We'll meet at Bethesda Fountain in Central Park (72nd St. mid-Park) and
scoot north around the Park.

Our group is almost up to 100 members. Some members joined because they
were considering buying or had just bought kick scooters. Newbies are
invited to post their comments and experiences using a scooter instead
of whatever you used to get around town before.

Larry and I play tennis regularly at the 119th street courts in
Riverside Park. Afterwards we enjoy scooting through the Park and along
the river down to 66th Street. It's an exhilerating ride on a sunny
summer day!

Hello,

I am looking for a xooter but balking at the fee. If you have one you
are no longer using or looking to sell, please drop me a line.

Thanks :-)
Shane

You can call the Xootr factory 1-800-816-2724 and ask if they have any
refurbished (returned) units.  Typically they will give you about a 20%
savings plus free shipping.  I'd recommend a MG model with fender- and
fortunately it's the most popular type so likely they will have one available.

--- On Sun, 6/8/08, stilllivinginnewyorkcity
<stilllivinginnewyorkcity@...> wrote:
From: stilllivinginnewyorkcity <stilllivinginnewyorkcity@...>
Subject: [NYCKickScooters] Anyone have a xootr to sell?
To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 12:56 PM











             Hello,



I am looking for a xooter but balking at the fee. If you have one you

are no longer using or looking to sell, please drop me a line.



Thanks :-)

Shane


























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Hi everyone,

New member here: Just got my MG last week and I love it so far.

I noticed rattling coming from the rear fender too. The manager from
Xootr was right: the metal brake piece separates from the plastic
fender. My MG actually already had an adhesive felt pad applied in
between these two pieces, but it still rattled. Plus, I didn't like
how the two pieces would separate so easily.

It would have been better if Xootr had bolted the two pieces together
properly.

Anyway, the solution I came up with is: I unbolted the rear fender,
then re-installed just the metal brake piece. The plastic cover didn't
seem to do anything anyway, and I wanted to keep the rear brake.

This has eliminated the rear rattling noise, while still keeping the
rear brake. I just have to put up with a little more splash in puddles
(which I already get from the front wheel anyway).

Other than that, I am enjoying the scooter. It's a great form of
exercise. Nice change of pace from inline skating, running, and cycling.

Larry and I look forward to meeting you at Bethesda Fountain in Central
Park (72nd St. mid-Park) and scooting north around the Park. It should
be a beautiful and not-too-hot day.

If you need to borrow a Xootr email me at dorlene@....

See you there!

hey, i got to the fountain this morning at 11am , almost on the dot.... but
didn't see any
scooters :(    sorry to have missed you all...was i at the right meeting spot?

I'm sorry we didn't connect, Sum. I may have given you the wrong directions. We
meet on the bridge overlooking the fountain, not downstairs at the fountain
itself. I apologize for misleading you. If you can make the ride next month
(July 12th @ 11am) please let me know and I'll be sure to look out for you.
 
Dorlene

--- On Sat, 6/14/08, sumbuddi2001 <sumbuddi2001@...> wrote:

From: sumbuddi2001 <sumbuddi2001@...>
Subject: [NYCKickScooters] bethesda fountain....11am
To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 2:24 PM






hey, i got to the fountain this morning at 11am , almost on the dot.... but
didn't see any
scooters :( sorry to have missed you all...was i at the right meeting spot?















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hi,
new member also and new owner of a xootr (mg).  really like scooting but the
rattling was
hard to ignore. as suggested, i also tried the adhesive strip trick. the noise
decreased but
did not go away. what seems to have worked for me eventually was felt weather
stripping!
the 3/4" width fits perfectly and when doubled up (piggybacked), it wedges very
snugly
between the fender and the metal.  adhesives not necessary  :)
worth a try! maybe sacrificing  the fender won't be necessary if you like the
result ....





--- In NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com, "rolbud" <rolbud@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> New member here: Just got my MG last week and I love it so far.
>
> I noticed rattling coming from the rear fender too. The manager from
> Xootr was right: the metal brake piece separates from the plastic
> fender. My MG actually already had an adhesive felt pad applied in
> between these two pieces, but it still rattled. Plus, I didn't like
> how the two pieces would separate so easily.
>
> It would have been better if Xootr had bolted the two pieces together
> properly.
>
> Anyway, the solution I came up with is: I unbolted the rear fender,
> then re-installed just the metal brake piece. The plastic cover didn't
> seem to do anything anyway, and I wanted to keep the rear brake.
>
> This has eliminated the rear rattling noise, while still keeping the
> rear brake. I just have to put up with a little more splash in puddles
> (which I already get from the front wheel anyway).
>
> Other than that, I am enjoying the scooter. It's a great form of
> exercise. Nice change of pace from inline skating, running, and cycling.
>

We'll meet on the bridge overlooking Bethesda Fountain. I'll post a
reminder a few days before with my cellphone number in case you're late
or can't find us. Be safe and have fun scooting these beautiful summer
days!

I hope it's ok to post a for sale message?
I've decided to sell my Xootr MG, so if anyone interested I have it on
craigslist: http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/745414231.html
Since I did a nosedive couple of months ago, I'm now scared to ride it
:(  Even more since I live on top of a VERY steep hill... I guess this
is a good bye. I might get one again if I move to a more flat area :)

Hello Everyone,

I am a new member hoping for some much-needed advice.

I am trying to decide on a kick scooter to buy for my shorter
Manhattan
commutes. It will be my first scooter. I was going to get the razor
pro, until I heard that the small wheels were not the best at handling
bumps, twigs, & cracks. I cannot spend more than $120, and I am hoping
to spend less than $80.

