Hey Barry

I have a friend that can offer some alternative options, His name is Peter
Jones, you can email him at tworks2012@...

Good Luck,
Susie
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From: "ecto_unix" <ecto_unix@...>
To: <NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:58 AM
Subject: [NYARA / Discussion] Any Sports doctors in the area?


>
>
> I was wondering does anyone know any doctors specializing in like
> sports medicine in the NJ area?  I've been dealing with bad cramping
> issues for the past few years.  I've tried additional stretching,
> electrolyte caps, hammergels etc.  I would really like to know
> what's going on with my muscles.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreaciated
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I was wondering does anyone know any doctors specializing in like
sports medicine in the NJ area?  I've been dealing with bad cramping
issues for the past few years.  I've tried additional stretching,
electrolyte caps, hammergels etc.  I would really like to know
what's going on with my muscles.

Any help would be greatly appreaciated

Thanks

Barry

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Hugo and I kept our snowshoes on the for the whole 10
miles and appreciated the traction going up and
downhill.  It beat the crap out them in the rocky
sections, though. And try doing a log crossing in
snowshoes!

--- Jeff Gattens <active07307@...> wrote:

> We joined Hugo and the gang today and only used our
> snowshoes for about 20 minutes until we decided we
> could travel much faster with just trail shoes even
> in
> the untracked snow.
>
>
> --- sfleisig <spfleisig@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > who said anything about being packed down? it was
> 5"
> > to 12" of soft
> > stuff the whole time. did a bit of postholing. we
> > ran/hike a fair
> > amount of the lovely BB bike carry trail!
> >
> >
> > --- In NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Walker
> > <hughbike@y...> wrote:
> > > Steve is right...plenty of folks have been out
> > already and the
> > snow is packed down in lots of areas!! Come on
> out!!
> > >
> > > sfleisig <spfleisig@h...> wrote:
> > > i went out for about 2.5 hours today in
> wawayanda
> > in trail shoes
> > and
> > > it was doable. my guess is it would probably be
> a
> > wash if you use
> > > showshoes.
> > >
> > > --- In NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin
> Dailey
> > <bendailey@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- Hugo,
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to try and make it to the winter nav
> > exercise
> > > > you are putting on but it looks like i'm up
> the
> > creek
> > > > with out a paddle or more appropriately off
> the
> > trail
> > > > with out any snowshoes. Unfortunately EMS has
> > rented
> > > > out their supplies(hopefully a good indicator
> > for
> > > > tomorrows participation) Anyhow, I'd like to
> > give it a
> > > > shot. Let me know if the snow is so deep as to
> > have me
> > > > totally panting and frustrated with in
> minutes
> > or if
> > > > it is doable with some burning quads and your
> > normal
> > > > amount of cursing and frustration. Thanks, Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > #1 reason to race w/ Chris Rice in winter
> > races:
> > > > > Because he knows where to find arcane news
> > > > > stories!!!?
> > > > >
> > > > > Heck I coulda gotten out w/ just a 6 pack of
> > Pepsi!!
> > > > >
> > > > >  Rumor has it you can see the Riceman in
> > action this
> > > > > Sunday, 9am at the Shepherd's Pond parking
> > lot.
> > > > > Don't be too down-hearted if he can't make
> it
> > > > > though, plenty of other notables will be
> > strapping
> > > > > on their Redfeathers and Dual-tracs....Seems
> > there
> > > > > is another in the continuing series of nav
> > trainings
> > > > > going on! 7 controls, 7 miles, you do the
> > math!
> > > > > Snowshoes most highly recommended,
> postholers
> > will
> > > > > be swearing before they leave the parking
> > > > > lot...1:24K maps beautiful TOPO! graphics
> and
> > sunny
> > > > > mid 30s warmth!!  If you can't make Sunday,
> > join me
> > > > > tomorrow @ 10am (same place) as I set the
> > course!!
> > > > > Email me offlist if you're comin' either
> day-
> > we'll
> > > > > see ya there!
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > > (:^D hugo
> > > > >
> > > > > dabracks@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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...and trudging through powder is fun!
especially when you're carrying a
"checkpoint-on-a-stick" like some misguided tour
director...

