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#1688

From: Rcutt555@...
Date: Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Menlo Park Grand Prix results

Lorri...no question your results were perfect and placement of the transponder does matter (for the top 10 finishers). My point is not about the MPGP or your results, it's about improving the over all "experience" of bike racing. Using what's available to improve a good product and make it a better one.

Every lap matters to someone, if the data is available, why not share it and grow the bike racing experience? Not all interested parties make it to the actual races.

RO

From: "velogirls2002" <Lorri@...>

Sender: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com

Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:32:39 -0000

To: <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [NCNCA] Re: Menlo Park Grand Prix results

Thanks, Robert! Of course, we all know the only lap that really matters is the last lap.

There are serious challenges with chip timing and criteriums. Mainly, the placement of the chip is crucial. USAC rules state that the winner is the frontal plane of the wheel/tire that crosses the line first. Since chip timing is not positioned on the wheel, there would be variances based on placement, fork rake, wheel size, etc. Our officials did a great job the old-fashioned way: eyeballs and video cameras. We didn't have a single protest of results all day.

Lorri

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Rcutt555@... wrote:
>
> Thanks Lorri for the MPGP! Sounds like your race was a huge success, congrats to the entire Velo Girls organization!
>
> With regard to all the excellent mobile technology...if the NCNCA does EVENTUALLY incorporate "chip timing" or transponders to score our races, with the currently available mobil technology, we would be able to view on the web (in real time) the position of every racer for every lap as they cross the start finish line. (Auto racing has had this technology in place for 15 years).
>
> Come on NCNCA...step into the 90's at the minimum.
>
> RO
> Ps...Congrats again Lorri!
>

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#1689

From: Rcutt555@...
Date: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Menlo Park Grand Prix results

Soni..."Safety Committee"? How we score races should have zero bearing on how racers conduct themselves while racing. The racers will take risks (or not) based on their own set of standards, not on whether we use manual labor, a camera or an electronic devise attached to a bicycle.

If a racer, his/her teammates, an un attending coach or family member could track an individual or complete team for every lap, that would enhance the bike racing experience (immensely?). That's some of the benefit of technology.
From a safety stand point, maybe the afforded data collected could be used to make races safer? And to help identify the problem racers or unsafe situations/conditions?

Embrace?
RO

From: soni andreini poulsen <conejotoo@...>

Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:04:27 -0700

To: <rcutt555@...>

Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Re: Menlo Park Grand Prix results

Last year the safety committee looked into chip timing for criteriums and were very much against it due to the requirements of the systems we had seen to narrow the finish of criteriums. Didn't appear to us that the benefits were at all worth the risks.

Soni

To: lorri@...; NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
From: Rcutt555@...
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:47:05 +0000
Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Re: Menlo Park Grand Prix results

Lorri...no question your results were perfect and placement of the transponder does matter (for the top 10 finishers). My point is not about the MPGP or your results, it's about improving the over all "experience" of bike racing. Using what's available to improve a good product and make it a better one.

Every lap matters to someone, if the data is available, why not share it and grow the bike racing experience? Not all interested parties make it to the actual races.

RO

From: "velogirls2002" <Lorri@...>

Sender: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com

Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:32:39 -0000

To: <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [NCNCA] Re: Menlo Park Grand Prix results

Thanks, Robert! Of course, we all know the only lap that really matters is the last lap.

There are serious challenges with chip timing and criteriums. Mainly, the placement of the chip is crucial. USAC rules state that the winner is the frontal plane of the wheel/tire that crosses the line first. Since chip timing is not positioned on the wheel, there would be variances based on placement, fork rake, wheel size, etc. Our officials did a great job the old-fashioned way: eyeballs and video cameras. We didn't have a single protest of results all day.

Lorri

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Rcutt555@... wrote:
>
> Thanks Lorri for the MPGP! Sounds like your race was a huge success, congrats to the entire Velo Girls organization!
>
> With regard to all the excellent mobile technology...if the NCNCA does EVENTUALLY incorporate "chip timing" or transponders to score our races, with the currently available mobil technology, we would be able to view on the web (in real time) the position of every racer for every lap as they cross the start finish line. (Auto racing has had this technology in place for 15 years).
>
> Come on NCNCA...step into the 90's at the minimum.
>
> RO
> Ps...Congrats again Lorri!
>

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#1690

From: "rhondaserr" <rhondaserr@...>
Date: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:02 pm
Subject: wheels at Easter Sunday Classic

I placed my Folcrum racing wheels in the pit during the Men's P/1/2 race on
Sunday for my women's 1/2/3 race.  They were missing prior to the start of the
women's 3 race.  There were some wheels that were left in the pit so I'm hoping
my wheels were grabbed on mistake.  They have Pro Slick tires on them.

I live in Reno, but will be at Wente on Saturday.  Please check your wheels and
make sure you grabbed the right ones.  It could've been any of the Men's 1/2,
Masters, or Women's 1/2/3 that grabbed them.  Thanks!

Rhonda Serr

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#1691

From: "Ron" <zronn@...>
Date: Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:24 pm
Subject: Re: Menlo Park Grand Prix results

I will share what I saw from last year's Masters Crit Champs.
This is just purely data for purpose of accuracy in the arguments of both sides
of the issue.

Yes, we did have to reduce the width of the finish line.
However, from the announcer's perch I did not see that this was an inherent
danger. There was a crash near the finish on the last lap of 1 of the races. 1!
That crash was caused by riders and not barricades or finish line width. The
barricades were in the same place every lap, they didn't move.
To point, we expanded the P/1/2/3 field limit on the day to 120 on the request
of the riders. ALL 120 riders made it through the finishing shoot without any
issue.
The argument of there being a safety issue really doesn't have any teeth.

Application in a crit:
While I also think it would be extremely cool to have lap data broadcast in real
time to a website for spectators and teammates, I did not see the chip timing
system add anything to the results. In fact, the Finish Lynx camera provided all
of the results and was extremely accurate.

The net/net here is that the test provided two very clear facts/conclusions.
1. Did not help with results in that specific race format and chip timing would
not really add any benefit to cirteriums (save for multiple fields being picked
separately).
2. In and of itself, did not create a safety hazard.

