I had NP sails in 2002 and 2003(they were not recommanding skinny, probably
because their friend who was making skinny was anable to produce one who would
last for a month..but that is another story) and was using skinny and never felt
whatever they were saying. the feeling was a bit different. My friend who was
with me on maui at the same time had broken 2 mast in a month(sept)...switch to
skinny and the other 3 months we were there(oct - dec..bigger swell) he never
broke any mast. So...just for that I would recommand a skinny even if someone
feel the sail a bit fuller and become overpower quicker...if ever ever you feel
that!  Honnestly, I'm using a 3.8 and 3.3 with my skinny and below 4.7...the
feeling is less noticable...I feel a bit more difference in my 6.2(skinny vs
sdm).
I think we are good sailor...we both have over 20 yrs of windsurfing under the
belt and are very sensitive to quiver, and both add that discussion and could't
find what people were saying..or more what NP was saying at that time. Since
2003 I switched to Ezzy and they recommand skinny...so I can't talk for latest
sails...but I doubt big time.
nord_roi



To: nw-windtalk@...: GregNW44@...: Thu, 31 Jul 2008
18:35:56 -0700Subject: RE: Mast extensions and all that




Most of this... sorry, don't know.Regarding, will you get more power out of a
3.7 with a skinny mast compared to a regular diameter mast, because you'll get
more shape due to the leftover material of the luff-sleeve????I get your
theory... but I really doubt if anybody could ever feel the minor improvement...
if there even is one.Unless you're 110#... using a 3.7 means it's REALLY
windy... and most people (except full-time Gorge sailors) would be going so fast
across the extremely bumpy and wavy terrain, that just staying in control is a
priority for them (me). I just doubt that there's any noticeable power
improvement due to a "smoother air flowing" luff sleeve.Just my 2 cents, Greg (a
very practical guy :-)To: NW-WINDTALK@...:
gary.wood@...: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:13:42 -0700Subject: Mast
extensions and all thatI have a set of Northwave ZXLs from 4.2 up. I rig them on
Powerex Z Tapers, the poor man's skinny mast. It seems that many folks don't
like these masts, but to me they act like a skinny, use my standard extensions,
and perform quite well.Q1 - If I am not sailing waves or looping, is there a
durability issue with Z-tapers?So now I've picked up a 3.7 ZX, and had a chance
to try it out. Pretty nice, but I don't have a short Z taper, so I rigged it on
a 370 Z wave standard diameter. I am convinced that part of the power I get in
the other sails is because of that little bit of extra luff left over using a
skinny diameter mast. It allows the body of the sail to deepen that little bit
extra even with lots of downhaul. I felt the 3.7 was somewhat underpowered for
it's size.Q2 - Is this my imagination, or can I expect improved performance with
this sail using a skinny mast?So I am pondering the conversion to skinnies. Such
a conversion would take me a while, as my annual toy budget is pretty small. In
pricing components, I noticed that even the basic model skinny extensions are
about 40% more costly than their standard diameter brethren.Q3 - Other than
slightly less material required to make one, is there another difference (aside
from supply/demand) that makes skinny extensions more
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Hello everybody,
How can I get more information about the city league? I live in the Seattle area
and I would love to participate.
thank you
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I need a ride back from HR on Sunday.  I'll pay my share of gas.  No gear, just
a duffel bag.

Send me email, or call me at 206-605-6090.

                 -- Louis


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Only for the Race Hybrid have F2, Mistral, and BIC standardized the
mastfoot.  Makes sense since it is supposed to be a "One Design."

However, for other older boards, I know for certain that the old F2 and
Mistral mast track pins were not the same.  Close, but not exactly the
same.  I don't even know what BIC did in their old mast tracks.  We have an
old F2 Comet Slalom that takes a F2 mast track pin.  The Mistral pin does
not fit.

So, good, I'm glad you have that part taken care of.

Be sure to take your fin with you into Tacoma Screw to make sure you get
the right threads.  Heck, for that matter, take both fin and board to make
sure everything will fit up correctly.