--- Jeff Gattens <active07307@...> wrote:

> We joined Hugo and the gang today and only used our
> snowshoes for about 20 minutes until we decided we
> could travel much faster with just trail shoes even
> in the untracked snow.



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We joined Hugo and the gang today and only used our
snowshoes for about 20 minutes until we decided we
could travel much faster with just trail shoes even in
the untracked snow.


--- sfleisig <spfleisig@...> wrote:

>
> who said anything about being packed down? it was 5"
> to 12" of soft
> stuff the whole time. did a bit of postholing. we
> ran/hike a fair
> amount of the lovely BB bike carry trail!
>
>
> --- In NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Walker
> <hughbike@y...> wrote:
> > Steve is right...plenty of folks have been out
> already and the
> snow is packed down in lots of areas!! Come on out!!
> >
> > sfleisig <spfleisig@h...> wrote:
> > i went out for about 2.5 hours today in wawayanda
> in trail shoes
> and
> > it was doable. my guess is it would probably be a
> wash if you use
> > showshoes.
> >
> > --- In NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Dailey
> <bendailey@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > --- Hugo,
> > >
> > > I'd like to try and make it to the winter nav
> exercise
> > > you are putting on but it looks like i'm up the
> creek
> > > with out a paddle or more appropriately off the
> trail
> > > with out any snowshoes. Unfortunately EMS has
> rented
> > > out their supplies(hopefully a good indicator
> for
> > > tomorrows participation) Anyhow, I'd like to
> give it a
> > > shot. Let me know if the snow is so deep as to
> have me
> > > totally panting and frustrated with in  minutes
> or if
> > > it is doable with some burning quads and your
> normal
> > > amount of cursing and frustration. Thanks, Ben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > #1 reason to race w/ Chris Rice in winter
> races:
> > > > Because he knows where to find arcane news
> > > > stories!!!?
> > > >
> > > > Heck I coulda gotten out w/ just a 6 pack of
> Pepsi!!
> > > >
> > > >  Rumor has it you can see the Riceman in
> action this
> > > > Sunday, 9am at the Shepherd's Pond parking
> lot.
> > > > Don't be too down-hearted if he can't make it
> > > > though, plenty of other notables will be
> strapping
> > > > on their Redfeathers and Dual-tracs....Seems
> there
> > > > is another in the continuing series of nav
> trainings
> > > > going on! 7 controls, 7 miles, you do the
> math!
> > > > Snowshoes most highly recommended, postholers
> will
> > > > be swearing before they leave the parking
> > > > lot...1:24K maps beautiful TOPO! graphics and
> sunny
> > > > mid 30s warmth!!  If you can't make Sunday,
> join me
> > > > tomorrow @ 10am (same place) as I set the
> course!!
> > > > Email me offlist if you're comin' either day-
> we'll
> > > > see ya there!
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > (:^D hugo
> > > >
> > > > dabracks@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > >
>
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who said anything about being packed down? it was 5" to 12" of soft
stuff the whole time. did a bit of postholing. we ran/hike a fair
amount of the lovely BB bike carry trail!