Note: Even if we had not used the chip timing system, we still would have needed
to narrow the finish line in the same way. It was not the chip timing system
that forced the narrowing, it was the camera and the finish line arch.

Warren makes a good point. We need someone to run the thing.
Not sure what the solution is there.

Ron

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Rcutt555@... wrote:
>
> Soni..."Safety Committee"?  How we score races should have zero bearing on how
racers conduct themselves while racing. The racers will take risks (or not)
based on their own set of standards, not on whether we use manual labor, a
camera or an electronic devise attached to a bicycle.
>
> If a racer, his/her teammates, an un attending coach or family member could
track an individual or complete team for every lap, that would enhance the bike
racing experience (immensely?). That's some of the benefit of technology.
> From a safety stand point, maybe the afforded data collected could be used to
make races safer?  And to help identify the problem racers or unsafe
situations/conditions?
>
> Embrace?
> RO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: soni andreini poulsen <conejotoo@...>
> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:04:27
> To: <rcutt555@...>
> Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Re: Menlo Park Grand Prix results
>
>
> Last year the safety committee looked into chip timing for criteriums and were
very much against it due to the requirements of the systems we had seen to
narrow the finish of criteriums.  Didn't appear to us that the benefits were at
all worth the risks.
>
> Soni
>
>
>
> To: lorri@...; NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
> From: Rcutt555@...
> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:47:05 +0000
> Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Re: Menlo Park Grand Prix results
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Lorri...no question your results were perfect and placement of the transponder
does matter (for the top 10 finishers). My point is not about the MPGP or your
results, it's about improving the over all "experience" of bike racing. Using
what's available to improve a good product and make it a better one.
>
> Every lap matters to someone, if the data is available, why not share it and
grow the bike racing experience? Not all interested parties make it to the
actual races.
>
> RO
>
>
>
> From: "velogirls2002" <Lorri@...>
> Sender: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:32:39 -0000
> To: <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [NCNCA] Re: Menlo Park Grand Prix results
>
>
>
> Thanks, Robert! Of course, we all know the only lap that really matters is the
last lap.
>
> There are serious challenges with chip timing and criteriums. Mainly, the
placement of the chip is crucial. USAC rules state that the winner is the
frontal plane of the wheel/tire that crosses the line first. Since chip timing
is not positioned on the wheel, there would be variances based on placement,
fork rake, wheel size, etc. Our officials did a great job the old-fashioned way:
eyeballs and video cameras. We didn't have a single protest of results all day.
>
> Lorri
>
> --- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Rcutt555@ wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Lorri for the MPGP! Sounds like your race was a huge success,
congrats to the entire Velo Girls organization!
> >
> > With regard to all the excellent mobile technology...if the NCNCA does
EVENTUALLY incorporate "chip timing" or transponders to score our races, with
the currently available mobil technology, we would be able to view on the web
(in real time) the position of every racer for every lap as they cross the start
finish line. (Auto racing has had this technology in place for 15 years).
> >
> > Come on NCNCA...step into the 90's at the minimum.
> >
> > RO
> > Ps...Congrats again Lorri!
> >
>

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#1692

From: "tb_in_sf" <tadborek@...>
Date: Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: Timing system, etc - meeting tonite

If anyone's interested in joining, the monthly NCNCA meeting is tonite and you
can get involved with all of this stuff - on the agenda are next steps with the
timing system and the Safety Committee. See a few messages ago for the meeting
time/location (San Jose area). I'll post something later in the week about both.

Best,
Tad

NCNCA VP & BOD
(+ inherited the Safety Committee)

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <zronn@...> wrote:
>
>

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#1693

From: Phyllis Olrich <phylliso1@...>
Date: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:07 pm
Subject: Kern! Sign up now!

Ladies,

Please consider signing up for the Kern County Women's Stage Race, May 13-15. 4 races in 3 days. I've done this race at least a dozen times and it is a wonderful experience. You will never be the same -- it'll bump up your fitness and you will form deep new friendships. Reg numbers are low this year, so hurry. We don't want this classic event to be canceled due to low registration. Here's the link:

http://events.sportsbaseonline.com/KERNWOMENSSR2011/

Thanks,

Phyllis

Phyllis Olrich
530.863.3320
phylliso1@...

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#1694

From: "Gordon, Barry" <bgordon@...>
Date: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:42 pm
Subject: Mike's Bikes Cat's Hill Countdown

Please keep this classic event on the race schedule and pre-register today!

http://events.sportsbaseonline.com/CATSHILL2011/

Thanks!

Los Gatos Bicycle Racing Club

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#1695

From: "markskriv" <skriv7@...>
Date: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:06 pm
Subject: Taleo Criterium - $22! Discounted pricing today, goes up $1 on Wednesdays!

REMINDER: Take advantage of our early buyer discount prices, $22 today (Tuesday) increases to $23 tomorrow and $1/week on Wednesdays.

______________
The Taleo Criterium is Sunday June 12 . The race returns to the great downtown course we had the last time, running along First Street in a double box, 8-corner course, 6 right hand and 2 left hand turns.

This year we're trying out a new pricing scheme, early buyer discount pricing, in order to bring you affordable and local racing. The price is now JUST $22! Each Wednesday the price will add $1, up to $28 (still not a bad price), and a late charge of $10 to this for day of entries. Additional races always $10.

Links:
Registration - http://events.sportsbaseonline.com/TALEOCRITERIUM2011/register
Flier - https://sboresources.s3.amazonaws.com/flyer-docs/taleocrit2011.pdf
Course map - http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie-UTF8&msa=0&msid=213237006729035001731.000467b24246498c98689&ll=38.050719,-122.157208&spn=0.004596,0.011362&z=17

Thank you,
Mark Skrivanich, Taleo Racing
Carlos Soto, Taleo Racing

For questions, please contact:
Peter Van Slyke, promoter
pebv@...

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#1696

From: Ted Fisher <fisherwc@...>
Date: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:28 pm
Subject: Identify Wheels.

More and more often you see a notice that someone has picked up the wrong wheels. A very easy way to quickly identy wheels is too put a couple of those address labels we all get in the mail on the rim. One on the outside for the "Yep, those are mine" moment. And one on the inside under the rim strip, for the, "Officier, will you ask them to explain how my address is under the rim strip on THEIR wheels" moment. Works every time. (BTW, it helps if you are running transparent rim strips).