I am looking the most at the Titan ("freestyle pro") brand scooter
and
the Viza air push scooter.
I was also looking alot at the razor cruiser.

I am 5'8, and with my huge loaded back-pack, I am probably going to
weigh a little over 150lbs.

I am sure there are many more makes and models out there, though, and
I
would really appreciate your suggestions!!! Any reviews of the titan,
Viza,cruiser or similar scooters would be wonderful.

Thank You!! :)
Kristine spark_488

--- In NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com, "Kristine" <spark_488@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am a new member hoping for some much-needed advice.
>
> I am trying to decide on a kick scooter to buy for my shorter
> Manhattan
> commutes. It will be my first scooter. I was going to get the razor
> pro, until I heard that the small wheels were not the best at handling
> bumps, twigs, & cracks. I cannot spend more than $120, and I am hoping
> to spend less than $80.
>
> I am looking the most at the Titan ("freestyle pro") brand scooter
> and
> the Viza air push scooter.
> I was also looking alot at the razor cruiser.
>
> I am 5'8, and with my huge loaded back-pack, I am probably going to
> weigh a little over 150lbs.
>
> I am sure there are many more makes and models out there, though, and
> I
> would really appreciate your suggestions!!! Any reviews of the titan,
> Viza,cruiser or similar scooters would be wonderful.
>
> Thank You!! :)
> Kristine spark_488
>

Hi Kristine,

Bratan (in this group) posted about wanting to sell his Xootr MG.
---
I've decided to sell my Xootr MG, so if anyone interested I have it on
craigslist: http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/745414231.html
---
I got the MG as a first Xootr and am really happy with its performance.

Thank you for considering a kick scooter for commuting in Manhattan,
Kristine.

Your price ceiling limits you to the narrow platform, small-wheel
Razor-type scooters, which aren't safe for adult commuting. Not only
do they not handle bumps, ruts, twigs and sidewalk grooves well, but
they tend to fishtail easily.

The only two kick scooters currently manufactured that are suitable
for adult urban transport are the Xootr (http://www.xootr.com) and the
Know-Ped (http://www.goped.com/products/knowped/default.asp). You can
buy a new Know-Ped for $139 on this website:
http://store.gopedbrandscooters.com/knowped.html.

If you're willing to pay this amount and want to try before you buy, I
have a Know-Ped you're welcome to borrow for a couple of days. If not,
I recommend you consider purchasing a bicycle instead. There's a
nice-looking 10-speed on CraigsList for just $50:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/746184744.html.

Hi Kristine,

Good luck in your search for your first scooter.

I have a Xootr MG, which I use for commuting. Like you, I sometimes
carry a heavy backpack (containing a laptop). I couldn't imagine
carrying this backpack on a smaller, narrower deck than the Xootr.

Many inexpensive scooters have smaller, "rollerblade" style wheels
that require more kicking to keep up momentum. Look for the largest
diameter wheel you can find, to get maximum efficiency in your commute.

One design feature I appreciate on the Xootr scooter is the front hand
brake. Inexpensive scooters only have a rear brake, which is not ideal
for commuting with a loaded backpack.

The wider deck of a Xootr allows you to switch kicking feet easily and
allows you to get a good center of balance.

Research carefully and make sure the reviews you read are from people
who use the scooter the way you intend to use it. There are many rave
reviews about Razor scooters, but many reviewers use them for stunts
and "street tricks". The features that make many scooters great for
street tricks also make them not ideal for commuting.

I suggest trying to find a used Xootr. But even if you find a good
quality used scooter, factor in that you may have to replace worn out
components sooner than you think. Wheels, brake components, and
bearings need replacement and maintenance. The price of "fixing up" an
old scooter may be higher than just buying a good high quality new
scooter.

Whatever scooter you purchase, try to find out the cost of replacement
wheels and bearings. You may be surprised at the cost of maintaining
your scooter once you have it.

You may want to consider saving up a little longer until you can
purchase a scooter designed specifically for commuting such as a Xootr
or possibly a Knowped. Both of these scooters are above your price
point, but you may be better off saving up a bit more and buy later,
rather than being disappointed in a less expensive alternative now.

Of course, I always hear about people finding incredible deals online,
and you might be one of them. If you can find a used Xootr MG in good
condition for $80, buy it!!! Good luck in purchasing your scooter!

Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough advice to Kristine, Rolbud.
I think that many people who know the cost of a Razor assume that
Xootrs are over-priced. I ride a Xootr Roma, which has a narrow
platform (I don't switch feet) and is often mistaken for a Razor. When
people ask me about it and I tell them the cost they seem surprised
and often comment that they've seen them in ads or stores for $20 or
$30. It's difficult to convince them that a Xootr is different from a
Razor and well worth the price. I scoot every day and, other than the
brakes, have had very little need for maintenance.

I suggest trying NYCeWheels (http://nycewheels.com) for a used Xootr.
I know one person who got a good buy on one there.

I'm looking forward to scooting with you tomorrow morning! We meet on
the bridge overlooking Bethesda Fountain in Central Park (72nd St.
mid-Park) at 11am and scoot east and then north around the Park. If
you need to borrow a scooter (Xootr) you can pick it up at 10:45. If
you need to call me for any reason my cell is 212-542-0481.

