and perceived safety of
a "League" sponsored event. But I think for this sport to be accepted
mainstream, a little decorum is needed.

I would like to see more leagues think of the future of their sport.
I would venture to say few moms dream of seeing their little girl
growing up to win a jello-wrestling contest sponsored by their sports
league.

What I most hear about when I inquire as too why leagues would choose
these types of tittilating fund-raisers over others is
predictable: "Easy Money".

There a plenty of leagues out there that manage to have successful
fundraisers without doing anytyhing that would be contrary to a more
positive, sports-related image.

To support my theory, take a look at the current movement of
professional sports organizations towards holding their  players
responsible for their innappropriate public behavior, both on and off
the field of play.

My opinion reflects the policies and beliefs of the newly created
Corpus Christi Rolling Thunder (Co-ed Banked Track League).

Thunder Woman
General Manager

With Liberty and Derby For ALL!

myspace.com/ccrollingthunder

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Harris"
<harriswillys@...> wrote:
>
> What skaters do for fundraisers off track has no bearing on roller
derby as
> a sport.  "Approporiateness" doesn't enter into it.
>
> As long as that particular league is in favor of "that activity" in
that
> instance, and as long as the skaters who participate are doing it
for fun
> and not because they're feeling any pressure from their league
mates, I fail
> to see how anyone else's feelings of propriety would be relevant.
>
> In your example, the participants in the jello and pudding
wrestling had
> great fun doing it, and in fact continue to participate in that
sort of
> thing (in appropriate settings, of course.)
>
> NB to any leagues out there contemplating this - stick to jello.
I'm told
> that you'll smell faintly of rancid pudding for days.
>
> Willy Callit
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Arnold" <philar_72@...>
> To: <RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:03 AM
> Subject: [RollerDerbyIsSport] Rewriting the Poll
>
>
> >I did create a poll.  What fund raising activity do you believe is
> > inappropriate for womens roller derby leagues.  There are several
> > choices, and you can vote more than once.  You can also choose
none of
> > the above is inappropriate or all of the above are inappropriate.
> >
> > The problem was that I had to edit the pole and choises like
> > mud/jello/pudding wrestling and some other choices got put out of
> > sequence.  But you can go to the poll and choose to vote if you
wish.
> > I'll run this poll for slightly over a month.
> >
> > The background is when I saw Hell on Wheels, BGGW's remaining
skaters
> > had a bikini jello or pudding wrestling fund raiser.  When I saw
that
> > in the film I thought, that's pretty desparate to raise funds, and
> > considering they had just lost about 80% of their league's
skaters I
> > thought it was fairly excusable.  However, there are still
leagues that
> > do such fund raising events, which I consider to be fairly
demeaning to
> > women, and a poor presentation of roller derby as a sport.
> >
> > But then again, when a league's members decide to do that
wouldn't that
> > make it ok?  Well, I'm not so sure that is the kind of customers
you
> > want to draw to your event.  At least it certainly is not
promoting
> > derby as a sport, but rather as a type of erotic spectacle.
> >
> > Anyway, this poll is a way for you to express your opinion.  You
can
> > probably guess how I feel about it.  But what do you think?  Your
vote
> > or votes is appreciated.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Arnold"
<philar_72@...> wrote:
>
> when
> was the last time that Philly lost a home game?
>

to gotham, october 22 2006, 103-69 :-)

Having personally seen the Liberty Belles victorious four times since
then (vs. Hustlers, vs. Big Easy, vs. Providence, and vs. Charm City),
I can say that both teams have dramatically improved since then -
ESPECIALLY Philly.  Six months is an eternity in derby-time.

MEANWHILE here's the fresh final scores of the very first full-length
all-male flat track roller derby bout, ever, in the history of the
universe:

New York Shock Exchange 107, Pioneer Valley Dirty Dozen, 50.
In two 20-minute periods.

This was a co-ed event co-mingled with two female 20-minute periods:
Pioneer Valley 86, NJ Dirty Dames 58

- hambone, gotham

Another defending champion in a Texas league went down to defeat
tonight at the Austin Convention Center as the Holy Rollers beat the
Putas Del Fuego, 33-26.  The HR's played a sound strategic defense that
cut the Putas Del Fuegos offense off in the middle of the game, and
allowed the white-bloused team to draw out to a lead that just couldn't
be overcome.

The Putas actually jumped out to a 10-7 first quarter lead with Chola
pulling a big 3-0 jam when the game was tied 3-3 midway through the
first quarter to help establish that lead.

