---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kevin Worley <kevinwor...@...>
Date: Mar 1, 5:41 pm
Subject: Sprint Tournament - Sunday March 7
To: NCVA


The first Hellyer velodrome sprint tournament of the 2010 season is nearly upon
us - this coming Sunday, March 7.

We'll be starting the season with the popular round robin format. Everyone does
a 200 meter time trial for placement and then will race three two ups and one
three up against riders of similar speed - based on the 200m time.

So, warm up will begin at 12 noon (please be respectful of the morning training
groups as they finish their workouts)

The first 200's will go off at 1pm sharp. After all the 200's are completed,
we'll break everyone into groups of six, based on your 200 meter time,  and the
racing will start.
Should end sometime around 4pm.

If you've completed three Saturday beginner sessions, you're eligible to race.
Any questions, just e-mail me back here.

As usual, the racing costs 10 bucks and juniors race for free. There will not be
any rental bikes available.

See ya Sunday,

     Kevin & Anne

What if a _de facto_ center line does not exist and the course is open?

Sometimes the "letter of the law" does not apply. If a situation (e.g. safety)
arises where a motor ref needs to move up and needs to cross should they not do
so? They should not be held to the same rules as a racing group since they are
ostensibly there for the safety of the pack.

I think that an authorized law enforcement officer would do not hesitate
crossing a center line if they needed to so so once they determined it was safe.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, John Licatesi <miovelo@...> wrote:

From: John Licatesi <miovelo@...>
Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Motorefs and Center Lines
To: "Ted Fisher" <fisherwc@...>
Cc: "Ncnca Officials" <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 2:44 PM







 









       The California Vehicle Code takes precedence over anything else regardless
of who is on the road.
 
A motor ref should know to neutralize the pack and instruct them to create a
lane for their safe passage to the right of the center line if the need should
arise, especially if there is a group overtaking another group - I have seen
this done in races before.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Ted Fisher <fisherwc@pacbell. net> wrote:

From: Ted Fisher <fisherwc@pacbell. net>
Subject: [NCNCA] Motorefs and Center Lines
To: "Ncnca Officials" <NCNCA@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 11:45 AM







 







"If you’re a CR,  remind your motor refs that they have to manage the event
within the law and also need to observe centerline for themselves, too!"
 
Comment was made about motos being on the wrong side of the center line while
working with the pack. For myself, crossing the center line was/is always a
question of safety, for both the riders and myself. I would only cross it when I
needed to and more importantly, when it was safe. But to treat the line the way
we expect the riders to do does raise the question; Can a moto be effective if
they can not cross the center line?
 
In our district there are many races held on narrow twisty roads where there
might not be a passing zone for miles, or for almost the entire length of the
event (Patterson RR comes to mind). So, what are your ideas and/or comments on
this. Should the moto be restricted to observing the center line? And if yes,
how should they manage the event?    
 
Ted Fisher

 

What if a _de facto_ center line does not exist and the course is open?

Sometimes the "letter of the law" does not apply. If a situation (e.g. safety) arises where a motor ref needs to move up and needs to cross should they not do so? They should not be held to the same rules as a racing group since they are ostensibly there for the safety of the pack.

I think that an authorized law enforcement officer would do not hesitate crossing a center line if they needed to so so once they determined it was safe.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, John Licatesi <miovelo@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: John Licatesi <miovelo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Motorefs and Center Lines
To: "Ted Fisher" <fisherwc@pacbell.net>
Cc: "Ncnca Officials" <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 2:44 PM

 

The California Vehicle Code takes precedence over anything else regardless of who is on the road.
 
A motor ref should know to neutralize the pack and instruct them to create a lane for their safe passage to the right of the center line if the need should arise, especially if there is a group overtaking another group - I have seen this done in races before.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Ted Fisher <fisherwc@pacbell. net> wrote:

From: Ted Fisher <fisherwc@pacbell. net>
Subject: [NCNCA] Motorefs and Center Lines
To: "Ncnca Officials" <NCNCA@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 11:45 AM

 

"If you’re a CR,  remind your motor refs that they have to manage the event within the law and also need to observe centerline for themselves, too!"
 