Really wish I could make it - am looking at two apartments tomorrow.
Moving in Manhattan ain't easy. :)

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Dorlene <dorlene@...> wrote:
> I'm looking forward to scooting with you tomorrow morning! We meet on
> the bridge overlooking Bethesda Fountain in Central Park (72nd St.
> mid-Park) at 11am and scoot east and then north around the Park. If
> you need to borrow a scooter (Xootr) you can pick it up at 10:45. If
> you need to call me for any reason my cell is 212-542-0481.
>
>



--
Mike - miketheman@...
http://www.MikeTheMan.net

Hello,
Everyone, thank you so much for your kind help and advice!
I decided on a knowped :)
I can't wait to get it in the mail!!!

Thanks again!!!
Kristine

We'll meet on the bridge overlooking Bethesda Fountain mid-Park at
72nd St. Looking for free, interesting, and cool things to scoot to
during these warm summer evenings? Try attending the free author
events at the Barnes & Noble bookstores. There are events nearly every
evening, often featuring celebrity authors. To find the ones near you
click http://storelocator.barnesandnoble.com.

What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city streets?  Are
they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the considered
vehicles that need to ride in the street?  Riding in the street sounds
dangerous.

Does anyone know the rules and/or have experiences they can relate?

I spoke to an authority at the Dept. of Transportation who informed me that
there are no laws against riding a kick scooter on the sidewalks in NYC. Not
yet. That said, I feel safer in the street, where you ride with traffic and in
the bike lanes wherever possible. You need to be careful of taxi doors opening
unexpectedly -- it's happened to me more than once -- and watch for ruts in the
road. If you scoot on the sidewalk always cross the grooves at an angle, be wary
of people meandering and darting in and out of stores, and ride slowly. 

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@...> wrote:
From: bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@...>
Subject: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM











             What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city streets? 
Are

they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the considered

vehicles that need to ride in the street?  Riding in the street sounds

dangerous.



Does anyone know the rules and/or have experiences they can relate?


























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I agree with Dorlene...I feel safer in the street, since I can take bumps
better (jump/kick over) at high speeds than at sidewalk speeds...all those
sidewalk grooves kill me.

Do watch out for subways, though...I once rose my Xootr down a long, empty
passageway and got a $100 ticket at the end!

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Dorlene Kaplan <dorlene@...> wrote:

>   I spoke to an authority at the Dept. of Transportation who informed me
> that there are no laws against riding a kick scooter on the sidewalks in
> NYC. Not yet. That said, I feel safer in the street, where you ride with
> traffic and in the bike lanes wherever possible. You need to be careful of
> taxi doors opening unexpectedly -- it's happened to me more than once -- and
> watch for ruts in the road. If you scoot on the sidewalk always cross the
> grooves at an angle, be wary of people meandering and darting in and out of
> stores, and ride slowly.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@...<bigbadman0%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> From: bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@... <bigbadman0%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
> To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com <NYCKickScooters%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM
>
>
> What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city streets? Are
>
> they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the considered
>
> vehicles that need to ride in the street? Riding in the street sounds
>
> dangerous.
>
> Does anyone know the rules and/or have experiences they can relate?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>



--
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http://www.design21sdn.com/people/28/posts
http://www.coroflot.com/dstillman


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It's funny, but I've never considered riding in the street.  One of the main
benefits of a scooter from my point of view was that I could not identify any
laws against riding them on the sidewalks, which made them different from bikes
and far less risky in my opinion.  I know too many people who've cracked up
their bikes commuting.  I only ever ride on the sidewalk, but try to stay
essentially on York, where pedestrian traffic is very light.   In two years of
riding I've gotten two negative comments.  One from a guy who told me to slow
down, even though he was sitting on a bench and not actually on the sidewalk,
and the second from an oldish lady (just two days ago), who called me an idiot. 
When I stopped to ask her why she said that, she told me that I should not be
riding on the sidewalk.  I wasn't as nice to her in replying as I might
have been.   
 
Those who ride in the street, do you wear helmets?  I do not wear one riding on
the sidewalk; another nice benefit from my point of view.
 From: daniel stillman <dastillman@...>
Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:47 PM






I agree with Dorlene...I feel safer in the street, since I can take bumps
better (jump/kick over) at high speeds than at sidewalk speeds...all those
sidewalk grooves kill me.

Do watch out for subways, though...I once rose my Xootr down a long, empty
passageway and got a $100 ticket at the end!

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Dorlene Kaplan <dorlene@yahoo. com> wrote:

> I spoke to an authority at the Dept. of Transportation who informed me
> that there are no laws against riding a kick scooter on the sidewalks in
> NYC. Not yet. That said, I feel safer in the street, where you ride with
> traffic and in the bike lanes wherever possible. You need to be careful of
> taxi doors opening unexpectedly -- it's happened to me more than once -- and
> watch for ruts in the road. If you scoot on the sidewalk always cross the
> grooves at an angle, be wary of people meandering and darting in and out of
> stores, and ride slowly.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@yahoo. com<bigbadman0% 40yahoo.com>
>
> wrote:
> From: bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@yahoo. com <bigbadman0% 40yahoo.com> >
> Subject: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
> To: NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups. com <NYCKickScooters% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM
>
>
> What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city streets? Are
>
> they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the considered
>
> vehicles that need to ride in the street? Riding in the street sounds
>
> dangerous.
>
> Does anyone know the rules and/or have experiences they can relate?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

--
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http://www.design21 sdn.com/people/ 28/posts
http://www.coroflot .com/dstillman

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I live out west and do most of my riding on streets, highway shoulders, and
paved bike
trails.  My riding conditions are not usually so urban, but being an avid xootr
rider I'm
naturally conscious of maintaining my right to the road, and so I was following
this conversation with some interest.  The only places where law enforcement has
actually
confronted me and threatened me with a citation for riding a xootr on the road
is in national parks and monuments.  This has happened in more than one, so I
assume that it must be a consistent policy.  In a couple of the these (Zion and
Arches) there are also some short
stretches of paved bike path where the rangers said that I could ride.  In most
of these
sites, the roads are narrow and the traffic is unpredictable, and so I don't
consider losing
those rides to be a big deal. 
 
