Reds: Graves blows his first save


  by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com
  Tuesday, May 3, 2005

  News
  Reds closer Danny Graves took his first loss of the season on Monday,
blowing a save by allowing four
  hits and three runs, one of which were earned in 1/3 of an inning
against the Reds. After a string of
  less than optimal outings, it's a minor miracle to see this is Graves
first blown save of the season.

  Views
  You have to go back nine outings to find a time when Graves didn't
allow at least one base runner and
  he's allowed at least one earned run in three of his last four
appearances. Clearly the Reds have more
  patience than we do with Graves as he should've lost his job a long
time ago. While the gut wrenching
  number of base runners allowed was obviously not enough, a couple more
blown saves and perhaps
  they'll push the panic button.

-The skipper isn't always the first to get it.The Reds haven't made
a real attempt to have a good pitching staff for awhile now.We went
out and got Milton but even most other GM's passed on him and didn't
want to risk a huge contract.Until the management decides to quit
playing around and start making a real pitch to put together a good
staff it doesn't matter how good of an offense we have because we
will continue to lose games that by all rights we should be winning.-
- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Jenkins"
<bigsteelerfan1@m...> wrote:
>
>
>
> The Skipper is always the one who gets it first.  Someone has to
take
> responsibility.  The Players make to much money these days to just
fire
> them.
> MJ
>
> > Very true but let's not leave out Gullett.He is the pitching
coach
> > and to his credit,he may not have the best of pitchers to work
with
> > but still..They shouldn't be giving up home runs at this rate.If
it
> > keeps up they will break last years record with ease.--- In
> > RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, Virgil Clausen <VClausen@s...> wrote:
> > > The present plight of the Reds has nothing to do with Miley, I
> > like him
> > > but am well aware he will be the first one to be sacrificed.
That
> > is the
> > > nature of the "beast".

The Skipper is always the one who gets it first.  Someone has to take
responsibility.  The Players make to much money these days to just fire
them.
MJ

> Very true but let's not leave out Gullett.He is the pitching coach
> and to his credit,he may not have the best of pitchers to work with
> but still..They shouldn't be giving up home runs at this rate.If it
> keeps up they will break last years record with ease.--- In
> RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, Virgil Clausen <VClausen@s...> wrote:
> > The present plight of the Reds has nothing to do with Miley, I
> like him
> > but am well aware he will be the first one to be sacrificed. That
> is the
> > nature of the "beast".

Danny hasn't been the same since Boone ruined him by trying to make him a
starter.  He's lost control of his stuff and isn't as nasty as he used to
be.  The Reds would be better off at this point trading him for a couple
good starters and promote Ryan Wagner to the role of closer.  Danny has been
risky each time he's seen action this year.  His sinker isn't the nasty one
we've grown accustomed to seeing year in and year out.
MJ


----- Original Message -----
From: "metcalf family" <bratcat5@...>
To: <RedsFest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [RedsFest] Re: Booing


> Oh the Cards have good, loyal fans, I don't deny that.  It's the
> intolerance that gets to me.  They can't seem to understand that there
> ARE other teams out there, and we don't HAVE to be Cards fans just
> because we live here.  If I hear "well, you live in St. Louis now, you
> have to be a Cardinals fan!" just _one_ more time I swear I'm going to
> snap and shove a cardinals pennant up someone's nose.  They also can't
> seem to understand that if the Reds aren't in the Series, then *I'm*
> rooting for the AL to win....  I'm wierd that way.
>
> And while I may be royally PO'd at the team right now, I am a Reds fan,
> I don't jump ship to the current winners side like so many do.
>
> And I agree with Dooley--Danny deserved to be boo'd last night. He needs
> to suck it up, be a man and take the boos.  If he doesn't like them, DO
> something about them.  (like not blow games....).
>
> *rant over*
>
> Delana
>
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Thanks Greg, this is great!

Greg Riepenhoff wrote:

> There we were.  1984.  Glandorf Elementary.  Recess.
> East Playground.  Brian Wolke was the captain of his
> kickball team, which, being the fierce competitor he
> is, consisted of the jocks like Bill Burgei, Derek
> Schmidebusch, Kevin Duling, Todd Tobe, and Mark Utrup.
>  I was the captain of the other team.  I had taken a
> different approach.  My team consisted of all the
> lovely ladies in Mrs. Poppleman’s 4th grade class.
> Erin Stoeffel, April Lenz, Heather Patrick, Dana
> Bockrath, and Holly Hemrick to name a few.
> Miraculously, my team led 9-3 in bottom of the 6th and
> final inning.  I brought in my closer Renee Schumacher
> to finish the game.   Wolke ripped a crisp single to
> the monkey bars to lead off the inning.  Jeff Utrup
> followed with another single.  A walk to Ricky Roof
> loaded the bases to bring up the reigning 4 squares
> champion Steve Schnipke.  Schnipke grounded
> Schumacher’s slow and bouncy specialty to Amy
> Hermiller at shortstop who flipped to second for the
> force out.  But Mandy Maag’s throw to first sailed
> over the first baseman’s head and into the cemetery
> across the road to clear the bases and make it a 9-6
> game.  A single and 2 walks later the bases were
> loaded again for power kicker Jason Schroeder.  On the
> 0-2 delivery to Schroeder, a disturbance occurred in
> the outfield.  Eric Eickholt had run onto the field
> and was chasing the outfielders trying to kiss them.
> Schroeder connected with a routine flyball to center
> field.  But the centerfielder was running for the
> school building.  Cheryl Jerwers raced out from first
> base to field the ball.  Her throw to the cutoff girl
> was a beauty.  The relay throw was a perfect one
> bounce strike to the catcher Patty Hageman.  But Patty
> was crying because she peed her pants in the
> excitement and couldn’t see the ball.  Schroeder
> lowered his shoulder and leveled Hageman to score the
> winning run as the ball went sailing by.  Hageman was
> carried off in a stretcher.  Mrs. Poppleman was fired.
>  And I was never allowed to coach another kickball
> team ever again.  Before Monday night’s Reds game that
> was the only other time I remember a team blowing a 6
> run lead in the last inning.  Unfreakingbelievable.
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Thanks,

At least I got one chuckle out of that whole mess.


--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, Greg Riepenhoff <greaper22@y...>
wrote:
> There we were.  1984.  Glandorf Elementary.  Recess.
> East Playground.  Brian Wolke was the captain of his
> kickball team, which, being the fierce competitor he
> is, consisted of the jocks like Bill Burgei, Derek
> Schmidebusch, Kevin Duling, Todd Tobe, and Mark Utrup.
>  I was the captain of the other team.  I had taken a
> different approach.  My team consisted of all the
> lovely ladies in Mrs. Poppleman's 4th grade class.
> Erin Stoeffel, April Lenz, Heather Patrick, Dana
> Bockrath, and Holly Hemrick to name a few.
> Miraculously, my team led 9-3 in bottom of the 6th and
> final inning.  I brought in my closer Renee Schumacher
> to finish the game.   Wolke ripped a crisp single to
> the monkey bars to lead off the inning.  Jeff Utrup
> followed with another single.  A walk to Ricky Roof
> loaded the bases to bring up the reigning 4 squares
> champion Steve Schnipke.  Schnipke grounded
> Schumacher's slow and bouncy specialty to Amy
> Hermiller at shortstop who flipped to second for the
> force out.  But Mandy Maag's throw to first sailed
> over the first baseman's head and into the cemetery
> across the road to clear the bases and make it a 9-6
> game.  A single and 2 walks later the bases were
> loaded again for power kicker Jason Schroeder.  On the
> 0-2 delivery to Schroeder, a disturbance occurred in
> the outfield.  Eric Eickholt had run onto the field
> and was chasing the outfielders trying to kiss them.
> Schroeder connected with a routine flyball to center
> field.  But the centerfielder was running for the
> school building.  Cheryl Jerwers raced out from first
> base to field the ball.  Her throw to the cutoff girl
> was a beauty.  The relay throw was a perfect one
> bounce strike to the catcher Patty Hageman.  But Patty
> was crying because she peed her pants in the
> excitement and couldn't see the ball.  Schroeder
> lowered his shoulder and leveled Hageman to score the
> winning run as the ball went sailing by.  Hageman was
> carried off in a stretcher.  Mrs. Poppleman was fired.
>  And I was never allowed to coach another kickball
> team ever again.  Before Monday night's Reds game that
> was the only other time I remember a team blowing a 6
> run lead in the last inning.  Unfreakingbelievable.
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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There we were.  1984.  Glandorf Elementary.  Recess.
East Playground.  Brian Wolke was the captain of his
kickball team, which, being the fierce competitor he
is, consisted of the jocks like Bill Burgei, Derek
Schmidebusch, Kevin Duling, Todd Tobe, and Mark Utrup.
  I was the captain of the other team.  I had taken a
different approach.  My team consisted of all the
lovely ladies in Mrs. Poppleman’s 4th grade class.
Erin Stoeffel, April Lenz, Heather Patrick, Dana
Bockrath, and Holly Hemrick to name a few.
Miraculously, my team led 9-3 in bottom of the 6th and
final inning.  I brought in my closer Renee Schumacher
to finish the game.   Wolke ripped a crisp single to
the monkey bars to lead off the inning.  Jeff Utrup
followed with another single.  A walk to Ricky Roof
loaded the bases to bring up the reigning 4 squares
champion Steve Schnipke.  Schnipke grounded
Schumacher’s slow and bouncy specialty to Amy
Hermiller at shortstop who flipped to second for the
force out.  But Mandy Maag’s throw to first sailed
over the first baseman’s head and into the cemetery
across the road to clear the bases and make it a 9-6
game.  A single and 2 walks later the bases were
loaded again for power kicker Jason Schroeder.  On the
0-2 delivery to Schroeder, a disturbance occurred in
the outfield.  Eric Eickholt had run onto the field
and was chasing the outfielders trying to kiss them.
Schroeder connected with a routine flyball to center
field.  But the centerfielder was running for the
school building.  Cheryl Jerwers raced out from first
base to field the ball.  Her throw to the cutoff girl
was a beauty.  The relay throw was a perfect one
bounce strike to the catcher Patty Hageman.  But Patty
was crying because she peed her pants in the
excitement and couldn’t see the ball.  Schroeder
lowered his shoulder and leveled Hageman to score the
winning run as the ball went sailing by.  Hageman was
carried off in a stretcher.  Mrs. Poppleman was fired.
  And I was never allowed to coach another kickball
team ever again.  Before Monday night’s Reds game that
was the only other time I remember a team blowing a 6
run lead in the last inning.  Unfreakingbelievable.


