Thanks for all the great feedback!  I think that for HPDE purposes (keeping roof
from crushing my puny self) a bolted-in solution seems quite adequate.  If this
was truly for racing, no question wrt welding and it would be a full cage
anyway.

Scott

---- gary@... wrote:
> Bolt in and I had it powder coated at a shop next door to the installed. I got
the light weight chromemolly bar.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Scott Mackler
> To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Gary Bowler
> Sent: Apr 10, 2009 5:06 AM
> Subject: RE: [RCCTrackers] Roll bar / chassis bar?
>
> Gary,
>
> Thanks. Was it bolted or welded install?
>
> Scott
>
>
> ---- Gary Bowler <gary@...> wrote:
> > I have seen a C6 Corvette that had rolled during a HPDE and the roof was
> > crushed down enough to be a concern. I have a Pfadt Chassis bar that is also
> > my harness bar. The good harness bars nearly cost the same so why not have
> > some rollover protection.
> > The top bar does somewhat block rear visibility. I set my seat lower then
> > normal at the track to see under the bar.
> > It looks trick.
> > It stiffens the chassis.
> > It costs to get installed. I forgot how much but there is a shop in Palmyra
> > that did my bar installation that Craig Welker and his dad used that does a
> > nice job.
> > Gary
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of semackler
> > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:29 PM
> > To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [RCCTrackers] Roll bar / chassis bar?
> >
> > For HPDE, how important is a roll bar, especially if we are running a fixed
> > roof coupe style car? Do you have one?  What are the pluses & minuses (e.g.,
> > rear visibility)?  Also, seems to me that bolted would be adequate, welding
> > seems an added level of install difficulty / cost that is not
> > justified...comments / thoughts please?  THANKS!
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Bolt in and I had it powder coated at a shop next door to the installed. I got
the light weight chromemolly bar.
------Original Message------
From: Scott Mackler
To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Gary Bowler
Sent: Apr 10, 2009 5:06 AM
Subject: RE: [RCCTrackers] Roll bar / chassis bar?

Gary,

Thanks. Was it bolted or welded install?

Scott


---- Gary Bowler <gary@...> wrote:
> I have seen a C6 Corvette that had rolled during a HPDE and the roof was
> crushed down enough to be a concern. I have a Pfadt Chassis bar that is also
> my harness bar. The good harness bars nearly cost the same so why not have
> some rollover protection.
> The top bar does somewhat block rear visibility. I set my seat lower then
> normal at the track to see under the bar.
> It looks trick.
> It stiffens the chassis.
> It costs to get installed. I forgot how much but there is a shop in Palmyra
> that did my bar installation that Craig Welker and his dad used that does a
> nice job.
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of semackler
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:29 PM
> To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RCCTrackers] Roll bar / chassis bar?
>
> For HPDE, how important is a roll bar, especially if we are running a fixed
> roof coupe style car? Do you have one?  What are the pluses & minuses (e.g.,
> rear visibility)?  Also, seems to me that bolted would be adequate, welding
> seems an added level of install difficulty / cost that is not
> justified...comments / thoughts please?  THANKS!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>




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Gary,

Thanks. Was it bolted or welded install?

Scott


---- Gary Bowler <gary@...> wrote:
> I have seen a C6 Corvette that had rolled during a HPDE and the roof was
> crushed down enough to be a concern. I have a Pfadt Chassis bar that is also
> my harness bar. The good harness bars nearly cost the same so why not have
> some rollover protection.
> The top bar does somewhat block rear visibility. I set my seat lower then
> normal at the track to see under the bar.
> It looks trick.
> It stiffens the chassis.
> It costs to get installed. I forgot how much but there is a shop in Palmyra
> that did my bar installation that Craig Welker and his dad used that does a
> nice job.
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of semackler
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:29 PM
> To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RCCTrackers] Roll bar / chassis bar?
>
> For HPDE, how important is a roll bar, especially if we are running a fixed
> roof coupe style car? Do you have one?  What are the pluses & minuses (e.g.,
> rear visibility)?  Also, seems to me that bolted would be adequate, welding
> seems an added level of install difficulty / cost that is not
> justified...comments / thoughts please?  THANKS!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I have seen a C6 Corvette that had rolled during a HPDE and the roof was
crushed down enough to be a concern. I have a Pfadt Chassis bar that is also
my harness bar. The good harness bars nearly cost the same so why not have
some rollover protection.
The top bar does somewhat block rear visibility. I set my seat lower then
normal at the track to see under the bar.
It looks trick.
It stiffens the chassis.
It costs to get installed. I forgot how much but there is a shop in Palmyra
that did my bar installation that Craig Welker and his dad used that does a
nice job.
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of semackler
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:29 PM
To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RCCTrackers] Roll bar / chassis bar?

For HPDE, how important is a roll bar, especially if we are running a fixed
roof coupe style car? Do you have one?  What are the pluses & minuses (e.g.,
rear visibility)?  Also, seems to me that bolted would be adequate, welding
seems an added level of install difficulty / cost that is not
justified...comments / thoughts please?  THANKS!



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

For HPDE, how important is a roll bar, especially if we are running a fixed roof
coupe style car? Do you have one?  What are the pluses & minuses (e.g., rear
visibility)?  Also, seems to me that bolted would be adequate, welding seems an
added level of install difficulty / cost that is not justified...comments /
thoughts please?  THANKS!

I'm surprised at the location of these events. 1-1/2 to 2 hour drive to an
autocross is a bit extreme. The positive side might be low turn out meaning
extra laps.



--- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "semackler" <smackler@...> wrote:
>
> See http://www.gvc-bmwcca.org/EventDescriptions/Autocross.aspx
>
> The 2009 schedule of events is:
>
> Sat 5/16 BIMP - Batavia, NY
> Sun 6/7 SeAD - Romulus, NY (Saturday 6/6 Tuning Day)
> Sat 6/27 Cherry Valley - Lafayette, NY
> Sat 7/11 BIMP
> Sun 8/16 SeAD (Saturday 8/15 Tuning Day)
> Sat 9/19 BIMP
>

Scott,
Smart, I have one.
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of semackler
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:18 PM
To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RCCTrackers] Re: Helmet Restraint Systems

I have decided, after some research, to buy a Hans Device (Sport version)
and a new full face helmet w/visor for my track days this year.  I will
relegate my old open face Bell to autocrsossing only.