Comment was made about motos being on the wrong side of the center line while working with the pack. For myself, crossing the center line was/is always a question of safety, for both the riders and myself. I would only cross it when I needed to and more importantly, when it was safe. But to treat the line the way we expect the riders to do does raise the question; Can a moto be effective if they can not cross the center line?
 
In our district there are many races held on narrow twisty roads where there might not be a passing zone for miles, or for almost the entire length of the event (Patterson RR comes to mind). So, what are your ideas and/or comments on this. Should the moto be restricted to observing the center line? And if yes, how should they manage the event?    
 
Ted Fisher

 

law allows for vehicles to cross the yellow line to pass slower traffic.  don't believe the law changes because the person qualifies as a moto ref for a bicycle race. 

 

the only position i saw a moto in that he had no place being was riding along side the peloton.  we had full course closer..peloton was on right side of road...i wanted to move up on left but couldn't because the moto matched our speed and blocked the left side of road.  moto positioned himself in middle of pack and held his position on inside of turn while we were at a high rate of speed.  not only did he block the left side of road but also took away the back half of peletons line through turn.

 

moto's need to be in back or front...not middle.  if going to pass peloton, be quick about it.  preferably on straights, not through high speed S turns that lead into a lake.

 

other than that,  you guys are doing a fantastic job.  thank you for watching over us.  :)

jay

---

From: Christopher Black <cblackride@aol.com>
To: Tom Luttrell <tomlutt@yahoo.com>
Cc: Ted Fisher <fisherwc@pacbell.net>; John Licatesi <miovelo@yahoo.com>; Ncnca Officials <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>; Dot Abbott <dot.comm@wildblue.net>
Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 6:14:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Motorefs and Center Lines

 

Law enforcement has the authority to violate the vehicle code for enforcement purposes, motor referees do not have the authority to do this. You are required to comply with the vehicle code unless there is a road closure.

Chris Black

Morgan Stanley Smith Barney Cycling Team

San Luis Obispo, CA

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Tom Luttrell <tomlutt@yahoo. com> wrote:

 

What if a _de facto_ center line does not exist and the course is open?

Sometimes the "letter of the law" does not apply. If a situation (e.g. safety) arises where a motor ref needs to move up and needs to cross should they not do so? They should not be held to the same rules as a racing group since they are ostensibly there for the safety of the pack.

I think that an authorized law enforcement officer would do not hesitate crossing a center line if they needed to so so once they determined it was safe.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, John Licatesi <miovelo@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: John Licatesi <miovelo@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Motorefs and Center Lines
To: "Ted Fisher" <fisherwc@pacbell. net>
Cc: "Ncnca Officials" <NCNCA@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 2:44 PM

 

The California Vehicle Code takes precedence over anything else regardless of who is on the road.
 
A motor ref should know to neutralize the pack and instruct them to create a lane for their safe passage to the right of the center line if the need should arise, especially if there is a group overtaking another group - I have seen this done in races before.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Ted Fisher <fisherwc@pacbell. net> wrote:

From: Ted Fisher <fisherwc@pacbell. net>
Subject: [NCNCA] Motorefs and Center Lines
To: "Ncnca Officials" <NCNCA@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 11:45 AM

 

"If you’re a CR,  remind your motor refs that they have to manage the event within the law and also need to observe centerline for themselves, too!"
 
Comment was made about motos being on the wrong side of the center line while working with the pack. For myself, crossing the center line was/is always a question of safety, for both the riders and myself. I would only cross it when I needed to and more importantly, when it was safe. But to treat the line the way we expect the riders to do does raise the question; Can a moto be effective if they can not cross the center line?
 
In our district there are many races held on narrow twisty roads where there might not be a passing zone for miles, or for almost the entire length of the event (Patterson RR comes to mind). So, what are your ideas and/or comments on this. Should the moto be restricted to observing the center line? And if yes, how should they manage the event?    
 