But Smarty Pants would counter back the first jam of the second quarter
with a four-point jam, and Sister Mary Jane would follow up with a
three-point jam as the Holy Rollers opened up a 14-11 lead.  Chola
would tackle Sister Mary Jane in the period, and there would be some
headhunting as the Holy Rollers were going after Chola.  And while
Chola avoided the HR skaters, she couldn't avoid the major penalty the
refs called on her for tackling Sister Mary Jane.  SMJ would follow up
the next jam with Chola in the box scoring two last second jam points,
and the Holy Rollers would go into halftime with a 16-12 lead.

Smarty Pants and Sister Mary Jane would open up the first two jams of
the third period with six combined points, while the Putas would only
score two-points and suddenly the eight point lead was looking very
safe in a strong defensive game.  The Holy Rollers would speed the pack
up making it very difficult for the Putas jammers of Chola, Chingona,
Venus Envy, and Death Vallery to score and at the end of three it was
Holy Rollers leading 27-18.

Penalties would come into play in the last period as a two-lap no-holds-
barred minor penalty slated Chingona (minor foul committer) against
Smarty Pants.  Smarty pants would tackle Chingona and it looked like
both skaters hit their heads on the rail as they flew off the track
between the rail and the track.  EMT's administered to both skaters in
the standing room only crowd, and Chingona would get back on the track
and finish the second lap, and not lose a point.

Another contest was held when Chola received a minor penalty for an
illegal block.  Chola would broad jump against Sacriligous, and the
young speed skater would out jump Cholas to cause a point deduction.
In this defensive game, the Putas could not afford to lose any points.
The Holy Rollers built up a 33-22 lead with only one jam remaining, and
retiring skater Chingona (who is moving to Alaska) scored four points
as the Rollers were shutout, but the points were too few, too late.

The strategic moments of the game were some amazing defense played by
the Holy Rollers.  In the Lone Star edition of banked track rules, the
jammer can not be passed for points.  So if the HR's did not make lead
jammer status, the jammer would position way back behind the pack and
try to slow down the Puta jammer while the other Rollers would speed up
the pack.  This led to many shutout jams.

While Sister Mary Jane and Smarty Pants picked up the majority of
points for the Holy Rollers, Sacriligious would pick up a few crucial
points and win that broad jump to help her team.  And Axel Rose would
only score a few points jamming, but would play some amazing defense
while jamming.

Chingona was just as an effective jammer as was Chola, but the Putas
will miss Chingona the rest of the season. Venus Envy also had a good
game, but had difficulty penetrating the Holy Roller defense.

The Holy Rollers securted the number one seed for the playoffs, and the
Putas del Fuegos will be the second seed.  The Cherry Bombs will be the
third seed.  The next action will be a playoff game on May 12, a
Saturday at the Austin, Convention Center.

Phil Arnold

What skaters do for fundraisers off track has no bearing on roller derby as
a sport. "Approporiateness" doesn't enter into it.

As long as that particular league is in favor of "that activity" in that
instance, and as long as the skaters who participate are doing it for fun
and not because they're feeling any pressure from their league mates, I fail
to see how anyone else's feelings of propriety would be relevant.

In your example, the participants in the jello and pudding wrestling had
great fun doing it, and in fact continue to participate in that sort of
thing (in appropriate settings, of course.)

NB to any leagues out there contemplating this - stick to jello. I'm told
that you'll smell faintly of rancid pudding for days.

Willy Callit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Arnold" <philar_72@yahoo.com>
To: <RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: [RollerDerbyIsSport] Rewriting the Poll

>I did create a poll. What fund raising activity do you believe is
> inappropriate for womens roller derby leagues. There are several
> choices, and you can vote more than once. You can also choose none of
> the above is inappropriate or all of the above are inappropriate.
>
> The problem was that I had to edit the pole and choises like
> mud/jello/pudding wrestling and some other choices got put out of
> sequence. But you can go to the poll and choose to vote if you wish.
> I'll run this poll for slightly over a month.
>
> The background is when I saw Hell on Wheels, BGGW's remaining skaters
> had a bikini jello or pudding wrestling fund raiser. When I saw that
> in the film I thought, that's pretty desparate to raise funds, and
> considering they had just lost about 80% of their league's skaters I
> thought it was fairly excusable. However, there are still leagues that
> do such fund raising events, which I consider to be fairly demeaning to
> women, and a poor presentation of roller derby as a sport.
>
> But then again, when a league's members decide to do that wouldn't that
> make it ok? Well, I'm not so sure that is the kind of customers you
> want to draw to your event. At least it certainly is not promoting
> derby as a sport, but rather as a type of erotic spectacle.
>
> Anyway, this poll is a way for you to express your opinion. You can
> probably guess how I feel about it. But what do you think? Your vote
> or votes is appreciated.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I missed it (outta town).

