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Reds minority owner Marge Schott sues over seat allocation
             Feb. 3, 2003
             SportsLine.com wire reports




       CINCINNATI -- Reds owner Carl Lindner is in Marge Schott's doghouse.



The team's former owner sued Lindner's Great American Insurance Co. on
Monday over the seats she was given in the club's new ballpark, which opens
March 31.

Schott's lawsuit in Hamilton County Common Pleas Court made public her
dispute with Lindner, who bought control of the Reds from Schott in 1999.

Schott asks that the court determine the seats she is entitled to in the new
stadium. She said the 1999 agreement under which she sold control of the
Reds guarantees her use of the premium-section seats.

The Reds say she is entitled to use of the owners' suite but is asking for
benefits not included in the sale agreement. The team says the benefits
would be greater than those afforded to any other Reds owner.

"We are confident that the matter will be resolved quickly in our favor by
the court," the Reds said in a statement. "For now, we prefer to focus on
baseball and the opening of Great American Ball Park."

Schott's lawsuit says she had use of a private box at the Reds' old stadium,
Cinergy Field, and 21 blue-level seats that were grouped together and near
the playing field. But in the new ballpark, the seats allocated to Schott
are scattered about the stadium and are at the back of the premium section.

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Schott and her two auto dealerships
against the Great American Insurance Co., of which Lindner is chairman.
Great American bought the naming rights for the Great American Ball Park,
which opens March 31 when the Reds host the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Schott, 74, became the team's controlling owner and was known throughout
baseball for bringing her dogs, Schottzie and later Schottzie 02, on the
field before games. She was suspended by baseball for one year in 1993 for
using racial and ethnic slurs.

Her lawsuit asks the court to declare that she is entitled to comparable
seats in the new stadium which are grouped together and near the playing
field. Schott also asks the court to rule that she has an "unconditional
right to use a similarly situated private box in the new stadium occupied by
the Reds, up to one hour before and after each home game."

Schott and her lawyer, Mark Wasserman, could not be reached for comment.
Lindner, through spokeswoman Sandra Heimann, declined to comment.

"You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of the world,
you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out who are
really your friends."

I don't get it either.  He sure seems to have it in for Pete though.  There are people yes in the Hall that I feel did far more worse things than Pete did. 

Diehard

It was only at first that I had them confused because I knew they
were both Indians and I was trying to figure out why this guy had
ground his ax to a razor's edge over Rose.  Before I looked up
Feller, the only thing I could picture was that collision at home
that's been replayed every other All Star Game. 

I still don't get it, what's Rose to Feller?  He missed pitching
against Rose by what 3 or 4 years, he wasn't on the committee
investigating him, what gives? 

And it's not as if half the guys in the Hall didn't have cruddy
personalities.  Cobb was such a virulent racist that he was known to
dive into grandstands and attack any African-Americans that happened
to be sitting close enough for him to get to.  And the Babe was known
for his drinking, gluttony, and womanizing.  It's the Baseball Hall
of Fame, not Heaven!

Feller, of course.  I wouldn't trust Rose further than I could throw
him, but he was one of the all time greatest baseball players and
must eventually be inducted.

I just yelled something to the effect of "why don't you get off Pete
Rose's jock" as I walked by, but I got the distinct impression that
Feller is used to being jered by Reds fans.

It was only at first that I had them confused because I knew they
were both Indians and I was trying to figure out why this guy had
ground his ax to a razor's edge over Rose.  Before I looked up
Feller, the only thing I could picture was that collision at home
that's been replayed every other All Star Game.

I still don't get it, what's Rose to Feller?  He missed pitching
against Rose by what 3 or 4 years, he wasn't on the committee
investigating him, what gives?

And it's not as if half the guys in the Hall didn't have cruddy
personalities.  Cobb was such a virulent racist that he was known to
dive into grandstands and attack any African-Americans that happened
to be sitting close enough for him to get to.  And the Babe was known
for his drinking, gluttony, and womanizing.  It's the Baseball Hall
of Fame, not Heaven!

--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Diehardsteeler"
<diehardsteeler@s...> wrote:
> Pete should just pay the bill then they wouldn't have any ammo to
throw at him anymore.  As for museums the best I ever went to was the
Smithsonian in Washington DC.  I've never been to the Hall of Fame or
Canton either but would love to one day.  Who did you heckle Rose or
that jerk Feller.  Fosse was the guy Rose ran over in the All Star
game I believe.  He was never the same after that.
> Diehardsteeler
>
>
>   I really think the baseball world, including the media, are
pretty
>   evenly split.  It's just one of those defining issues like
artificial
>   turf and the designated hitter.
>
>   When the Rose haters have it their way, they don't have much to
say
>   (except, apparently Bob Feller).  Then, when it looks like he
might
>   get back in, they mobilize.  That's what we are seeing presently.
>
>   And what is Bob Feller's deal anyhow.  At first, I had him
confused
>   with Ray Fosse, which would have given him an axe to grind.  Then
I
>   found out this guy was retired long before Rose ever stepped onto
a
>   major league diamond.
>
>   I did heckle him as I walked past his little autograph booth on
the
>   way back to my car after visiting the Hall.  If you haven't gone,
you
>   have to go.  It was the best museum trip I've ever taken.
>
>   GO REDS
>
>   --- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Diehardsteeler"
>   <diehardsteeler@s...> wrote:
>   > It just seems like to me they were just teasing us and now are
>   trying to pull the rug out from under him.
>   > Diehard
>
>
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I really think the baseball world, including the media, are pretty
evenly split.  It's just one of those defining issues like artificial
turf and the designated hitter.

When the Rose haters have it their way, they don't have much to say
(except, apparently Bob Feller).  Then, when it looks like he might
get back in, they mobilize.  That's what we are seeing presently.

And what is Bob Feller's deal anyhow.  At first, I had him confused
with Ray Fosse, which would have given him an axe to grind.  Then I
found out this guy was retired long before Rose ever stepped onto a
major league diamond. 