Scott

--- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "mitch-evans" <mitch-evans@...> wrote:
>
> Seems like, reading the newspaper, that in most automobile accidents
> the victims complain of back and neck pain.
> Suppose you are on the track with a helmet that doubles the mass of
> your head and you get in an accident.  I don't think the neck would
> have a chance.
>
> If you're like me you have a full race harness in your Vette.    Some
> think the airbags in the car will save their neck in a collision.
> This might be true if you are a crash dummy (average size/weight) with
> a seatbelt working in conjunction with an airbag.    With a full race
> harness there is going to be a lot less stretch versus the stock 3
> point, and maybe the lack of stretch means the head never gets to the
> airbag.
>
> Below is a list of some of the head restraints available today to save
> our necks!
>
> 1. Hans is SFI 38.1 and FIA 8858 certified, the race standard,
> different sizes, and weight, $545 to $1095
> http://hansdevice.com
>
> 2. Safety Solutions Head and Neck Restraint System by Safety Solutions
> is SFI 38.1 certified,  different sizes/styles,  $649 to $1195
> http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/wordpress/?cat=17
>
> 3. The DefNder Head and Neck Restraint is SFI 38.1 certified, one size
> for all, $549
> http://www.defnderneckbrace.com
>
> 4. G-Force SRS-1 Helmet Restraint System to be used with G-Force
> helmet, Sled tested, custom sizing required,  $299
> http://www.gforce.com/products/helmetacc/SRS1.php
>
>
> I use the G-force SRS-1, does anyone have experience with a helmet
> restraint system?
>
>
> Mitch
>




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See http://www.gvc-bmwcca.org/EventDescriptions/Autocross.aspx

The 2009 schedule of events is:

Sat 5/16 BIMP - Batavia, NY
Sun 6/7 SeAD - Romulus, NY (Saturday 6/6 Tuning Day)
Sat 6/27 Cherry Valley - Lafayette, NY
Sat 7/11 BIMP
Sun 8/16 SeAD (Saturday 8/15 Tuning Day)
Sat 9/19 BIMP

I have decided, after some research, to buy a Hans Device (Sport version) and a
new full face helmet w/visor for my track days this year.  I will relegate my
old open face Bell to autocrsossing only.

Scott

--- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "mitch-evans" <mitch-evans@...> wrote:
>
> Seems like, reading the newspaper, that in most automobile accidents
> the victims complain of back and neck pain.
> Suppose you are on the track with a helmet that doubles the mass of
> your head and you get in an accident.  I don't think the neck would
> have a chance.
>
> If you're like me you have a full race harness in your Vette.    Some
> think the airbags in the car will save their neck in a collision.
> This might be true if you are a crash dummy (average size/weight) with
> a seatbelt working in conjunction with an airbag.    With a full race
> harness there is going to be a lot less stretch versus the stock 3
> point, and maybe the lack of stretch means the head never gets to the
> airbag.
>
> Below is a list of some of the head restraints available today to save
> our necks!
>
> 1. Hans is SFI 38.1 and FIA 8858 certified, the race standard,
> different sizes, and weight, $545 to $1095
> http://hansdevice.com
>
> 2. Safety Solutions Head and Neck Restraint System by Safety Solutions
> is SFI 38.1 certified,  different sizes/styles,  $649 to $1195
> http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/wordpress/?cat=17
>
> 3. The DefNder Head and Neck Restraint is SFI 38.1 certified, one size
> for all, $549
> http://www.defnderneckbrace.com
>
> 4. G-Force SRS-1 Helmet Restraint System to be used with G-Force
> helmet, Sled tested, custom sizing required,  $299
> http://www.gforce.com/products/helmetacc/SRS1.php
>
>
> I use the G-force SRS-1, does anyone have experience with a helmet
> restraint system?
>
>
> Mitch
>

I agree after looking into it more.
It has a 5% deductable that makes it affordable.
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Mackler
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:49 AM
To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RCCTrackers] HPDE Single Event Insurance Coverage now
available

Not knowing what you looked at or what your concerns were, all I can say is
this did not raise any concerns w/me and in fact it looks pretty darn
attractive.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of gary@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:45 PM
To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RCCTrackers] HPDE Single Event Insurance Coverage now
available

Scott
I looked into this type of insurance from two other companies but always
stopped at the point that I could not figure out if they were legitimate or
not.
This would be great if they would pay off .
Gary
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "semackler" <smackler@...>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:34:04
To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [RCCTrackers] HPDE Single Event Insurance Coverage now available


The BMW Car Club of America has announced a partnership with Lockton
Risk Services to provide a high-performance driving event insurance program,
delivering affordable insurance to the many BMW CCA enthusiasts involved in
performance driving events. The HPDE Insurance
Program provides an à la carte, single-event policy designed to provide
affordable physical damage coverage to vehicles used in BMW CCA
high-performance driving schools at race tracks across
the United States.

"Our performance driving members have expressed concern about exclusions
that they are seeing in standard auto policies," said Frank Patek, executive
director of BMW CCA. "Our driving-enthusiast
members have noticed a trend over the past few years: new exclusions being
added to their auto policies at renewal time. Many insurers eliminate
coverage while policyholders drive at race-track facilities.
We needed a solution to protect our members involved in our driving
schools."

That's where Lockton Affinity comes in. "Car enthusiasts have been asking
for an affordable means of insuring their vehicles at driving schools for
years," says Lockton Affinity's Ryan Staub, who is also Chief Instructor for
the Kansas City Chapter of BMW CCA. "Due to the growing need for a program
like this—and BMW CCA's excellent safety record at performance-driving
events—we were able to obtain
approval to offer coverage at a discounted rate to BMW CCA participants
attending BMW CCA events.