--Rick

At 04:41 PM 7/31/2008 -0700, you wrote:
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>Mistral
>and
>Bic
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>around a
>new
>mast-foot
>spec
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>their
>adjustable
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>track brds.
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>Screw
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>much.
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>Sanjay
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>
>-----
>Original
>Message
>----
>"segler@..."<segler@...>
>
>To:
>NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:04:40
>PM
>
>Subject: RE: Reccomendations on where to buy misc. windsurfing
>parts
>
>
>Yes, on their website BIC lists a mast base included with a
>new
>hybrid
>board.  It may be that Sanjay got the board used.
>
>------------ --
>Original message ------------ --------- -
><>
>>
>> Wow,
>that sounds cool,
>I'd like to see that board!!
>>
>> Sorry, I'm not much
>help, but has the
>industry changed? Didn't you get a
>proper
>> mast base
>with the board
>when you bought it? I've been kinda out of the
>state of
>
>> the art new
>gear for a few years... but back in the day, every long
>board
>and
>>
>short board would come from the manufacturer with their
>mast base.
>(Well,
>maybe
>> not all the short boards... but all the
>longboards did...
>proprietary mast
>> tracks, etc)
>>
>>"" for an
>awesome hardware
>collection.
>>
>> Greg -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To:
>NW-WINDTALK@ yahoogroups.
>comFrom: RAI6996@yahoo. comDate: Thu, 31
>Jul
>2008
>> 14:15:52
>-0700Subject: Reccomendations on where to buy misc.
>windsurfing
>parts
>>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,I just got my new Bic One
>Design Hybrid Board and I
>haven't been
>able to
>>> The board
>> has
>adjustable mast track (First
>for me ) and it doesn't accommodate
>my
>existing
>> (US) mast-foot that I
>have been using on my starboard :(
>- The hole
>(receptacle)
>> embedded in
>the adjustable mast track is too
>small for my current mast
>foot. I
>>
>checked a bunch of online places
>and had no luck. I'd appreciate any help
>on
>> where I can find a
>mast-foot for adjustable mast track boards or
>even how to
>>> The Board
>has Deep Tuttle
>> fin Box but the screws are a
>bit too short - It barely
>reaches the
>threads on
>> the fin - I was able
>to attach the Fins after
>struggling (and cursing)
>for while
>> but I had
>to take the washers off
>to give me that extra little length. I
>really
>>
>don't think I want to
>tighten those screws too much with out the
>washers.
>I also
>> have some
>really nice Tuttle Fins that I'd like to use
>with this board
>but these
>
>> fins have no prayer of being screwed in.
>Where can I find some
>extra-long
>fin
>> screws.Thanks in advance for any
>help - Hopefully I
>can get this board up
>and
>> going soon - My goal is
>to start racing
>with you'll in the City league next
>> year.regards,
>Sanjay[Non- text
>portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>slive.com/ summergiveaway/ ?ocid=tag_ jlyhm
>>
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Fascinating story - Thanks,  Greg

From: anthwind@...: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:29:40 -0700Subject: Brazilian
River Surfing or Just when you thought it was save to go back in the water.




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Most of this... sorry, don't know.

Regarding, will you get more power out of a 3.7 with a skinny mast compared to a
regular diameter mast, because you'll get more shape due to the leftover
material of the luff-sleeve????

I get your theory... but I really doubt if anybody could ever feel the minor
improvement... if there even is one.

Unless you're 110#... using a 3.7 means it's REALLY windy... and most people
(except full-time Gorge sailors) would be going so fast across the extremely
bumpy and wavy terrain, that just staying in control is a priority for them
(me). I just doubt that there's any noticeable power improvement due to a
"smoother air flowing" luff sleeve.

Just my 2 cents,  Greg (a very practical guy :-)




To: NW-WINDTALK@...: gary.wood@...: Thu, 31
Jul 2008 16:13:42 -0700Subject: Mast extensions and all that




I have a set of Northwave ZXLs from 4.2 up. I rig them on Powerex Z Tapers, the
poor man's skinny mast. It seems that many folks don't like these masts, but to
me they act like a skinny, use my standard extensions, and perform quite well.Q1
- If I am not sailing waves or looping, is there a durability issue with
Z-tapers?So now I've picked up a 3.7 ZX, and had a chance to try it out. Pretty
nice, but I don't have a short Z taper, so I rigged it on a 370 Z wave standard
diameter. I am convinced that part of the power I get in the other sails is
because of that little bit of extra luff left over using a skinny diameter mast.
It allows the body of the sail to deepen that little bit extra even with lots of
downhaul. I felt the 3.7 was somewhat underpowered for it's size.Q2 - Is this my
imagination, or can I expect improved performance with this sail using a skinny
mast?So I am pondering the conversion to skinnies. Such a conversion would take
me a while, as my annual toy budget is pretty small. In pricing components, I
noticed that even the basic model skinny extensions are about 40% more costly
than their standard diameter brethren.Q3 - Other than slightly less material
required to make one, is there another difference (aside from supply/demand)
that makes skinny extensions more expensive?CheersGary[Non-text portions of this
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Well -

Glad you asked,

Glad the suggestions worked,

Glad they're gonna follow through, to correct it.