I did heckle him as I walked past his little autograph booth on the
way back to my car after visiting the Hall.  If you haven't gone, you
have to go.  It was the best museum trip I've ever taken. 

GO REDS

--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Diehardsteeler"
<diehardsteeler@s...> wrote:
> It just seems like to me they were just teasing us and now are
trying to pull the rug out from under him.
> Diehard



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--- In CincinnatiReds@yahoogroups.com, Virgil Clausen <VClausen@s...>
wrote:
I was fortunate enough to be able to attend games at Crosley Field. It
was special to watch Wally Post bang one off the laundry behind the
left
field wall. It was neat to sit in the bleachers, Sun Deck in the day,
Moon Deck at night. It was especially interesting to watch an
outfielder
go up the terrace in the outfield to get a ball hit over his head,
that
was always an adventure especially for a rookie. The scoreboard where
they hand changed the scores was also a classic. It was really special
when the Dodgers came to town, what a rivalry that was. I marveled at
how quickly Jackie Robinson could steal second base, how great a
hitter
Stan Musial was, I was blessed to be able to see all those great
players.  We moved up to central Indiana in the early 50s and in 1953
I
took the train down to see the All Star Game. I was a Big Klu, Ted
Kluszewski, fan as I have already noted in previous notes, and I
wanted
to see him play in the game. On July 14, 1953, being a sophomore in
high
school, I rode the train, got off at Cincinnati Union Terminal and
walked over to Crosley Field. It was a good game and the NL won 5-1.
Besides seeing my hero Big Klu I remember a great catch by Enos
Slaughter in right field in front of me, I had a bleacher ticket. I
also
remember how thrilled I was to see Satchel Paige, another of my
favorites, pitch in the game. After the game I walked back over to CUT
to take the train back to Kokomo, Indiana. Those are memories no one
can
take away from you and, yes, Mastercard they are priceless. When I got
older I married and moved back to Cincinnati, one of the first things
I
did was to attend more games at Crosley Field. I have a homerun ball
hit
by Vada Pinson that I got in the bleachers, I also have the picture
that
was in the Cincinnati Post that shows me after the ball. I remember
when
four of us went to a game and we were in the first row beside first
base, a foul ball was hit over our way and the second basemen came
after
it, of course we were all trying to catch the ball and looking up.
Bang,
we were hit by the second baseman trying to catch the ball but it was
three rows back behind us. He got his foot caught under the fence and
couldn't get it out and said, "Would you guys get my ------- foot
out",
we lifted the fencing and he trotted back to second base after
thanking
us, he was a newcomer by the name of Pete Rose. I got to watch he and
the Big Red Machine in many a game, would try to see at least ten
games
a year. I moved to Montana for about four years and even came back to
see a game in Riverfront. I am back and go to games as often as
possible, and yes I will be there when Riverfront comes down although
I
miss Crosley Field a lot more than I will miss Riverfront. The new
ballpark looks great and hopefully we will all get to have some of
those
priceless memories that the Reds can give us. Go Reds!
--- End forwarded message ---

"You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of the world,
you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out who are
really your friends."

I really think the baseball world, including the media, are pretty
evenly split.  It's just one of those defining issues like artificial
turf and the designated hitter.

When the Rose haters have it their way, they don't have much to say
(except, apparently Bob Feller).  Then, when it looks like he might
get back in, they mobilize.  That's what we are seeing presently.

And what is Bob Feller's deal anyhow.  At first, I had him confused
with Ray Fosse, which would have given him an axe to grind.  Then I
found out this guy was retired long before Rose ever stepped onto a
major league diamond.

I did heckle him as I walked past his little autograph booth on the
way back to my car after visiting the Hall.  If you haven't gone, you
have to go.  It was the best museum trip I've ever taken.

GO REDS

--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Diehardsteeler"
<diehardsteeler@s...> wrote:
> It just seems like to me they were just teasing us and now are
trying to pull the rug out from under him.
> Diehard

----- Original Message -----

From: easttartan

To: RedsFest@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:27 AM

Subject: Re: [RedsFest] Re: Is the Media biased against Rose?

Well, I have to agree with you there, diehard! Its amazing how all we heard was that baseball should let Pete in the Hall. Now that their actually , for the first time, looking in to doing that, everyone is putting out hurtful stuff. I'll admit alot of it has me re-thinking things, myself. But,  I believe Pete should be in the hall for his accomplishments on the field. He was the greatest hitter and should be recognized for that. I can't help but wonder why, after 13 years, that Pete hasn't really straightened up his life.  You would think that he would have worked diligently to get away from the things that are oviously hurtful to this situation. But, I guess Pete is just being Pete. You have to love him anyway!!

 Diehardsteeler <diehardsteeler@...> wrote:

Isn't it ironic that all this is coming out now when he is so close to
reinstatement?  I mean where was all this talk when he had a snow balls
chance in hell of getting into the Hall?  This sounds more like his enemies
conspiring against him.  Him getting into the hall should be about what he
did on the field and not his debts or activities off it.  None of that has
anything to do with him being the greatest hitter to play the game.
Diehardsteeler

Rose left behind trail of debt in the '90s

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Car dealer out $12,000, writes letter against reinstatement

By Robert Anglen and John Erardi
The Cincinnati Enquirer


Pete Rose has been hit with multiple court judgments and tax liens since
being banned from baseball in 1989, and the parties who are owed money in
these cases have yet to be paid by the game's all-time hits leader.

http://reds.enquirer.com/2003/02/01/wwwredrose1a1.html

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you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out who are
really your friends."