The discount is already `live' on our website. BMW CCA members just select a
BMW CCA event they want coverage for, and the discount is automatically
applied. '

The BMW CCA-endorsed HPDE Insurance Program, administered by Lockton Risk
Services, offers an agreed-value insurance policy providing primary coverage
for incidents in the paddock or on the racing
surface, whether the vehicle is being driven by the primary driver,
co-driver, or instructor. In addition, after-market modifications made to
vehicles are also covered, and any HPDE-related claims will not affect a
participant's street insurance rates or claims history. As for
affordability, you can purchase physical-damage coverage on a vehicle valued
at $20,000 for as little as $113. HPDE Insurance
Program policies are sold online and can be obtained in as little as five or
ten minutes;

see http://hpdeins.locktonaffinity.com/Default.aspx?cID=31

Not sure if WOODCHUCK damages are covered ;-)





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Yahoo! Groups Links

I agree
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Mackler" <smackler@...>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:48:30
To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [RCCTrackers] HPDE Single Event Insurance Coverage now available


Not knowing what you looked at or what your concerns were, all I can say is
this did not raise any concerns w/me and in fact it looks pretty darn
attractive.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of gary@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:45 PM
To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RCCTrackers] HPDE Single Event Insurance Coverage now
available

Scott
I looked into this type of insurance from two other companies but always
stopped at the point that I could not figure out if they were legitimate or
not.
This would be great if they would pay off .
Gary
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "semackler" <smackler@...>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:34:04
To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [RCCTrackers] HPDE Single Event Insurance Coverage now available


The BMW Car Club of America has announced a partnership with Lockton
Risk Services to provide a high-performance driving event insurance program,
delivering affordable insurance to the many BMW CCA enthusiasts involved in
performance driving events. The HPDE Insurance
Program provides an à la carte, single-event policy designed to provide
affordable physical damage coverage to vehicles used in BMW CCA
high-performance driving schools at race tracks across
the United States.

"Our performance driving members have expressed concern about exclusions
that they are seeing in standard auto policies," said Frank Patek, executive
director of BMW CCA. "Our driving-enthusiast
members have noticed a trend over the past few years: new exclusions being
added to their auto policies at renewal time. Many insurers eliminate
coverage while policyholders drive at race-track facilities.
We needed a solution to protect our members involved in our driving
schools."

That's where Lockton Affinity comes in. "Car enthusiasts have been asking
for an affordable means of insuring their vehicles at driving schools for
years," says Lockton Affinity's Ryan Staub, who is also Chief Instructor for
the Kansas City Chapter of BMW CCA. "Due to the growing need for a program
like this—and BMW CCA's excellent safety record at performance-driving
events—we were able to obtain
approval to offer coverage at a discounted rate to BMW CCA participants
attending BMW CCA events.

The discount is already `live' on our website. BMW CCA members just select a
BMW CCA event they want coverage for, and the discount is automatically
applied. '

The BMW CCA-endorsed HPDE Insurance Program, administered by Lockton Risk
Services, offers an agreed-value insurance policy providing primary coverage
for incidents in the paddock or on the racing
surface, whether the vehicle is being driven by the primary driver,
co-driver, or instructor. In addition, after-market modifications made to
vehicles are also covered, and any HPDE-related claims will not affect a
participant's street insurance rates or claims history. As for
affordability, you can purchase physical-damage coverage on a vehicle valued
at $20,000 for as little as $113. HPDE Insurance
Program policies are sold online and can be obtained in as little as five or
ten minutes;

see http://hpdeins.locktonaffinity.com/Default.aspx?cID=31

Not sure if WOODCHUCK damages are covered ;-)





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Yahoo! Groups Links






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Yahoo! Groups Links







------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Not knowing what you looked at or what your concerns were, all I can say is
this did not raise any concerns w/me and in fact it looks pretty darn
attractive.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of gary@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:45 PM
To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RCCTrackers] HPDE Single Event Insurance Coverage now
available

Scott
I looked into this type of insurance from two other companies but always
stopped at the point that I could not figure out if they were legitimate or
not.
This would be great if they would pay off .
Gary
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "semackler" <smackler@...>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:34:04
To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [RCCTrackers] HPDE Single Event Insurance Coverage now available


The BMW Car Club of America has announced a partnership with Lockton
Risk Services to provide a high-performance driving event insurance program,
delivering affordable insurance to the many BMW CCA enthusiasts involved in
performance driving events. The HPDE Insurance
Program provides an à la carte, single-event policy designed to provide
affordable physical damage coverage to vehicles used in BMW CCA
high-performance driving schools at race tracks across
the United States.

"Our performance driving members have expressed concern about exclusions
that they are seeing in standard auto policies," said Frank Patek, executive
director of BMW CCA. "Our driving-enthusiast
members have noticed a trend over the past few years: new exclusions being
added to their auto policies at renewal time. Many insurers eliminate
coverage while policyholders drive at race-track facilities.
We needed a solution to protect our members involved in our driving
schools."

That's where Lockton Affinity comes in. "Car enthusiasts have been asking
for an affordable means of insuring their vehicles at driving schools for
years," says Lockton Affinity's Ryan Staub, who is also Chief Instructor for
the Kansas City Chapter of BMW CCA. "Due to the growing need for a program
like this—and BMW CCA's excellent safety record at performance-driving
events—we were able to obtain
approval to offer coverage at a discounted rate to BMW CCA participants
attending BMW CCA events.

The discount is already `live' on our website. BMW CCA members just select a
BMW CCA event they want coverage for, and the discount is automatically
applied. '

The BMW CCA-endorsed HPDE Insurance Program, administered by Lockton Risk
Services, offers an agreed-value insurance policy providing primary coverage
for incidents in the paddock or on the racing
surface, whether the vehicle is being driven by the primary driver,
co-driver, or instructor. In addition, after-market modifications made to
vehicles are also covered, and any HPDE-related claims will not affect a
participant's street insurance rates or claims history. As for
affordability, you can purchase physical-damage coverage on a vehicle valued
at $20,000 for as little as $113. HPDE Insurance
Program policies are sold online and can be obtained in as little as five or
ten minutes;

see http://hpdeins.locktonaffinity.com/Default.aspx?cID=31

Not sure if WOODCHUCK damages are covered ;-)





------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links






------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Scott
I looked into this type of insurance from two other companies but always stopped
at the point that I could not figure out if they were legitimate or not.
This would be great if they would pay off .
Gary
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "semackler" <smackler@...>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:34:04
To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [RCCTrackers] HPDE Single Event Insurance Coverage now available


The BMW Car Club of America has announced a partnership with Lockton
Risk Services to provide a high-performance driving event insurance program,
delivering affordable insurance to the many BMW CCA enthusiasts involved in
performance driving events. The HPDE Insurance
Program provides an à la carte, single-event policy designed to provide
affordable physical damage coverage to vehicles used in BMW CCA high-performance
driving schools at race tracks across
the United States.