--- In NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Walker <hughbike@y...> wrote:
> Steve is right...plenty of folks have been out already and the
snow is packed down in lots of areas!! Come on out!!
>
> sfleisig <spfleisig@h...> wrote:
> i went out for about 2.5 hours today in wawayanda in trail shoes
and
> it was doable. my guess is it would probably be a wash if you use
> showshoes.
>
> --- In NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Dailey <bendailey@y...>
> wrote:
> > --- Hugo,
> >
> > I'd like to try and make it to the winter nav exercise
> > you are putting on but it looks like i'm up the creek
> > with out a paddle or more appropriately off the trail
> > with out any snowshoes. Unfortunately EMS has rented
> > out their supplies(hopefully a good indicator for
> > tomorrows participation) Anyhow, I'd like to give it a
> > shot. Let me know if the snow is so deep as to have me
> > totally panting and frustrated with in  minutes or if
> > it is doable with some burning quads and your normal
> > amount of cursing and frustration. Thanks, Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > > #1 reason to race w/ Chris Rice in winter races:
> > > Because he knows where to find arcane news
> > > stories!!!?
> > >
> > > Heck I coulda gotten out w/ just a 6 pack of Pepsi!!
> > >
> > >  Rumor has it you can see the Riceman in action this
> > > Sunday, 9am at the Shepherd's Pond parking lot.
> > > Don't be too down-hearted if he can't make it
> > > though, plenty of other notables will be strapping
> > > on their Redfeathers and Dual-tracs....Seems there
> > > is another in the continuing series of nav trainings
> > > going on! 7 controls, 7 miles, you do the math!
> > > Snowshoes most highly recommended, postholers will
> > > be swearing before they leave the parking
> > > lot...1:24K maps beautiful TOPO! graphics and sunny
> > > mid 30s warmth!!  If you can't make Sunday, join me
> > > tomorrow @ 10am (same place) as I set the course!!
> > > Email me offlist if you're comin' either day- we'll
> > > see ya there!
> > >
> > >
> > > (:^D hugo
> > >
> > > dabracks@a... wrote:
> > >
> > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1261997.html?menu
> > >
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Correction Senator. Despite wideheld belief to the contrary the Raid was never
sponsored
by the tobacco company Gauloises. I can give you the official long story offline
sometime.

KB
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> Races don't have to be sponsored by sport-specific
> companies - two of the biggest races of the last
> decade were sponsored by cigarette companies (Raid and
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i went out for about 2.5 hours today in wawayanda in trail shoes and
it was doable. my guess is it would probably be a wash if you use
showshoes.

--- In NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Dailey <bendailey@y...>
wrote:
> --- Hugo,
>
> I'd like to try and make it to the winter nav exercise
> you are putting on but it looks like i'm up the creek
> with out a paddle or more appropriately off the trail
> with out any snowshoes. Unfortunately EMS has rented
> out their supplies(hopefully a good indicator for
> tomorrows participation) Anyhow, I'd like to give it a
> shot. Let me know if the snow is so deep as to have me
> totally panting and frustrated with in  minutes or if
> it is doable with some burning quads and your normal
> amount of cursing and frustration. Thanks, Ben
>
>
>
> > #1 reason to race w/ Chris Rice in winter races:
> > Because he knows where to find arcane news
> > stories!!!?
> >
> > Heck I coulda gotten out w/ just a 6 pack of Pepsi!!
> >
> >  Rumor has it you can see the Riceman in action this
> > Sunday, 9am at the Shepherd's Pond parking lot.
> > Don't be too down-hearted if he can't make it
> > though, plenty of other notables will be strapping
> > on their Redfeathers and Dual-tracs....Seems there
> > is another in the continuing series of nav trainings
> > going on! 7 controls, 7 miles, you do the math!
> > Snowshoes most highly recommended, postholers will
> > be swearing before they leave the parking
> > lot...1:24K maps beautiful TOPO! graphics and sunny
> > mid 30s warmth!!  If you can't make Sunday, join me
> > tomorrow @ 10am (same place) as I set the course!!
> > Email me offlist if you're comin' either day- we'll
> > see ya there!
> >
> >
> > (:^D hugo
> >
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> >
> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1261997.html?menu
> >
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--- Hugo,

I'd like to try and make it to the winter nav exercise
you are putting on but it looks like i'm up the creek
with out a paddle or more appropriately off the trail
with out any snowshoes. Unfortunately EMS has rented
out their supplies(hopefully a good indicator for
tomorrows participation) Anyhow, I'd like to give it a
shot. Let me know if the snow is so deep as to have me
totally panting and frustrated with in  minutes or if
it is doable with some burning quads and your normal
amount of cursing and frustration. Thanks, Ben



> #1 reason to race w/ Chris Rice in winter races:
> Because he knows where to find arcane news
> stories!!!?
>
> Heck I coulda gotten out w/ just a 6 pack of Pepsi!!
>
>  Rumor has it you can see the Riceman in action this
> Sunday, 9am at the Shepherd's Pond parking lot.
> Don't be too down-hearted if he can't make it
> though, plenty of other notables will be strapping
> on their Redfeathers and Dual-tracs....Seems there
> is another in the continuing series of nav trainings
> going on! 7 controls, 7 miles, you do the math!
> Snowshoes most highly recommended, postholers will
> be swearing before they leave the parking
> lot...1:24K maps beautiful TOPO! graphics and sunny
> mid 30s warmth!!  If you can't make Sunday, join me
> tomorrow @ 10am (same place) as I set the course!!
> Email me offlist if you're comin' either day- we'll
> see ya there!
>
>
> (:^D hugo
>
> dabracks@... wrote:
>
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>
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From: dabracks@...