Just too bad it meant a delay for you...

they DO know better.



To: NW-WINDTALK@...: RAI6996@...: Thu, 31 Jul 2008
16:41:41 -0700Subject: Re: Reccomendations on where to buy misc. windsurfing
parts




Thanks all. After reading your suggestions I called The-House and demanded a
mast foot. It's coming. Evidently F2, Mistral and Bic have standardized around a
new mast-foot spec for their adjustable mast track boards. Tacoma Screw is a
great idea - I'll stop there after work today. We should have sailable
conditions on Friday.Thanks much.regards,Sanjay----- Original Message ----From:
"segler@..." <segler@...>To: NW-WINDTALK@...:
Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:04:40 PMSubject: RE: Reccomendations on where to buy
misc. windsurfing partsYes, on their website BIC lists a mast base included with
a new hybrid board. It may be that Sanjay got the board used.------------ --
Original message ------------ --------- -From: Greg Mejlaender
<GregNW44@hotmail. com>> > Wow, that sounds cool, I'd like to see that board!!>
> Sorry, I'm not much help, but has the industry changed? Didn't you get a
proper > mast base with the board when you bought it? I've been kinda out of the
state of > the art new gear for a few years... but back in the day, every long
board and > short board would come from the manufacturer with their mast base.
(Well, maybe > not all the short boards... but all the longboards did...
proprietary mast > tracks, etc)> > Try "Tacoma Screw" for an awesome hardware
collection.> > Greg - > > > > > To: NW-WINDTALK@ yahoogroups. comFrom:
RAI6996@yahoo. comDate: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 > 14:15:52 -0700Subject:
Reccomendations on where to buy misc. windsurfing parts> > > > > Hi all,I just
got my new Bic One Design Hybrid Board and I haven't been able to > go sailing
on it and it is killing me!Here is what I'm missing :1.> The board > has
adjustable mast track (First for me ) and it doesn't accommodate my existing >
(US) mast-foot that I have been using on my starboard :( - The hole (receptacle)
> embedded in the adjustable mast track is too small for my current mast foot. I
> checked a bunch of online places and had no luck. I'd appreciate any help on >
where I can find a mast-foot for adjustable mast track boards or even how to >
specify this so I can ask for the correct part. 2.> The Board has Deep Tuttle >
fin Box but the screws are a bit too short - It barely reaches the threads on >
the fin - I was able to attach the Fins after struggling (and cursing) for while
> but I had to take the washers off to give me that extra little length. I
really > don't think I want to tighten those screws too much with out the
washers. I also > have some really nice Tuttle Fins that I'd like to use with
this board but these > fins have no prayer of being screwed in. Where can I find
some extra-long fin > screws.Thanks in advance for any help - Hopefully I can
get this board up and > going soon - My goal is to start racing with you'll in
the City league next > year.regards, Sanjay[Non- text portions of this message
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I have 3 tuttle fins for sale, $20 each.

25cm slotted wave fin
29cm slalom fin
32cm slalom fin

--Glenn R.

--- In NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com, "krassovsky" <viatk@...> wrote:
>
> Let me know if you have anything....
>
> Thanks,
> Slavik
>

Thanks all. After reading your suggestions I called The-House and demanded a
mast foot. It's coming. Evidently F2, Mistral and Bic have standardized around a
new mast-foot spec for their adjustable mast track boards.

Tacoma Screw is a great idea - I'll stop there after work today.

We should have sailable conditions on Friday.

Thanks much.

regards,
Sanjay




----- Original Message ----
From: "segler@..." <segler@...>
To: NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:04:40 PM
Subject: RE: Reccomendations on where to buy misc. windsurfing parts