"Our performance driving members have expressed concern about exclusions that
they are seeing in standard auto policies," said Frank Patek, executive director
of BMW CCA. "Our driving-enthusiast
members have noticed a trend over the past few years: new exclusions being added
to their auto policies at renewal time. Many insurers eliminate coverage while
policyholders drive at race-track facilities.
We needed a solution to protect our members involved in our driving schools."

That's where Lockton Affinity comes in. "Car enthusiasts have been asking for an
affordable means of insuring their vehicles at driving schools for years," says
Lockton Affinity's Ryan Staub, who is also Chief Instructor for the Kansas City
Chapter of BMW CCA. "Due to the growing need for a program like this—and BMW
CCA's excellent safety record at performance-driving events—we were able to
obtain
approval to offer coverage at a discounted rate to BMW CCA participants
attending BMW CCA events.

The discount is already `live' on our website. BMW CCA members just select a BMW
CCA event they want coverage for, and the discount is automatically applied. '

The BMW CCA-endorsed HPDE Insurance Program, administered by Lockton Risk
Services, offers an agreed-value insurance policy providing primary coverage for
incidents in the paddock or on the racing
surface, whether the vehicle is being driven by the primary driver, co-driver,
or instructor. In addition, after-market modifications made to vehicles are also
covered, and any HPDE-related claims will not affect a participant's street
insurance rates or claims history. As for affordability, you can purchase
physical-damage coverage on a vehicle valued at $20,000 for as little as $113.
HPDE Insurance
Program policies are sold online and can be obtained in as little as five or ten
minutes;

see http://hpdeins.locktonaffinity.com/Default.aspx?cID=31

Not sure if WOODCHUCK damages are covered ;-)





------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

The BMW Car Club of America has announced a partnership with Lockton
Risk Services to provide a high-performance driving event insurance program,
delivering affordable insurance to the many BMW CCA enthusiasts involved in
performance driving events. The HPDE Insurance
Program provides an à la carte, single-event policy designed to provide
affordable physical damage coverage to vehicles used in BMW CCA high-performance
driving schools at race tracks across
the United States.

"Our performance driving members have expressed concern about exclusions that
they are seeing in standard auto policies," said Frank Patek, executive director
of BMW CCA. "Our driving-enthusiast
members have noticed a trend over the past few years: new exclusions being added
to their auto policies at renewal time. Many insurers eliminate coverage while
policyholders drive at race-track facilities.
We needed a solution to protect our members involved in our driving schools."

That's where Lockton Affinity comes in. "Car enthusiasts have been asking for an
affordable means of insuring their vehicles at driving schools for years," says
Lockton Affinity's Ryan Staub, who is also Chief Instructor for the Kansas City
Chapter of BMW CCA. "Due to the growing need for a program like this—and BMW
CCA's excellent safety record at performance-driving events—we were able to
obtain
approval to offer coverage at a discounted rate to BMW CCA participants
attending BMW CCA events.

The discount is already `live' on our website. BMW CCA members just select a BMW
CCA event they want coverage for, and the discount is automatically applied. '

The BMW CCA-endorsed HPDE Insurance Program, administered by Lockton Risk
Services, offers an agreed-value insurance policy providing primary coverage for
incidents in the paddock or on the racing
surface, whether the vehicle is being driven by the primary driver, co-driver,
or instructor. In addition, after-market modifications made to vehicles are also
covered, and any HPDE-related claims will not affect a participant's street
insurance rates or claims history. As for affordability, you can purchase
physical-damage coverage on a vehicle valued at $20,000 for as little as $113.
HPDE Insurance
Program policies are sold online and can be obtained in as little as five or ten
minutes;

see http://hpdeins.locktonaffinity.com/Default.aspx?cID=31

Not sure if WOODCHUCK damages are covered ;-)

July 26-28: Sunday-Tuesday – Mosport Driving School and Seminar with Ross
Bentley - Mosport International Raceway, Canada

Online Pre-Registration opens March 16, 2009.

http://www.gvc-bmwcca.org/drivingSchool/WhatsNew.aspx

Printed application must be sent with check or money order on Friday, June 5,
2009.

The Genesee Valley Chapter BMW CCA, in conjunction with Ross Bentley -- North
America's most popular high performance driving coach --speedsecrets.com is
offering a premier three-day driving experience at Mosport International Raceway
in Ontario, Canada, July 26-28, 2009.

Sunday, July 26, Ross will kick off this event with a full-day seminar on
advanced driving techniques, customized for the Genesee Valley Chapter. This
seminar will be held from 9 am to 4 pm at the Holiday Inn Oshawa, the host hotel
for our school. Ross will concentrate on the fine art of navigating the
challenging Mosport circuit in his seminar and classes.

On Monday and Tuesday, July 27 and 28, drivers will make the transition from
"classroom" to "lab" where Ross will put theory into action -- including
on-track, real-world exercises to enable you to become a better driver mentally
and physically. Each run group, including instructors, will get four ~30 minute
on-track sessions per day.

Cost is $450

Are you sure that you still don't have pieces of the WG woodchuck blocking your
oil cooler? ;-)