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----- Original Message -----

From: easttartan

To: cincinnatireds@yahoogroups.com ; redsfest@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:03 AM

Subject: [RedsFest] Plenty of Changes in the Works for Reds

Plenty of changes in the works for Reds By JOE KAY, AP Sports Writer February 1, 2003 CINCINNATI (AP) -- Brawny Adam Dunn batting leadoff. Closer Danny Graves throwing the first pitch. Third baseman Aaron Boone playing the other side of the infield. Faced with holes in the batting order, rotation and lineup, Cincinnati Reds manager Bob Boone is letting his mind run wild. Spring training will become his test tube. A lot of familiar names could be in awfully unfamiliar roles when the Reds open their first season in Great American Ball Park on March 31. ADVERTISEMENT ``Hopefully, we are going to complement that new stadium,'' Bob Boone said. ``We think we have the pieces in place.'' The problem is that Bob Boone isn't sure how the pieces fit. When the Reds start their spring training schedule later this month, he won't be shy about trying new things. For instance, Dunn will bat first, even though the 6-foot-6, 240-pound outfielder doesn't look or swing anything like a leadoff batter. Bob Boone likes Dunn's .400 on-base percentage last season, second-best in the lineup, and plans to let him compete with shortstop Barry Larkin for the top spot. ``He will be the biggest leadoff hitter of all time,'' Bob Boone mused. ``I've always felt that the position of leadoff hitter has to do with on-base percentage and the ability to drive in a run that we've just bunted over. Because of our limited pool of candidates, it's going to be Barry Larkin or Adam Dunn.'' Dunn, 23, hit 26 homers last season, set a franchise record with 170 strikeouts and was third in the NL with 128 walks. He also made a lot of bad decisions on the bases, often breaking too soon on a steal attempt. He stole 19 bases and was caught nine times. Nonetheless, Bob Boone is willing to let him try the top of the order. ``We're going to see how it plays out,'' he said. Bob Boone's decision to move his son to second base is less surprising. Aaron Boone demonstrated last season that he could play shortstop as Larkin's fill-in, and doesn't mind filling the position that opened up when Todd Walker was traded to Boston. Third base goes to Brandon Larson, who played in 23 games last season after his first promotion to the majors. Larson, a first-round draft pick in 1997, started working out at second base in the offseason after Walker was traded. Last month, the Reds told him he would get a chance to play third, his natural position, while Aaron Boone tried to learn second base. ``It's just been a whirlwind offseason for me, a roller coaster,'' Larson said. ``It's a testimony to the kind of person that Aaron is that he's willing to go over and try it. He's really helped the team out. If anybody can handle that change, I think it's him.'' To try to strengthen a rotation that will be the team's biggest question, Bob Boone is turning his only proven closer into a starter. Graves matched his career high with 32 saves last season, his fourth straight with 27 or more. Unable to afford a top free agent pitcher or to develop one through the farm system, the Reds are trying to piece together a rotation that will feature Graves, Jimmy Haynes, Ryan Dempster and Paul Wilson. Graves started four games at the end of last season, the start of the closer-to-starter experiment that could backfire. ``There is some risk in moving Danny Graves, and we understand that,'' Bob Boone said. ``I think he has the capability of being an even better starter than he was a closer.'' Scott Williamson becomes the closer less than two full years after reconstructive elbow surgery. In his first season back, he went 3-4 with a 2.92 ERA and eight saves, getting stronger as 2002 went along. ``Over the last month or so, he was like nails as a closer,'' pitching coach Don Gullett said. ``That's one of the reasons we're converting Danny Graves to starter.''

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Well, I have to agree with you there, diehard! Its amazing how all we heard was that baseball should let Pete in the Hall. Now that their actually , for the first time, looking in to doing that, everyone is putting out hurtful stuff. I'll admit alot of it has me re-thinking things, myself. But,  I believe Pete should be in the hall for his accomplishments on the field. He was the greatest hitter and should be recognized for that. I can't help but wonder why, after 13 years, that Pete hasn't really straightened up his life.  You would think that he would have worked diligently to get away from the things that are oviously hurtful to this situation. But, I guess Pete is just being Pete. You have to love him anyway!!

 Diehardsteeler <diehardsteeler@...> wrote:

Isn't it ironic that all this is coming out now when he is so close to
reinstatement?  I mean where was all this talk when he had a snow balls
chance in hell of getting into the Hall?  This sounds more like his enemies
conspiring against him.  Him getting into the hall should be about what he
did on the field and not his debts or activities off it.  None of that has
anything to do with him being the greatest hitter to play the game.
Diehardsteeler

Rose left behind trail of debt in the '90s

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Car dealer out $12,000, writes letter against reinstatement

By Robert Anglen and John Erardi
The Cincinnati Enquirer


Pete Rose has been hit with multiple court judgments and tax liens since
being banned from baseball in 1989, and the parties who are owed money in
these cases have yet to be paid by the game's all-time hits leader.

http://reds.enquirer.com/2003/02/01/wwwredrose1a1.html

"You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of the world,
you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out who are
really your friends."


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Isn't it ironic that all this is coming out now when he is so close to
reinstatement?  I mean where was all this talk when he had a snow balls
chance in hell of getting into the Hall?  This sounds more like his enemies
conspiring against him.  Him getting into the hall should be about what he
did on the field and not his debts or activities off it.  None of that has
anything to do with him being the greatest hitter to play the game.
Diehardsteeler

Rose left behind trail of debt in the '90s

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Car dealer out $12,000, writes letter against reinstatement

By Robert Anglen and John Erardi
The Cincinnati Enquirer


Pete Rose has been hit with multiple court judgments and tax liens since
being banned from baseball in 1989, and the parties who are owed money in
these cases have yet to be paid by the game's all-time hits leader.

http://reds.enquirer.com/2003/02/01/wwwredrose1a1.html

"You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of the world,
you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out who are
really your friends."