I've been riding consistently in my small community in Utah for over five years
now, and I think that all the local police and deputies are probably familiar
with me.  Being the only adult representative of this sport here that I know of,
I make a reasonable effort to be courteous in traffic (pedestrian and
motorized), and I often wave and smile at the local cops when they drive past
(only for PR purposes, of course). Sometimes they wave back, and they've never
bothered me.  My town is a tourist destination with heavy pedestrian use of the
downtown sidewalks, and there are signs prohibiting bicycles, skateboards, etc.
posted there.  I think that's a backwards attitude, but I usually honor it
anyway in the hope that my particular device won't cross the radar of the people
who might want to crash my party.  I worry that some people automatically peg me
as an outlaw skateboarder,  and so I want to dispel that notion when possible. 
Not that I have
  anything against responsible boarding, other than the fact that those devices
usually lack brakes, which seems like an unnecessary risk when other people are
around.
 
 

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, John Margiotta <swimminglaps@...> wrote:

From: John Margiotta <swimminglaps@...>
Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:03 PM

It's funny, but I've never considered riding in the street.  One of the
main benefits of a scooter from my point of view was that I could not identify
any laws against riding them on the sidewalks, which made them different from
bikes and far less risky in my opinion.  I know too many people who've
cracked up their bikes commuting.  I only ever ride on the sidewalk, but try to
stay essentially on York, where pedestrian traffic is very light.   In two
years of riding I've gotten two negative comments.  One from a guy who
told me to slow down, even though he was sitting on a bench and not actually on
the sidewalk, and the second from an oldish lady (just two days ago), who called
me an idiot.  When I stopped to ask her why she said that, she told me that I
should not be riding on the sidewalk.  I wasn't as nice to her in
replying as I might have been.   
 
Those who ride in the street, do you wear helmets?  I do not wear one riding
on the sidewalk; another nice benefit from my point of view.
 From: daniel stillman <dastillman@...>
Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:47 PM






I agree with Dorlene...I feel safer in the street, since I can take bumps
better (jump/kick over) at high speeds than at sidewalk speeds...all those
sidewalk grooves kill me.

Do watch out for subways, though...I once rose my Xootr down a long, empty
passageway and got a $100 ticket at the end!

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Dorlene Kaplan <dorlene@yahoo. com>
wrote:

> I spoke to an authority at the Dept. of Transportation who informed me
> that there are no laws against riding a kick scooter on the sidewalks in
> NYC. Not yet. That said, I feel safer in the street, where you ride with
> traffic and in the bike lanes wherever possible. You need to be careful of
> taxi doors opening unexpectedly -- it's happened to me more than once
-- and
> watch for ruts in the road. If you scoot on the sidewalk always cross the
> grooves at an angle, be wary of people meandering and darting in and out
of
> stores, and ride slowly.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@yahoo. com<bigbadman0%
40yahoo.com> >
> wrote:
> From: bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@yahoo. com <bigbadman0% 40yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
> To: NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups. com <NYCKickScooters% 40yahoogroups.
com>
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM
>
>
> What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city streets? Are
>
> they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the considered
>
> vehicles that need to ride in the street? Riding in the street sounds
>
> dangerous.
>
> Does anyone know the rules and/or have experiences they can relate?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Bummer, Daniel! Most of the subway stations are too congested to
consider riding a scooter in them but some are not. I used to ride the
F between 57th/6th and Roosevelt Island and the stations were usually
deserted so I'd scoot in them. One time a subway employee stopped me
so I haven't done it since. I guess if you get caught by a police
officer it will cost you.

I know that cyclists get ticketed for riding on the footpaths in
Central Park but don't know if that applies to kick scooters. I
suppose one of these days I'll find out!


--- In NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com, "daniel stillman"
<dastillman@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Dorlene...I feel safer in the street, since I can take
bumps
> better (jump/kick over) at high speeds than at sidewalk speeds...all
those
> sidewalk grooves kill me.
>
> Do watch out for subways, though...I once rose my Xootr down a long,
empty
> passageway and got a $100 ticket at the end!
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Dorlene Kaplan <dorlene@...> wrote:
>
> >   I spoke to an authority at the Dept. of Transportation who
informed me
> > that there are no laws against riding a kick scooter on the
sidewalks in
> > NYC. Not yet. That said, I feel safer in the street, where you
ride with
> > traffic and in the bike lanes wherever possible. You need to be
careful of
> > taxi doors opening unexpectedly -- it's happened to me more than
once -- and
> > watch for ruts in the road. If you scoot on the sidewalk always
cross the
> > grooves at an angle, be wary of people meandering and darting in
and out of
> > stores, and ride slowly.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, bigbadman0
<bigbadman0@...<bigbadman0%40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> > From: bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@... <bigbadman0%40yahoo.com>>
> > Subject: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
> > To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com
<NYCKickScooters%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM
> >
> >
> > What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city streets? Are
> >
> > they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the considered
> >
> > vehicles that need to ride in the street? Riding in the street sounds
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I do not wear a helmut, John. Not on the street, not on the sidewalk,
not in the park, I do not wear one anywhere! I don't wear sunscreen
either. Please don't admonish me. I hear it all the time!