Yes, on their website BIC lists a mast base included with a new hybrid board. 
It may be that Sanjay got the board used.
------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- -
From: Greg Mejlaender <GregNW44@hotmail. com>
>
> Wow, that sounds cool, I'd like to see that board!!
>
> Sorry, I'm not much help, but has the industry changed? Didn't you get a
proper
> mast base with the board when you bought it? I've been kinda out of the state
of
> the art new gear for a few years... but back in the day, every long board and
> short board would come from the manufacturer with their mast base. (Well,
maybe
> not all the short boards... but all the longboards did... proprietary mast
> tracks, etc)
>
> Try "Tacoma Screw" for an awesome hardware collection.
>
> Greg -
>
>
>
>
> To: NW-WINDTALK@ yahoogroups. comFrom: RAI6996@yahoo. comDate: Thu, 31 Jul
2008
> 14:15:52 -0700Subject: Reccomendations on where to buy misc. windsurfing parts
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,I just got my new Bic One Design Hybrid Board and I haven't been able
to
> go sailing on it and it is killing me!Here is what I'm missing :1.> The board
> has adjustable mast track (First for me ) and it doesn't accommodate my
existing
> (US) mast-foot that I have been using on my starboard :( - The hole
(receptacle)
> embedded in the adjustable mast track is too small for my current mast foot. I
> checked a bunch of online places and had no luck. I'd appreciate any help on
> where I can find a mast-foot for adjustable mast track boards or even how to
> specify this so I can ask for the correct part. 2.> The Board has Deep Tuttle
> fin Box but the screws are a bit too short - It barely reaches the threads on
> the fin - I was able to attach the Fins after struggling (and cursing) for
while
> but I had to take the washers off to give me that extra little length. I
really
> don't think I want to tighten those screws too much with out the washers. I
also
> have some really nice Tuttle Fins that I'd like to use with this board but
these
> fins have no prayer of being screwed in. Where can I find some extra-long fin
> screws.Thanks in advance for any help - Hopefully I can get this board up and
> going soon - My goal is to start racing with you'll in the City league next
> year.regards, Sanjay[Non- text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now!
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>
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>

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Statesman Journal Article
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008807310345

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have a set of Northwave ZXLs from 4.2 up.  I rig them on Powerex Z Tapers, the
poor man's skinny mast.  It seems that many folks don't like these masts, but to
me they act like a skinny, use my standard extensions, and perform quite well.

Q1 - If I am not sailing waves or looping, is there a durability issue with
Z-tapers?

So now I've picked up a 3.7 ZX, and had a chance to try it out.  Pretty nice,
but I don't have a short Z taper, so I rigged it on a 370 Z wave standard
diameter.  I am convinced that part of the power I get in the other sails is
because of that little bit of extra luff left over using a skinny diameter mast.
It allows the body of the sail to deepen that little bit extra even with lots of
downhaul.  I felt the 3.7 was somewhat underpowered for it's size.

Q2 - Is this my imagination, or can I expect improved performance with this sail
using a skinny mast?

So I am pondering the conversion to skinnies.  Such a conversion would take me a
while, as my annual toy budget is pretty small.  In pricing components, I
noticed that even the basic model skinny extensions are about 40% more costly
than their standard diameter brethren.

Q3 - Other than slightly less material required to make one, is there another
difference (aside from supply/demand) that makes skinny extensions more
expensive?

Cheers
Gary




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Yes, on their website BIC lists a mast base included with a new hybrid board. 
It may be that Sanjay got the board used.
  -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Greg Mejlaender <GregNW44@...>
>
> Wow, that sounds cool, I'd like to see that board!!
>
> Sorry, I'm not much help, but has the industry changed? Didn't you get a
proper
> mast base with the board when you bought it? I've been kinda out of the state
of
> the art new gear for a few years... but back in the day, every long board and
> short board would come from the manufacturer with their mast base. (Well,
maybe
> not all the short boards... but all the longboards did... proprietary mast
> tracks, etc)
>
> Try "Tacoma Screw" for an awesome hardware collection.
>
> Greg -
>
>
>
>
> To: NW-WINDTALK@...: RAI6996@...: Thu, 31 Jul 2008
> 14:15:52 -0700Subject: Reccomendations on where to buy misc. windsurfing parts
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,I just got my new Bic One Design Hybrid Board and I haven't been able
to
> go sailing on it and it is killing me!Here is what I'm missing :1.> The board
> has adjustable mast track (First for me ) and it doesn't accommodate my
existing
> (US) mast-foot that I have been using on my starboard :( - The hole
(receptacle)
> embedded in the adjustable mast track is too small for my current mast foot. I
> checked a bunch of online places and had no luck. I'd appreciate any help on
> where I can find a mast-foot for adjustable mast track boards or even how to
> specify this so I can ask for the correct part. 2.> The Board has Deep Tuttle
> fin Box but the screws are a bit too short - It barely reaches the threads on
> the fin - I was able to attach the Fins after struggling (and cursing) for
while
> but I had to take the washers off to give me that extra little length. I
really
> don't think I want to tighten those screws too much with out the washers. I
also
> have some really nice Tuttle Fins that I'd like to use with this board but
these
> fins have no prayer of being screwed in. Where can I find some extra-long fin
> screws.Thanks in advance for any help - Hopefully I can get this board up and
> going soon - My goal is to start racing with you'll in the City league next
> year.regards,Sanjay[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Wow, that sounds cool, I'd like to see that board!!