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Oh the Cards have good, loyal fans, I don't deny that.  It's the
intolerance that gets to me.  They can't seem to understand that there
ARE other teams out there, and we don't HAVE to be Cards fans just
because we live here.  If I hear "well, you live in St. Louis now, you
have to be a Cardinals fan!" just _one_ more time I swear I'm going to
snap and shove a cardinals pennant up someone's nose.  They also can't
seem to understand that if the Reds aren't in the Series, then *I'm*
rooting for the AL to win....  I'm wierd that way.

And while I may be royally PO'd at the team right now, I am a Reds fan,
I don't jump ship to the current winners side like so many do.

And I agree with Dooley--Danny deserved to be boo'd last night. He needs
to suck it up, be a man and take the boos.  If he doesn't like them, DO
something about them.  (like not blow games....).

*rant over*

Delana

dooleyville wrote:

 Oh, I knew you especially would find last night painful.  Don't envy
you today, that's for sure, very glad I don't live in the Cardinal
Nation today.
 
 
 

--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, metcalf family <bratcat5@c...> wrote:
> Last night was completely flippin' ridiculous.  To BLOW a 6 run lead
at
> the top of the 9th is inexcusable!  To blow a 4 run lead against a
team
> like the the Brewers was almost as inexcuable as last night.
>
> I just knew we were seeing the real team in that first series against
> the Astros.
>
> Delana
 
 

-Graves deserved the booing he got.This team has all of the offensive
support they need but until they get some pitchers,we will continue to
see these types of results.I have been a Red fan for years and this
pitching staff we have is just about the worst I have seen.Make some
moves and spend some $$$ and put a decent staff together.We can
compete but we can't if we score 9 runs and give up 10 because of BAD
pitching.-- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, metcalf family
<bratcat5@c...> wrote:
> I know, I'm completely irrational when it comes to the Cardinals...
I
> am SO glad I had today off.  I don't think I could have taken the
crap
> that would have been thrown from the guys at work.  But the whole
season
> has just made me want to cry.  So much talent and it's being wasted
> right now.  With this lineup the team should be contending.  Not
> floundering. >:o
>
> Delana

Very true but let's not leave out Gullett.He is the pitching coach
and to his credit,he may not have the best of pitchers to work with
but still..They shouldn't be giving up home runs at this rate.If it
keeps up they will break last years record with ease.--- In
RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, Virgil Clausen <VClausen@s...> wrote:
> The present plight of the Reds has nothing to do with Miley, I
like him
> but am well aware he will be the first one to be sacrificed. That
is the
> nature of the "beast".
>
> Michael Jenkins wrote:
>
> >  I never thought he was the right person for the job anyway.
There
> > were
> > other managers out there at the time that would have done a
better
> > job.
> > Miley is a Minor League manager trying to move up and better off
> > staying in
> > the minors.  In his defense though the team isn't achieving like
it
> > should
> > be capable of.
> > MJ
> >
> >
> > -

I know, I'm completely irrational when it comes to the Cardinals...  I
am SO glad I had today off.  I don't think I could have taken the crap
that would have been thrown from the guys at work.  But the whole season
has just made me want to cry.  So much talent and it's being wasted
right now.  With this lineup the team should be contending.  Not
floundering. >:o

Delana

Oh, I knew you especially would find last night painful.  Don't envy
you today, that's for sure, very glad I don't live in the Cardinal
Nation today.