To: NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 3:05 PM

Subject: [NYARA / Discussion] #1 Reason to Race with Rice in Winter Races

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1261997.html?menu

----- Original Message -----

From: Jon Fontane

To: NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:31 PM

Subject: RE: [NYARA / Discussion] Supporting our beloved sport

Just wanted to let everyone know that there were a number of factors that
went into the decision to cancel the Fahnestock event.  We had some pesky
little course issues with park management...couple that with the fact that
we didn't have snow (that is until this weekend)...which in turn delayed
some people from signing up.  It all snowballed (no pun intended) into the
call to cancel.  BUT....we are all set for Northfield on March 6th...hope to
see you all there.

Jon, Brian (and Steve too)



Jon Fontane
Director of Marketing
Genesis Adventures, Inc./14 Degrees Sports Marketing
jon@...
www.genesisadventures.com




From: John Ragland <johnnyrags@...>
Reply-To: NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com
To: NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NYARA / Discussion] Supporting our beloved sport
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:14:22 -0800 (PST)

I was very distressed to hear today from John and
Brian that the reason the Genesis race was canceled
was due to a low turnout.  Sure this is the off season
and it is cold, but there are certainly enough of us
out there with the AR bug to participate. . .heck they
were even supplying snowshoes.

That is just one example.  The bigger problem is when
we lose a sponsor like Balance Bar. The reason this
happens is because they are not generating a return on
their investment from the sponsorship.  In the end it
is all about dollars and cents to these guys. If they
cannot justify an ROI on their sponsorship by seeing a
meaningful lift in their sales, then they will market
their product somewhere else.

So, if we all want to enjoy these well run events and
occasional free goods we have to support our sponsors.
  This means actually going out and buying balance bars
and shopping at EMS (and using your race coupons to
show them where you came from).

We can all have more, better and safer events . . .did
anyone say prize money?(I am starting to dream here)
if we help promote the companies that make our sport
possible.

Please do what you can to go the extra mile, consume
their products and certainly endorse them to your
friends.  If we all make an effort to pitch, in we can
make an impact.
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Just wanted to let everyone know that there were a number of factors that
went into the decision to cancel the Fahnestock event.  We had some pesky
little course issues with park management...couple that with the fact that
we didn't have snow (that is until this weekend)...which in turn delayed
some people from signing up.  It all snowballed (no pun intended) into the
call to cancel.  BUT....we are all set for Northfield on March 6th...hope to
see you all there.

Jon, Brian (and Steve too)



Jon Fontane
Director of Marketing
Genesis Adventures, Inc./14 Degrees Sports Marketing
jon@...
www.genesisadventures.com




From: John Ragland <johnnyrags@...>
Reply-To: NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com
To: NYARANEDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NYARA / Discussion] Supporting our beloved sport
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:14:22 -0800 (PST)

I was very distressed to hear today from John and
Brian that the reason the Genesis race was canceled
was due to a low turnout.  Sure this is the off season
and it is cold, but there are certainly enough of us
out there with the AR bug to participate. . .heck they
were even supplying snowshoes.

That is just one example.  The bigger problem is when
we lose a sponsor like Balance Bar. The reason this
happens is because they are not generating a return on
their investment from the sponsorship.  In the end it
is all about dollars and cents to these guys. If they
cannot justify an ROI on their sponsorship by seeing a
meaningful lift in their sales, then they will market
their product somewhere else.

So, if we all want to enjoy these well run events and
occasional free goods we have to support our sponsors.
   This means actually going out and buying balance bars
and shopping at EMS (and using your race coupons to
show them where you came from).

We can all have more, better and safer events . . .did
anyone say prize money?(I am starting to dream here)
if we help promote the companies that make our sport
possible.