Sorry, I'm not much help, but has the industry changed? Didn't you get a proper
mast base with the board when you bought it? I've been kinda out of the state of
the art new gear for a few years... but back in the day, every long board and
short board would come from the manufacturer with their mast base. (Well, maybe
not all the short boards... but all the longboards did... proprietary mast
tracks, etc)

Try "Tacoma Screw" for an awesome hardware collection.

Greg -




To: NW-WINDTALK@...: RAI6996@...: Thu, 31 Jul 2008
14:15:52 -0700Subject: Reccomendations on where to buy misc. windsurfing parts




Hi all,I just got my new Bic One Design Hybrid Board and I haven't been able to
go sailing on it and it is killing me!Here is what I'm missing :1.> The board
has adjustable mast track (First for me ) and it doesn't accommodate my existing
(US) mast-foot that I have been using on my starboard :( - The hole (receptacle)
embedded in the adjustable mast track is too small for my current mast foot. I
checked a bunch of online places and had no luck. I'd appreciate any help on
where I can find a mast-foot for adjustable mast track boards or even how to
specify this so I can ask for the correct part. 2.> The Board has Deep Tuttle
fin Box but the screws are a bit too short - It barely reaches the threads on
the fin - I was able to attach the Fins after struggling (and cursing) for while
but I had to take the washers off to give me that extra little length. I really
don't think I want to tighten those screws too much with out the washers. I also
have some really nice Tuttle Fins that I'd like to use with this board but these
fins have no prayer of being screwed in. Where can I find some extra-long fin
screws.Thanks in advance for any help - Hopefully I can get this board up and
going soon - My goal is to start racing with you'll in the City league next
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If I am stating the obvious please forgive.

1.  For the mast-track/mast-foot interface, why not contact BIC directly?  I
have to believe they provide this gear for their own board.  If you surveyed the
retail shops in Hood River to find the one(s) that handle BIC, I'm sure they
could help you.  You could also talk with Urban Surf here as well.

2.  There is no fin screw length standard since lengths vary with tail
thickness.  The only thing that is probably standard is that the thread is
probably 6mm (or maybe 1/4-20) to match the inserts in the fin head.  Urban Surf
has a drawer full of stainless fin screws, both metric and American, in a
variety of lengths.  Shops in Hood River do, too.  So does Tacoma Screw.  I go
through this fin screw exercise every time I get a new fin or board.

--Rick


  -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Sanjay Rai <RAI6996@...>
> Hi all,
>
> I just got my new Bic One Design Hybrid Board and I haven't been able to go
> sailing on it and it is killing me!
>
> Here is what I'm missing :
>
> 1.>  The board has adjustable mast track (First for me ) and it doesn't
> accommodate my existing (US) mast-foot that I have been using on my starboard
> :(  - The hole (receptacle) embedded in the adjustable mast track is too small
> for my current mast foot.   I checked a bunch of online places and had no
luck.
> I'd appreciate any help on where I can find a mast-foot for adjustable mast
> track boards or even how to specify this so I can ask for the correct part.
>
> 2.> The Board has Deep Tuttle fin Box but the screws are a bit too short - It
> barely reaches the threads on the fin - I was able to attach the Fins after
> struggling (and cursing) for while but I had to take the washers off to give
me
> that extra little length. I really don't think I want to tighten those screws
> too much with out the washers. I also have some really nice Tuttle Fins that
I'd
> like to use with this board but these fins have no prayer of being screwed in.
> Where can I find some extra-long fin screws.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help - Hopefully I can get this board up and going
> soon - My goal is to start racing with you'll in the City league next year.
>
> regards,
> Sanjay
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Hi all,

I just got my new Bic One Design Hybrid Board and I haven't been able to go
sailing on it and it is killing me!

Here is what I'm missing :

1.>  The board has adjustable mast track (First for me ) and it doesn't
accommodate my existing (US) mast-foot that I have been using on my starboard 
:(  - The hole (receptacle) embedded in the adjustable mast track is too small
for my current mast foot.   I checked a bunch of online places and had no luck.
I'd appreciate any help on where I can find a mast-foot for adjustable mast
track boards or even how to specify this so I can ask for the correct part.

2.> The Board has Deep Tuttle fin Box but the screws are a bit too short - It
barely reaches the threads on the fin - I was able to attach the Fins after
struggling (and cursing) for while but I had to take the washers off to give me
that extra little length. I really don't think I want to tighten those screws
too much with out the washers. I also have some really nice Tuttle Fins that I'd
like to use with this board but these fins have no prayer of being screwed in.
Where can I find some extra-long fin screws.