--- In CincinnatiReds@yahoogroups.com, rick anderson
<nightimebandit@y...> wrote:
I have one more story about Crosley that I remembered
while reading your post. In 1961 my dad took me to my
first game there. Well it was my first game, I was six
years old, so you can imagine how excited I was. When
we were headed to our seats my Dad stopped at a stand
and got us two red-hots and two drinks, pepsi for me
beer for him lol. We were running a little late and
when we got to our seats the game had just started. So
he's carrying this food and sure enough, just as we
get to the seats a foul ball comes right at us. I had
no ideal what was happening, all I knew was everyone
was up and looking right at us. Then suddenly my Dad
drops the food and drinks and makes this big leap in
the air going after the ball. It hit his hand but got
away. Well afterward I kept asking him why he went for
it like that. I mean it was just a foul ball, they
come up here all the time. Forty one years later I've
still never caught one. But he did get me another dog
and coke. Best damn hot dog I ever put in my mouth.
Rick
--- Virgil Clausen <VClausen@s...> wrote:
> Thanks for the nice comments about my ramblings
> about Crosley Field,
> Rick I agree with your comments about Riverfront. It
> was to me also the
> teams not the park. Reds fans were privileged to
> watch one of the
> greatest teams to ever play baseball in the Big Red
> Machine. Those of us
> who saw them were spoiled by their success. As soon
> as I saw Pete the
> first time you knew he was going to be a great
> player, arrogant and
> thought himself above the game but still a great
> player. My son, whose
> favorite player was George Foster, now lives in the
> Bay Area and halfway
> roots for the Giants, when they move away you have
> no control over
> them(grin), always comments, "Dad, will there ever
> be a team like the
> Big Red Machine". I hope there will be one for the
> Reds again but with
> the present major league set up it will be
> difficult. My daughter loved
> Joe Morgan, what a classy guy, and sometimes when
> she would bat in
> softball she would flap her arm like he did. My wife
> at that time and my
> second wife both loved Pete Rose, women just loved
> that man. When we
> would go down to get autographs after the game at
> the players entrance
> you could watch Pete scan the crowd for the
> "lookers". We always sent
> the wives up front for the autographs and they would
> get them. Pete was
> also one of my favorite players, he had such a good
> work ethic it was
> hard not to admire what he accomplished. Griffey
> Senior was my favorite
> on the Machine though.  So, yes it was the teams in
> Riverfront for me
> too, not the stadium
>
>


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Well, I agree. I don't think anyone wants Pete in that kind of position due to the trouble it could bring their team. His verbal skills are definately not family radio material!!!

I thought Thom was with the Diamond Backs now? Has he went back to Chicago?

 "dooleyville <dooleyville@...>" <dooleyville@...> wrote:

Exactly why he should never be in a position to influence the outcome
of an individual game.  And I don't think there is even a remote
chance of it anyhow.  Uncle Carl ain't a gonna hire him as manager
and neither will anybody else.  Hitting instructor is the highest on
field position he should ever be allowed to hold.  Maybe a scout. 
Broadcasting would be OK, but I just don't really think a lot of his
verbal skills.

Thom is never going to leave the Cubs voluntarily,  I guarantee he's
making more than Uncle Carl would ever pay him.  But, we can always
dream...

--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "easttartan1987
<easttartan1987@y...>" <easttartan1987@y...> wrote:
> This Rose thing is getting nasty!!! I think Pete should have to go
> through some gamblers anonymous course, or something. How can he be
> trusted to not bet on the team he works for, if he still gambles? I
> think letting him be a coach or manager could result in bad news!!!
>
> I liked Marty's comments on Pete being in the booth with him. I
> figured Marty would have a say in who takes over for Joe. I myself,
> think it would be nice to have Thom to come and work with Marty.
But,
> I think Thom's getting more money than the Reds would probably
offer
> him.
>
> Easttartan
>
>
>
> --- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Diehardsteeler"
> <diehardsteeler@s...> wrote:
> > How can Selig reinstate Rose now?
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> --------
> > ----
> > Pete remains his own worst enemy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sept. 23, the night of the celebrity softball game that closed
> Cinergy
> > Field, Pete Rose attended the same party as Mike Bertolini. In
2003,
> > Bertolini might be as pure as a bar of Ivory soap. In 1987, he
was a
> > middleman between Rose and a New York bookie, according to the
> report
> > authored by Major League Baseball's investigator, John Dowd.
> >
> > Rose denied to Dowd that Bertolini placed bets for him; Bertolini
> wouldn't
> > talk to Dowd.
> >
> > Rose might not have said two words to Bertolini in September at
The
> > Waterfront restaurant after the softball game. It doesn't matter.
> If you are
> > Pete Rose and you are fighting for your baseball citizenship, why
> are you
> > seen anywhere with Mike Bertolini?
> >
> > On his way back home, Rose keeps tripping. One newspaper had him
> gambling at
> > a Las Vegas casino last week and frequenting the sports book of a
> Vegas
> > hotel. This was within days of an Enquirer report saying Rose
owes
> $151,690
> > in back taxes.
> >
> > How can someone be gambling, supposedly, when he owes the IRS six
> figures?
> >
> > At best, Rose is guilty of incredibly bad judgment. At worst,
Rose
> has a
> > problem he needs to get fixed before reinstatement is an option.
> >
> > It's amazing. Just as he should be edging closer to his own
> peculiar form of
> > grace, Rose is throwing banana peels in his path. Rose was never
> > self-destructive, even as a big bettor. He didn't bet to hurt
> himself. He
> > did it for the juice. Thirteen years later, the impression
persists
> that he
> > can't help himself.
> >
> > How can commissioner Bud Selig reinstate Rose now?
> >
> > The deal with former commissioner Bart Giamatti was that Rose
> should change
> > his life. By all appearances, he hasn't. If he apologizes now for
> betting on
> > the game, who will believe him? Who beyond the hero-worshipping
> toadies
> > would see it as anything but transparent?
> >
> > I'm sorry I gambled on the game. Now if you'll excuse me, Vegas
> awaits. Have
> >  you met Mike?
> >
> > A person close to the investigation believes Selig will offer
Rose
> some sort
> > of pardon, probably in the next four to six weeks. But it will be
> so loaded
> > with conditions, Rose might never pass the audition.
> >
> > Selig has made a sincere attempt to bring Rose back. He must be
> wondering
> > about his intentions now.
> >
> > Nobody knows how this will turn out. Rose could cop to betting on
> baseball,
> > apologize and admit he has a serious gambling problem. Maybe he
> does, maybe
> > he doesn't. But hanging around the gaming tables, supposedly,
when
> you're in
> > deep with the taxman isn't a sign you're in control of your life.
> >
> > Selig could make Rose apologize and bring him back only so his
name
> appears
> > on the Hall of Fame ballot. Once reinstated, Rose could work in
the
> game
> > without affecting it on the field. Broadcasting, maybe, though
not
> on the
> > radio, at least not here.
> >
> > "Would I be in favor of him in the radio booth? No," Marty
> Brennaman said
> > Wednesday. "He can't do play-by play. I don't intend to do nine
> innings of
> > play-by-play so Pete Rose can be in the radio booth. I'm going to
> have some
> > say in who gets this job (when Joe Nuxhall retires). If my say
means
> > anything, it won't be Pete Rose."
> >
> > Nothing is clear but this: Nobody has sabotaged
> >
> > Rose's return but Rose. I wanted Rose back in baseball, because
he
> belongs
> > in the Hall of Fame and because 13 years is sufficient penance,
> especially
> > given that baseball has used Rose in deals with sponsors. That
> position came
> > with a belief Rose would do his part, or make an effort. Recent
> revelations
> > suggest he hasn't.
> >
> > I don't want an apology from Rose. I want an admission that
> gambling is a
> > problem he needs to fix. I'd guess Selig feels the same.
> >
> > It is time for Rose to earn our compassion.
> >
> > E-mail pdaugherty@e...
> >
> > "You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of
> the world,
> > you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out
> who are
> > really your friends."