Ted Fisher

Ivan's correct.... that said, when I drive (which is rare) I often cross the
double yellow to increase the buffer to cyclists I pass: a case of safety coming
before the letter of the law (obviously I'm only talking about overlapping the
line by a few feet, and I'm only talking about when there is adequate visibility
that I would be able to react to oncoming traffic).

Even 97% of police do this on 2-lane roads, and the other 3% I have a poor
opinion of.   I've never seen a single one that would wait until it was legal
and safe to pass without crossing a double yellow: they pass one way or another.

I'd proposed an allowance to cross the double-yellow by up to 3 feet when
passing cyclists as long as there was at least 200 feet of visibility ahead in
Joe Simitian's "there outta be a law" contest, but I lost out to a rule
requiring headlights to be on when running windshield wipers.  Still slightly
bitter about that....

So basically I think it would be ill-advised to expect motor refs to never cross
a double yellow.  That said, I recall @ Pine Flat when a ref drove into the
oncoming traffic lane into a blind corner to pass, and there was another pack
coming.   That got ugly.

---------------
21460.  (a) When double parallel solid lines are in place, no person
driving a vehicle shall drive to the left thereof, except as
permitted in this section.
    (b) When the double parallel lines, one of which is broken, are in
place, no person driving a vehicle shall drive to the left thereof,
except as follows:
    (1) That the driver on that side of the roadway in which the
broken line is in place may cross over the double line or drive to
the left thereof when overtaking or passing other vehicles.
    (2) As provided in Section 21460.5.
    (c) Either of the markings as specified in subdivision (a) or (b)
does not prohibit a driver from crossing the marking when (1) turning
to the left at any intersection or into or out of a driveway or
private road, or (2) making a U-turn under the rules governing that
turn, and either of the markings shall be disregarded when authorized
signs have been erected designating offcenter traffic lanes as
permitted under Section 21657.
    (d) Raised pavement markers may be used to simulate painted lines
described in this section when the markers are placed in accordance
with standards established by the Department of Transportation.



21460.5.  (a) The Department of Transportation and local authorities
in their respective jurisdictions may designate a two-way left-turn
lane on a highway. A two-way left-turn lane is a lane near the center
of the highway set aside for use by vehicles making left turns in
both directions from or into the highway.
    (b) Two-way left-turn lanes shall be designated by distinctive
roadway markings consisting of parallel double yellow lines, interior
line dashed and exterior line solid, on each side of the lane. The
Department of Transportation may determine and prescribe standards
and specifications governing length, width, and positioning of the
distinctive pavement markings. All pavement markings designating a
two-way left-turn lane shall conform to the Department of
Transportation's standards and specifications.
    (c) A vehicle shall not be driven in a designated two-way
left-turn lane except when preparing for or making a left turn from
or into a highway or when preparing for or making a U-turn when
otherwise permitted by law, and shall not be driven in that lane for
more than 200 feet while preparing for and making the turn or while
preparing to merge into the adjacent lanes of travel. A left turn or
U-turn shall not be made from any other lane where a two-way
left-turn lane has been designated.
    (d) This section does not prohibit driving across a two-way
left-turn lane.
    (e) Raised pavement markers may be used to simulate the painted
lines described in this section when those markers are placed in
accordance with standards established by the Department of
Transportation.



>
>From: Ivan Poddubnyy <ipoddubny@...>
>
>  >
>>
>
>law does not allow crossing double yellow line, for example. regardless of how
slow the traffic in front of you. there are other cases when law prohibits
crossing yellow line.
>
>
>    --ivan
>
>
> >
>

A message on helmets from the technical director in February:

We have changed our helmet rules for 2010, consolidating a lot of old and
outdated laboratory testing firms. As of this year, there are only three testing
types that count:

* US DOT – motorcycle helmets must be DOT certified
* CPSC – All bicycling helmets used in domestic races (not UCI) must be CPSC
approved and bear the sticker.
* CE 1078 – European helmets with the CE sticker are only allowed in UCI races
on our shores, not for domestic races

Most helmets today are CPSC. Most European helmets also have a variety that is
CPSC approved. However, you might find someone wearing an old helmet that has
one of the older stickers in it, like Snell, Z90, etc. Such a sticker is a good
sign that [it's time] to buy a new helmet, as it means [your] helmet is ancient
and probably not very safe anymore anyway.

