I totally agree with the points Bret made.

This is a good lesson that we learned. For next year, by planning the
season good ahead, and knowing which teams are going to which races
ahead of the season, we can avoid the problem, all of which need all the
teams to meet up to discuss at some point. We should talk more a the
Mightyman.

This conference has just started and we need more input and active
participation from all the schools, i.e. BU, Syracuse, MIT, Yale, West
Point, UVM, Brown, Harvard, WU, PSU, and NE. We really want *all of you*
to be involved in the discussion and competition.

We have been fortunate to have Bret, as a USAT Collegiate Commission,
and the board members in USAT North East (Steve Kelly, Ian Briggs, and
Eric Averill), all of whom have been very supportive of our conference.

I heard we are becoming a role model of other collegiate conferences. It
is really a time for all of us to get involved and discuss, plan, and
implement the better conference.


K
SUTRI & NECTC




Bret Fortenberry wrote:
> Yes this is something we would need to vote on. I have been trying to
> put together a conference board that consist of one representative from
> each team and that items like this must be voted by the board. I do not
> want it where a select few make the decision for the whole conference.
>
> I agree this is not fair for the competitiveness for the conference. On
> the other hand much of this is due to the fact that many teams did not
> go to most of the races.
>
> The four issues that I want to bring up are:
> 1. It would not really be fair for the person that actually went to the
> race. However, I understand your point and there are options to make it
> where we only count her individual score and not the team score. I
> cannot take away her individual score.
> 2. There are still two races this week that have people going to the
> race. Fingerlakes is also closed but vineland is open. I know of two
> teams that have people going to vineland. Next year I think we are
> going to cancel vineland because it is too far away and only have
> fingerlakes.
> 3. I am thinking of the conference in the future years. I personally
> want to have people know that the more races your team goes to is better
> than just going to one or two. If people see one team excel because
> they went to more races then that is better for them.
> 4. Mighty man is worth double points and the winning team gets 200
> points rather than 100. Also 20 points will separate the teams rather
> than 10. I think MIT is only bringing two girls and by that they cannot
> score as high. If a team has a full team score (4 male, 4 Female) there
> is opportunity to score several more points. I think Boston University
> and Northeastern have people going to vineland and Syracuse is going to
> fingerlakes. this will boost two schools by 100 and one school by 90.
> Not the ideal situation but it will make the race much tighter going
> into Mightyman.
>
> I am in no way saying that this is the decision but the above is my
> opinion. I would love to see all the teams vote on this issue.
> However, I think the votes should be limited to one vote per team for
> all the teams that have competed or are signed up for Mightyman. This
> vote must occur before Mightyman takes place.
>
> On 9/20/07, *Ian Sullivan* <jayapura1701@...
> <mailto:jayapura1701@...>> wrote:
>
> Hey Brett,
>
> In the spirit of fairness I have to ask if Zane's race is fair to
> count as part of the rankings. The race failed to save collegiate
> spots and sold out quite early. It was sold out to the extent that
> only one person, male or female, from the conference attended the
> race. This clearly benefited MIT in the rankings to a degree which
> is not indicative of the competitiveness of the conference. The
> other men's races averaged 8 participants, Zane's had zero. The
> other two women's races had an average attendance of 8 as well and
> Zane's had one. This seems as though an inequitable to decide a
> large number of points in the series for the teams and individuals
> through a race which other contestants were excluded from.
>
>
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Ian Sullivan
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bret Fortenberry <bret.fortenberry@...
> <mailto:bret.fortenberry@...>>
> To: NECTC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:NECTC@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 7:24:02 PM
> Subject: [NECTC] Point series results are up.
>
> I know this is way over due but the point series points are finally
> up. The race at Mightyman is going to be very interesting.
> The team scores are currently:
> MIT killing everybody with: 270 points
> UVM: 190
> Boston University: 150
> Syracuse: 140
>
> However, MIT's score is based on three and the rest are based on
> two. The way it works is that the top four scores count and
> Mightyman is worth double points. This means any of the other teams
> have a chance to earn an extra 100 points that MIT cannot win. This
> could potentially put one of the other teams either ahead or right
> on MIT's tail going into Mightyman.
>
> To view the point series race go to:
> http://nectc. net/results07/ omnium.php
> <http://nectc.net/results07/omnium.php>
>
>
>
>
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