....That "raw" and previously deleted information was not only sent to the FBI and Cheney's office, but to all the other intelligence agencies in the United States as well.  As the Washington Post stated on February 15, there is now a database of some 325,000 names of people "suspected" of having ties to terrorism.  You can be sure that many of those names entered that database as a result of DSP2.

And now you know about DSP2, the second in a long list of the administration's programs to spy on the American people in the name of the "war on terror".

This is cross-posted from Flogging the Simian
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=For stuff like this Wikipedia is often woefully inadequate. Sourcewatch, imho, does a more thorough job..

...we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew...

=Is this the same program As the one Russell Tice was talking about?
I like the numbers system. Should be expanded to all of BushCo's ongoing assaults-it's hard as hell to keep track of all the bleeding...

=Hard to say I wrote a diary about Tice's testimony.  He hasn't said (in public) what he wants to blow the whistle on, other than it's NOT DSP1, but from what he's said it looks like a data mining program.

==You can find an interview of Mr. Tice by Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! here.

="special access" surveillance
I read it here Russell D. Tice told the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations he has concerns about a "special access" electronic surveillance program that he characterized as far more wide-ranging than the warrentless wiretapping recently exposed by the New York Times but he is forbidden from discussing the program with Congress.

 The whole point of bringing this up was to show that he could not be an effective whistleblower in such cases where he is forbidden to talk to anyone at any level. He has "concerns" about the program, but his real motive is to get whistleblower policy addressed. I'm not sure what his concerns are, but he's making an enticing claim. He's right to point out that one cannot rely on whistleblowing in such secret programs. He's using whatever method will drive the point home, I guess.

==Think both are his goal Think he has somehting he wants to blow the whistle on, AND in process has come to care about the whistle-blowing laws.

=Probably so

 In the first program he comes up to the argument that there was at least a group of eight that had enough clearance for him to have some recourse. It makes his whistleblower argument appear weaker. He mentions a second program now to give an example where possibly no one has enough clearance. The concerns are probably the same for both programs (legality). I'm thinking he wasn't to keen on revealing the second if he feared reprisal, but he did so to prove his point. Either way, I'm glad he's doing it.

==Intel unvetted is Intel unvetted is garbage. BushCo is making us less safe because of that. 

Soj, use anonymous connections to the internets, you are now a person of interest for revealing these facts.

Thanks (for the advice.  I've been a target of ONCIX for at least two years now ;)

I also wrote a nice diary on HOW to browse anonymously if anyone's interested. Pax

Night and day you can find me Flogging the Simian
 
=When I read 1984 I thought "It could never happen; we're too smart". Well, it's here and Republicans want to keep it here. Every freakin one of them is a traitor.

Thanks for bringing this to us. It seems that Senators are aware of it; why aren't they all over this and asking how that helps national security?

==We used to be too smart. Then, they started cutting education. It went downhill from there.

==Back the truck up a second.  Spying has been touted as an essential tool for the war on terra.  Since they just sold six american port to...ya.. you guessed it..the Islamofascists.  Yes, this man has a memory greater than 30 seconds.  Hmm. then this must mean that the war on terra is complete bullshit.
Spying then is to route out the domestic terraists.

I'm still waiting for our very own Krystalnacht.It's coming Just listen to right wing hate radio. This propaganda arm of the Republican party is laying the groundwork for a violent attack against their political enemies. They have been doing so at least as far back as the first release of the Abu Ghraib photos. I wasn't paying attention before that.

Conservatives are engaged in one of the oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior justification of selfishness.-- John Galbraith (roughly)

==I'll have to trot on over to the troglodyte sites and check on the situation over theweekend. I really hate that as it just drains energy out of me.

=Let us know what you find and thank you for being the canary in the coal mine for the rest of us. 

There's just so much I can take.

 "All just power is derived from the consent of the governed." - John Locke

=Excellent clarification This is good work and could be very useful to lawmakers who do not carry domestic spying as part of their portfolios.  I am hoping that more will get their backs up about this.  Several moderate Republicans are worried, which is good news.  I am waiting for some Senator or House Member to be one of the intelligence gathering targets.  Does anyone doubt that those folks' communications are tapped?

