Tim, as the resident Cubs fan on the board, Forget
About It!!! No way the Cubs will trade either Zambrano
or Wood.

jim in indiana


--- Tim Hunt <thuntt3@...> wrote:

> Ohhh Yea,
>
> I forgot about this rumor... and remember this is
> only if Sammy gets traded to the Nationals or the
> Mets.
>
> I heard that if Sosa is gone they are going to go
> after Austin... for exchange of either Zambrano or
> Kerry Wood.  Since Sammy will be gone they have
> nobody to play right field.  They also love
> Austin.... or should I say hate him. hahaha.  I
> think that the only games that the Reds have won
> over the last two years against the Cubs Austin
> Kearns has had a game winning home run or RBI hit.
>
> We shall see.... would love to have Zambrano also...
>  I just don't want to give up Austin...
>
>
>
> Jim Hekel <jhekelcubs@...> wrote:
> A lot of Cubs fans are upset at the lack of deals.
> But
> I really think the team is still sitting pretty good
> in the division. There are question marks to be
> sure.
> Sounds like Ryan Dempster is going to be converted
> into the closer unless Joe Borowski proves in Spring
> Training that he is 100 percent healthy. Also, the
> Cubs will probably go with a platoon in LF of rookie
> Jason DuBois (31 HR, 99 RBI at AAA) and veteran Todd
> Hollandsworth and maybe David Kelton. Glendon Rusch
> was resigned to be the fifth starter. Nomar is back
> at
> SS and reportedly healthy and Todd Walker returns as
> the fulltime 2B.
>
> jim in indiana
>
>
> --- Virgil Clausen <VClausen@...> wrote:
>
> > Actually Jim those weren't my words they came from
> > the sportswriter for
> > the Enquirer as I posted in my previous post, I
> had
> > wondered about the
> > option thing for a long time, this was one of the
> > reasons the Reds
> > balked at bring up Claussen. I believe you are a
> > Cubs fan, what is your
> > assessment of their winter activities? Do you
> think
> > they will keep
> > Sammy? I know this is a Reds group but the Cubs
> are
> > in the division with
> > us and would be curious on your take on the Cubs.
> > Virg.
> >
> > Jim Hekel wrote:
> >
> > > Virgil;
> > >
> > > I think you are generally correct, but players
> > with
> > > more than six years can still file for
> arbitration
> > > rather than becoming free agents. A good example
> > is
> > > Roger Clemens. The Astros offered him
> arbitration.
> > He
> > > could have either accepted or declined and
> become
> > a
> > > free agent. It's not common, but it happens.
> Most
> > > times the players and teams agree to terms
> before
> > the
> > > arbitration hearing, but not always.
> > >
> > > I remember years ago Bob Stanley of the Red Sox
> > went
> > > through the arbitration process. His agent
> > presented
> > > charts showing Stanley was the sixth best
> pitcher
> > in
> > > the American League. The Red Sox presented
> charts
> > > showing that Stanley was the sixth best pitcher
> on
> > the
> > > team!
> > >
> > > jim in indiana
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> >
>
>
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A lot of Cubs fans are upset at the lack of deals. But
I really think the team is still sitting pretty good
in the division. There are question marks to be sure.
Sounds like Ryan Dempster is going to be converted
into the closer unless Joe Borowski proves in Spring
Training that he is 100 percent healthy. Also, the
Cubs will probably go with a platoon in LF of rookie
Jason DuBois (31 HR, 99 RBI at AAA) and veteran Todd
Hollandsworth and maybe David Kelton. Glendon Rusch
was resigned to be the fifth starter. Nomar is back at
SS and reportedly healthy and Todd Walker returns as
the fulltime 2B.

jim in indiana


--- Virgil Clausen <VClausen@...> wrote:

> Actually Jim those weren't my words they came from
> the sportswriter for
> the Enquirer as I posted in my previous post, I had
> wondered about the
> option thing for a long time, this was one of the
> reasons the Reds
> balked at bring up Claussen. I believe you are a
> Cubs fan, what is your
> assessment of their winter activities? Do you think
> they will keep
> Sammy? I know this is a Reds group but the Cubs are
> in the division with
> us and would be curious on your take on the Cubs.
> Virg.
>
> Jim Hekel wrote:
>
> > Virgil;
> >
> > I think you are generally correct, but players
> with
> > more than six years can still file for arbitration
> > rather than becoming free agents. A good example
> is
> > Roger Clemens. The Astros offered him arbitration.
> He
> > could have either accepted or declined and become
> a
> > free agent. It's not common, but it happens. Most
> > times the players and teams agree to terms before
> the
> > arbitration hearing, but not always.
> >
> > I remember years ago Bob Stanley of the Red Sox
> went
> > through the arbitration process. His agent
> presented
> > charts showing Stanley was the sixth best pitcher
> in
> > the American League. The Red Sox presented charts
> > showing that Stanley was the sixth best pitcher on
> the
> > team!
> >
> > jim in indiana
> >
> >
> > -
>