Thanks in advance for any help - Hopefully I can get this board up and going
soon - My goal is to start racing with you'll in the City league next year.

regards,
Sanjay

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Thanks Don....just let me know

Don Ledford <don.ledford@...> wrote:          Dick Desler wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> What shape is you JP in?? any deck impressions, dings, etc...I may be
interested
>
> dr
>
I don't think it has any damage, but I haven't looked recently so I'll
take a closer look tonight. I plan to put the original straps back on
so it has the original nearly new straps :)

- Don






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Dick Desler wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
>     What shape is you JP in??   any deck impressions, dings, etc...I may be
interested
>
>   dr
>
I don't think it has any damage, but I haven't looked recently so I'll
take a closer look tonight.  I plan to put the original straps back on
so it has the original nearly new straps :)

- Don

Maybe this isn't politically correct. Maybe it's not this way anymore but about
10 or 15 years I sailed there on a long board. At that time I sailed around the
island.  As I sailed pass thee marina to the south of the park all I remember
thinking is DON'T fall in.  The sewer smell was very strong. I haven't been
back.
  -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "jamesmschmitt" <Schmitt_J@...>
> Hi all,
> I have windsurfed around Jetty Is for some 20 years;I can see the jetty
> and water from my office ,hence know when to go.
>   The ramp Rick describes is now useless and dangerous, leading to the
> underside of a new dock built (gov't improvement) to accommodate boater
> access to a new south marina.This dock is locked, open only by key to
> those renting the slips, making launching from the dock impossible.
>   The regular docks on the north side where the average joe shmoe
> launches his boat is a difficult launch for a windsurfer. You have to
> walk your gear out to the end of the dock, jump from the dock onto your
> board into a directly onshore breeze, sail away right into the
> prevailing wind, dodging lots  boat traffic as you do so.And yes there
> usually is a brisk current there. If you fall one risks getting pinned
> between one's sail and the dock (ie visualize death by drowning). I
> have launched there on several occasions but it is tricky.What used to
> be a friendly launch has now become an experts only launch.(Thank you,
> Gov't)
>  What I do now is briefly park my motorhome at the very north end of
> the marina park,(informing the nice ranger I'm unloading) rig on the
> sliver of weeds between the asphalt and the boulders, walk down those
> boulders and then across a muck field to where the water becomes deep
> enough to safely launch.
>  The kiteboys don't have this problem as they are not launching here,
> rather opting to paddle across the river on kayaks to the island and
> then launching on it's west side.
>  Jetty Island does have it's attractions but no longer is it the grass
> rigging area and user friendly launch.
>
>    See you on the wave face.
>
>        Jim Schmitt
>
>
>
>




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Hi Don,

     What shape is you JP in??   any deck impressions, dings, etc...I may be
interested

   dr

Don Ledford <don.ledford@...> wrote:
           Sailboard: $400
JP Super Cross 115L
One of my all time favorite boards. Very fast, planes early, and jumps
well. Replaced in my quiver by a board with more rocker so it works
better wave sailing.

Surfboard: $500
10'6" Mickey Munoz Glide (Surftech) with board bag - perfect condition
This is a really good first surfboard especially for a big person. It
also is a great mushy day long board.

- Don






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Thanks Rick and Marty for the info... But it wasn't quite making sense, as I
looked at the area a month ago.
So... Jim answers. Thanks, now we really have the UPDATED story. I'm glad I
didn't totally just miss some nice launch there. When did these "improvements"
occur?
Andreas (who I don't know, but posts here sometimes) talks about sailing
there... I guess he must be doing the same thing now.

I'm a proficient enough longboarder... I've launched off of docks (and even
sailboats) before. But it's always a bit tricky and awkward getting back up
there when you're done :-)

I'll check it out again (my girlfriend lives up there)... and will try out my
longboard and an 8.2 sometime. Probably launch off one of the docks.

Greg -



To: NW-WINDTALK@...: Schmitt_J@...: Thu, 31 Jul 2008
17:03:13 +0000Subject: Jetty Island Since Gov't "Improvements" Now a
Difficult/Dangerous Launch




Hi all,I have windsurfed around Jetty Is for some 20 years;I can see the jetty
and water from my office ,hence know when to go.The ramp Rick describes is now
useless and dangerous, leading to the underside of a new dock built (gov't
improvement) to accommodate boater access to a new south marina.This dock is
locked, open only by key to those renting the slips, making launching from the
dock impossible.The regular docks on the north side where the average joe shmoe
launches his boat is a difficult launch for a windsurfer. You have to walk your
gear out to the end of the dock, jump from the dock onto your board into a
directly onshore breeze, sail away right into the prevailing wind, dodging lots
boat traffic as you do so.And yes there usually is a brisk current there. If you
fall one risks getting pinned between one's sail and the dock (ie visualize
death by drowning). I have launched there on several occasions but it is
tricky.What used to be a friendly launch has now become an experts only
launch.(Thank you, Gov't) What I do now is briefly park my motorhome at the very
north end of the marina park,(informing the nice ranger I'm unloading) rig on
the sliver of weeds between the asphalt and the boulders, walk down those
boulders and then across a muck field to where the water becomes deep enough to
safely launch.The kiteboys don't have this problem as they are not launching
here, rather opting to paddle across the river on kayaks to the island and then
launching on it's west side.Jetty Island does have it's attractions but no
longer is it the grass rigging area and user friendly launch.See you on the wave
face.Jim Schmitt