--- In NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com, John Margiotta
<swimminglaps@...> wrote:
>
> It's funny, but I've never considered riding in the street.  One of
the main benefits of a scooter from my point of view was that I could
not identify any laws against riding them on the sidewalks, which made
them different from bikes and far less risky in my opinion.  I know
too many people who've cracked up their bikes commuting.  I only ever
ride on the sidewalk, but try to stay essentially on York, where
pedestrian traffic is very light.   In two years of riding I've gotten
two negative comments.  One from a guy who told me to slow down, even
though he was sitting on a bench and not actually on the sidewalk, and
the second from an oldish lady (just two days ago), who called me an
idiot.  When I stopped to ask her why she said that, she told me that
I should not be riding on the sidewalk.  I wasn't as nice to her in
replying as I might have been.   
>  
> Those who ride in the street, do you wear helmets?  I do not wear
one riding on the sidewalk; another nice benefit from my point of view.
>  From: daniel stillman <dastillman@...>
> Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
> To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:47 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I agree with Dorlene...I feel safer in the street, since I can take
bumps
> better (jump/kick over) at high speeds than at sidewalk speeds...all
those
> sidewalk grooves kill me.
>
> Do watch out for subways, though...I once rose my Xootr down a long,
empty
> passageway and got a $100 ticket at the end!
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Dorlene Kaplan <dorlene@yahoo. com>
wrote:
>
> > I spoke to an authority at the Dept. of Transportation who informed me
> > that there are no laws against riding a kick scooter on the
sidewalks in
> > NYC. Not yet. That said, I feel safer in the street, where you
ride with
> > traffic and in the bike lanes wherever possible. You need to be
careful of
> > taxi doors opening unexpectedly -- it's happened to me more than
once -- and
> > watch for ruts in the road. If you scoot on the sidewalk always
cross the
> > grooves at an angle, be wary of people meandering and darting in
and out of
> > stores, and ride slowly.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@yahoo. com<bigbadman0%
40yahoo.com> >
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> >
> >
> > What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city streets? Are
> >
> > they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the considered
> >
> > vehicles that need to ride in the street? Riding in the street sounds
> >
> > dangerous.
> >
> > Does anyone know the rules and/or have experiences they can relate?
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You've been riding a kick scooter for five years and you're still the only adult
scootist where you live, Phil? Amazing! One of these days the people in your
community will catch on to what a terrific mode of transportation it is.
Meanwhile you're setting a good example for kick scooter courtesy.

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Phil <philbostic2003@...> wrote:
From: Phil <philbostic2003@...>
Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 7:57 PM











             I live out west and do most of my riding on streets, highway
shoulders, and paved bike

trails.  My riding conditions are not usually so urban, but being an avid xootr
rider I'm

naturally conscious of maintaining my right to the road, and so I was following
this conversation with some interest.  The only places where law enforcement has
actually

confronted me and threatened me with a citation for riding a xootr on the road
is in national parks and monuments.  This has happened in more than one, so I
assume that it must be a consistent policy.  In a couple of the these (Zion and
Arches) there are also some short

stretches of paved bike path where the rangers said that I could ride.  In most
of these

sites, the roads are narrow and the traffic is unpredictable, and so I don't
consider losing

those rides to be a big deal. 

 

I've been riding consistently in my small community in Utah for over five years
now, and I think that all the local police and deputies are probably familiar
with me.  Being the only adult representative of this sport here that I know of,
I make a reasonable effort to be courteous in traffic (pedestrian and
motorized), and I often wave and smile at the local cops when they drive past
(only for PR purposes, of course). Sometimes they wave back, and they've never
bothered me.  My town is a tourist destination with heavy pedestrian use of the
downtown sidewalks, and there are signs prohibiting bicycles, skateboards, etc.
posted there.  I think that's a backwards attitude, but I usually honor it
anyway in the hope that my particular device won't cross the radar of the people
who might want to crash my party.  I worry that some people automatically peg me
as an outlaw skateboarder,  and so I want to dispel that notion when possible. 
Not that I have

  anything against responsible boarding, other than the fact that those devices
usually lack brakes, which seems like an unnecessary risk when other people are
around.

 

 



--- On Mon, 8/4/08, John Margiotta <swimminglaps@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: John Margiotta <swimminglaps@ yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters

To: NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:03 PM



It's funny, but I've never considered riding in the street.  One of the

main benefits of a scooter from my point of view was that I could not identify

any laws against riding them on the sidewalks, which made them different from

bikes and far less risky in my opinion.  I know too many people who've

cracked up their bikes commuting.  I only ever ride on the sidewalk, but try to

stay essentially on York, where pedestrian traffic is very light.   In two

years of riding I've gotten two negative comments.  One from a guy who

told me to slow down, even though he was sitting on a bench and not actually on

the sidewalk, and the second from an oldish lady (just two days ago), who called

me an idiot.  When I stopped to ask her why she said that, she told me that I

should not be riding on the sidewalk.  I wasn't as nice to her in

replying as I might have been.   

 

Those who ride in the street, do you wear helmets?  I do not wear one riding

on the sidewalk; another nice benefit from my point of view.