           
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Read in the paper today that Barry's agent is telling interested teams
that he thinks Barry will retire to the front office, he is in close
touch with Trader Jim in Washington and will probably end up there in
the front office according to present reports.
Virg.

Read in the paper today that Barry's agent is telling interested teams
that he thinks Barry will retire to the front office, he is in close
touch with Trader Jim in Washington and will probably end up there in
the front office according to present reports.
Virg.

Jim Hekel wrote:

A lot of Cubs fans are upset at the lack of deals. But
I really think the team is still sitting pretty good
in the division. There are question marks to be sure.
Sounds like Ryan Dempster is going to be converted
into the closer unless Joe Borowski proves in Spring
Training that he is 100 percent healthy. Also, the
Cubs will probably go with a platoon in LF of rookie
Jason DuBois (31 HR, 99 RBI at AAA) and veteran Todd
Hollandsworth and maybe David Kelton. Glendon Rusch
was resigned to be the fifth starter. Nomar is back at
SS and reportedly healthy and Todd Walker returns as
the fulltime 2B.

jim in indiana
 

--- Virgil Clausen <VClausen@...> wrote:

> Actually Jim those weren't my words they came from
> the sportswriter for
> the Enquirer as I posted in my previous post, I had
> wondered about the
> option thing for a long time, this was one of the
> reasons the Reds
> balked at bring up Claussen. I believe you are a
> Cubs fan, what is your
> assessment of their winter activities? Do you think
> they will keep
> Sammy? I know this is a Reds group but the Cubs are
> in the division with
> us and would be curious on your take on the Cubs.
> Virg.
>
> Jim Hekel wrote:
>
> > Virgil;
> >
> > I think you are generally correct, but players
> with
> > more than six years can still file for arbitration
> > rather than becoming free agents. A good example
> is
> > Roger Clemens. The Astros offered him arbitration.
> He
> > could have either accepted or declined and become
> a
> > free agent. It's not common, but it happens. Most
> > times the players and teams agree to terms before
> the
> > arbitration hearing, but not always.
> >
> > I remember years ago Bob Stanley of the Red Sox
> went
> > through the arbitration process. His agent
> presented
> > charts showing Stanley was the sixth best pitcher
> in
> > the American League. The Red Sox presented charts
> > showing that Stanley was the sixth best pitcher on
> the
> > team!
> >
> > jim in indiana
> >
> >
> > -
>
 
 
 

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Oh forgot to answer your first question. Yes, I
believe Sammy will be back and will have a big year.

jim in indiana


--- Virgil Clausen <VClausen@...> wrote:

> Actually Jim those weren't my words they came from
> the sportswriter for
> the Enquirer as I posted in my previous post, I had
> wondered about the
> option thing for a long time, this was one of the
> reasons the Reds
> balked at bring up Claussen. I believe you are a
> Cubs fan, what is your
> assessment of their winter activities? Do you think
> they will keep
> Sammy? I know this is a Reds group but the Cubs are
> in the division with
> us and would be curious on your take on the Cubs.
> Virg.
>
> Jim Hekel wrote:
>
> > Virgil;
> >
> > I think you are generally correct, but players
> with
> > more than six years can still file for arbitration
> > rather than becoming free agents. A good example
> is
> > Roger Clemens. The Astros offered him arbitration.
> He
> > could have either accepted or declined and become
> a
> > free agent. It's not common, but it happens. Most
> > times the players and teams agree to terms before
> the
> > arbitration hearing, but not always.
> >
> > I remember years ago Bob Stanley of the Red Sox
> went
> > through the arbitration process. His agent
> presented
> > charts showing Stanley was the sixth best pitcher
> in
> > the American League. The Red Sox presented charts
> > showing that Stanley was the sixth best pitcher on
> the
> > team!
> >
> > jim in indiana
> >
> >
> > -
>