Please do what you can to go the extra mile, consume
their products and certainly endorse them to your
friends.  If we all make an effort to pitch, in we can
make an impact.
JR

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hear hear!!!

 

I know of at least 3 people renting 'shoes from EMS (gotta love' em) for the nav event this Sunday. NYARA or it's affiliates have something going on almost every weekend and the folks at Genesis put on top-notch events. Perhaps the tech skills required for skiing section may keep some away from the winter events but overall you have made a good point JR.

 

Having said that, I'd like to point out that I will be using my xmas present (National Geographic TOPO! software purchased at EMS) for the maps this weekend and the orienteering controls were purchased from www.866gaiters.com (aka GO! Orienteering) In adddition to o-supplies, our good friend Gale has a HUGE selection of Salomon packs for CHEAPER than cheap prices!! He has done NYARA members WAAAAY right in the past!

 

EMS has this sweet deal where you buy online but PICK-UP at your local store!! IT's AT LEAST 10%CHEAPER!! I saved over $20 on the above software that way!! EMS has really committed to AR in the last year (CONGRATS JEN!!) and they get almost all my business because of it, not to mention their great prices, selection and customer service...PHEW!!

 

SEE YA SUNDAY FOLKS!!            (:^D hugo

 

John Ragland <johnnyrags@...> wrote:

I was very distressed to hear today from John and
Brian that the reason the Genesis race was canceled
was due to a low turnout.  Sure this is the off season
and it is cold, but there are certainly enough of us
out there with the AR bug to participate. . .heck they
were even supplying snowshoes.

That is just one example.  The bigger problem is when
we lose a sponsor like Balance Bar. The reason this
happens is because they are not generating a return on
their investment from the sponsorship.  In the end it
is all about dollars and cents to these guys. If they
cannot justify an ROI on their sponsorship by seeing a
meaningful lift in their sales, then they will market
their product somewhere else. 

So, if we all want to enjoy these well run events and
occasional free goods we have to support our sponsors.
This means actually going out and buying balance bars
and shopping at EMS (and using your race coupons to
show them where you came from). 

We can all have more, better and safer events . . .did
anyone say prize money?(I am starting to dream here)
if we help promote the companies that make our sport
possible. 

Please do what you can to go the extra mile, consume
their products and certainly endorse them to your
friends.  If we all make an effort to pitch, in we can
make an impact.
JR

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I was very distressed to hear today from John and
Brian that the reason the Genesis race was canceled
was due to a low turnout.  Sure this is the off season
and it is cold, but there are certainly enough of us
out there with the AR bug to participate. . .heck they
were even supplying snowshoes.

That is just one example.  The bigger problem is when
we lose a sponsor like Balance Bar. The reason this
happens is because they are not generating a return on
their investment from the sponsorship.  In the end it
is all about dollars and cents to these guys. If they
cannot justify an ROI on their sponsorship by seeing a
meaningful lift in their sales, then they will market
their product somewhere else. 

So, if we all want to enjoy these well run events and
occasional free goods we have to support our sponsors.
This means actually going out and buying balance bars
and shopping at EMS (and using your race coupons to
show them where you came from). 

We can all have more, better and safer events . . .did
anyone say prize money?(I am starting to dream here)
if we help promote the companies that make our sport
possible. 

Please do what you can to go the extra mile, consume
their products and certainly endorse them to your
friends.  If we all make an effort to pitch, in we can
make an impact.
JR

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I rather think we're all afraid to embarrass ourselves
on xc skis.

Races don't have to be sponsored by sport-specific
companies - two of the biggest races of the last
decade were sponsored by cigarette companies (Raid and
Mild Seven).