--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, metcalf family <bratcat5@c...> wrote:
> Last night was completely flippin' ridiculous.  To BLOW a 6 run lead
at
> the top of the 9th is inexcusable!  To blow a 4 run lead against a
team
> like the the Brewers was almost as inexcuable as last night.
>
> I just knew we were seeing the real team in that first series against
> the Astros.
>
> Delana

Last night was completely flippin' ridiculous.  To BLOW a 6 run lead at
the top of the 9th is inexcusable!  To blow a 4 run lead against a team
like the the Brewers was almost as inexcuable as last night.

I just knew we were seeing the real team in that first series against
the Astros.

Delana

dooleyville wrote:

 The fans booed Graves as he walked off the field after his first blown
save in nine chances. The Reds have blown leads of four, five, and now
six runs since last Wednesday.

``It's frustrating, but what's even more frustrating is hearing the
fans boo you in your own ballpark,'' Graves said. ``We're out there
trying the best we can. That's not the first time it's happened, and as
long as I'll be playing, it won't be the last.''

You know, generally, I'm slow to boo.  I generally don't like it. . .

however. . .

sometimes you DESERVE to hear boos and last night was one of those
times.  I'm sorry if poor little Danny's feeling got hurt, but when you
blow a lead like that in the ninth inning, you've got it coming.
 
 

Michael Jenkins wrote:

 I never thought he was the right person for the job anyway.  There were
other managers out there at the time that would have done a better job.
Miley is a Minor League manager trying to move up and better off staying in
the minors.  In his defense though the team isn't achieving like it should
be capable of.
MJ
 

-

"Barry D. Scheffel" wrote:

 
Or maybe Dan O'Brien is the one who gets the ax? He's the one who
rebuilt the bullpen.
 
 
 

The fans booed Graves as he walked off the field after his first blown
save in nine chances. The Reds have blown leads of four, five, and now
six runs since last Wednesday.

``It's frustrating, but what's even more frustrating is hearing the
fans boo you in your own ballpark,'' Graves said. ``We're out there
trying the best we can. That's not the first time it's happened, and as
long as I'll be playing, it won't be the last.''

You know, generally, I'm slow to boo.  I generally don't like it. . .

however. . .

sometimes you DESERVE to hear boos and last night was one of those
times.  I'm sorry if poor little Danny's feeling got hurt, but when you
blow a lead like that in the ninth inning, you've got it coming.

Still a major hurdle to over come to even get to the interviewing part
anyway.  Chances are remote it would happen.
MJ


----- Original Message -----
From: "dooleyville" <dooleyville@...>
To: <RedsFest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:10 PM
Subject: [RedsFest] Re: Selig: No changes in Rose's status


> --- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Jenkins"
> <bigsteelerfan1@m...> wrote:
> > I've always felt that Pete got a bunch of average talented players
> to over
> > achieve to even get those 2nd place finishes.  He may get into the
> Hall but
> > I have my doubts if they'll ever allow him to manage.  I think that
> may be
> > what is holding it all up.  He won't budge on that part.
> > MJ
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dooleyville" <dooleyville@y...>
> > To: <RedsFest@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:50 PM
> > Subject: [RedsFest] Re: Selig: No changes in Rose's status
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know, but someone need to keep you on your toes.  ; D
> > >
> > > I feel the same way as you state down there.  I think the only
> thing
> > > we differ on is on wanting him to be the manager.  I'm of the
> opinion
> > > that he was a mediocre manager (lots of second-place finishes with
> > > first-place talent) and we wouldn't want him back anyhow.
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Listen to Dunner he is right.
MJ


----- Original Message -----
From: "Virgil Clausen" <VClausen@...>
To: <RedsFest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: [RedsFest] Good quote


> "It's everything," Adam Dunn said. "We're not hitting, we're not
> pitching. It's
>                     definitely a team deal right now."
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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I never thought he was the right person for the job anyway.  There were
other managers out there at the time that would have done a better job.
Miley is a Minor League manager trying to move up and better off staying in
the minors.  In his defense though the team isn't achieving like it should
be capable of.
MJ


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry D. Scheffel" <scheffbd@...>
To: <redsfest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:12 AM
Subject: [RedsFest] Fate of Miley


>
> I saw someone put up a poll asking if Dave Miley would be fired at the
> all star break or end of season. At this point I think it's very
> possible the Reds will be 10+ games out on June 1st and Miley is asked
> to find something else to do with his time. Whether he deserves it or
> not, the manager takes the fall.
>
> Or maybe Dan O'Brien is the one who gets the ax? He's the one who
> rebuilt the bullpen.
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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I saw someone put up a poll asking if Dave Miley would be fired at the
all star break or end of season. At this point I think it's very
possible the Reds will be 10+ games out on June 1st and Miley is asked
to find something else to do with his time. Whether he deserves it or
not, the manager takes the fall.