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A lot of Cubs fans are upset at the lack of deals. But
I really think the team is still sitting pretty good
in the division. There are question marks to be sure.
Sounds like Ryan Dempster is going to be converted
into the closer unless Joe Borowski proves in Spring
Training that he is 100 percent healthy. Also, the
Cubs will probably go with a platoon in LF of rookie
Jason DuBois (31 HR, 99 RBI at AAA) and veteran Todd
Hollandsworth and maybe David Kelton. Glendon Rusch
was resigned to be the fifth starter. Nomar is back at
SS and reportedly healthy and Todd Walker returns as
the fulltime 2B.

jim in indiana


--- Virgil Clausen <VClausen@...> wrote:

> Actually Jim those weren't my words they came from
> the sportswriter for
> the Enquirer as I posted in my previous post, I had
> wondered about the
> option thing for a long time, this was one of the
> reasons the Reds
> balked at bring up Claussen. I believe you are a
> Cubs fan, what is your
> assessment of their winter activities? Do you think
> they will keep
> Sammy? I know this is a Reds group but the Cubs are
> in the division with
> us and would be curious on your take on the Cubs.
> Virg.
>
> Jim Hekel wrote:
>
> > Virgil;
> >
> > I think you are generally correct, but players
> with
> > more than six years can still file for arbitration
> > rather than becoming free agents. A good example
> is
> > Roger Clemens. The Astros offered him arbitration.
> He
> > could have either accepted or declined and become
> a
> > free agent. It's not common, but it happens. Most
> > times the players and teams agree to terms before
> the
> > arbitration hearing, but not always.
> >
> > I remember years ago Bob Stanley of the Red Sox
> went
> > through the arbitration process. His agent
> presented
> > charts showing Stanley was the sixth best pitcher
> in
> > the American League. The Red Sox presented charts
> > showing that Stanley was the sixth best pitcher on
> the
> > team!
> >
> > jim in indiana
> >
> >
> > -
>




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Tim Hunt wrote:

 
Hello Virg !  I agree with you on the things that you said.  I also
think they are making a huge mistake by not getting rid of one of the
outfielders.  Especially since you have Freel backing them all up.
Me personally I would get rid of Willy Mo or Dunn before I would get
rid of Austin.  Austin is just such a good hitter.  They just have to
find a way to keep that guy healthy.  Not to mention he is a KY guy
and a lifetime Reds fan.  You keep those guys on your squad no matter
what.  I think the other guy you were thinking about was Hudson.
Personally I don't know if any of them are good enough to be starters
in the majors.  They have shown flashes but I am just not sold yet.
Claussen gets the benifit of the doubt because he is a lefthander.
 

Jim Hekel wrote:

Virgil;

I think you are generally correct, but players with
more than six years can still file for arbitration
rather than becoming free agents. A good example is
Roger Clemens. The Astros offered him arbitration. He
could have either accepted or declined and become a
free agent. It's not common, but it happens. Most
times the players and teams agree to terms before the
arbitration hearing, but not always.

I remember years ago Bob Stanley of the Red Sox went
through the arbitration process. His agent presented
charts showing Stanley was the sixth best pitcher in
the American League. The Red Sox presented charts
showing that Stanley was the sixth best pitcher on the
team!

jim in indiana
 

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Hello Virg !  I agree with you on the things that you said.  I also
think they are making a huge mistake by not getting rid of one of the
outfielders.  Especially since you have Freel backing them all up.
Me personally I would get rid of Willy Mo or Dunn before I would get
rid of Austin.  Austin is just such a good hitter.  They just have to
find a way to keep that guy healthy.  Not to mention he is a KY guy
and a lifetime Reds fan.  You keep those guys on your squad no matter
what.  I think the other guy you were thinking about was Hudson.
Personally I don't know if any of them are good enough to be starters
in the majors.  They have shown flashes but I am just not sold yet.
Claussen gets the benifit of the doubt because he is a lefthander.