Ideologies separate us. Dreams and anguish bring us together. -Eugene Ionesco

==Maybe why they sit on their butts and don't save our country from Bush-Cheneycorruption here and in the Middle-East!

=Indeed . . . this is a scary thought.  These lawmakers would have to be living in La-La Land to have not had this thought cross their minds.

==Maybe why Harry Whitington apologized to Dick? Because he knows he could be destroyed if he talked?

I mean, the govt now truly has the goods on everyone.  And no one's calling them on it.  No one's looking over their shoulder. Not to mention, they can make up whatever they want.   (Yellowcake, anyone?)

Everyone is at risk.  Everyone.

=One already is a target There was a diary about this yesterday I think. It's The GOP Piefight: Bush Spying on Republicans: http://www.dailykos.com/...

"U.S. government in hands of psychopaths." -- Paul Craig Roberts

===There is alot of interest particularly on my part (witness in COINTELPRO, wife of Oracle database architect). Thanks.

"A nation may lose its liberties in a day and not miss them in a century." Montesquieu

==Years ago, Larry Ellison said something to the effect of "Privacy?  No one has privacy.  Grow up." I'd love to hear more on these spying programs.  DSP3?  who knew?

=Actually that was Sun Microsystems CEO Scott McNealy who said that, where Larry Ellison in 2001 said, 'The privacy you are so concerned about is largely an illusion.'  I believe that both statements are true. I am very concerned about the uses and the abuses of datamining none the less.

=It's an article of faith, not an illusion.

I never belived there was privacy in my electronic communications - not since the NSA bought its first Cray.  But, I used to have faith that those who were adminsitering NSA programs had a professional duty to minimize, and did so, because it was the law.  Now, there isn't even the law.

Can we trust the NSA professionals to keep all that data out of the hands of those who think warrants and laws are meaningless, and who want to use it as a tool for domestic political advantage? 
In a word  Nope.

=Please do diary about additional domestic spying and domestic surveillance programs.Awesome diary, thanks so much for the extraordinary effort.

=Oy. Why did I just know there would be a DSP3, too? How long do you intend for this series to run, exactly? I don't sleep well as it is.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

===Stand up against illegal domestic spying http://www.MoveOn.org is organizing vigils across the country this Wednesday.  Please check here to find the one closest to you.

Stay strong!  Be vocal!

==Vigils against domestic spying? MoveOn.org might as well organize to prevent the U.S. invasion of Iraq.  It's a little late for that now that the Patriot Act has been renewed. What a waste of time, talent and money.

==Thank you Soj.

You do amazing work. Not everyone can, day-after-day, month after month, absorb so much material from so many sources then distill it down so others can see its significance in a few minutes.

I hope some folks who are similarly appreciative of your efforts and talents will stop by your blog and make a donation to enable you to continue your work.

==That raw intelligence sharing is the Patriot Act

Why is this news to anyone, except those who can't read and understand legislation without its being masticated and regurgitated by pundits in the MSM and blogosphere?

If it is a surprise to you that the FBI is now getting the "raw take" on US persons, then you simply are without a clue, and probably won't notice that we no longer have a Fourth Amendment protections.  You don't have privacy rights anymore, and NSA isn't minimizing anything.

Welcome to reality.  Now, what are you going to do about it?

=They hate us for our freedoms... therefore, we will not only restrict freedom, we will destroy civil liberties and rights.  They hate us for our freedoms, but we love globalization even more, so we will allow a UAE company to take over our ports, we will allow a UAE (United Arabs E...)  citizen to work with TSA Mineta concerning Ports.

We will allow our country to go into extreme national debt with China purchasing the majority of it, and Japan and China owning the #1 and #2 position of all of our debt, this while we cede manufacturing toward the one country that has almost equal #s of nukes as we do...

We are operating at the most extreme levels of trading, with the USA suffering the highest levels of trading deficits that have ever been seen in the history of our country; but we will support more free trade, more selling off of debt, more manufacture and abandonment of USA companies expanding their trade.

We will support and endorse Yahoo, Google and Microsoft to endorse limiting freedom while they build up their corporate profit in China...  This benefits Americans, don't you know???