--- John Ragland <johnnyrags@...> wrote:

> I was very distressed to hear today from John and
> Brian that the reason the Genesis race was canceled
> was due to a low turnout.  Sure this is the off
> season
> and it is cold, but there are certainly enough of us
> out there with the AR bug to participate. . .heck
> they
> were even supplying snowshoes.
>
> That is just one example.  The bigger problem is
> when
> we lose a sponsor like Balance Bar. The reason this
> happens is because they are not generating a return
> on
> their investment from the sponsorship.  In the end
> it
> is all about dollars and cents to these guys. If
> they
> cannot justify an ROI on their sponsorship by seeing
> a
> meaningful lift in their sales, then they will
> market
> their product somewhere else.
>
> So, if we all want to enjoy these well run events
> and
> occasional free goods we have to support our
> sponsors.
>  This means actually going out and buying balance
> bars
> and shopping at EMS (and using your race coupons to
> show them where you came from).
>
> We can all have more, better and safer events . .
> .did
> anyone say prize money?(I am starting to dream here)
> if we help promote the companies that make our sport
> possible.
>
> Please do what you can to go the extra mile, consume
> their products and certainly endorse them to your
> friends.  If we all make an effort to pitch, in we
> can
> make an impact.
> JR
>
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I was very distressed to hear today from John and
Brian that the reason the Genesis race was canceled
was due to a low turnout.  Sure this is the off season
and it is cold, but there are certainly enough of us
out there with the AR bug to participate. . .heck they
were even supplying snowshoes.

That is just one example.  The bigger problem is when
we lose a sponsor like Balance Bar. The reason this
happens is because they are not generating a return on
their investment from the sponsorship.  In the end it
is all about dollars and cents to these guys. If they
cannot justify an ROI on their sponsorship by seeing a
meaningful lift in their sales, then they will market
their product somewhere else.

So, if we all want to enjoy these well run events and
occasional free goods we have to support our sponsors.
  This means actually going out and buying balance bars
and shopping at EMS (and using your race coupons to
show them where you came from).

We can all have more, better and safer events . . .did
anyone say prize money?(I am starting to dream here)
if we help promote the companies that make our sport
possible.

Please do what you can to go the extra mile, consume
their products and certainly endorse them to your
friends.  If we all make an effort to pitch, in we can
make an impact.
JR

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Attention Racers:

Don't miss out on a fun and challenging 24-36 Hr race in the (hopefully)
warm sunshine state (Florida) next month (Feb 19-20).

AND

Get an idea of what the 2005 USARA National Championships might look and
feel like!

Here's the scoop:

The 2005 Swamp Stomp is almost full (Over 50 teams! Only 5 or 6 slots
left!!). This race is going to be great fun and great competition
with strong teams from all over the US coming (like Hooked on
Outdoors, ATP, AFRE, Endeavor, Go Lite, and more--see list of teams on our
message
board: wecefar.com/forum).
We are excited to see all of the NYARA teams that are coming!!
Any more takers?!?

Details:
SWAMP STOMP
24-36 Hr AR
Feb 19-20, 2005
Hernando County

2 or 4 person teams
No support crew needed, and we provide boats.
Cash prizes for coed 4 person teams!
GREAT schwag prizes for other divisions!
"Special" mid-race (stage) prizes as well!!

Any group with 5 or more teams representing them are entered into a drawing
for a special prize!! So far we have 4 NYARA teams! If one more registers,
they all have a chance of winning more great schwag!!

www.wecefar.com/swamp2005.htm

ALSO,
Did you know that Swamp Stomp is a USARA Natls Qualifier?
And that USARA National Championships are going to be in Florida ("Tampa
area") this year?
And that WeCeFAR (directors of Swamp Stomp) is designing the USARA Nationals
course?

Hmmmm....
Might be a good idea to check out this Swamp Stomp to prep for Natls...

But don't delay--we're almost sold out!!
We hope to see you in the swamp!


For more info:
swamp@...

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Thought you might find this post to the ara-l list
interesting: someone politely bitching about how both
world championship qualifiers in north american are on
the east coast. While I agree that there should be an
east and a west coast qualifier, there are a lot more
racers and races on the east coast. So why aren't
there any top teams from Vermont, Virginia, or
Georgia?