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Rose to enter Museum and Hitters Hall of Fame

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
       Associated Press


       NEW YORK -- Pete Rose is definitely getting into a Hall of Fame this
year -- the Ted Williams Museum Hitters Hall of Fame.


       Rose -- ineligible for the baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, N.Y.,
because of his lifetime ban from the sport _ was selected to be inducted to
the Williams Hall along with Wade Boggs, Dom DiMaggio, Tony Gwynn and
Williams -- who didn't want to be honored while he was alive.


       At the ceremonies, to take place Feb. 16 in Hernando, Fla., Barry
Bonds and Jim Thome are to receive the Splendid Splinter Award.


       It was easy to select Rose, according to Dave McCarthy, who became
executive director of the Ted Williams Museum last October.


       "People come in here and always ask, 'Why isn't he in the Hall of
Fame? He has more hits than anybody," McCarthy said Friday.


       Jim Prime, who co-authored several books with Williams, made the
nomination, which was approved by the museum's board of directors and
announced in mid-December.


       McCarthy's decision to support it was influenced by the ovation Rose
received at the World Series, when Rose appeared on the field as part of a
corporate promotion. McCarthy attended the game with Claudia Williams,
daughter of the Hall of Famer, who died last year.


       "It was an unbelievably loud ovation," McCarthy said. "She looked at
me, I looked at her. We're running a museum that's dedicated to the fans. We
should listen to them."


       The Hitters Hall of Fame began in 1995 and Shoeless Joe Jackson --
like Rose on the career banned list -- was inducted in 1998.


       Williams, baseball's last .400 hitter, died last July 5 at age 83. He
won two MVP awards and Triple Crowns, and finished with a .344 average and
521 homers while playing for the Boston Red Sox from 1939 to 1960. He
interrupted his career to serve as a Marine Corps pilot in World War II and
the Korean War.


       "Ted's never been one to shy away from controversy. He was always a
strong supporter of Joe Jackson," McCarthy said. "In my opinion, what goes
on on the field is what you honor people for. There's a lot of medal of
valor winners that had problems in life, and some that haven't. It's for
what they did in battle."


       Rose agreed to a lifetime ban from baseball in 1989 following an
investigation of his gambling. Baseball commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti
concluded Rose bet on the Cincinnati Reds while managing the team. Rose, who
has denied he gambled on baseball, has been negotiating a possible
reinstatement with commissioner Bud Selig.


       The talks have been complicated by revelations that the Internal
Revenue Service says Rose owes $151,689 in federal taxes from 1998,
according to a lien filed on a Rose home near Los Angeles. Rose, who is
being investigated by baseball security officials, also was reported to be
in a Las Vegas casino and sports book in January.



"You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of the world,
you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out who are
really your friends."

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Rose not helping his cause
A high-ranking Major League Baseball official said investigators
didn't know about the federal tax lien filed by the IRS against
Pete Rose this week.
http://reds.enquirer.com/2003/01/30/rose30.html

Judge: Rose should be in Hall
Judge Arthur Spiegel, who sentenced Pete Rose to prison in 1990,
says despite his current tax troubles, baseball's all-time hits
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"You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of the world,
you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out who are
really your friends."

By sheer coincidence, blue has always been the color of the enemy
throughout my life as a sports fan.  First, there was the Dodgers,
then in high school there was Moeller and St. Xavier, then in
college, of course there was "That School Up North", the Urine and
Blue.  As we used to say at "the" OSU, "screw blue".   I was more
than happy to fix that!


--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Diehardsteeler"
<diehardsteeler@s...> wrote:
> Thanks, hadn't got around to figuring that out again yet.
> Diehard
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>   Subject: [RedsFest] There, got rid of that Dodger Blue
>
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>   Got the proper colors for a Reds Group.
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----- Original Message -----

From: easttartan1987 <easttartan1987@...>

To: RedsFest@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:43 AM

Subject: [RedsFest] Re: How can Selig reinstate Rose now?

This Rose thing is getting nasty!!! I think Pete should have to go
through some gamblers anonymous course, or something. How can he be
trusted to not bet on the team he works for, if he still gambles? I
think letting him be a coach or manager could result in bad news!!!

I liked Marty's comments on Pete being in the booth with him. I
figured Marty would have a say in who takes over for Joe. I myself,
think it would be nice to have Thom to come and work with Marty. But,
I think Thom's getting more money than the Reds would probably offer
him.