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Hi all,
I have windsurfed around Jetty Is for some 20 years;I can see the jetty
and water from my office ,hence know when to go.
   The ramp Rick describes is now useless and dangerous, leading to the
underside of a new dock built (gov't improvement) to accommodate boater
access to a new south marina.This dock is locked, open only by key to
those renting the slips, making launching from the dock impossible.
   The regular docks on the north side where the average joe shmoe
launches his boat is a difficult launch for a windsurfer. You have to
walk your gear out to the end of the dock, jump from the dock onto your
board into a directly onshore breeze, sail away right into the
prevailing wind, dodging lots  boat traffic as you do so.And yes there
usually is a brisk current there. If you fall one risks getting pinned
between one's sail and the dock (ie visualize death by drowning). I
have launched there on several occasions but it is tricky.What used to
be a friendly launch has now become an experts only launch.(Thank you,
Gov't)
  What I do now is briefly park my motorhome at the very north end of
the marina park,(informing the nice ranger I'm unloading) rig on the
sliver of weeds between the asphalt and the boulders, walk down those
boulders and then across a muck field to where the water becomes deep
enough to safely launch.
  The kiteboys don't have this problem as they are not launching here,
rather opting to paddle across the river on kayaks to the island and
then launching on it's west side.
  Jetty Island does have it's attractions but no longer is it the grass
rigging area and user friendly launch.

    See you on the wave face.

        Jim Schmitt

I have a very good condition 26cm G-Sport B+J fin (U.S. box) that I have used
from 5.2-6.9. 26 years experience and these B+Js from Curtice are my favs of all
time.
It's on iwindsurf under "Various Curtice Race fins"
Brian
(650)346-7245

I have a new shallow Tuttle 32cm g-Sport "Free Speed"
It's on iwindsurf.com under "Various Curtice Race Fins"
Brian
(650)346-7245

when you go to the main park... where the cars park and you catch the foot
ferry... look west towards the island... the your left/the south next to the new
marina for yachts is a small ramp.  This ramp was made for kayaks and, yes,
windsurfers, back in the 80s when sindsurfing exploded in popularity.  The ramp,
no longer gives complete access to the channel now because of the marina dock.  
You may have to walk your gear out onto the marina dock which is directly south
of the ramp in order to get right into the channel.

Marty

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Greg Mejlaender <GregNW44@...>

Good question Everett. Is your name really the same as where you live? Cause,
that's pretty cool. And what kind of gear do you have? It sounds like the normal
conditions would be really good for a longboard too (certainly good at going up
and down wind in that channel)... that's what I'd use there. And good answers
and info. Marty and Rick!!I have a follow up for you guys (Andreas, etc. too)
that have launched from the park there. I went there last month to check it out
cause I'm going to try it out one of these days. And I saw the park and grass
area to rig on. But my question is - where exactly did you put in the water? All
I saw was a steep bank of big, sharp rocks, much like most of the bank between
the Event site and The Hook. Or you could walk in at the boat launch (I've done
that before and got an oil slick on my sail, yuck!) Or you could drop your gear
off the side of one of the docks. None of it looked great (regarding getting in
the water)... what am I missing? Greg -

To: nw-windtalk@...: everettk@...: Mon, 28 Jul 2008
15:15:21 -0700Subject: sandbar island location near Everett?