Or maybe Dan O'Brien is the one who gets the ax? He's the one who
rebuilt the bullpen.

"It's everything," Adam Dunn said. "We're not hitting, we're not
pitching. It's
                     definitely a team deal right now."

Sorry about the empty post. If you're not in the reply window and
hit "return" it activates the send button.  Oh well.

Anyhow, I agree with you on the part about his wanting to be able to
manage holding up Pete getting reinstated.  Stubborn. Hard to say
though.  He has no shortage of enemies and he broke the most sacred
rule of baseball, one that has been around since the 1800s.

Now, about that "over achieve to even get those 2nd place finishes"
part, I don't agree at all.  In 1990, Sweet Lou took them all the way
to a World Series Title, truely an over-achievement.  It disproves
your assertion regarding Rose's use of the Reds talent.  We've
covered this before, I know.

I could only see him as good for two things, a hitting coach or a
scout.  I just wouldn't want someone who makes such lousy decisions
for himself making decisions for the team on the field.

Had he at least won a division title, I'd concede the point.  But if
you finish second and can't fall back on a wild card, you're no
better off than the team that finished last.



--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Jenkins"
<bigsteelerfan1@m...> wrote:
> I've always felt that Pete got a bunch of average talented players
to .  He may get into the Hall but
> I have my doubts if they'll ever allow him to manage.  I think that
may be
> what is holding it all up.  He won't budge on that part.
> MJ
>

--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Jenkins"
<bigsteelerfan1@m...> wrote:
> I've always felt that Pete got a bunch of average talented players
to over
> achieve to even get those 2nd place finishes.  He may get into the
Hall but
> I have my doubts if they'll ever allow him to manage.  I think that
may be
> what is holding it all up.  He won't budge on that part.
> MJ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dooleyville" <dooleyville@y...>
> To: <RedsFest@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:50 PM
> Subject: [RedsFest] Re: Selig: No changes in Rose's status
>
>
> >
> >
> > I know, but someone need to keep you on your toes.  ; D
> >
> > I feel the same way as you state down there.  I think the only
thing
> > we differ on is on wanting him to be the manager.  I'm of the
opinion
> > that he was a mediocre manager (lots of second-place finishes with
> > first-place talent) and we wouldn't want him back anyhow.

--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Jenkins"
<bigsteelerfan1@m...> wrote:
> I've always felt that Pete got a bunch of average talented players
to over
> achieve to even get those 2nd place finishes.  He may get into the
Hall but
> I have my doubts if they'll ever allow him to manage.  I think that
may be
> what is holding it all up.  He won't budge on that part.
> MJ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dooleyville" <dooleyville@y...>
> To: <RedsFest@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:50 PM
> Subject: [RedsFest] Re: Selig: No changes in Rose's status
>
>
> >
> >
> > I know, but someone need to keep you on your toes.  ; D
> >
> > I feel the same way as you state down there.  I think the only
thing
> > we differ on is on wanting him to be the manager.  I'm of the
opinion
> > that he was a mediocre manager (lots of second-place finishes with
> > first-place talent) and we wouldn't want him back anyhow.

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
RedsFest group:

If the Club has a losing record at the All Star break and
still struggling should Miley be replaced?

   o Yes - Immediately
   o No - Too Soon
   o At Seasons End


To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
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web site listed above.

Thanks!

I've always felt that Pete got a bunch of average talented players to over
achieve to even get those 2nd place finishes.  He may get into the Hall but
I have my doubts if they'll ever allow him to manage.  I think that may be
what is holding it all up.  He won't budge on that part.
MJ


----- Original Message -----
From: "dooleyville" <dooleyville@...>
To: <RedsFest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:50 PM
Subject: [RedsFest] Re: Selig: No changes in Rose's status


>
>
> I know, but someone need to keep you on your toes.  ; D
>
> I feel the same way as you state down there.  I think the only thing
> we differ on is on wanting him to be the manager.  I'm of the opinion
> that he was a mediocre manager (lots of second-place finishes with
> first-place talent) and we wouldn't want him back anyhow.