Easttartan



--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Diehardsteeler"
<diehardsteeler@s...> wrote:
> How can Selig reinstate Rose now?
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
> ----
> Pete remains his own worst enemy
>
>
>
> On Sept. 23, the night of the celebrity softball game that closed
Cinergy
> Field, Pete Rose attended the same party as Mike Bertolini. In 2003,
> Bertolini might be as pure as a bar of Ivory soap. In 1987, he was a
> middleman between Rose and a New York bookie, according to the
report
> authored by Major League Baseball's investigator, John Dowd.
>
> Rose denied to Dowd that Bertolini placed bets for him; Bertolini
wouldn't
> talk to Dowd.
>
> Rose might not have said two words to Bertolini in September at The
> Waterfront restaurant after the softball game. It doesn't matter.
If you are
> Pete Rose and you are fighting for your baseball citizenship, why
are you
> seen anywhere with Mike Bertolini?
>
> On his way back home, Rose keeps tripping. One newspaper had him
gambling at
> a Las Vegas casino last week and frequenting the sports book of a
Vegas
> hotel. This was within days of an Enquirer report saying Rose owes
$151,690
> in back taxes.
>
> How can someone be gambling, supposedly, when he owes the IRS six
figures?
>
> At best, Rose is guilty of incredibly bad judgment. At worst, Rose
has a
> problem he needs to get fixed before reinstatement is an option.
>
> It's amazing. Just as he should be edging closer to his own
peculiar form of
> grace, Rose is throwing banana peels in his path. Rose was never
> self-destructive, even as a big bettor. He didn't bet to hurt
himself. He
> did it for the juice. Thirteen years later, the impression persists
that he
> can't help himself.
>
> How can commissioner Bud Selig reinstate Rose now?
>
> The deal with former commissioner Bart Giamatti was that Rose
should change
> his life. By all appearances, he hasn't. If he apologizes now for
betting on
> the game, who will believe him? Who beyond the hero-worshipping
toadies
> would see it as anything but transparent?
>
> I'm sorry I gambled on the game. Now if you'll excuse me, Vegas
awaits. Have
>  you met Mike?
>
> A person close to the investigation believes Selig will offer Rose
some sort
> of pardon, probably in the next four to six weeks. But it will be
so loaded
> with conditions, Rose might never pass the audition.
>
> Selig has made a sincere attempt to bring Rose back. He must be
wondering
> about his intentions now.
>
> Nobody knows how this will turn out. Rose could cop to betting on
baseball,
> apologize and admit he has a serious gambling problem. Maybe he
does, maybe
> he doesn't. But hanging around the gaming tables, supposedly, when
you're in
> deep with the taxman isn't a sign you're in control of your life.
>
> Selig could make Rose apologize and bring him back only so his name
appears
> on the Hall of Fame ballot. Once reinstated, Rose could work in the
game
> without affecting it on the field. Broadcasting, maybe, though not
on the
> radio, at least not here.
>
> "Would I be in favor of him in the radio booth? No," Marty
Brennaman said
> Wednesday. "He can't do play-by play. I don't intend to do nine
innings of
> play-by-play so Pete Rose can be in the radio booth. I'm going to
have some
> say in who gets this job (when Joe Nuxhall retires). If my say means
> anything, it won't be Pete Rose."
>
> Nothing is clear but this: Nobody has sabotaged
>
> Rose's return but Rose. I wanted Rose back in baseball, because he
belongs
> in the Hall of Fame and because 13 years is sufficient penance,
especially
> given that baseball has used Rose in deals with sponsors. That
position came
> with a belief Rose would do his part, or make an effort. Recent
revelations
> suggest he hasn't.
>
> I don't want an apology from Rose. I want an admission that
gambling is a
> problem he needs to fix. I'd guess Selig feels the same.
>
> It is time for Rose to earn our compassion.
>
> E-mail pdaugherty@e...
>
> "You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of
the world,
> you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out
who are
> really your friends."


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Got the proper colors for a Reds Group.

Exactly why he should never be in a position to influence the outcome
of an individual game.  And I don't think there is even a remote
chance of it anyhow.  Uncle Carl ain't a gonna hire him as manager
and neither will anybody else.  Hitting instructor is the highest on
field position he should ever be allowed to hold.  Maybe a scout.
Broadcasting would be OK, but I just don't really think a lot of his
verbal skills.

Thom is never going to leave the Cubs voluntarily,  I guarantee he's
making more than Uncle Carl would ever pay him.  But, we can always
dream...