Scott
---- uvbnzd <Mike.Je@...> wrote:
> Thanks for all the insight that you have experienced. I agree with
> everything that you have said. But, on the otherhand, Porsche has
> been running an air cooled engine for years with an oil cooler that
> works....as well as other manufacturers. My engine coolant
> temperature has never been a problem...that I'm aware of. I will pay
> closer attention next time on the track. Pfadt does have a nice
> system, but any solution that requires $800 plus installation for 20-
> 40 minutes of track time is for the " I have nothing better to do
> with my money". Sorry that I'm so frugile, but there has to be a more
> economical way. Once the weather clears, I plan on putting an
> auxillary fan on the stock oil cooler  with a temperature activated
> switch. I estimate $150 for the complete package. If it works I'll
> sell the idea to Pfadt, Dewitts, and Rippie.
>
> --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Bowler" <gary@...> wrote:
> >
> > Now that I am at my PC I can get more on the topic then using my
> Blackberry.
> > I did the DeWitts radiator that is 2x as thick and has 50% more
> cooling
> > surface on the engine & transmission oil cooler side. Mr DeWitts
> told be
> > that the only way that you will keep the coolant and oil temp down
> is to
> > increase air flow through his radiator. In other words, air flow is
> the
> > limiting factor if the radiator has the surface area to extract the
> heat.
> > The electric fans need to be programmed to come on sooner and stay
> on high
> > speed. The air flow is dependent on the restrictions to flow or
> pressure
> > drop created by the restrictions.
> >
> > This is one reason that all race Corvettes have vented hoods to
> extract hot
> > air from under the hood and increase air flow that is highly
> restricted by
> > the stock air flow path under the car. At speed you have more then
> enough
> > inlet air pressure to the radiator but the air needs to escape on
> the outlet
> > side.
> >   The dividends with the vented hood are less under hood pressure,
> > temperature, lift and more down force.
> > It would be interesting to see if the coolant & oil temperature
> would
> > decrease if just a vented hood was installed with a stock radiator.
> This
> > would tell you that the cooling capacity of the radiator is the
> limiting
> > factor if it dropped a few degrees.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of gary@...
> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:06 AM
> > To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures
> >
> > Pfadt Racing has the best C5 oil cooler. Vented hood also helps
> > Gary
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "mitch-evans" <mitch-evans@...>
> >
> > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:25:42
> > To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures
> >
> >
> > Found this link regarding high oil temps:
> > http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f90/high-oil-temp-trackday-110477/
> >
> > ME
> >
> > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I have a 160 thermostat and the car was tuned by you. I have
> seen
> > > the Rippie version and I have also seen aftermarket radiators that
> > > have engine oil cooling capability. Overpriced for me. However
> the GM
> > > automatic radiator is reasonably priced. Have you heard or
> experienced
> > > anyone swapping their radiator? My concern is that it may
> restrict the
> > > oil flow or reduce pressure. Z06's have a oil delivery problem
> during
> > > centrifugal forces and I don't want to make it worse. I've also
> > > thought of mounting a small cooling fan on the factory oil cooler.
> > > Where it is located from the factory doesn't allow for any air
> flow.
> > > What do you think of this idea? I know your company is very
> innovative
> > > and well respected for it's quality workmanship. Your opinion is
> > > highly regarded.
> > > Thanks for responding and I'm glad to see you are a member now.
> If you
> > > have any other alternative ideas, please pass them on. Or, better
> yet,
> > > if you have any specials..............
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "g8gt08" <g8gt08@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Do you have an aftermarket oil cooler system? We use Doug
> Rippie oil
> > > > cooler systems on the C5's with good luck, they are pricey
> though.
> > > > Also, is your corvette tuned? Do yopu have a low temp
> thermostat?
> > > > These things will also aid in having a cooler oil temperature.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > New Era Performance
> > > > www.neweraperformanceparts.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to gather information to solve the hot engine oil
> > > > > temperatures that the C5's and C6's experience on road
> courses.
> > > > > On warm days above 80 degrees oil temperatures rise above 280
> > and in
> > > > > some cases I'm hearing of over 300 degrees. I know synthetics
> are
> > > > > capable of high temps, but this is pretty extreme. I've seen
> > > > > replacement radiators with engine oil cooling capability, but
> the
> > > > > expense is a bit extreme and I am looking for an alternative.
> Any
> > > ideas?
> > > > > Perhaps a GM personnel is out there willing to help. Has
> anyone
> > heard
> > > > > or experienced using a radiator out of an automatic trans
> Vette and
> > > > > cooled the engine oil through the trans oil cooler?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>

By the way I just love passing air or water cooled Porsches with my
overheated Chevy.

-----Original Message-----
From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of uvbnzd
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:58 AM
To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures

Thanks for all the insight that you have experienced. I agree with
everything that you have said. But, on the otherhand, Porsche has
been running an air cooled engine for years with an oil cooler that
works....as well as other manufacturers. My engine coolant
temperature has never been a problem...that I'm aware of. I will pay
closer attention next time on the track. Pfadt does have a nice
system, but any solution that requires $800 plus installation for 20-
40 minutes of track time is for the " I have nothing better to do
with my money". Sorry that I'm so frugile, but there has to be a more
economical way. Once the weather clears, I plan on putting an
auxillary fan on the stock oil cooler  with a temperature activated
switch. I estimate $150 for the complete package. If it works I'll
sell the idea to Pfadt, Dewitts, and Rippie.

--- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Bowler" <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Now that I am at my PC I can get more on the topic then using my
Blackberry.
> I did the DeWitts radiator that is 2x as thick and has 50% more
cooling
> surface on the engine & transmission oil cooler side. Mr DeWitts
told be
> that the only way that you will keep the coolant and oil temp down
is to
> increase air flow through his radiator. In other words, air flow is
the
> limiting factor if the radiator has the surface area to extract the
heat.
> The electric fans need to be programmed to come on sooner and stay
on high
> speed. The air flow is dependent on the restrictions to flow or
pressure
> drop created by the restrictions.
>
> This is one reason that all race Corvettes have vented hoods to
extract hot
> air from under the hood and increase air flow that is highly
restricted by
> the stock air flow path under the car. At speed you have more then
enough
> inlet air pressure to the radiator but the air needs to escape on
the outlet
> side.
>   The dividends with the vented hood are less under hood pressure,
> temperature, lift and more down force.
> It would be interesting to see if the coolant & oil temperature
would
> decrease if just a vented hood was installed with a stock radiator.
This
> would tell you that the cooling capacity of the radiator is the
limiting
> factor if it dropped a few degrees.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of gary@...
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:06 AM
> To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures
>
> Pfadt Racing has the best C5 oil cooler. Vented hood also helps
> Gary
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "mitch-evans" <mitch-evans@...>
>
> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:25:42
> To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures
>
>
> Found this link regarding high oil temps:
> http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f90/high-oil-temp-trackday-110477/
>
> ME
>
> --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I have a 160 thermostat and the car was tuned by you. I have
seen
> > the Rippie version and I have also seen aftermarket radiators that
> > have engine oil cooling capability. Overpriced for me. However
the GM
> > automatic radiator is reasonably priced. Have you heard or
experienced
> > anyone swapping their radiator? My concern is that it may
restrict the
> > oil flow or reduce pressure. Z06's have a oil delivery problem
during
> > centrifugal forces and I don't want to make it worse. I've also
> > thought of mounting a small cooling fan on the factory oil cooler.
> > Where it is located from the factory doesn't allow for any air
flow.
> > What do you think of this idea? I know your company is very
innovative
> > and well respected for it's quality workmanship. Your opinion is
> > highly regarded.
> > Thanks for responding and I'm glad to see you are a member now.
If you
> > have any other alternative ideas, please pass them on. Or, better
yet,
> > if you have any specials..............
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "g8gt08" <g8gt08@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you have an aftermarket oil cooler system? We use Doug
Rippie oil
> > > cooler systems on the C5's with good luck, they are pricey
though.
> > > Also, is your corvette tuned? Do yopu have a low temp
thermostat?
> > > These things will also aid in having a cooler oil temperature.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > New Era Performance
> > > www.neweraperformanceparts.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to gather information to solve the hot engine oil
> > > > temperatures that the C5's and C6's experience on road
courses.
> > > > On warm days above 80 degrees oil temperatures rise above 280
> and in
> > > > some cases I'm hearing of over 300 degrees. I know synthetics
are
> > > > capable of high temps, but this is pretty extreme. I've seen
> > > > replacement radiators with engine oil cooling capability, but
the
> > > > expense is a bit extreme and I am looking for an alternative.
Any
> > ideas?
> > > > Perhaps a GM personnel is out there willing to help. Has
anyone
> heard
> > > > or experienced using a radiator out of an automatic trans
Vette and
> > > > cooled the engine oil through the trans oil cooler?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

The VW engine in an air cooled Porsche is the radiator that may or may not
have as much of an air flow problem as our Corvettes do. I know that the
rear engine hood is vented. I would guess that if they were driven to
extremes of a race track that they to would also need help.
I would ask around to see if the cooling capacity of the OEM oil cooler is
sufficient before I installed a fan on it. If it is not large enough you
could spend your $150 on a larger cooler to replace the OEM and get more for
your frugal money. I think that if a simple fan would work Pfadt & Rippie
would be selling electric fan kits.
Talk to Aaron Pfadt and he will tell you what you need to know.
Aaron is a vary smart engineer that is not afraid to give you advice.
What do they say on the Corvette Forum on the subject?

-----Original Message-----
From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of uvbnzd
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:58 AM
To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures

Thanks for all the insight that you have experienced. I agree with
everything that you have said. But, on the otherhand, Porsche has
been running an air cooled engine for years with an oil cooler that
works....as well as other manufacturers. My engine coolant
temperature has never been a problem...that I'm aware of. I will pay
closer attention next time on the track. Pfadt does have a nice
system, but any solution that requires $800 plus installation for 20-
40 minutes of track time is for the " I have nothing better to do
with my money". Sorry that I'm so frugile, but there has to be a more
economical way. Once the weather clears, I plan on putting an
auxillary fan on the stock oil cooler  with a temperature activated
switch. I estimate $150 for the complete package. If it works I'll
sell the idea to Pfadt, Dewitts, and Rippie.

--- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Bowler" <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Now that I am at my PC I can get more on the topic then using my
Blackberry.
> I did the DeWitts radiator that is 2x as thick and has 50% more
cooling
> surface on the engine & transmission oil cooler side. Mr DeWitts
told be
> that the only way that you will keep the coolant and oil temp down
is to
> increase air flow through his radiator. In other words, air flow is
the
> limiting factor if the radiator has the surface area to extract the
heat.
> The electric fans need to be programmed to come on sooner and stay
on high
> speed. The air flow is dependent on the restrictions to flow or
pressure
> drop created by the restrictions.
>
> This is one reason that all race Corvettes have vented hoods to
extract hot
> air from under the hood and increase air flow that is highly
restricted by
> the stock air flow path under the car. At speed you have more then
enough
> inlet air pressure to the radiator but the air needs to escape on
the outlet
> side.
>   The dividends with the vented hood are less under hood pressure,
> temperature, lift and more down force.
> It would be interesting to see if the coolant & oil temperature
would
> decrease if just a vented hood was installed with a stock radiator.
This
> would tell you that the cooling capacity of the radiator is the
limiting
> factor if it dropped a few degrees.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of gary@...
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:06 AM
> To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures
>
> Pfadt Racing has the best C5 oil cooler. Vented hood also helps
> Gary
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "mitch-evans" <mitch-evans@...>
>
> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:25:42
> To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures
>
>
> Found this link regarding high oil temps:
> http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f90/high-oil-temp-trackday-110477/
>
> ME
>
> --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I have a 160 thermostat and the car was tuned by you. I have
seen
> > the Rippie version and I have also seen aftermarket radiators that
> > have engine oil cooling capability. Overpriced for me. However
the GM
> > automatic radiator is reasonably priced. Have you heard or
experienced
> > anyone swapping their radiator? My concern is that it may
restrict the
> > oil flow or reduce pressure. Z06's have a oil delivery problem
during
> > centrifugal forces and I don't want to make it worse. I've also
> > thought of mounting a small cooling fan on the factory oil cooler.
> > Where it is located from the factory doesn't allow for any air
flow.
> > What do you think of this idea? I know your company is very
innovative
> > and well respected for it's quality workmanship. Your opinion is
> > highly regarded.
> > Thanks for responding and I'm glad to see you are a member now.
If you
> > have any other alternative ideas, please pass them on. Or, better
yet,
> > if you have any specials..............
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "g8gt08" <g8gt08@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you have an aftermarket oil cooler system? We use Doug
Rippie oil
> > > cooler systems on the C5's with good luck, they are pricey
though.
> > > Also, is your corvette tuned? Do yopu have a low temp
thermostat?
> > > These things will also aid in having a cooler oil temperature.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > New Era Performance
> > > www.neweraperformanceparts.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to gather information to solve the hot engine oil
> > > > temperatures that the C5's and C6's experience on road
courses.
> > > > On warm days above 80 degrees oil temperatures rise above 280
> and in
> > > > some cases I'm hearing of over 300 degrees. I know synthetics
are
> > > > capable of high temps, but this is pretty extreme. I've seen
> > > > replacement radiators with engine oil cooling capability, but
the
> > > > expense is a bit extreme and I am looking for an alternative.
Any
> > ideas?
> > > > Perhaps a GM personnel is out there willing to help. Has
anyone
> heard
> > > > or experienced using a radiator out of an automatic trans
Vette and
> > > > cooled the engine oil through the trans oil cooler?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Thanks for all the insight that you have experienced. I agree with
everything that you have said. But, on the otherhand, Porsche has
been running an air cooled engine for years with an oil cooler that
works....as well as other manufacturers. My engine coolant
temperature has never been a problem...that I'm aware of. I will pay
closer attention next time on the track. Pfadt does have a nice
system, but any solution that requires $800 plus installation for 20-
40 minutes of track time is for the " I have nothing better to do
with my money". Sorry that I'm so frugile, but there has to be a more
economical way. Once the weather clears, I plan on putting an
auxillary fan on the stock oil cooler  with a temperature activated
switch. I estimate $150 for the complete package. If it works I'll
sell the idea to Pfadt, Dewitts, and Rippie.

--- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Bowler" <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Now that I am at my PC I can get more on the topic then using my
Blackberry.
> I did the DeWitts radiator that is 2x as thick and has 50% more
cooling
> surface on the engine & transmission oil cooler side. Mr DeWitts
told be
> that the only way that you will keep the coolant and oil temp down
is to
> increase air flow through his radiator. In other words, air flow is
the
> limiting factor if the radiator has the surface area to extract the
heat.
> The electric fans need to be programmed to come on sooner and stay
on high
> speed. The air flow is dependent on the restrictions to flow or
pressure
> drop created by the restrictions.
>
> This is one reason that all race Corvettes have vented hoods to
extract hot
> air from under the hood and increase air flow that is highly
restricted by
> the stock air flow path under the car. At speed you have more then
enough
> inlet air pressure to the radiator but the air needs to escape on
the outlet
> side.
>   The dividends with the vented hood are less under hood pressure,
> temperature, lift and more down force.
> It would be interesting to see if the coolant & oil temperature
would
> decrease if just a vented hood was installed with a stock radiator.
This
> would tell you that the cooling capacity of the radiator is the
limiting
> factor if it dropped a few degrees.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of gary@...
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:06 AM
> To: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures
>
> Pfadt Racing has the best C5 oil cooler. Vented hood also helps
> Gary
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "mitch-evans" <mitch-evans@...>
>
> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:25:42
> To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures
>
>
> Found this link regarding high oil temps:
> http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f90/high-oil-temp-trackday-110477/
>
> ME
>
> --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I have a 160 thermostat and the car was tuned by you. I have
seen
> > the Rippie version and I have also seen aftermarket radiators that
> > have engine oil cooling capability. Overpriced for me. However
the GM
> > automatic radiator is reasonably priced. Have you heard or
experienced
> > anyone swapping their radiator? My concern is that it may
restrict the
> > oil flow or reduce pressure. Z06's have a oil delivery problem
during
> > centrifugal forces and I don't want to make it worse. I've also
> > thought of mounting a small cooling fan on the factory oil cooler.
> > Where it is located from the factory doesn't allow for any air
flow.
> > What do you think of this idea? I know your company is very
innovative
> > and well respected for it's quality workmanship. Your opinion is
> > highly regarded.
> > Thanks for responding and I'm glad to see you are a member now.
If you
> > have any other alternative ideas, please pass them on. Or, better
yet,
> > if you have any specials..............
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "g8gt08" <g8gt08@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you have an aftermarket oil cooler system? We use Doug
Rippie oil
> > > cooler systems on the C5's with good luck, they are pricey
though.
> > > Also, is your corvette tuned? Do yopu have a low temp
thermostat?
> > > These things will also aid in having a cooler oil temperature.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > New Era Performance
> > > www.neweraperformanceparts.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to gather information to solve the hot engine oil
> > > > temperatures that the C5's and C6's experience on road
courses.
> > > > On warm days above 80 degrees oil temperatures rise above 280
> and in
> > > > some cases I'm hearing of over 300 degrees. I know synthetics
are
> > > > capable of high temps, but this is pretty extreme. I've seen
> > > > replacement radiators with engine oil cooling capability, but
the
> > > > expense is a bit extreme and I am looking for an alternative.
Any
> > ideas?
> > > > Perhaps a GM personnel is out there willing to help. Has
anyone
> heard
> > > > or experienced using a radiator out of an automatic trans
Vette and
> > > > cooled the engine oil through the trans oil cooler?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Now that I am at my PC I can get more on the topic then using my Blackberry.
I did the DeWitts radiator that is 2x as thick and has 50% more cooling
surface on the engine & transmission oil cooler side. Mr DeWitts told be
that the only way that you will keep the coolant and oil temp down is to
increase air flow through his radiator. In other words, air flow is the
limiting factor if the radiator has the surface area to extract the heat.
The electric fans need to be programmed to come on sooner and stay on high
speed. The air flow is dependent on the restrictions to flow or pressure
drop created by the restrictions.

This is one reason that all race Corvettes have vented hoods to extract hot
air from under the hood and increase air flow that is highly restricted by
the stock air flow path under the car. At speed you have more then enough
inlet air pressure to the radiator but the air needs to escape on the outlet
side.
   The dividends with the vented hood are less under hood pressure,
temperature, lift and more down force.
It would be interesting to see if the coolant & oil temperature would
decrease if just a vented hood was installed with a stock radiator. This
would tell you that the cooling capacity of the radiator is the limiting
factor if it dropped a few degrees.

