I was planning on helping Darren and Scotia out by bringing some

charterboards/rigs down for Nationals (Trident, the Starboard distributors, are

making them available for charter). Unfortunately, it turns out that the boards

are sitting in a warehouse near SeaTac (as opposed to their old warehouse in

Blaine, where I thought they were), and I have no way of stopping by there on

the way down during business hours (as I'll be driving either Friday night or at

the crack of dawn Saturday morning).



Is anyone going to the Gorge from the Seattle area over the next week or so

willing to help out by bringing some of this stuff down? Pick-up would have to

be sometime during business hours in SeaTac; drop off in the Gorge is pretty

flexible (as we have a number of people who can help get the stuff from whoever

carried it down).



You help would be greatly appreciated!



-Andreas

360-393-5188









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I got a couple of battens broken on a 5.0 sail (#2 and #4 from the top). No

biggie/ easy to replace with the superb Sailworks support, but I am just curious

why do they break? The sail isn't that old, and in particular it's interesting

that 2 of them broke at the same time. I wonder if this may have been because I

overtightened them - I vaguely remember giving them just a bit of twist a few

sessions back because of a few minor wrinkles I spotted on the sail.







It's interesting that the sail didn't feel good at all when I tried to sail it

with battens broken (and it generally feels really good); I guess the things do

have a reason to be there :-).







thanks



Alex



















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They break because my head is harder than carbon fiber.



Alex Zotov wrote:

> I got a couple of battens broken on a 5.0 sail (#2 and #4 from the top). No

biggie/ easy to replace with the superb Sailworks support, but I am just curious

why do they break? The sail isn't that old, and in particular it's interesting

that 2 of them broke at the same time. I wonder if this may have been because I

overtightened them - I vaguely remember giving them just a bit of twist a few

sessions back because of a few minor wrinkles I spotted on the sail.

>

>

it's a theory, though it would work better if we were giraffes - these battens

are pretty high :-)







Are they really carbon fiber?







To: NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com

From: don.ledford@...

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:31:46 -0700

Subject: Re: why do battens break?















They break because my head is harder than carbon fiber.



Alex Zotov wrote:

> I got a couple of battens broken on a 5.0 sail (#2 and #4 from the top). No

biggie/ easy to replace with the superb Sailworks support, but I am just curious

why do they break? The sail isn't that old, and in particular it's interesting

that 2 of them broke at the same time. I wonder if this may have been because I

overtightened them - I vaguely remember giving them just a bit of twist a few

sessions back because of a few minor wrinkles I spotted on the sail.

>

>





















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Depends on the sail.  Race sails usually have carbon fiber tubular battens down

low and solid carbon or glass rectangular battens up high.



--Rick



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From: Alex Zotov

To: Windtalk

Sent: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:40:39 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: RE: why do battens break?





















































it's a theory, though it would work better if we were giraffes - these battens

are pretty high :-)







Are they really carbon fiber?











To: NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com



From: don.ledford@...



Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:31:46 -0700



Subject: Re: why do battens break?







They break because my head is harder than carbon fiber.







Alex Zotov wrote:



> I got a couple of battens broken on a 5.0 sail (#2 and #4 from the top). No

biggie/ easy to replace with the superb Sailworks support, but I am just curious

why do they break? The sail isn't that old, and in particular it's interesting

that 2 of them broke at the same time. I wonder if this may have been because I

overtightened them - I vaguely remember giving them just a bit of twist a few

sessions back because of a few minor wrinkles I spotted on the sail.



>



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To: nw-windtalk@yahoogroups.com

From: alexzotov@...

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:40:39 -0700

Subject: RE: why do battens break?

















it's a theory, though it would work better if we were giraffes - these battens

are pretty high :-)



Are they really carbon fiber?





To: NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com

From: don.ledford@...

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:31:46 -0700

Subject: Re: why do battens break?



They break because my head is harder than carbon fiber.



Alex Zotov wrote:

> I got a couple of battens broken on a 5.0 sail (#2 and #4 from the top). No

biggie/ easy to replace with the superb Sailworks support, but I am just curious

why do they break? The sail isn't that old, and in particular it's interesting

that 2 of them broke at the same time. I wonder if this may have been because I

overtightened them - I vaguely remember giving them just a bit of twist a few

sessions back because of a few minor wrinkles I spotted on the sail.

>

>



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Yes, some battens are carbon fiber.  Usually the tubular battens in race sails

and some freerides.



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From: Susan k

To: nw-windtalk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:15:54 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: RE: why do battens break?













To: nw-windtalk@yahoogroups.com

From: alexzotov@...

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:40:39 -0700

Subject: RE: why do battens break?

















it's a theory, though it would work better if we were giraffes - these battens

are pretty high :-)



Are they really carbon fiber?





To: NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com

From: don.ledford@...

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:31:46 -0700

Subject: Re: why do battens break?



They break because my head is harder than carbon fiber.



Alex Zotov wrote:

> I got a couple of battens broken on a 5.0 sail (#2 and #4 from the top). No

biggie/ easy to replace with the superb Sailworks support, but I am just curious

why do they break? The sail isn't that old, and in particular it's interesting

that 2 of them broke at the same time. I wonder if this may have been because I

overtightened them - I vaguely remember giving them just a bit of twist a few

sessions back because of a few minor wrinkles I spotted on the sail.