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#1697

From: "Steve Rosefield" <steve_rosefield@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:01 pm
Subject: Tri Valley Velo Criterium p/b PG&E DOUBLES total prize package! Saturday, May 7

steve_rosefield

Yep, we did it again!  Thanks to the generous support of our sponsors we have
now more than doubled the total advertised prize package!

The sun is out!  Time to race!

1) Eleven races to choose from

2) Additional races only $10

3) Separate Cat 5 and W4 fields

4) Early afternoon P/1/2 and Women P/1/2/3 races
Free Kids' Race at noon (sorry about the early flyer error) � Medals for all!

5) Free raffle for all kids entering the noon race � lots of prizes including a
new bike!

6) Mechanical support on site by the pros from Endless Cycles

7) Easy access parking in a paved lot

8) A great venue for spectators!

For registration or additional information please visit this link:
https://www.sportsbaseonline.com/events/index.xhtml?categoryId=37263&conversatio\
nId=11472

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#1698

From: Ken Hernandez <kenhernandez52@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:53 pm
Subject: Wente Vineyards Road Race and Criterium

Registration for the Wente Vineyards Road Race and Criterium will be open until tonight at 11:59 PM at SportsBaseOnline.

Wente Vineyards Road Race

http://events.sportsbaseonline.com/WENTERR2011/register

Wente Vineyrads Criterium

http://events.sportsbaseonline.com/WENTECRIT2011/register

Ken Hernandez

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#1699

From: Larry Nolan <teamnolan@...>
Date: Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:51 pm
Subject: The Early Birds taught us these two important lessons...

The Early Bird Criterium Training Series taught us these two important lessons...

1) "courses for horses"
and
2) "train your sprint"

This coming weekend will see many racers at the Wente road race and criterium, and the Auburn criterium. I wanted to take a minute to express my opinion and then circle back to the two lessons we talk about at the EB's.

In my years of racing at Wente it still amazes me to see and hear the "24 hour swing". On Saturday you will see racers come across the uphill finish line in small groups. Shortly after they catch their breath they will talk about the course, the competition and generally be satisfied with their effort -and- their finish... even if they place in the last half of their field, they knew that they gave it their best. The Wente Road Race course is like that. Challenging to win as it is not a purely climbers race, nor is it a sprinters race. It's a great course for exciting tactics to be played out, and with 1500 feet of climbing per lap it takes a big effort just to finish, let alone compete.

Less than 24 hours later many more racers line up for the Wente criterium. This course has a reputation of a crashfest! Last year the promoters had two ambulances in the ready. Contrast to the road race where I didn't hear of one crash, the criterium has many crashes not because of the promoters, but because of the racers. The beginning of each race will be animated with attacks and counter-attacks and the speed will be high. Mid-way through the race you'll realize that no one can hold off a field of riders hungry for a field sprint and the attacking dies down. The jostling for positioning starts to heat up as you see the lap cards count down. One to go and EVERY racer in the field thinks that they can win this race! If, they can just follow the right wheel and unleash their sprint at the right time. Not too much time in the wind, there, that's a good wheel. With few riders willing to sacrifice their race for their teammates, or for the good of the pack, an accident will happen.

Wente Crit advise: Even tho this course is too easy for anything but a field sprint, go ahead and get your workout in. Attack off the front. Bridge to a breakaway without bringing the whole field to you. Try to contribute to the breakaway when you get there instead of poisoning it! Go for a prime and see how your sprint compares to your competitors -and- then either dedicate your race to a teammate, friend or for the good of the race and lead it out or slink to the back. Those are easy choices as you read this, but can you think that clearly when you are racing?

Team Specialized will be racing the Wente Road Race and the Auburn Criterium. It's always a treat to race in a downtown venue. Merced, Santa Cruz, Los Gatos, Burlingame, Nevada City, Davis, San Rafael, San Francisco, Pittsburg and Auburn. City street racing!

Courses for horses - connect with your teammates and talk about the upcoming races "this is a good one for you because...", "for this one I suggest..." Only one person will win each of the Wente Road Race classes but LOTS of racers will feel good about their efforts. Wente Crit has field sprint written all over it. Auburn looks to be another great downtown venue!

Train your sprint - if you have not been practicing your sprint then get out of the way! If you are working on your sprint and you can't beat half your training partners, then please don't sprint.

Be safe and have fun this weekend. Larry Nolan, Early Bird Coach/ Team Specialized Director

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#1700

From: "Robert Leibold" <velopro1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:19 am
Subject: Kern Women's Stage Race

With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
Yours in hope,
---Robert Leibold

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#1701

From: Lisa Hern <lisa.hern@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:23 am
Subject: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Ladies,

There is no better women's stage race, particularly for Cat 3 and Cat 4 racers. Please consider doing this race! Carpool with people from other teams! It's a real gem and would be a shame to lose this stage race from the calendar, especially when there are so many crits already!

Lisa

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:19 PM, "Robert Leibold" <velopro1@...> wrote:

With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
Yours in hope,
---Robert Leibold

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#1702

From: Lisa Hunt <lisahhunt@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:39 am
Subject: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

As a 10 year veteran of Kern County, I would encourage all women in California to do this stage race. There is no race quite like it and every single woman is treated like royalty! No other promoter in the country puts on a women's only stage race. The courses are outstanding and the post race awards ceremony is not to be missed!

Lisa Hunt

Manager/Director Sportif

Team TIBCO/To the Top

e: lisahhunt@...

p: 415.250.2187

www.teamtibco.com

On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Lisa Hern wrote:

Ladies,
There is no better women's stage race, particularly for Cat 3 and Cat 4 racers. Please consider doing this race! Carpool with people from other teams! It's a real gem and would be a shame to lose this stage race from the calendar, especially when there are so many crits already!

Lisa

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:19 PM, "Robert Leibold" <velopro1@...> wrote:

With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
Yours in hope,
---Robert Leibold

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#1703

From: Phyllis Olrich <phylliso1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:13 am
Subject: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

I second that emotion!