-----Original Message-----
From: RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of gary@...
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures

Pfadt Racing has the best C5 oil cooler. Vented hood also helps
Gary
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-----Original Message-----
From: "mitch-evans" <mitch-evans@...>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:25:42
To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures


Found this link regarding high oil temps:
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f90/high-oil-temp-trackday-110477/

ME

--- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have a 160 thermostat and the car was tuned by you. I have seen
> the Rippie version and I have also seen aftermarket radiators that
> have engine oil cooling capability. Overpriced for me. However the GM
> automatic radiator is reasonably priced. Have you heard or experienced
> anyone swapping their radiator? My concern is that it may restrict the
> oil flow or reduce pressure. Z06's have a oil delivery problem during
> centrifugal forces and I don't want to make it worse. I've also
> thought of mounting a small cooling fan on the factory oil cooler.
> Where it is located from the factory doesn't allow for any air flow.
> What do you think of this idea? I know your company is very innovative
> and well respected for it's quality workmanship. Your opinion is
> highly regarded.
> Thanks for responding and I'm glad to see you are a member now. If you
> have any other alternative ideas, please pass them on. Or, better yet,
> if you have any specials..............
>
>
>
> --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "g8gt08" <g8gt08@> wrote:
> >
> > Do you have an aftermarket oil cooler system? We use Doug Rippie oil
> > cooler systems on the C5's with good luck, they are pricey though.
> > Also, is your corvette tuned? Do yopu have a low temp thermostat?
> > These things will also aid in having a cooler oil temperature.
> >
> > Mike
> > New Era Performance
> > www.neweraperformanceparts.com
> >
> >
> > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm trying to gather information to solve the hot engine oil
> > > temperatures that the C5's and C6's experience on road courses.
> > > On warm days above 80 degrees oil temperatures rise above 280
and in
> > > some cases I'm hearing of over 300 degrees. I know synthetics are
> > > capable of high temps, but this is pretty extreme. I've seen
> > > replacement radiators with engine oil cooling capability, but the
> > > expense is a bit extreme and I am looking for an alternative. Any
> ideas?
> > > Perhaps a GM personnel is out there willing to help. Has anyone
heard
> > > or experienced using a radiator out of an automatic trans Vette and
> > > cooled the engine oil through the trans oil cooler?
> > >
> >
>




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Pfadt Racing has the best C5 oil cooler. Vented hood also helps
Gary
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "mitch-evans" <mitch-evans@...>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:25:42
To: <RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [RCCTrackers] Re: Hot engine oil temperatures


Found this link regarding high oil temps:
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f90/high-oil-temp-trackday-110477/

ME

--- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have a 160 thermostat and the car was tuned by you. I have seen
> the Rippie version and I have also seen aftermarket radiators that
> have engine oil cooling capability. Overpriced for me. However the GM
> automatic radiator is reasonably priced. Have you heard or experienced
> anyone swapping their radiator? My concern is that it may restrict the
> oil flow or reduce pressure. Z06's have a oil delivery problem during
> centrifugal forces and I don't want to make it worse. I've also
> thought of mounting a small cooling fan on the factory oil cooler.
> Where it is located from the factory doesn't allow for any air flow.
> What do you think of this idea? I know your company is very innovative
> and well respected for it's quality workmanship. Your opinion is
> highly regarded.
> Thanks for responding and I'm glad to see you are a member now. If you
> have any other alternative ideas, please pass them on. Or, better yet,
> if you have any specials..............
>
>
>
> --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "g8gt08" <g8gt08@> wrote:
> >
> > Do you have an aftermarket oil cooler system? We use Doug Rippie oil
> > cooler systems on the C5's with good luck, they are pricey though.
> > Also, is your corvette tuned? Do yopu have a low temp thermostat?
> > These things will also aid in having a cooler oil temperature.
> >
> > Mike
> > New Era Performance
> > www.neweraperformanceparts.com
> >
> >
> > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm trying to gather information to solve the hot engine oil
> > > temperatures that the C5's and C6's experience on road courses.
> > > On warm days above 80 degrees oil temperatures rise above 280
and in
> > > some cases I'm hearing of over 300 degrees. I know synthetics are
> > > capable of high temps, but this is pretty extreme. I've seen
> > > replacement radiators with engine oil cooling capability, but the
> > > expense is a bit extreme and I am looking for an alternative. Any
> ideas?
> > > Perhaps a GM personnel is out there willing to help. Has anyone
heard
> > > or experienced using a radiator out of an automatic trans Vette and
> > > cooled the engine oil through the trans oil cooler?
> > >
> >
>




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Found this link regarding high oil temps:
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f90/high-oil-temp-trackday-110477/

ME

--- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have a 160 thermostat and the car was tuned by you. I have seen
> the Rippie version and I have also seen aftermarket radiators that
> have engine oil cooling capability. Overpriced for me. However the GM
> automatic radiator is reasonably priced. Have you heard or experienced
> anyone swapping their radiator? My concern is that it may restrict the
> oil flow or reduce pressure. Z06's have a oil delivery problem during
> centrifugal forces and I don't want to make it worse. I've also
> thought of mounting a small cooling fan on the factory oil cooler.
> Where it is located from the factory doesn't allow for any air flow.
> What do you think of this idea? I know your company is very innovative
> and well respected for it's quality workmanship. Your opinion is
> highly regarded.
> Thanks for responding and I'm glad to see you are a member now. If you
> have any other alternative ideas, please pass them on. Or, better yet,
> if you have any specials..............
>
>
>
> --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "g8gt08" <g8gt08@> wrote:
> >
> > Do you have an aftermarket oil cooler system? We use Doug Rippie oil
> > cooler systems on the C5's with good luck, they are pricey though.
> > Also, is your corvette tuned? Do yopu have a low temp thermostat?
> > These things will also aid in having a cooler oil temperature.
> >
> > Mike
> > New Era Performance
> > www.neweraperformanceparts.com
> >
> >
> > --- In RCCTrackers@yahoogroups.com, "uvbnzd" <Mike.Je@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm trying to gather information to solve the hot engine oil
> > > temperatures that the C5's and C6's experience on road courses.
> > > On warm days above 80 degrees oil temperatures rise above 280
and in
> > > some cases I'm hearing of over 300 degrees. I know synthetics are
> > > capable of high temps, but this is pretty extreme. I've seen
> > > replacement radiators with engine oil cooling capability, but the
> > > expense is a bit extreme and I am looking for an alternative. Any
> ideas?
> > > Perhaps a GM personnel is out there willing to help. Has anyone
heard
> > > or experienced using a radiator out of an automatic trans Vette and
> > > cooled the engine oil through the trans oil cooler?
> > >
> >
>