>

>



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A friend broke the 2 top battens on a 5.0 when he slammed down on a wave

in Kanaha. A catapult on to the battens will break them.



Alex Zotov wrote:

> I got a couple of battens broken on a 5.0 sail (#2 and #4 from the top). No

biggie/ easy to replace with the superb Sailworks support, but I am just curious

why do they break? The sail isn't that old, and in particular it's interesting

that 2 of them broke at the same time. I wonder if this may have been because I

overtightened them - I vaguely remember giving them just a bit of twist a few

sessions back because of a few minor wrinkles I spotted on the sail.

>

>

>

> It's interesting that the sail didn't feel good at all when I tried to sail it

with battens broken (and it generally feels really good); I guess the things do

have a reason to be there :-).

>

>

>

> thanks

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> Alex

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Interesting. I do do "jumps". I mean take offs not necessarily followed by

landing on the board :-). (though it's been a while since I catapulted...

fingers crossed).



cheers



Alex







To: NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com

From: firewood2005@...

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:04:42 -0700

Subject: Re: why do battens break?















A friend broke the 2 top battens on a 5.0 when he slammed down on a wave

in Kanaha. A catapult on to the battens will break them.



Alex Zotov wrote:

> I got a couple of battens broken on a 5.0 sail (#2 and #4 from the top). No

biggie/ easy to replace with the superb Sailworks support, but I am just curious

why do they break? The sail isn't that old, and in particular it's interesting

that 2 of them broke at the same time. I wonder if this may have been because I

overtightened them - I vaguely remember giving them just a bit of twist a few

sessions back because of a few minor wrinkles I spotted on the sail.

>

>

>

> It's interesting that the sail didn't feel good at all when I tried to sail it

with battens broken (and it generally feels really good); I guess the things do

have a reason to be there :-).

>

>

>

> thanks

>

> Alex

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Surf creates all sorts of new ways to juxtaposition your body and your

gear.  Said by a wanna-be wave sailor who muffed his only wave sailing

opportunity so far this year.



- Don



Alex Zotov wrote:

> Interesting. I do do "jumps". I mean take offs not necessarily followed by

landing on the board :-). (though it's been a while since I catapulted...

fingers crossed).

>

> cheers

>

> Alex

>

Ways to help your battens last a long time :)







There's tons that could be discussed back and forth, with pros and cons, and

lots of details regarding this.







However, here's a few random thoughts, in addition to what's been said.







Avoid crashing into them.







When your sail is in the water, avoid muscling it into un-natural positions.

Positions that the sail designer didn't intend upon, compared to how it should

flex when in the wind.







Don't over-tension them.







And something I do, that I know most do not anymore. I think that my sails and

battens last longer because I de-tension the battens after sailing. The batten

and the sail can relax. I think that if you relieve that... then the sail and

batten material is not ALWAYS under pressure... and therefore those components

will last longer. Things are less likely to break... they don't wear out as

fast... the sails look better... and the re-sale is more.







If you do this, and they still break... than it must be a supplier material

problem, and that's a major hassle, cause they're expensive and your sail is

"not right" till ya get a new one.







Greg -







To: nw-windtalk@yahoogroups.com

From: alexzotov@...

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:29:38 -0700

Subject: why do battens break?

















I got a couple of battens broken on a 5.0 sail (#2 and #4 from the top). No

biggie/ easy to replace with the superb Sailworks support, but I am just curious

why do they break? The sail isn't that old, and in particular it's interesting

that 2 of them broke at the same time. I wonder if this may have been because I

overtightened them - I vaguely remember giving them just a bit of twist a few

sessions back because of a few minor wrinkles I spotted on the sail.



It's interesting that the sail didn't feel good at all when I tried to sail it

with battens broken (and it generally feels really good); I guess the things do

have a reason to be there :-).



thanks



Alex



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--- In NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com, andreas macke <a_macke@...> wrote:

>

> I was planning on helping Darren and Scotia out by bringing some

charterboards/rigs down for Nationals (Trident, the Starboard distributors, are

making them available for charter). Unfortunately, it turns out that the boards

are sitting in a warehouse near SeaTac (as opposed to their old warehouse in

Blaine, where I thought they were), and I have no way of stopping by there on

the way down during business hours (as I'll be driving either Friday night or at

the crack of dawn Saturday morning).

>

> Is anyone going to the Gorge from the Seattle area over the next week or so

willing to help out by bringing some of this stuff down? Pick-up would have to

be sometime during business hours in SeaTac; drop off in the Gorge is pretty

flexible (as we have a number of people who can help get the stuff from whoever

carried it down).

>

> You help would be greatly appreciated!

>

> -Andreas

> 360-393-5188

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>I picked up the boards on Friday and delivered them to Bruce Peterson at

sailworks. I was able to deliver all five baords. No wind though, so my son and

I went SUP.



Cheers,



Craig

--- In NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com, "shuriterenshi" <shurite7@...> wrote:

  >I picked up the boards on Friday and delivered them to Bruce Peterson at

sailworks. I was able to deliver all five baords. No wind though, so my son and

I went SUP.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Craig

>

Craig,

thanks so much for helping out with this - it's much appreciated. Sorry to hear

you got skunked on Friday.



Cheers,

-Andreas