Robert puts his heart and soul into this race. Where else will you be serenaded by clarinet as you suffer up a tortuous hill climb? Where else will you receive hand-made one-of-a-kind awards? No where else! It's KERN OR BUST! Come on ladies!

Phyllis Olrich

On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Lisa Hunt wrote:

As a 10 year veteran of Kern County, I would encourage all women in California to do this stage race. There is no race quite like it and every single woman is treated like royalty! No other promoter in the country puts on a women's only stage race. The courses are outstanding and the post race awards ceremony is not to be missed!

Lisa Hunt
Manager/Director Sportif
Team TIBCO/To the Top
e: lisahhunt@...
p: 415.250.2187
www.teamtibco.com
On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Lisa Hern wrote:

Ladies,
There is no better women's stage race, particularly for Cat 3 and Cat 4 racers. Please consider doing this race! Carpool with people from other teams! It's a real gem and would be a shame to lose this stage race from the calendar, especially when there are so many crits already!

Lisa

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:19 PM, "Robert Leibold" <velopro1@...> wrote:

With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
Yours in hope,
---Robert Leibold

Phyllis Olrich
530.863.3320
phylliso1@...

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#1704

From: Chris Black <cblackride@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:35 pm
Subject: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

I am not sure it is other races that are the cause of low pre-reg. This Sunday is the Dana Point GP in SoCal. While it is not an NRC event for the women (it is for the men) there is a $2000.00 prize list for Women 1,2. There are only 28 riders pre-registered for this event. Joe Martin Stage Race next weekend is an NRC for the women, and there are only 43 women registered for this event (Redlands had over 100). I wonder if the economy is starting to have an effect on bicycle racing?

Chris Black

Morgan Stanley Smith Barney/Specialized Cycling Team

San Luis Obispo, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Leibold <velopro1@...>
To: NCNCA <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm
Subject: [NCNCA] Kern Women's Stage Race

With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
Yours in hope,
---Robert Leibold

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#1705

From: "Ron" <zronn@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Probably a combination of several factors.
Location location location.
Bakersfield is a long way away, and gas prices make the trip very expensive.

Not sure why the Women's stage race has to be in Kern County.
Don't we have enough roads in Nor Cal that a Women's stage race could be done a
bit closer to the base?

It would seem that the underlying communication here is that it is time to make
some changes to things that have been status quo for a long time. Changing it up
a bit would bring some new excitement. I think we have gotten to a point were
doing the same thing, in the same way, just because that is how we have always
done it, is a model that doesn't work anymore.

People love stage races, but people also have limited budgets for racing. Travel
expenses are a factor that promoters might want to take into consideration when
choosing a course.

Not food for debate, just food for thought.

Ron

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Chris Black <cblackride@...> wrote:
>
> I am not sure it is other races that are the cause of low pre-reg. This Sunday
is the Dana Point GP in SoCal. While it is not an NRC event for the women (it is
for the men) there is a $2000.00 prize list for Women 1,2. There are only 28
riders pre-registered for this event. Joe Martin Stage Race next weekend is an
NRC for the women, and there are only 43 women registered for this event
(Redlands had over 100). I wonder if the economy is starting to have an effect
on bicycle racing?
>
>
> Chris Black
> Morgan Stanley Smith Barney/Specialized Cycling Team
> San Luis Obispo, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Leibold <velopro1@...>
> To: NCNCA <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm
> Subject: [NCNCA] Kern Women's Stage Race
>
>
>
>
>
>
> With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern
County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone
(in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in
deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries.
With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps
too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered
should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and
all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO
charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any
case, after attempting a better date?
> Yours in hope,
> ---Robert Leibold
>

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#1706

From: "Morgan, Cathy L." <clm@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:36 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Perhaps an actual woman should respond?

Robert, I had actually planned to do Kern this year after not being able to last year due to knee surgery, but in the past 6 weeks my work has exploded and (1) I can't get away right now and (2) even if I could, working 10-11 hours/day doesn't leave a lot of time on the bike. Like I said last weekend at Menlo Park, I have 20 minute fitness right now, not 40 minute and definitely not 3 days worth.

So I really would like to do this race in the future! I'm just sorry that it doesn't fit into my schedule this year.

Regards,
clm

Cathy L. Morgan
415.983.1150 | Tie-line: 573-1150
clm@...

From: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NCNCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Probably a combination of several factors.
Location location location.
Bakersfield is a long way away, and gas prices make the trip very expensive.

Not sure why the Women's stage race has to be in Kern County.
Don't we have enough roads in Nor Cal that a Women's stage race could be done a bit closer to the base?

It would seem that the underlying communication here is that it is time to make some changes to things that have been status quo for a long time. Changing it up a bit would bring some new excitement. I think we have gotten to a point were doing the same thing, in the same way, just because that is how we have always done it, is a model that doesn't work anymore.

People love stage races, but people also have limited budgets for racing. Travel expenses are a factor that promoters might want to take into consideration when choosing a course.

Not food for debate, just food for thought.

Ron

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Chris Black <cblackride@...> wrote:
>
> I am not sure it is other races that are the cause of low pre-reg. This Sunday is the Dana Point GP in SoCal. While it is not an NRC event for the women (it is for the men) there is a $2000.00 prize list for Women 1,2. There are only 28 riders pre-registered for this event. Joe Martin Stage Race next weekend is an NRC for the women, and there are only 43 women registered for this event (Redlands had over 100). I wonder if the economy is starting to have an effect on bicycle racing?
>
>
> Chris Black
> Morgan Stanley Smith Barney/Specialized Cycling Team
> San Luis Obispo, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Leibold <velopro1@...>
> To: NCNCA <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm
> Subject: [NCNCA] Kern Women's Stage Race
>
>
>
>
>
>
> With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
> Yours in hope,
> ---Robert Leibold
>

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#1707

From: Mary Ellen Allen <meallen@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:40 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Thanks, Cathy - I will weigh in. I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to do this women's stage race - if it were not in Kern County/Bakersfield - too far and often too hot.

MEA

Mary Ellen Allen

Senior Corporate Counsel

Healthcare Law Group

Genentech, Inc.