--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, Virgil Clausen <VClausen@s...> wrote:
> Welcome Tim, always nice to have another fellow Reds fan, sometimes
this
> group is active but lately has been quiet which surprises me as
there
> have been significant moves by the Reds this winter. Saw the Furcal
for
> Kearns thing in the paper the other day, from what I am reading the
Reds
> are happy to have the glut of outfielders with the injury history of
> Junior and Austin. They definitely have improved the starting
pitching,
> setup and relief pitching, and thirdbase, all weak areas that
needed to
> be addressed. Spring training will be interesting as the Reds have
three
> young pitchers that are out of options and I don't think they will
clear
> waivers, Hancock, Claussen, can't remember the third one right now.
It
> is interesting that the Reds have a countdown clock on their
website, it
> is counting down by the seconds till spring training. I noticed
someone
> asked in the mailbag in the Cincinnati Enquirer about options and
> arbitration and I copied the answers as I was interested for my own
> knowledge, will forward it in separate message.
> Virg.
>
>
>
> Tim Hunt wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I have heard a few rumors... I have heard Furcal for Austin
Kearns...
> > (which I hope doesn't happen) If they really want to get rid of
the
> > an outfielder I have no idea why they have not gone to Florida to
try
> > to get A.J Burnett.  That is really the only player I would give
up
> > for Austin.  Even Casey has said he is the best hitter on the
team.
> > They just have to find some way to keep him healthy.  Remember
how he
> > had 44 RBI in the first 2 months of the season ?  (Before he ran
into
> > that big tub of gue in Ray King.
> >
> > By the way, new to the group... love talking Reds so I hope this
is
> > very active.
> >
> >
> >

Virgil;

I think you are generally correct, but players with
more than six years can still file for arbitration
rather than becoming free agents. A good example is
Roger Clemens. The Astros offered him arbitration. He
could have either accepted or declined and become a
free agent. It's not common, but it happens. Most
times the players and teams agree to terms before the
arbitration hearing, but not always.

I remember years ago Bob Stanley of the Red Sox went
through the arbitration process. His agent presented
charts showing Stanley was the sixth best pitcher in
the American League. The Red Sox presented charts
showing that Stanley was the sixth best pitcher on the
team!

jim in indiana


--- Virgil Clausen <VClausen@...> wrote:

> Great questions. This may take awhile, but I'll try
> my best to explain
> it.
>
> Arbitration happens when a team and a player cannot
> agree on a contract.
> Each
> side picks a figure and they go to a hearing where
> an impartial third
> party
> hears from both sides and chooses one number or
> another. There can't be
> a
> compromise.
>
> Of course there are qualifications. To be eligible
> for arbitration, a
> player
> must have three or more years of Major League
> service, but fewer than
> six years
> (players become eligible for free agency after six
> years of service) to
> file
> for salary arbitration (and they always do).
>
> There is one exception to the more than three, less
> than six rule. A
> player can
> be classified as a "Super Two" and be eligible for
> arbitration with less
> than
> three years of service.
>
> A player with at least two -- but fewer than three
> -- years of Major
> League
> service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if
> he has accumulated
> at least
> 86 days of service during the immediately preceding
> season. He also must
> rank
> in the top 17 percent in total service in that class
> of players to be a
> "Super
> Two."
>
> On to options.
>
> When a player is added to a team's 40-man roster for
> the first time, he
> has
> three "option" years. During this period, the club
> can send him to the
> minor
> leagues without him having to clear waivers. There
> is no limit to the
> number of
> times he can be sent down and recalled in a season.
> Each year that he is
> sent
> to the minors counts as one option.
>
> Once a player is out of options, he must clear
> waivers to be sent back
> to the
> minors, which means any of the 30 Major League teams
> can claim him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




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Great questions. This may take awhile, but I'll try my best to explain
it.

Arbitration happens when a team and a player cannot agree on a contract.
Each
side picks a figure and they go to a hearing where an impartial third
party
hears from both sides and chooses one number or another. There can't be
a
compromise.

Of course there are qualifications. To be eligible for arbitration, a
player
must have three or more years of Major League service, but fewer than
six years
(players become eligible for free agency after six years of service) to
file
for salary arbitration (and they always do).

There is one exception to the more than three, less than six rule. A
player can
be classified as a "Super Two" and be eligible for arbitration with less
than
three years of service.

A player with at least two -- but fewer than three -- years of Major
League
service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if he has accumulated
at least
86 days of service during the immediately preceding season. He also must
rank
in the top 17 percent in total service in that class of players to be a
"Super
Two."

On to options.

When a player is added to a team's 40-man roster for the first time, he
has
three "option" years. During this period, the club can send him to the
minor
leagues without him having to clear waivers. There is no limit to the
number of
times he can be sent down and recalled in a season. Each year that he is
sent
to the minors counts as one option.

Once a player is out of options, he must clear waivers to be sent back
to the
minors, which means any of the 30 Major League teams can claim him.

Tim Hunt wrote:

 

I have heard a few rumors... I have heard Furcal for Austin Kearns...
(which I hope doesn't happen) If they really want to get rid of the
an outfielder I have no idea why they have not gone to Florida to try
to get A.J Burnett.  That is really the only player I would give up
for Austin.  Even Casey has said he is the best hitter on the team.
They just have to find some way to keep him healthy.  Remember how he
had 44 RBI in the first 2 months of the season ?  (Before he ran into
that big tub of gue in Ray King.