 From: daniel stillman <dastillman@gmail. com>

Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters

To: NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:47 PM



I agree with Dorlene...I feel safer in the street, since I can take bumps

better (jump/kick over) at high speeds than at sidewalk speeds...all those

sidewalk grooves kill me.



Do watch out for subways, though...I once rose my Xootr down a long, empty

passageway and got a $100 ticket at the end!



On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Dorlene Kaplan <dorlene@yahoo. com>

wrote:



> I spoke to an authority at the Dept. of Transportation who informed me

> that there are no laws against riding a kick scooter on the sidewalks in

> NYC. Not yet. That said, I feel safer in the street, where you ride with

> traffic and in the bike lanes wherever possible. You need to be careful of

> taxi doors opening unexpectedly -- it's happened to me more than once

-- and

> watch for ruts in the road. If you scoot on the sidewalk always cross the

> grooves at an angle, be wary of people meandering and darting in and out

of

> stores, and ride slowly.

>

> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@ yahoo. com<bigbadman0%

40yahoo.com> >

> wrote:

> From: bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@ yahoo. com <bigbadman0% 40yahoo.com>

>

> Subject: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters

> To: NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups. com <NYCKickScooters% 40yahoogroups.

com>

> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM

>

>

> What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city streets? Are

>

> they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the considered

>

> vehicles that need to ride in the street? Riding in the street sounds

>

> dangerous.

>

> Does anyone know the rules and/or have experiences they can relate?

>

>

>

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>

>

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Been scootering out here(Sacramento,CA) about 5  months and just got the first
flat from a goat-head.   This I can handle.....

      Still waiting for someone to put up a 'tude with these clean, fun, healthy
vehicles.   My plan is to stop, pull over and ask......"are you having a good
day?"    Or ........"remember when you were a kid and enjoyed cruising along on
a bicycle/skateboard/scooter?.........want to take this one for a spin?"       
The goal is to turn on more people to getting on board with alternative
Xportation.

       fletch





To: NYCKickScooters@...: dorlene@...: Mon, 4 Aug 2008
19:27:21 -0700Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters




You've been riding a kick scooter for five years and you're still the only adult
scootist where you live, Phil? Amazing! One of these days the people in your
community will catch on to what a terrific mode of transportation it is.
Meanwhile you're setting a good example for kick scooter courtesy. --- On Mon,
8/4/08, Phil <philbostic2003@...> wrote:From: Phil
<philbostic2003@...>Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding
scootersTo: NYCKickScooters@...: Monday, August 4, 2008, 7:57
PMI live out west and do most of my riding on streets, highway shoulders, and
paved biketrails.  My riding conditions are not usually so urban, but being an
avid xootr rider I'mnaturally conscious of maintaining my right to the road, and
so I was following this conversation with some interest.  The only places where
law enforcement has actuallyconfronted me and threatened me with a citation for
riding a xootr on the road is in national parks and monuments.  This has
happened in more than one, so I assume that it must be a consistent policy.  In
a couple of the these (Zion and Arches) there are also some shortstretches of
paved bike path where the rangers said that I could ride.  In most of
thesesites, the roads are narrow and the traffic is unpredictable, and so I
don't consider losingthose rides to be a big deal.   I've been riding
consistently in my small community in Utah for over five years now, and I think
that all the local police and deputies are probably familiar with me.  Being the
only adult representative of this sport here that I know of, I make a reasonable
effort to be courteous in traffic (pedestrian and motorized), and I often wave
and smile at the local cops when they drive past (only for PR purposes, of
course). Sometimes they wave back, and they've never bothered me.  My town is a
tourist destination with heavy pedestrian use of the downtown sidewalks, and
there are signs prohibiting bicycles, skateboards, etc. posted there.  I think
that's a backwards attitude, but I usually honor it anyway in the hope that my
particular device won't cross the radar of the people who might want to crash my
party.  I worry that some people automatically peg me as an outlaw skateboarder,
and so I want to dispel that notion when possible.  Not that I haveanything
against responsible boarding, other than the fact that those devices usually
lack brakes, which seems like an unnecessary risk when other people are around. 
--- On Mon, 8/4/08, John Margiotta <swimminglaps@ yahoo.com> wrote:From: John
Margiotta <swimminglaps@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for
riding scootersTo: NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, August 4,
2008, 4:03 PMIt's funny, but I've never considered riding in the street.  One of
themain benefits of a scooter from my point of view was that I could not
identifyany laws against riding them on the sidewalks, which made them different
frombikes and far less risky in my opinion.  I know too many people
who'vecracked up their bikes commuting.  I only ever ride on the sidewalk, but
try tostay essentially on York, where pedestrian traffic is very light.   In
twoyears of riding I've gotten two negative comments.  One from a guy whotold me
to slow down, even though he was sitting on a bench and not actually onthe
sidewalk, and the second from an oldish lady (just two days ago), who calledme
an idiot.  When I stopped to ask her why she said that, she told me that Ishould
not be riding on the sidewalk.  I wasn't as nice to her inreplying as I might
have been.    Those who ride in the street, do you wear helmets?  I do not wear
one ridingon the sidewalk; another nice benefit from my point of view.  From:
daniel stillman <dastillman@gmail. com>Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for
riding scootersTo: NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, August 4,
2008, 5:47 PMI agree with Dorlene...I feel safer in the street, since I can take
bumpsbetter (jump/kick over) at high speeds than at sidewalk speeds...all
thosesidewalk grooves kill me.Do watch out for subways, though...I once rose my
Xootr down a long, emptypassageway and got a $100 ticket at the end!On Mon, Aug
4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Dorlene Kaplan <dorlene@yahoo. com>wrote:> I spoke to an
authority at the Dept. of Transportation who informed me> that there are no laws
against riding a kick scooter on the sidewalks in> NYC. Not yet. That said, I
feel safer in the street, where you ride with> traffic and in the bike lanes
wherever possible. You need to be careful of> taxi doors opening unexpectedly --
it's happened to me more than once-- and> watch for ruts in the road. If you
scoot on the sidewalk always cross the> grooves at an angle, be wary of people
meandering and darting in and outof> stores, and ride slowly.>> --- On Mon,
8/4/08, bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@ yahoo. com<bigbadman0%40yahoo.com> >> wrote:>
From: bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@ yahoo. com <bigbadman0% 40yahoo.com>>> Subject:
[NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters> To: NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups.
com <NYCKickScooters% 40yahoogroups.com>> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54
AM>>> What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city streets? Are>>
they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the considered>> vehicles that
need to ride in the street? Riding in the street sounds>> dangerous.>> Does
anyone know the rules and/or have experiences they can relate?>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Dorlene and Fletch: Thanks for the encouragement.  In five years of scootering
the only
really intimidating harassment I remember has come from motorists. 
Unfortunately (or
perhaps fortunately) I never have a chance to make a proper reply as they speed
away.
Surprisingly though, I got a lot more of that when I was a hardcore cyclist. 
Maybe
people's curiosity (or sense of humor) overcomes their hostility when they see
an adult
seriously kicking along the road on a scooter.  
 