If you could get Calvin at a practice for a little fun, and invite
some news media,
it would give them a very good excuse to give some more air time to
roller derby!

I'd love to see Calvin on skates!

   -bill shirley

On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Nicole wrote:
> It was a blast actually!
>
> And we all met Calvin Murphy, former Houston Rocket and NBA Hall of
> Famer.
> He actually has 2 pairs of rollerskates! And wants to come skate
> with us!
>
> Good times.
> Thanks for listening Phil.
> And Flame did great!
>
> Claudia
> Brawlers
> HRD

What skaters do for fundraisers off track has no bearing on roller derby as
a sport.  "Approporiateness" doesn't enter into it.

As long as that particular league is in favor of "that activity" in that
instance, and as long as the skaters who participate are doing it for fun
and not because they're feeling any pressure from their league mates, I fail
to see how anyone else's feelings of propriety would be relevant.

In your example, the participants in the jello and pudding wrestling had
great fun doing it, and in fact continue to participate in that sort of
thing (in appropriate settings, of course.)

NB to any leagues out there contemplating this - stick to jello.  I'm told
that you'll smell faintly of rancid pudding for days.

Willy Callit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Arnold" <philar_72@...>
To: <RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: [RollerDerbyIsSport] Rewriting the Poll


>I did create a poll.  What fund raising activity do you believe is
> inappropriate for womens roller derby leagues.  There are several
> choices, and you can vote more than once.  You can also choose none of
> the above is inappropriate or all of the above are inappropriate.
>
> The problem was that I had to edit the pole and choises like
> mud/jello/pudding wrestling and some other choices got put out of
> sequence.  But you can go to the poll and choose to vote if you wish.
> I'll run this poll for slightly over a month.
>
> The background is when I saw Hell on Wheels, BGGW's remaining skaters
> had a bikini jello or pudding wrestling fund raiser.  When I saw that
> in the film I thought, that's pretty desparate to raise funds, and
> considering they had just lost about 80% of their league's skaters I
> thought it was fairly excusable.  However, there are still leagues that
> do such fund raising events, which I consider to be fairly demeaning to
> women, and a poor presentation of roller derby as a sport.
>
> But then again, when a league's members decide to do that wouldn't that
> make it ok?  Well, I'm not so sure that is the kind of customers you
> want to draw to your event.  At least it certainly is not promoting
> derby as a sport, but rather as a type of erotic spectacle.
>
> Anyway, this poll is a way for you to express your opinion.  You can
> probably guess how I feel about it.  But what do you think?  Your vote
> or votes is appreciated.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Good point. With Minnesota, Madison, Carolina, GGRD, Providence, AND
Philly, there are gonna be two teams outta the East that are major
players that aren't in the Elite Eight.

The Original Donald
still waiting for Heartland Havoc tix to go on sale


--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "mopain8" <mopain8@...>
wrote:
>
> hopefully we'll be down to austin for nationals *crosses fingers*
>
> mo pain
>
> --- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Arnold"
> <philar_72@> wrote:
> >
> > So when is Philly coming down to Texas to play?  A ten point game
is
> > usually a sufficient enough margin to think of it as mainly a
home
> > track advantage.  In other words, I don't find this surprising,
as
> when
> > was the last time that Philly lost a home game?
> >
> > Thanks for the information!
> >
> > Phil
>

missing option:  "these answers may vary from community to community"

On 29 Apr 2007 15:43:48 -0000, RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com <RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
RollerDerbyIsSport group:

Raising money for Roller Derby leagues can be a little questionable,
at least to some peole. What types of activities do you consider to
be inappropriate for fund raising in women's roller derby? You may
for more than one activity as being inaappropriate if you wish.

o Mud/jellow/pudding wrestling
o Kissing booth
o Burlesque show
o Car washes
o Belching contests
o Beer drinking contests
o Silent auctions
o Skate nights
o Barbecue and other food parties
o Raffles
o All of the above are inappropriate
o None of the above are inappropriate

To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerDerbyIsSport/surveys?id=1838009

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

hopefully we'll be down to austin for nationals *crosses fingers*

mo pain

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Arnold"
<philar_72@...> wrote:
>
> So when is Philly coming down to Texas to play?  A ten point game is
> usually a sufficient enough margin to think of it as mainly a home
> track advantage.  In other words, I don't find this surprising, as
when
> was the last time that Philly lost a home game?
>
> Thanks for the information!
>
> Phil

I did create a poll.  What fund raising activity do you believe is
inappropriate for womens roller derby leagues.  There are several
choices, and you can vote more than once.  You can also choose none of
the above is inappropriate or all of the above are inappropriate.