1 DNA Way

Bldg. 33, M/S 49

South San Francisco, CA 94080

650.467.0089 (phone)

650.952.9881 (fax)

From: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NCNCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Morgan, Cathy L.
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:36 AM
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Perhaps an actual woman should respond?

Robert, I had actually planned to do Kern this year after not being able to last year due to knee surgery, but in the past 6 weeks my work has exploded and (1) I can't get away right now and (2) even if I could, working 10-11 hours/day doesn't leave a lot of time on the bike. Like I said last weekend at Menlo Park, I have 20 minute fitness right now, not 40 minute and definitely not 3 days worth.

So I really would like to do this race in the future! I'm just sorry that it doesn't fit into my schedule this year.

Regards,
clm

Cathy L. Morgan
415.983.1150 | Tie-line: 573-1150
clm@...

From: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NCNCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Probably a combination of several factors.
Location location location.
Bakersfield is a long way away, and gas prices make the trip very expensive.

Not sure why the Women's stage race has to be in Kern County.
Don't we have enough roads in Nor Cal that a Women's stage race could be done a bit closer to the base?

It would seem that the underlying communication here is that it is time to make some changes to things that have been status quo for a long time. Changing it up a bit would bring some new excitement. I think we have gotten to a point were doing the same thing, in the same way, just because that is how we have always done it, is a model that doesn't work anymore.

People love stage races, but people also have limited budgets for racing. Travel expenses are a factor that promoters might want to take into consideration when choosing a course.

Not food for debate, just food for thought.

Ron

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Chris Black <cblackride@...> wrote:
>
> I am not sure it is other races that are the cause of low pre-reg. This Sunday is the Dana Point GP in SoCal. While it is not an NRC event for the women (it is for the men) there is a $2000.00 prize list for Women 1,2. There are only 28 riders pre-registered for this event. Joe Martin Stage Race next weekend is an NRC for the women, and there are only 43 women registered for this event (Redlands had over 100). I wonder if the economy is starting to have an effect on bicycle racing?
>
>
> Chris Black
> Morgan Stanley Smith Barney/Specialized Cycling Team
> San Luis Obispo, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Leibold <velopro1@...>
> To: NCNCA <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm
> Subject: [NCNCA] Kern Women's Stage Race
>
>
>
>
>
>
> With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
> Yours in hope,
> ---Robert Leibold
>

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#1708

From: Anne Findlay <amfindlay@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

this was my favorite event last year and I am spreading the word as far as possible.�� When Bob sent out an email asking for how to improve it, I really couldn't think of anything.� Take out the hill climb? I'm not a climber but even I would hate to see it go.� It is one of the best things I did for my fitness and sense of belonging to the racing community last year.�� The location is far for many but is perfect for this event.� You can't just replace the kind and generous people who open up their private property for a group of women to gather before a race.�� And the courses offer both flat and more hilly/rolling terrain, so it's not just a race for climbers.� I really hope we can bring the #s up!
-anne

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Morgan, Cathy L. <clm@...> wrote:

�

Perhaps an actual woman should respond?

�

Robert, I had actually planned to do Kern this year after not being able to last�year due to knee surgery,�but in the past 6 weeks my work has exploded and (1) I can't get away right now and (2) even if I could, working 10-11 hours/day doesn't leave a lot of time on the bike.� Like I said last weekend at Menlo Park, I have 20 minute fitness right now, not 40 minute and definitely not 3 days worth.�

�

So I really would like to do this race in the future!� I'm just sorry that it doesn't fit into my schedule this year.

Regards,
clm

Cathy L. Morgan
415.983.1150 | Tie-line: 573-1150
clm@...

�

From: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NCNCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

�

Probably a combination of several factors.
Location location location.
Bakersfield is a long way away, and gas prices make the trip very expensive.

Not sure why the Women's stage race has to be in Kern County.
Don't we have enough roads in Nor Cal that a Women's stage race could be done a bit closer to the base?

It would seem that the underlying communication here is that it is time to make some changes to things that have been status quo for a long time. Changing it up a bit would bring some new excitement. I think we have gotten to a point were doing the same thing, in the same way, just because that is how we have always done it, is a model that doesn't work anymore.

People love stage races, but people also have limited budgets for racing. Travel expenses are a factor that promoters might want to take into consideration when choosing a course.

Not food for debate, just food for thought.

Ron

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Chris Black <cblackride@...> wrote:
>
> I am not sure it is other races that are the cause of low pre-reg. This Sunday is the Dana Point GP in SoCal. While it is not an NRC event for the women (it is for the men) there is a $2000.00 prize list for Women 1,2. There are only 28 riders pre-registered for this event. Joe Martin Stage Race next weekend is an NRC for the women, and there are only 43 women registered for this event (Redlands had over 100). I wonder if the economy is starting to have an effect on bicycle racing?
>
>
> Chris Black
> Morgan Stanley Smith Barney/Specialized Cycling Team
> San Luis Obispo, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Leibold <velopro1@...>
> To: NCNCA <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm
> Subject: [NCNCA] Kern Women's Stage Race
>
>
>
>
>
>
> With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
> Yours in hope,
> ---Robert Leibold
>

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#1709

From: soni andreini poulsen <conejotoo@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:17 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

sandreinipou...

This is a GREAT stage race. There is nothing else like it in our area. Nothing the men does compares to this in difficulty (ask any man who has come to and supported Kern--this statement comes from talking to them). We all owe Robert Leibold endless thanks for giving us this opportunity.

However, I agree that its attendance is hurt by its location as far as distance and often, unbearable, heat. This information has been given to Robert in the past, and for reasons not known to me (although I assume scheduling, course availability, etc), it continues without change.

Soni

To: clm@...; NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
From: meallen@...
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:40:09 -0700
Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Thanks, Cathy - I will weigh in. I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to do this women's stage race - if it were not in Kern County/Bakersfield - too far and often too hot.

MEA

Mary Ellen Allen

Senior Corporate Counsel

Healthcare Law Group

Genentech, Inc.

1 DNA Way

Bldg. 33, M/S 49

South San Francisco, CA 94080

650.467.0089 (phone)

650.952.9881 (fax)

From: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NCNCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Morgan, Cathy L.
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:36 AM
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Perhaps an actual woman should respond?