--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "easttartan1987
<easttartan1987@y...>" <easttartan1987@y...> wrote:
> This Rose thing is getting nasty!!! I think Pete should have to go
> through some gamblers anonymous course, or something. How can he be
> trusted to not bet on the team he works for, if he still gambles? I
> think letting him be a coach or manager could result in bad news!!!
>
> I liked Marty's comments on Pete being in the booth with him. I
> figured Marty would have a say in who takes over for Joe. I myself,
> think it would be nice to have Thom to come and work with Marty.
But,
> I think Thom's getting more money than the Reds would probably
offer
> him.
>
> Easttartan
>
>
>
> --- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Diehardsteeler"
> <diehardsteeler@s...> wrote:
> > How can Selig reinstate Rose now?
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> --------
> > ----
> > Pete remains his own worst enemy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sept. 23, the night of the celebrity softball game that closed
> Cinergy
> > Field, Pete Rose attended the same party as Mike Bertolini. In
2003,
> > Bertolini might be as pure as a bar of Ivory soap. In 1987, he
was a
> > middleman between Rose and a New York bookie, according to the
> report
> > authored by Major League Baseball's investigator, John Dowd.
> >
> > Rose denied to Dowd that Bertolini placed bets for him; Bertolini
> wouldn't
> > talk to Dowd.
> >
> > Rose might not have said two words to Bertolini in September at
The
> > Waterfront restaurant after the softball game. It doesn't matter.
> If you are
> > Pete Rose and you are fighting for your baseball citizenship, why
> are you
> > seen anywhere with Mike Bertolini?
> >
> > On his way back home, Rose keeps tripping. One newspaper had him
> gambling at
> > a Las Vegas casino last week and frequenting the sports book of a
> Vegas
> > hotel. This was within days of an Enquirer report saying Rose
owes
> $151,690
> > in back taxes.
> >
> > How can someone be gambling, supposedly, when he owes the IRS six
> figures?
> >
> > At best, Rose is guilty of incredibly bad judgment. At worst,
Rose
> has a
> > problem he needs to get fixed before reinstatement is an option.
> >
> > It's amazing. Just as he should be edging closer to his own
> peculiar form of
> > grace, Rose is throwing banana peels in his path. Rose was never
> > self-destructive, even as a big bettor. He didn't bet to hurt
> himself. He
> > did it for the juice. Thirteen years later, the impression
persists
> that he
> > can't help himself.
> >
> > How can commissioner Bud Selig reinstate Rose now?
> >
> > The deal with former commissioner Bart Giamatti was that Rose
> should change
> > his life. By all appearances, he hasn't. If he apologizes now for
> betting on
> > the game, who will believe him? Who beyond the hero-worshipping
> toadies
> > would see it as anything but transparent?
> >
> > I'm sorry I gambled on the game. Now if you'll excuse me, Vegas
> awaits. Have
> >  you met Mike?
> >
> > A person close to the investigation believes Selig will offer
Rose
> some sort
> > of pardon, probably in the next four to six weeks. But it will be
> so loaded
> > with conditions, Rose might never pass the audition.
> >
> > Selig has made a sincere attempt to bring Rose back. He must be
> wondering
> > about his intentions now.
> >
> > Nobody knows how this will turn out. Rose could cop to betting on
> baseball,
> > apologize and admit he has a serious gambling problem. Maybe he
> does, maybe
> > he doesn't. But hanging around the gaming tables, supposedly,
when
> you're in
> > deep with the taxman isn't a sign you're in control of your life.
> >
> > Selig could make Rose apologize and bring him back only so his
name
> appears
> > on the Hall of Fame ballot. Once reinstated, Rose could work in
the
> game
> > without affecting it on the field. Broadcasting, maybe, though
not
> on the
> > radio, at least not here.
> >
> > "Would I be in favor of him in the radio booth? No," Marty
> Brennaman said
> > Wednesday. "He can't do play-by play. I don't intend to do nine
> innings of
> > play-by-play so Pete Rose can be in the radio booth. I'm going to
> have some
> > say in who gets this job (when Joe Nuxhall retires). If my say
means
> > anything, it won't be Pete Rose."
> >
> > Nothing is clear but this: Nobody has sabotaged
> >
> > Rose's return but Rose. I wanted Rose back in baseball, because
he
> belongs
> > in the Hall of Fame and because 13 years is sufficient penance,
> especially
> > given that baseball has used Rose in deals with sponsors. That
> position came
> > with a belief Rose would do his part, or make an effort. Recent
> revelations
> > suggest he hasn't.
> >
> > I don't want an apology from Rose. I want an admission that
> gambling is a
> > problem he needs to fix. I'd guess Selig feels the same.
> >
> > It is time for Rose to earn our compassion.
> >
> > E-mail pdaugherty@e...
> >
> > "You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of
> the world,
> > you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out
> who are
> > really your friends."

This Rose thing is getting nasty!!! I think Pete should have to go
through some gamblers anonymous course, or something. How can he be
trusted to not bet on the team he works for, if he still gambles? I
think letting him be a coach or manager could result in bad news!!!

I liked Marty's comments on Pete being in the booth with him. I
figured Marty would have a say in who takes over for Joe. I myself,
think it would be nice to have Thom to come and work with Marty. But,
I think Thom's getting more money than the Reds would probably offer
him.

Easttartan



--- In RedsFest@yahoogroups.com, "Diehardsteeler"
<diehardsteeler@s...> wrote:
> How can Selig reinstate Rose now?
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
> ----
> Pete remains his own worst enemy
>
>
>
> On Sept. 23, the night of the celebrity softball game that closed
Cinergy
> Field, Pete Rose attended the same party as Mike Bertolini. In 2003,
> Bertolini might be as pure as a bar of Ivory soap. In 1987, he was a
> middleman between Rose and a New York bookie, according to the
report
> authored by Major League Baseball's investigator, John Dowd.
>
> Rose denied to Dowd that Bertolini placed bets for him; Bertolini
wouldn't
> talk to Dowd.
>
> Rose might not have said two words to Bertolini in September at The
> Waterfront restaurant after the softball game. It doesn't matter.
If you are
> Pete Rose and you are fighting for your baseball citizenship, why
are you
> seen anywhere with Mike Bertolini?
>
> On his way back home, Rose keeps tripping. One newspaper had him
gambling at
> a Las Vegas casino last week and frequenting the sports book of a
Vegas
> hotel. This was within days of an Enquirer report saying Rose owes
$151,690
> in back taxes.
>
> How can someone be gambling, supposedly, when he owes the IRS six
figures?
>
> At best, Rose is guilty of incredibly bad judgment. At worst, Rose
has a
> problem he needs to get fixed before reinstatement is an option.
>
> It's amazing. Just as he should be edging closer to his own
peculiar form of
> grace, Rose is throwing banana peels in his path. Rose was never
> self-destructive, even as a big bettor. He didn't bet to hurt
himself. He
> did it for the juice. Thirteen years later, the impression persists
that he
> can't help himself.
>
> How can commissioner Bud Selig reinstate Rose now?
>
> The deal with former commissioner Bart Giamatti was that Rose
should change
> his life. By all appearances, he hasn't. If he apologizes now for
betting on
> the game, who will believe him? Who beyond the hero-worshipping
toadies
> would see it as anything but transparent?
>
> I'm sorry I gambled on the game. Now if you'll excuse me, Vegas
awaits. Have
>  you met Mike?
>
> A person close to the investigation believes Selig will offer Rose
some sort
> of pardon, probably in the next four to six weeks. But it will be
so loaded
> with conditions, Rose might never pass the audition.
>
> Selig has made a sincere attempt to bring Rose back. He must be
wondering
> about his intentions now.
>
> Nobody knows how this will turn out. Rose could cop to betting on
baseball,
> apologize and admit he has a serious gambling problem. Maybe he
does, maybe
> he doesn't. But hanging around the gaming tables, supposedly, when
you're in
> deep with the taxman isn't a sign you're in control of your life.
>
> Selig could make Rose apologize and bring him back only so his name
appears
> on the Hall of Fame ballot. Once reinstated, Rose could work in the
game
> without affecting it on the field. Broadcasting, maybe, though not
on the
> radio, at least not here.
>
> "Would I be in favor of him in the radio booth? No," Marty
Brennaman said
> Wednesday. "He can't do play-by play. I don't intend to do nine
innings of
> play-by-play so Pete Rose can be in the radio booth. I'm going to
have some
> say in who gets this job (when Joe Nuxhall retires). If my say means
> anything, it won't be Pete Rose."
>
> Nothing is clear but this: Nobody has sabotaged
>
> Rose's return but Rose. I wanted Rose back in baseball, because he
belongs
> in the Hall of Fame and because 13 years is sufficient penance,
especially
> given that baseball has used Rose in deals with sponsors. That
position came
> with a belief Rose would do his part, or make an effort. Recent
revelations
> suggest he hasn't.
>
> I don't want an apology from Rose. I want an admission that
gambling is a
> problem he needs to fix. I'd guess Selig feels the same.
>
> It is time for Rose to earn our compassion.
>
> E-mail pdaugherty@e...
>
> "You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of
the world,
> you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out
who are
> really your friends."