The problem was that I had to edit the pole and choises like
mud/jello/pudding wrestling and some other choices got put out of
sequence.  But you can go to the poll and choose to vote if you wish.
I'll run this poll for slightly over a month.

The background is when I saw Hell on Wheels, BGGW's remaining skaters
had a bikini jello or pudding wrestling fund raiser.  When I saw that
in the film I thought, that's pretty desparate to raise funds, and
considering they had just lost about 80% of their league's skaters I
thought it was fairly excusable.  However, there are still leagues that
do such fund raising events, which I consider to be fairly demeaning to
women, and a poor presentation of roller derby as a sport.

But then again, when a league's members decide to do that wouldn't that
make it ok?  Well, I'm not so sure that is the kind of customers you
want to draw to your event.  At least it certainly is not promoting
derby as a sport, but rather as a type of erotic spectacle.

Anyway, this poll is a way for you to express your opinion.  You can
probably guess how I feel about it.  But what do you think?  Your vote
or votes is appreciated.

Phil

So when is Philly coming down to Texas to play?  A ten point game is
usually a sufficient enough margin to think of it as mainly a home
track advantage.  In other words, I don't find this surprising, as when
was the last time that Philly lost a home game?

Thanks for the information!

Phil

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, zombielicious@... wrote:
>
> brace yourselves, derby fans:
>
> Philly Liberty Belles:  89
> Texas Hustlers:  79
>
>
> All I remember is Philly won by 10, and what ever I posted is close
to correct..  All I can say is, holy crap!  it was insane.   You should
have been there.  Viva la afterparty!
>
> Zombie Licious
> PRG, Ref
>

Coming out of a basketball background, Calvin Murphy was a point
guard I tried to model my game after.  His main thing was quickness,
and he taught me I could out quick big men who were trying to block
shots.  He had what is now called the tear drop, and I think was the
originator of the quick high arching shot in the lane.  I loved
listening to him on The Ticket before Flame got on the air.

It would be great if he got to skate with you at a practice or two,
and don't forget to invite him to a game.  If he gets introduced to a
crowd at a Houston Roller Derby bout, it helps legitimize roller
derby in the minds of many sports fans, and perhaps even mainstream
sports media in Houston.

It could be this opportunity will not pan out, but it could also pay
big time benefits in Houston.

Phil

--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole" <nixnix@...>
wrote:
>
> It was a blast actually!
>
> And we all met Calvin Murphy, former Houston Rocket and NBA Hall of
Famer.
>
> He actually has 2 pairs of rollerskates! And wants to come skate
with us!
>
> Good times.
>
> Thanks for listening Phil.
>
> And Flame did great!
>
> Claudia
> Brawlers
> HRD

I agree that Women's seems to be more exciting- but I don't have much
to compare it to, especially because roller derby in the last century
was pretty much over by the time I was born.

I have to say though, I used to go to a school, Williston Northampton,
in Easthampton MA [5 minutes from Northampton/noho]- and want to go
back soon to visit friends.... and check out Pioneer Valley's [noho]
league.... and hopefully see the men play/scrimmage. I'm so excited
for them... that they had guys that wanted to play and went ahead and
just did it.

CVD
Brawlers
HRD



--- In RollerDerbyIsSport@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Arnold"
<philar_72@...> wrote:
>
> I very much prefer women to men in roller derby.  I preferred the
> women's part of the game back in the 1960s & '70s when I was a kid.
> And I personally think one of the good things about roller derby and
> it's rebirth in the 21st Century, is so far women's only.  Most every
> other women's sport in this country ends up competing against men as
> far a comparison of athletic skills and competition.
>
> Now I know the men who are doing this are very passionate, but quite
> frankly I won't pay a penny to see men skate.  All my free time goes to
> supporting womens flat track and banked track roller derby.  I won't
> try to dissuade men from skating in roller derby, but I certainly don't
> plan on supporting it, even to the point of taking my time out to write
> to include in a derby summary, of which I often am already spending
> hours and hours doing the writing.
>
> Sorry Charlie, but to my thinking women's roller derby is just much
> more dynamic right now.
>
> Phil
>