Robert, I had actually planned to do Kern this year after not being able to last year due to knee surgery, but in the past 6 weeks my work has exploded and (1) I can't get away right now and (2) even if I could, working 10-11 hours/day doesn't leave a lot of time on the bike. Like I said last weekend at Menlo Park, I have 20 minute fitness right now, not 40 minute and definitely not 3 days worth.

So I really would like to do this race in the future! I'm just sorry that it doesn't fit into my schedule this year.

Regards,
clm
Cathy L. Morgan
415.983.1150 | Tie-line: 573-1150
clm@...

From: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NCNCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Probably a combination of several factors.
Location location location.
Bakersfield is a long way away, and gas prices make the trip very expensive.

Not sure why the Women's stage race has to be in Kern County.
Don't we have enough roads in Nor Cal that a Women's stage race could be done a bit closer to the base?

It would seem that the underlying communication here is that it is time to make some changes to things that have been status quo for a long time. Changing it up a bit would bring some new excitement. I think we have gotten to a point were doing the same thing, in the same way, just because that is how we have always done it, is a model that doesn't work anymore.

People love stage races, but people also have limited budgets for racing. Travel expenses are a factor that promoters might want to take into consideration when choosing a course.

Not food for debate, just food for thought.

Ron

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Chris Black <cblackride@...> wrote:
>
> I am not sure it is other races that are the cause of low pre-reg. This Sunday is the Dana Point GP in SoCal. While it is not an NRC event for the women (it is for the men) there is a $2000.00 prize list for Women 1,2. There are only 28 riders pre-registered for this event. Joe Martin Stage Race next weekend is an NRC for the women, and there are only 43 women registered for this event (Redlands had over 100). I wonder if the economy is starting to have an effect on bicycle racing?
>
>
> Chris Black
> Morgan Stanley Smith Barney/Specialized Cycling Team
> San Luis Obispo, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Leibold <velopro1@...>
> To: NCNCA <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm
> Subject: [NCNCA] Kern Women's Stage Race
>
>
>
>
>
>
> With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
> Yours in hope,
> ---Robert Leibold
>

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#1710

From: katrina2u2@...
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Thrilled that women are notating here. First I'd like to say Kern Stage Race wouldn't be Kern absent the location and heat; its extreme is the juice. Having supported once I was so traumatized I vowed I couldn't finish ever. Now I'm on the fence but know I need to check that off my bucket list. Any woman that has not seen or raced Kern will truly miss a legend event

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From: soni andreini poulsen <conejotoo@...>

Sender: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:17:14 -0700

To: <ncnca@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

This is a GREAT stage race. There is nothing else like it in our area. Nothing the men does compares to this in difficulty (ask any man who has come to and supported Kern--this statement comes from talking to them). We all owe Robert Leibold endless thanks for giving us this opportunity.

However, I agree that its attendance is hurt by its location as far as distance and often, unbearable, heat. This information has been given to Robert in the past, and for reasons not known to me (although I assume scheduling, course availability, etc), it continues without change.

Soni

To: clm@...; NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
From: meallen@...
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:40:09 -0700
Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Thanks, Cathy - I will weigh in. I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to do this women's stage race - if it were not in Kern County/Bakersfield - too far and often too hot.

MEA

Mary Ellen Allen

Senior Corporate Counsel

Healthcare Law Group

Genentech, Inc.

1 DNA Way

Bldg. 33, M/S 49

South San Francisco, CA 94080

650.467.0089 (phone)

650.952.9881 (fax)

From: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NCNCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Morgan, Cathy L.
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:36 AM
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Perhaps an actual woman should respond?

Robert, I had actually planned to do Kern this year after not being able to last year due to knee surgery, but in the past 6 weeks my work has exploded and (1) I can't get away right now and (2) even if I could, working 10-11 hours/day doesn't leave a lot of time on the bike. Like I said last weekend at Menlo Park, I have 20 minute fitness right now, not 40 minute and definitely not 3 days worth.

So I really would like to do this race in the future! I'm just sorry that it doesn't fit into my schedule this year.

Regards,
clm
Cathy L. Morgan
415.983.1150 | Tie-line: 573-1150
clm@...

From: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NCNCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Probably a combination of several factors.
Location location location.
Bakersfield is a long way away, and gas prices make the trip very expensive.

Not sure why the Women's stage race has to be in Kern County.
Don't we have enough roads in Nor Cal that a Women's stage race could be done a bit closer to the base?

It would seem that the underlying communication here is that it is time to make some changes to things that have been status quo for a long time. Changing it up a bit would bring some new excitement. I think we have gotten to a point were doing the same thing, in the same way, just because that is how we have always done it, is a model that doesn't work anymore.

People love stage races, but people also have limited budgets for racing. Travel expenses are a factor that promoters might want to take into consideration when choosing a course.

Not food for debate, just food for thought.

Ron

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Chris Black <cblackride@...> wrote:
>
> I am not sure it is other races that are the cause of low pre-reg. This Sunday is the Dana Point GP in SoCal. While it is not an NRC event for the women (it is for the men) there is a $2000.00 prize list for Women 1,2. There are only 28 riders pre-registered for this event. Joe Martin Stage Race next weekend is an NRC for the women, and there are only 43 women registered for this event (Redlands had over 100). I wonder if the economy is starting to have an effect on bicycle racing?
>
>
> Chris Black
> Morgan Stanley Smith Barney/Specialized Cycling Team
> San Luis Obispo, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Leibold <velopro1@...>
> To: NCNCA <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm
> Subject: [NCNCA] Kern Women's Stage Race
>
>
>
>
>
>
> With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
> Yours in hope,
> ---Robert Leibold
>

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#1711

From: Phyllis Olrich <phylliso1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:03 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Bakersfield is a great location that draws women from both northern and southern
california. Most of the time the weather is just fine; plus Robert moved
Saturday's two races to a higher altitude, so even if it's hot in the valley,
the temps are bearable up there. No excuses.

