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>> And as we know, batteries arent exactly a light wieght way to
>> store power...especially when compared to liquid fuels...

It is important to distinguish between "power" and "energy"
when you are talking about batteries. I like to use the "Slurpie
analogy" to help folks understand about power versus energy in
batteries.

The amount of juice in the cup is the energy. The size of the
straw is power. Like a Slurpie, if you draw the juice out quickly,
you will "suck air" after a time. If you let the Slurpie recover for
a minute or two, you can draw hard again, as long as there is some
juice left in the cup.

The present state-of-the-art batteries have some pretty
amazing power-to-weight ratios. This is called "specific power". The
specific power of the A123 Systems cells we use in the KillaCycle is
about 4,000 Watts/kg (at 75 C.) This works out to 11.8 HP/lb. The
next generation of these cells (not in production yet, unfortunately)
are touted to have about 6,000 W/kg (17.7 HP/lb).

Cells this powerful move the weight reduction efforts over to
the motor and controller.

Bill Dube'
http://www.KillaCycle.com





Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:17 am

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Hi guys... New to this forum and have an interest in electric drag racing...but of fairly short times and distances....which makes it much more practical and...
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HI- I just found your message in my inbox, I had flaged it for futher attention,and then lost it. things to avoid: go-carts are not allowed for saftey reasons....
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In a message dated 2/12/2007 9:08:37 AM Central Standard Time, crabtrdw@... writes: HI- I just found your message in my inbox, I had flaged it for...
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Hi Bill, I would suggest getting in touch with Jim Husted at Hi-Torque Electric. He's the motor expert and can provide some insight on motor performance. ...
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Feb 12, 2007
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We have been able to get 30 hp to the rear wheel of a motorcycle using a e-tek motor at 22 lbs. Brian Hall Thunderstruck-ev.com Hi Bill, I would suggest...
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Feb 12, 2007
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Bill, 300-600 pounds could be easily done on a motorcycle. My bike weighs in at about 250 pounds. The Killacycle is 625 pounds, and it's the quickest...
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Feb 13, 2007
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Hp per pound, One can easily do (with an e-tek) 22 lb motor , get 30 hp out , SO over 1 hp per pound. AGM (hawker ep-16)battery might look like this. 12 volt...
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Hi again guys Thanks again for the responses....I ran across this...and I must say I am amazed....and I thought you guys would be interested as well.... ...
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... It is important to distinguish between "power" and "energy" when you are talking about batteries. I like to use the "Slurpie analogy" to help folks...
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Feb 19, 2007
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In a message dated 2/18/2007 6:18:27 PM Central Standard Time, Yahoo@... writes: The present state-of-the-The present state-of-the-<W amazing...
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billcave6
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Feb 19, 2007
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20 HP for 30 minutes works out to about 150 W-Hr/kg. Well within the capabilities of high-quality laptop Li-Ion cells. The numbers I gave for A123 Systems...
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