There are also some euro helmets that are not approved. A common one is a
Spanish helmet called "Catlike". If in doubt, please check the sticker.

See page 247 here--
http://www.usacycling.org/forms/USAC_rulebook-Appendices.pdf

Daniel is correct in his assumption: I was addressing the case of
solid double-yellow line. You can cross double-yellow line if your
side is broken and there's nothing else indicating that you cannot
cross the line at that particular place, and if you can you do it
safely for the others, and if you won't go above speed limit while
passing (but this is slightly different subject) ;).

     --ivan

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 05:34, Daniel Connelly <djconnel@...> wrote:
>  Well, sure, you can cross a double line if your side is broken  (that's
> 21460(b)(1); there's no 21460(1).  The formatting isn't clear).   I think
> Ivan was addressing solid-double lines.
>
> From: Jay Hahn <rooster4585@...>
> To: Daniel Connelly <djconnel@...>; Ivan Poddubnyy
> <ipoddubny@...>
> Cc: Christopher Black <cblackride@...>; Tom Luttrell
> <tomlutt@...>; Ted Fisher <fisherwc@...>; John Licatesi
> <miovelo@...>; Ncnca Officials <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>; Dot Abbott
> <dot.comm@...>
> Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 10:46:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Motorefs and Center Lines
>
> Ivan is partially correct.  The law does allow us to pass (21460  (1) That
> the driver on that side of the roadway in which the broken line is in place
> may cross over the double line or drive to the left thereof when overtaking
> or passing other vehicles) and (21750.  The driver of a vehicle overtaking
> another vehicle or a bicycle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to
> the left at a safe distance without interfering with the safe operation of
> the overtaken vehicle or bicycle, subject to the limitations and exceptions
> hereinafter stated.) A vehicle can also pass when there is a single broken
> yellow centerline.
>
> With the situation you described, Daniel...can see where that is a problem
> and potentially dangerous. I fully agree that should not take place.
> jay
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Daniel Connelly <djconnel@...>
> To: Ivan Poddubnyy <ipoddubny@...>; Jay Hahn <rooster4585@...>
> Cc: Christopher Black <cblackride@...>; Tom Luttrell
> <tomlutt@...>; Ted Fisher <fisherwc@...>; John Licatesi
> <miovelo@...>; Ncnca Officials <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>; Dot Abbott
> <dot.comm@...>
> Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 8:06:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Motorefs and Center Lines
>
>
>
> Ivan's correct.... that said, when I drive (which is rare) I often cross the
> double yellow to increase the buffer to cyclists I pass: a case of safety
> coming before the letter of the law (obviously I'm only talking about
> overlapping the line by a few feet, and I'm only talking about when there is
> adequate visibility that I would be able to react to oncoming traffic).
>
> Even 97% of police do this on 2-lane roads, and the other 3% I have a poor
> opinion of. I've never seen a single one that would wait until it was legal
> and safe to pass without crossing a double yellow: they pass one way or
> another.
>
> I'd proposed an allowance to cross the double-yellow by up to 3 feet when
> passing cyclists as long as there was at least 200 feet of visibility ahead
> in Joe Simitian's "there outta be a law" contest, but I lost out to a rule
> requiring headlights to be on when running windshield wipers. Still slightly
> bitter about that....
>
> So basically I think it would be ill-advised to expect motor refs to never
> cross a double yellow. That said, I recall @ Pine Flat when a ref drove into
> the oncoming traffic lane into a blind corner to pass, and there was another
> pack coming. That got ugly.
>
> ------------ ---
> 21460. (a) When double parallel solid lines are in place, no person
> driving a vehicle shall drive to the left thereof, except as
> permitted in this section.
> (b) When the double parallel lines, one of which is broken, are in
> place, no person driving a vehicle shall drive to the left thereof,
> except as follows:
> (1) That the driver on that side of the roadway in which the
> broken line is in place may cross over the double line or drive to
> the left thereof when overtaking or passing other vehicles.
> (2) As provided in Section 21460.5.
> (c) Either of the markings as specified in subdivision (a) or (b)
> does not prohibit a driver from crossing the marking when (1) turning
> to the left at any intersection or into or out of a driveway or
> private road, or (2) making a U-turn under the rules governing that
> turn, and either of the markings shall be disregarded when authorized
> signs have been erected designating offcenter traffic lanes as
> permitted under Section 21657.
> (d) Raised pavement markers may be used to simulate painted lines
> described in this section when the markers are placed in accordance
> with standards established by the Department of Transportation.
>
>
>