Phyllis

On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Ron wrote:

> Probably a combination of several factors.
> Location location location.
> Bakersfield is a long way away, and gas prices make the trip very expensive.
>
> Not sure why the Women's stage race has to be in Kern County.
> Don't we have enough roads in Nor Cal that a Women's stage race could be done
a bit closer to the base?
>
> It would seem that the underlying communication here is that it is time to
make some changes to things that have been status quo for a long time. Changing
it up a bit would bring some new excitement. I think we have gotten to a point
were doing the same thing, in the same way, just because that is how we have
always done it, is a model that doesn't work anymore.
>
> People love stage races, but people also have limited budgets for racing.
Travel expenses are a factor that promoters might want to take into
consideration when choosing a course.
>
> Not food for debate, just food for thought.
>
> Ron
>
> --- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Chris Black <cblackride@...> wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure it is other races that are the cause of low pre-reg. This
Sunday is the Dana Point GP in SoCal. While it is not an NRC event for the women
(it is for the men) there is a $2000.00 prize list for Women 1,2. There are only
28 riders pre-registered for this event. Joe Martin Stage Race next weekend is
an NRC for the women, and there are only 43 women registered for this event
(Redlands had over 100). I wonder if the economy is starting to have an effect
on bicycle racing?
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>> Chris Black
>> Morgan Stanley Smith Barney/Specialized Cycling Team
>> San Luis Obispo, CA
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Leibold <velopro1@...>
>> To: NCNCA <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm
>> Subject: [NCNCA] Kern Women's Stage Race
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>> With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern
County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone
(in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in
deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries.
With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps
too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered
should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and
all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO
charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any
case, after attempting a better date?
>> Yours in hope,
>> ---Robert Leibold
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#1712

From: shaun bagley <shaunb93291@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

And by hot, you mean sunny and 75? You Bay area girls are soft! We even have wild flowers blooming now. Better go back to the distance excuse:)

From: Mary Ellen Allen <meallen@...>
To: "Morgan, Cathy L." <clm@...>; NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 11:40:09 AM
Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Thanks, Cathy - I will weigh in. I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to do this women's stage race - if it were not in Kern County/Bakersfield - too far and often too hot.

MEA

Mary Ellen Allen

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From: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NCNCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Morgan, Cathy L.
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:36 AM
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Perhaps an actual woman should respond?

Robert, I had actually planned to do Kern this year after not being able to last year due to knee surgery, but in the past 6 weeks my work has exploded and (1) I can't get away right now and (2) even if I could, working 10-11 hours/day doesn't leave a lot of time on the bike. Like I said last weekend at Menlo Park, I have 20 minute fitness right now, not 40 minute and definitely not 3 days worth.

So I really would like to do this race in the future! I'm just sorry that it doesn't fit into my schedule this year.

Regards,
clm

Cathy L. Morgan
415.983.1150 | Tie-line: 573-1150
clm@...

From: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NCNCA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NCNCA] Re: Kern Women's Stage Race

Probably a combination of several factors.
Location location location.
Bakersfield is a long way away, and gas prices make the trip very expensive.

Not sure why the Women's stage race has to be in Kern County.
Don't we have enough roads in Nor Cal that a Women's stage race could be done a bit closer to the base?

It would seem that the underlying communication here is that it is time to make some changes to things that have been status quo for a long time. Changing it up a bit would bring some new excitement. I think we have gotten to a point were doing the same thing, in the same way, just because that is how we have always done it, is a model that doesn't work anymore.

People love stage races, but people also have limited budgets for racing. Travel expenses are a factor that promoters might want to take into consideration when choosing a course.

Not food for debate, just food for thought.

Ron

--- In NCNCA@yahoogroups.com, Chris Black <cblackride@...> wrote:
>
> I am not sure it is other races that are the cause of low pre-reg. This Sunday is the Dana Point GP in SoCal. While it is not an NRC event for the women (it is for the men) there is a $2000.00 prize list for Women 1,2. There are only 28 riders pre-registered for this event. Joe Martin Stage Race next weekend is an NRC for the women, and there are only 43 women registered for this event (Redlands had over 100). I wonder if the economy is starting to have an effect on bicycle racing?
>
>
> Chris Black
> Morgan Stanley Smith Barney/Specialized Cycling Team
> San Luis Obispo, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Leibold <velopro1@...>
> To: NCNCA <NCNCA@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm
> Subject: [NCNCA] Kern Women's Stage Race
>
>
>
>
>
>
> With two weeks to go till pre-reg closes, I have only 16 riders in the Kern County Stage Race. Obviously the piling on of three criteriums in NorCal alone (in addition to the Modesto races - which obligingly have no women's events in deference to Kern)on the Kern weekend have made a major impact on our entries. With 50 riders, we still lose money on the race; with this few, it is perhaps too much to ask. I'll give it a few more days, but those of you who have entered should be aware that we MAY cancel. IF SO, it will be by Sunday night May 1, and all will get a full cash refund direct from Velo Promo, including the fees SBO charges. I hope we get more entries, and we will try it again next year in any case, after attempting a better date?
> Yours in hope,
> ---Robert Leibold
>

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#1713

From: "Greg" <greg@...>
Date: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:03 pm
Subject: Berkeley Hill Road Race Update

Due to popular demand we have increased the 4s, 45+4s, and 45+1/2/3 field sizes
for additional racers.  Online Registration Closes
Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 11:59 PM ET.

http://www.bikereg.com/events/register.asp?EventID=13015

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#1714

From: Beth Newell <eanewell@...>
Date: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:52 pm
Subject: May = Official Hellyer Velodrome Month!

Hello:

Hellyer has had a busy spring of racing, with many Get Ready for Summer Races (thanks Rick Adams!), Sprint Tournaments (thanks Joakim Vinberg!), Tuesday Night Derny for the Masses (thanks Maurice Monge & Dave McCook!) & Enduro Omniums (thanks Michael Hernandez & Jonathan Racine!), amongst trainings sessions for youth & adults alike.� Thanks to all the volunteers for putting on these great events & for all the participants for coming out and supporting your local track!