By the way, new to the group... love talking Reds so I hope this is
very active.
 
 
 

I have heard a few rumors... I have heard Furcal for Austin Kearns...
(which I hope doesn't happen) If they really want to get rid of the
an outfielder I have no idea why they have not gone to Florida to try
to get A.J Burnett.  That is really the only player I would give up
for Austin.  Even Casey has said he is the best hitter on the team.
They just have to find some way to keep him healthy.  Remember how he
had 44 RBI in the first 2 months of the season ?  (Before he ran into
that big tub of gue in Ray King.

By the way, new to the group... love talking Reds so I hope this is
very active.



--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "MJ" <jjenkins@t...> wrote:
> Heard on ESPN Radio this morning that allot of teams are calling
the Reds up and offering pitching for Kearns or Dunn since they have
a surplus of Out Fielders right now.  Mostly teams looking to add
offense.  Would the Reds pull the trigger after refusing too for so
long?
> <MJ>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jim Hekel
>   To: RedsFest@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:56 AM
>   Subject: Re: [RedsFest] I'm impressed
>
>
>   But the difference is that the Yankees were looking at
>   Milton as a No. 5 starter.
>
>   jim in indiana
>
>
>   --- "Barry D. Scheffel" <scheffbd@m...> wrote:
>
>   > Virgil Clausen wrote:
>   >
>   > >
>   > > With the signing of Milton a decent #2 left handed
>   > starter, I must say
>   > > I am happily
>   > > impressed by the Reds moves in recent weeks. They
>   > have addressed the
>   > > third base
>   > > problem, will be stronger there than last year.
>   > They have definitely
>   > > strengthened the
>   > > bullpen, so glad to see Mercker back. With Jimenez
>   > back at second we
>   > > are also stronger
>   > > with the best utility man in baseball(Freel) on
>   > the bench.  I don't
>   > > understand the worry
>   > > about four outfielders with Junior's recent injury
>   > history. What
>   > > really caught my eye are a
>   > > lot of these signing are for multiple years. Looks
>   > like an interesting
>   > > team will be on the
>   > > field next year, can't wait. Looks like they have
>   > upped the payroll
>   > > about ten million over
>   > > last year, like I said, I for one am happily
>   > impressed.
>   > > Virg.
>   > >
>   >
>   > I think Milton is easily the Reds #1. And the first
>   > #1 who deserves to
>   > be a #1 in a long time. This is someone the Yankees
>   > were interested in afterall.  I'm shocked the Reds
>   > talked to him, let
>   > alone get him to sign. It seems baseball has managed
>   > to
>   > get some salary restraint though, two or three years
>   > ago an identical
>   > pitcher would cost $10-12 million a year.
>   >
>   >
>
>
>
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Does anyone know if there is a website regarding the salary's paid to
the mlb managers, or where that information can be obtained?

Gang;

There has been a lot of speculation on many groups I
am a member of about the 10 position players in the
game. This debate is directly linked to the signing of
Carlos Beltran for a ridiculous amount of money. So I
sat down to write my top 10 players list. Would love
to see yours and reasons why my list is a bunch of
baloney. LOL!

10. Derek Jeter, SS, Yankees. Very good money player.
Always gives his all. Has intangibles that are beyond
measure.

9. Adrian Beltre, 3B, Mariners. Had a great breakout
season. Will move up on my list as he proves last year
was no fluke.

8. Manny Ramirez, LF, Red Sox. Can't argue with the
numbers on offense. He's an adventure in LF and his
attitude is not great, but man can he hit.

7. Todd Helton, 1B, Rockies. Great hitter. Good
clubhouse guy. Not bad on defense.

6. Scott Rolen, 3B, Cardinals. Had his best offensive
season and continues to be magical with the glove.

5. Vlad Guerrero, RF, Angels. Great stick. Great
attitude. Awesome arm. Good leader.

4. Alex Rodriquez, 3B, Yankees. Can't believe I have
him rated this low. May be back to the No. 1 spot by
the end of next year.

3. Miguel Tejada, SS, Orioles. Knocked in 150 runs,
very much underrated with the glove. He does it all.

2. Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals. Awesome young hitter,
not a great defensive guy, but versatile enough to
play effectively at LF, RF, 3B and 1B.

1. Barry Bonds, LF, Giants. Awesome old hitter. Not
what he once was of defense, but still gets the job
done. Most dominating hitter since the Babe.

jim in indiana

Let the debate begin!



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