Guys/Gals,

Although this is an interesting topic this list can easily get into a lengthy
discussion concerning any given topic as we saw with the Cat 5 topic.  Please
remember that every post here results in an e-mail pushed to over 600 people. 
Perhaps this group can be best used for informational items mainly and not
lengthy discussion.

This is probably a topic that should be discussed on the forum.  I am also going
to suggest that Ryan Fu take this up (perhaps in a committee) as a safety
concern.  Certainly there should be clear guidelines for moto refs that take all
factors into consideration (closed course, California Law, safety).

Thanks,
Bill

USA Cycling has announced that the Salinas Junior Development Criterium on
March 21 will be a part of the Lance Armstrong Junior Road Series for
2010.  LAJRS events are top Junior road events throughout the United
States.

The Salinas Junior Development Criterium is the second event in a “Junior”
weekend of racing.  On Saturday, March 20, will be the Gran Prix Fast
Freddy Markham Junior Development Track Race at the Hellyer Park Velodrome
in San Jose, with races Junior riders only.

“This is an honor which will make a good race into an even better race”
said Eric Petersen, Race Director for both events.  “We’ve already got a
good course in a community which supports the event, and this will help
attract more and better competitors.”

On-line registration is currently open for the criterium through
SportsBase OnLine.  Further information can be found on the web site for
Grass Roots Cycling, www.GrassRootsCycling.net.

The race is promoted by two of the oldest clubs involved in Northern
California racing, Pedali Alpini and Garden City Cyclists.

I have just secured approval from the University and the USAC and we are a GO!
The first clinic is only a few weeks away!

Also, the pricing for this combined skill and tactical clinic is the same as
taking only one clinic from last year!



Racing Skills Fundamentals and Tactics



Location: CSU Hayward





Time: 9am-2pm





Dates: All Sundays - 3/28, 5/9, 7/11, 8/22





This five hour, on-bike clinic will focus on sharpening your racing skills,
making you more comfortable in the peloton with your bike handling and tactical
knowledge. The end result is you get faster!



You will learn how to work effective pacelinesand the art of a team paceline -
the key to winning in 2010. You will sharpen your cornering techniques with
basic and advanced cornering techniques, learn how to take the bumping in stride
and how to recover from wheel touching—all elements of becoming an accomplished
racer. You will come out of this clinic with the confidence needed to handle
most racing situations and to also learn how to be a team player by protecting
your team leader, setting up with your team for a finish, corner or hill. You
will learn how to make a successful attack, blocking for your team and small
group situations

NOTE: Category upgrade: 5 to 4 = 4 race experiences, 4 to 3 = 2 points



Cost: $107. A One-Day License can purchased for $5 at the Clinic site.

TO REGISTER: http://www.cyclingsystems.com/2010-CLINICS.html




Regardless of your teammate's fitness level, they can each be a contribution to
your team. They can now be a "conductor" and drive your train. With these proven
tactical moves—all it takes is a team. Individuals can also learn from this and
make it work to their advantage instead of going with every move up the road.
You do not have to be part of a team to learn what it takes to read a race and
come out the victor. Use others to your own advantage!

I look forward to working with you!
_________________
Alan Atha
USA Cycling Level 1 Coach
NCNCA Men's Category 5 Mentor Coordinator 2008/09/10
ACE Certified Personal Trainer
Coach, CYCLING SYSTEMS
www.fundamentaltrainingcenter.blogspot.com
www.cyclingsystems.com
415-328-1373