Fletch:  I've actually done something like what you plan to do on several
occasions, although it's always been in response to a curious or otherwise
friendly comment from
someone.  That's a great idea though- to try and turn a hostile encounter
around and maybe win a convert.  It's going to take some discipline though. 
When I'm
out kicking and in a groove and all pumped on endorphins, my natural reaction is
to
lapse into a temper when someone harasses me.  My worst side comes out when
someone lets their unleashed dog chase after me, and then acts like its nothing,
or
becomes indignant when I try to defend myself with a kick (small dogs!). 
 
I really do get a lot of encouragement from cyclists (they seem to like to clock
my speed
and tell me how fast I'm going) and pedestrians.  Some people assume that I'm
motorized,
and are surprised to discover that I'm moving like that under my own power. 
Lots of "hey-
cool scooter, dude" from kids, which totally surprises me.  Only once a young
skater
dude called me a queer (I still can't figure out what riding a scooter has to do
with one's
sexual orientation).  I've stopped several times to let some particularly
curious person try it out. I always tell them "hey- you're getting
it already!"-  sometimes they actually are. 
I'll never forget an evening a couple of years ago when I passed a gentleman who
was out for a walk.  I was climbing a hill and concentrating hard, so there was
time for an exchange.
He observed me thoughtfully and said "you're really a serious man on that
thing."  I think he
got it.  
 

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Perry Fletcher <perryfletch@...> wrote:

From: Perry Fletcher <perryfletch@...>
Subject: RE: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
To: nyckickscooters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:47 PM

  Been scootering out here(Sacramento,CA) about 5  months and just got the first
flat from a goat-head.   This I can handle.....

      Still waiting for someone to put up a 'tude with these clean, fun,
healthy vehicles.   My plan is to stop, pull over and ask......"are you
having a good day?"    Or ........"remember when you were a kid and
enjoyed cruising along on a bicycle/skateboard/scooter?.........want to take
this one for a spin?"        The goal is to turn on more people to getting
on board with alternative Xportation.

       fletch





To: NYCKickScooters@...: dorlene@...: Mon, 4 Aug 2008
19:27:21 -0700Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters




You've been riding a kick scooter for five years and you're still the
only adult scootist where you live, Phil? Amazing! One of these days the people
in your community will catch on to what a terrific mode of transportation it is.
Meanwhile you're setting a good example for kick scooter courtesy. --- On
Mon, 8/4/08, Phil <philbostic2003@...> wrote:From: Phil
<philbostic2003@...>Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding
scootersTo: NYCKickScooters@...: Monday, August 4, 2008, 7:57
PMI live out west and do most of my riding on streets, highway shoulders, and
paved biketrails.  My riding conditions are not usually so urban, but being an
avid xootr rider I'mnaturally conscious of maintaining my right to the road,
and so I was following this conversation with some interest.  The only places
where law enforcement has actuallyconfronted me and threatened me with a
citation for riding a xootr on the road is in national parks and monuments.
This has happened in more than one, so I assume that it must be a consistent
policy.  In a couple of the these (Zion and Arches) there are also some
shortstretches of paved bike path where the rangers said that I could ride.  In
most of thesesites, the roads are narrow and the traffic is unpredictable, and
so I don't consider losingthose rides to be a big deal.   I've been
riding consistently in my small community in Utah for over five years now, and I
think that all the local police and deputies are probably familiar with me.
Being the only adult representative of this sport here that I know of, I make a
reasonable effort to be courteous in traffic (pedestrian and motorized), and I
often wave and smile at the local cops when they drive past (only for PR
purposes, of course). Sometimes they wave back, and they've never bothered
me.  My town is a tourist destination with heavy pedestrian use of the downtown
sidewalks, and there are signs prohibiting bicycles, skateboards, etc. posted
there.  I think that's a backwards attitude, but I usually honor it anyway
in the hope that my particular device won't cross the radar of the people
who might want to crash my party.  I worry that some people automatically peg me
as an outlaw skateboarder,  and so I want to dispel that notion when possible.
Not that I haveanything against responsible boarding, other than the fact that
those devices usually lack brakes, which seems like an unnecessary risk when
other people are around.  --- On Mon, 8/4/08, John Margiotta <swimminglaps@
yahoo.com> wrote:From: John Margiotta <swimminglaps@ yahoo.com>Subject:
Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scootersTo: NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups.
comDate: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:03 PMIt's funny, but I've never
considered riding in the street.  One of themain benefits of a scooter from my
point of view was that I could not identifyany laws against riding them on the
sidewalks, which made them different frombikes and far less risky in my opinion.
  I know too many people who'vecracked up their bikes commuting.  I only ever
ride on the sidewalk, but try tostay essentially on York, where pedestrian
traffic is very light.   In twoyears of riding I've gotten two negative
comments.  One from a guy whotold me to slow down, even though he was sitting on
a bench and not actually onthe sidewalk, and the second from an oldish lady
(just two days ago), who calledme an idiot.  When I stopped to ask her why she
said that, she told me that Ishould not be riding on the sidewalk.  I wasn't
as nice to her inreplying as I might have been.    Those who ride in the street,
do you wear helmets?  I do not wear one ridingon the sidewalk; another nice
benefit from my point of view.  From: daniel stillman <dastillman@gmail.
com>Subject: Re: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scootersTo:
NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:47 PMI agree
with Dorlene...I feel safer in the street, since I can take bumpsbetter
(jump/kick over) at high speeds than at sidewalk speeds...all thosesidewalk
grooves kill me.Do watch out for subways, though...I once rose my Xootr down a
long, emptypassageway and got a $100 ticket at the end!On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at
5:18 PM, Dorlene Kaplan <dorlene@yahoo. com>wrote:> I spoke to an
authority at the Dept. of Transportation who informed me> that there are no
laws against riding a kick scooter on the sidewalks in> NYC. Not yet. That
said, I feel safer in the street, where you ride with> traffic and in the
bike lanes wherever possible. You need to be careful of> taxi doors opening
unexpectedly -- it's happened to me more than once-- and> watch for ruts
in the road. If you scoot on the sidewalk always cross the> grooves at an
angle, be wary of people meandering and darting in and outof> stores, and
ride slowly.>> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@ yahoo.
com<bigbadman0%40yahoo.com> >> wrote:> From: bigbadman0
<bigbadman0@ yahoo. com <bigbadman0% 40yahoo.com>>> Subject:
[NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters> To: NYCKickScooters@ yahoogroups.
com <NYCKickScooters% 40yahoogroups.com>> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008,
11:54 AM>>> What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city
streets? Are>> they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the
considered>> vehicles that need to ride in the street? Riding in the
street sounds>> dangerous.>> Does anyone know the rules and/or have
experiences they can relate?>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Since you bring up Central Park ... I've been stopped by Police and Park rangers
and asked
to get off my bike, though I haven't been ticketed, but I haven't had that
experience
xootring in the park.
Does anyone know if scooters are technically allowed on Central Park footpaths? 
Anyone
ever get stopped?


--- In NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com, "Dorlene" <dorlene@...> wrote:
>
> Bummer, Daniel! Most of the subway stations are too congested to
> consider riding a scooter in them but some are not. I used to ride the
> F between 57th/6th and Roosevelt Island and the stations were usually
> deserted so I'd scoot in them. One time a subway employee stopped me
> so I haven't done it since. I guess if you get caught by a police
> officer it will cost you.
>
> I know that cyclists get ticketed for riding on the footpaths in
> Central Park but don't know if that applies to kick scooters. I
> suppose one of these days I'll find out!
>
>
> --- In NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com, "daniel stillman"
> <dastillman@> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Dorlene...I feel safer in the street, since I can take
> bumps
> > better (jump/kick over) at high speeds than at sidewalk speeds...all
> those
> > sidewalk grooves kill me.
> >
> > Do watch out for subways, though...I once rose my Xootr down a long,
> empty
> > passageway and got a $100 ticket at the end!
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Dorlene Kaplan <dorlene@> wrote:
> >
> > >   I spoke to an authority at the Dept. of Transportation who
> informed me
> > > that there are no laws against riding a kick scooter on the
> sidewalks in
> > > NYC. Not yet. That said, I feel safer in the street, where you
> ride with
> > > traffic and in the bike lanes wherever possible. You need to be
> careful of
> > > taxi doors opening unexpectedly -- it's happened to me more than
> once -- and
> > > watch for ruts in the road. If you scoot on the sidewalk always
> cross the
> > > grooves at an angle, be wary of people meandering and darting in
> and out of
> > > stores, and ride slowly.
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, bigbadman0
> <bigbadman0@<bigbadman0%40yahoo.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > From: bigbadman0 <bigbadman0@ <bigbadman0%40yahoo.com>>
> > > Subject: [NYCKickScooters] Laws for riding scooters
> > > To: NYCKickScooters@yahoogroups.com
> <NYCKickScooters%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > What are the laws regarding riding kick scooters on city streets? Are
> > >
> > > they pedestrians that ride on the sidewalk or are the considered
> > >
> > > vehicles that need to ride in the street? Riding in the street sounds
> > >
> > > dangerous.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know the rules and/or have experiences they can relate?
> > >
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> > --
> > Daniel Stillman
> > http://www.design21sdn.com/people/28/posts
> > http://www.coroflot.com/dstillman
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