PB

--- ara-l-request@... wrote:
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:48:37 +0000
> From: "Josh A. Williams" <joshwill@...>
> Subject: [ARA-L] RE: Adventure Racing World
> Championship 2005
> To: ara-l@...
> Message-ID:
> <BAY103-F286681377C9D8F48391A1ACF860@...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> What are the organizers of the ARWorldChampionships
> thinking?
>
> I read yesterday how the Southern Traverse will host
> these Championships and
> I was very interested, while I've never done the
> Southern Traverse it's a
> race I've wanted to do for years along with planning
> a few weeks in NZ.
>
> Than I looked at the qualifier races in the U.S. and
> am somewhat shocked -
> two races and both are the far east side of the
> Country - Maine and
> Virginia. Am I Missing something here or does the
> organizers in the
> ARWorldChampionships really believe that a
> significant majority of the
> racers and top racers in the US reside on the far
> east coast. Somebody
> clearly did not do their research or they are trying
> to make it quite
> expensive/cumbersome for the best teams, and even a
> lot of the reasonably
> competitive teams, in the US to compete in this
> "WorldChampionships".
> Acording to the 2004 North American ASM Power
> Rankings not one of the 9 top
> 10 teams in the US resides east of CO (there is a
> team from CANADA), looking
> at the top teams from the 24 hour balance bar series
> last year even at the
> NY race the top 5 teams were either Kiwi or from CO
> or west of it, I'll keep
> Primal Quest out of the discussion because it was
> held on the West coast,
> even though again most of the top US teams were from
> CO and west of it.
> Forget about where the elite teams are based for
> now, even though I still
> believe that is an important part of the discussion,
> let's consider quantity
> of participation, at last year NY 24 hour BB AR
> there were 53 teams compete
> at LA 24 hour BB AR there were 82 teams competing.
> There are also a wealth
> of good experienced AR directors out in the Western
> part of the US and yet
> the only two places for a qualifier in the US are
> Virginia and Maine.
>
> I would be willing to bet there is some politics
> going on, but by
> determining the location of qualifier races by what
> is convenient for the
> favored race directors rather than where a large
> portion of your market
> exists is a recipe for failure. That really is too
> bad, because I would have
> liked to see this idea work.
>
> Josh Williams
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:12:21 -0500 (EST)
> From: Brent Clark <brentrclark@...>
> Subject: Re: [ARA-L] RE: Adventure Racing World
> Championship 2005
> To: The Adventure Racing Association
> <ara-l@...>
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>
> Did you ever think that maybe there are no western
> expedition-lenght races that have joined up with the
> AR World Series?  To my understanding the AR World
> Series is essentially an alliance of races not a
> single entity.  If no western US races are part of
> this alliance then there will be no qualifier in the
> western US.  This is why you would have to travel to
> the east, and yes it is unfortunate if the majority
> of the market exists in the west, I will not
> disagree there.
>
> We have the same issue here in Canada, as often Raid
> the North Extreme, our qualifier is in the east,
> which does make sense for the organizers as the
> majority of the market is there.  Still, for us
> western-based teams, we often have to incur
> additional travel expenses.  It would be nice to
> have western expeition race qualifier every year but
> the numbers just don't add up for the organizers.
>
> B.
>
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Hey Folks!

NYARA is raffling a 20% discount off the Florida Coast-to-Coast race on May
26, 2004. This 3-day, 300 mile adventure race will take you and your 3
teammates through scenic beaches, the Everglades, scenic keys and
wilderness.

To enter the raffle and get 20% off the normal registration price, just send
your names and your teammate's names to denise@.... 50% of your team
must be NYARA members (and we'll check up on ya!).  The raffle will be drawn
on Monday, January 31 and winners will be announced on the same day.  This
offer is only being offered to a few AR clubs and is only valid up until
registration is open to the public - so hurry!

For more information about the Coast-to-Coast race visit,
http://www.adventurousconcepts.com.

Good luck!


Psssstt....Did you know that NYARA provides oodles and ooodles of discounts
for its members? Click on this link for some incredible deals:
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Not yet a member? For shame! Click here to join:
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I taped it. You can borrow it after I watch it.

PB

--- item4a <item4a@...> wrote:

> I missed it! Anybody tape it that wouldn't mind
> letting me borrow it?
>
>
> Shannon <gattenss@...> wrote:
> It was such a thrill to see you guys!
>
> Chris Rice <rice01@...> wrote:
> Rodney, can I have your autograph?
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It was such a thrill to see you guys!

Chris Rice <rice01@...> wrote:

Rodney, can I have your autograph?

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