Summer is here and May begins a very busy month of racing at Hellyer Park Velodrome.� Below are some highlights:

Racing:

Saturday, April 30:� Not May, but almost May.... Master's Omnium�� - thanks promoter Warren Geissert. http://ncnca.org/ncncaevent/hellyer-park-masters-omnium

Monday - Introduction to Racing:� Big thanks to Steve Jones for putting on this great Monday night series every Monday from May - August.� Give Steve a hug next time you see him!� Steve does an excellent job introducing us to racing safely at the track, explaining all those little things you never understood.� Attend one, attend all - you can never get enough practice.� This session also substitutes for Saturday beginner sessions, for those who cannot make it down on Saturdays.� Information is here: http://ridethetrack.com/info_mon.html

Tuesday NCVA races begin this Tuesday, May 3rd.� Big big thanks to Larry Nolan, Ted Burns, Jay Parkhill & Mateo Ortega for promoting in the month of May.� (Be sure to give them a hug, as well.)� Please check out the website linked below for details for Tuesday night.� Categories for Tuesday night will be: Category 4/5, Category 1/2, and Women 4.� Details on the weekly race schedule can be found on the track website: http://ridethetrack.com/info_tues.html� Please remember to bring your USAC license.

Wednesday NCVA races begin next Wednesday, May 10th.� Big thank you to Joakim Vinberg, Greg Tsutaoko & Dylan Reynolds for promoting in the month of May.� Information on Wednesday's can be found below - be sure to check the website.� Categories for Wednesday night will be: Category 3, Women 2/3, and a Rotating Category (alternating every 3 weeks between: "Master's Omnium"; "Sprinter's Omnium"; and "Madison Omnium").� Wednesdays are canceled when there is a Friday night that week, so be sure to look at the calendar)� Check the website for details on Wednesday's racing. http://ridethetrack.com/info_wed.html� Please remember to bring your USAC license.

Questions about Tues & Wed formats? Go here for Frequently Asked Questions: http://www.ridethetrack.com/pdfs2011/TuesWed_FAQs.pdf

Fridays: Michael Hernandez & Jonathan Racine are back at it again.� First "Hernando & Racine Productions" ROCKTAPE Friday night is May 6th - hosted by LTO Velo.� Money, prizes, and mockery galore.� Race- or come to watch!� Information here: http://ridethetrack.com/info_fri.html

Weekend Races -- Get Ready for Summer: May 8th and May 28th! Rick Adams will have you racing more events than you ever thought possible in three hours. Get down to these great events and qualify for the TVC!� http://ridethetrack.com/pdfs2011/grfsummer2011.pdf

Clinics:

Women's Track Clinic - Thank you Elizabeth Hernandez-Jones, super promoter & Annabell Holland, super coach!� Details here: http://ridethetrack.com/women_clinic.html

Fast Track Coaching Clinic -- The British are coming - information here on this clinic at our track: http://ncnca.org/ncncaevent/fast-track-coaching-clinics

Training, Training, Training:

And, as usual - check out the regular training sessions at our track:� See the calendar for details - http://www.ridethetrack.com/calendar/index.php

-Tuesday morning training (thanks Mark Rodamaker)
-Tuesday afternoon junior session (thanks Andrew Lainier and Dave McCook)
-Thursday afternoon training (thanks Dave McCook)
-Sunday morning session (Thanks Annabell Holland)
-Sunday junior session (Thanks John Cheetham & the many other volunteers)

Lastly--Consider promoting an event.� We are still seeking promoters to round out the Tuesday & Wednesday night race schedule.� Promoting is fun, rewarding, and not as hard as you might think.� If you are interested in giving it a try and shadowing someone - please be in touch.� Also, is there an event you'd like to see on the calendar, but don't?� Keirin tournament, More Friday Nights, Madison Tournament, More weekend races?� Considering promoting!� Our events at Hellyer are made by volunteers willing to plan events.� The NCVA will help you with preparing for an event, so if you have an idea - send me an email.� A busy track is a happy track!

Look forward to seeing everyone at the track this summer.� Any additional questions - please send me an email.� Thanks for your time.�

Thanks-

-Beth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

eanewell@...
330-573-9728

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#1715

From: "meamarvin" <meallen@...>
Date: Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:17 am
Subject: Rio Vista/Montezuma Hills Time Trial - May 7

Time Trialists,

Don't miss the Rio Vista Time Trial (aka Montezuma Hills Time Trial) next
Saturday on May 7. The registration link is at www.socalreg.com

Course profile:http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/29982712

16 miles course - 40 miles south of Sacramento

Join me!

Mary Ellen Allen

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#1716

From: George Meilahn <gfmeilahn@...>
Date: Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: Rio Vista/Montezuma Hills Time Trial - May 7

So far no public riders (receive medals) have registered. Plenty of spots left, and $5 more on race day. www.socalreg.com/schedule.asp?race=Montezuma+TT Support H.A.L.O and the senior class trip.

George Meilahn

Race Organizer

From: meamarvin <meallen@...>
To: NCNCA@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 9:17:44 PM
Subject: [NCNCA] Rio Vista/Montezuma Hills Time Trial - May 7

Time Trialists,

Don't miss the Rio Vista Time Trial (aka Montezuma Hills Time Trial) next Saturday on May 7. The registration link is at www.socalreg.com

Course profile:http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/29982712

16 miles course - 40 miles south of Sacramento

Join me!

Mary Ellen Allen

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#1717

From: Ken Hernandez <kenhernandez52@...>
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 3:21 am
Subject: Wente Vineyards Road Race

I've been a part of promoting the Wente Vineyards Road Race and Criterium for 20 years. Back then it was called the Wente Brute Road Race for the Wente Brute Sparkling Wines. The race had a nickname of being the Wente Brutal because of the rolling terrain and windy conditions. Today's race didn't disappoint the moniker. It was wicked windy early in the day and slightly diminished as the day wore on. Results from today's race are posted at: https://www.usacycling.org/results/index.php?permit=2011-1111. Finish times are provided by Jon Gallagher and crew of One2Go Event Services who will also be at tomorrow's Wente Vineyards Criterium. The finish times really lets you see how some of the races played out. We also had Josh Geiszler of Williams Wheels proved the professional neutral support for the Pro/1/2 race. Williams Wheels will also be providing neutral wheel support at tomorrow's race. Another great weekend of racing!

Ken Hernandez

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