How can Selig reinstate Rose now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Pete remains his own worst enemy



On Sept. 23, the night of the celebrity softball game that closed Cinergy
Field, Pete Rose attended the same party as Mike Bertolini. In 2003,
Bertolini might be as pure as a bar of Ivory soap. In 1987, he was a
middleman between Rose and a New York bookie, according to the report
authored by Major League Baseball's investigator, John Dowd.

Rose denied to Dowd that Bertolini placed bets for him; Bertolini wouldn't
talk to Dowd.

Rose might not have said two words to Bertolini in September at The
Waterfront restaurant after the softball game. It doesn't matter. If you are
Pete Rose and you are fighting for your baseball citizenship, why are you
seen anywhere with Mike Bertolini?

On his way back home, Rose keeps tripping. One newspaper had him gambling at
a Las Vegas casino last week and frequenting the sports book of a Vegas
hotel. This was within days of an Enquirer report saying Rose owes $151,690
in back taxes.

How can someone be gambling, supposedly, when he owes the IRS six figures?

At best, Rose is guilty of incredibly bad judgment. At worst, Rose has a
problem he needs to get fixed before reinstatement is an option.

It's amazing. Just as he should be edging closer to his own peculiar form of
grace, Rose is throwing banana peels in his path. Rose was never
self-destructive, even as a big bettor. He didn't bet to hurt himself. He
did it for the juice. Thirteen years later, the impression persists that he
can't help himself.

How can commissioner Bud Selig reinstate Rose now?

The deal with former commissioner Bart Giamatti was that Rose should change
his life. By all appearances, he hasn't. If he apologizes now for betting on
the game, who will believe him? Who beyond the hero-worshipping toadies
would see it as anything but transparent?

I'm sorry I gambled on the game. Now if you'll excuse me, Vegas awaits. Have
  you met Mike?

A person close to the investigation believes Selig will offer Rose some sort
of pardon, probably in the next four to six weeks. But it will be so loaded
with conditions, Rose might never pass the audition.

Selig has made a sincere attempt to bring Rose back. He must be wondering
about his intentions now.

Nobody knows how this will turn out. Rose could cop to betting on baseball,
apologize and admit he has a serious gambling problem. Maybe he does, maybe
he doesn't. But hanging around the gaming tables, supposedly, when you're in
deep with the taxman isn't a sign you're in control of your life.

Selig could make Rose apologize and bring him back only so his name appears
on the Hall of Fame ballot. Once reinstated, Rose could work in the game
without affecting it on the field. Broadcasting, maybe, though not on the
radio, at least not here.

"Would I be in favor of him in the radio booth? No," Marty Brennaman said
Wednesday. "He can't do play-by play. I don't intend to do nine innings of
play-by-play so Pete Rose can be in the radio booth. I'm going to have some
say in who gets this job (when Joe Nuxhall retires). If my say means
anything, it won't be Pete Rose."

Nothing is clear but this: Nobody has sabotaged

Rose's return but Rose. I wanted Rose back in baseball, because he belongs
in the Hall of Fame and because 13 years is sufficient penance, especially
given that baseball has used Rose in deals with sponsors. That position came
with a belief Rose would do his part, or make an effort. Recent revelations
suggest he hasn't.

I don't want an apology from Rose. I want an admission that gambling is a
problem he needs to fix. I'd guess Selig feels the same.

It is time for Rose to earn our compassion.

E-mail pdaugherty@...

"You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of the world,
you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out who are
really your friends."

----- Original Message -----

From: dooleyville <dooleyville@...>

To: RedsFest@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:59 PM

Subject: [RedsFest] Nice pic of the GABP

As if I didn't have it bad enough as it was. 

I need to start making plans for my summer trip back for a ball game.

At least college ball and spring training start soon. 


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As if I didn't have it bad enough as it was.

I need to start making plans for my summer trip back for a ball game.

At least college ball and spring training start soon.

Seems to have a broken link but maybe they'll get it fixed sometime tonight.
Diehard

Larson wins Reds minor league honor
Brandon Larson, who hit .340 with 25 home runs and 69 RBIs in only 80 games
at Triple-A Louisville, has been named the 2002 Sheldon "Chief" Bender Award
winner as the organization's Minor League Player of the Year. Larson led all
Reds minor leaguers in homers and RBIs.

"You know what I've learned?" says Junior. "When you're on top of the world,
you find out who your enemies are. When you're down, you find out who are
really your friends."