I heard about an island-sandbar type of thing near Everett where windsurfersand
kindsurfers hang out - what's the name of this location and any insidertips
about launch points and surfing conditions there?Thanks![Non-text portions of
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On the far southwest corner of that grassy park is a little walk-down ramp that
takes you right to the water.
  -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Greg Mejlaender <GregNW44@...>
>
> Good question Everett. Is your name really the same as where you live? Cause,
> that's pretty cool. And what kind of gear do you have? It sounds like the
normal
> conditions would be really good for a longboard too (certainly good at going
up
> and down wind in that channel)... that's what I'd use there. And good answers
> and info. Marty and Rick!!I have a follow up for you guys (Andreas, etc. too)
> that have launched from the park there. I went there last month to check it
out
> cause I'm going to try it out one of these days. And I saw the park and grass
> area to rig on.  But my question is - where exactly did you put in the water?
> All I saw was a steep bank of big, sharp rocks, much like most of the bank
> between the Event site and The Hook. Or you could walk in at the boat launch
> (I've done that before and got an oil slick on my sail, yuck!) Or you could
drop
> your gear off the side of one of the docks. None of it looked great (regarding
> getting in the water)... what am I missing? Greg -
>
>
> To: nw-windtalk@...: everettk@...: Mon, 28 Jul 2008
> 15:15:21 -0700Subject: sandbar island location near Everett?
>
>
>
> I heard about an island-sandbar type of thing near Everett where
windsurfersand
> kindsurfers hang out - what's the name of this location and any insidertips
> about launch points and surfing conditions there?Thanks![Non-text portions of
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I have several Tuttle box fins in that size. Email me directly and I'll send you
some pics and such.

Mike

   ----- Original Message -----
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   To: NW-WINDTALK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:37 PM
   Subject: Wanted: Tuttle / Deep Tuttle Box Fin 31 - 36 cm


   Let me know if you have anything....

   Thanks,
   Slavik






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Sailboard: $400
     JP Super Cross 115L
One of my all time favorite boards. Very fast, planes early, and jumps
well. Replaced in my quiver by a board with more rocker so it works
better wave sailing.

Surfboard: $500
     10'6" Mickey Munoz Glide (Surftech) with board bag - perfect condition
This is a really good first surfboard especially for a big person. It
also is a great mushy day long board.

- Don

Good question Everett. Is your name really the same as where you live? Cause,
that's pretty cool. And what kind of gear do you have? It sounds like the normal
conditions would be really good for a longboard too (certainly good at going up
and down wind in that channel)... that's what I'd use there. And good answers
and info. Marty and Rick!!I have a follow up for you guys (Andreas, etc. too)
that have launched from the park there. I went there last month to check it out
cause I'm going to try it out one of these days. And I saw the park and grass
area to rig on.  But my question is - where exactly did you put in the water?
All I saw was a steep bank of big, sharp rocks, much like most of the bank
between the Event site and The Hook. Or you could walk in at the boat launch
(I've done that before and got an oil slick on my sail, yuck!) Or you could drop
your gear off the side of one of the docks. None of it looked great (regarding
getting in the water)... what am I missing? Greg -


To: nw-windtalk@...: everettk@...: Mon, 28 Jul 2008
15:15:21 -0700Subject: sandbar island location near Everett?



I heard about an island-sandbar type of thing near Everett where windsurfersand
kindsurfers hang out - what's the name of this location and any insidertips
about launch points and surfing conditions there?Thanks![Non-text portions of
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Hey Windsurfers,

Join Dave & Graham Ezzy here at Windance for a burger & a beer.
Saturday night after sailing from 7-10pm. This party is just celebrate
summer in the Gorge & showcase the '09 Ezzys.

If you want to sail with the Ezzy family team Saturday & Sunday, then
keep your eyes posted to the iWindsurf forum for location.

See you here,

Dave, Thomas, Ginger and the rest of the Windance crew.

Yeah, I don't think that shop is there anymore. But when it was, I went in and
talked to those guys... I think they used to walk out from the shop and sail the
bay right there. I never sailed there, but I used to see others rippin' back and
forth.

I'd say, go for it! That's the cool thing about this sport... if there's a
breeze and you can get to the water, try it out. Exploring new places is most
excellent!!

Of course be sensible with your adventurous spirit: sail with a buddy (or at
least have someone on the beach who knows you're out there), know currents and
weather conditions, know your skill and gear limitations, try to find out about
underwater hazards, etc. etc. etc.

(Not that I've always followed the above advice... but still... I'm just saying
:-)

Greg -




To: NW-WINDTALK@...: douglas.rose@...: Tue, 29 Jul
2008 14:19:39 +0000Subject: Re: Anyone sail Youngs Bay near Astoria?




There used to be (maybe still is) a windsurfing shop across the bridge in
Warrenton. They would sail there by the bridge on there end and on the west
side. They said they had to walk in the mud a little during low tide. I also saw
some folks sail once from the Astoria side of the bridge on the West side
also.-------------- Original message ----------------------From: "skyjs"
<skyjs@...>> My family has a beach cabin near there and it looks like a
great place> to sail. Of course, if someone really had the skills, they could
sail> the Columbia, but I'm a beginner.Anyone checked it out?> Thanks> John S>
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