Dave a "Fly" is a teeny lock component.  It fits in near the sear and
bridle.  Each lock is slightly different.  Fly's are typically VERY
small and thus difficult to photograph.

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <swada54@y...> wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me what the fly does, I have not seen one and I
> can't find a decent picture of one, I know that it is a part of the
> tumbler assembly but I don't know for what application.
>
> Seasons Greetings
> Dave

Go to members.aye.net/~bspen/percterm.html
and members.aye.net/~bspen/lockfunction.html. The site
has an excellent description of what the fly does and
very good photography so you can see exactly what is
being discussed.






> Can someone tell me what the fly does
>
>
>
>




__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good.
http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com

Can someone tell me what the fly does, I have not seen one and I
can't find a decent picture of one, I know that it is a part of the
tumbler assembly but I don't know for what application.

Seasons Greetings
Dave

Thanks for your help guys. I've replaced the ignition with a 209 primer set up
and found
that there was some dirt in the bolt housing that may have been restricting the
firing pin.
The 209 primer firing pin does seem to have more gusto. I've hunted with a
Hawkens style
rifle before I purchased my inline and I do miss it. Iit's hard not to pass up
the use
of a rifle with a scope shouting up to 150 yards with very good accuracy.
Thanks Again,
Rod

I agree with both Greg and PJMarks.  For Winter use I have always
thoroughly cleaned the oil out of the action of my various rifles,
including taking the bolts apart and making sure they are dry.  A very
light coating of dry graphite (read pencil lead) on wearing surfaces
is sometimes helpful.  Winter weather usually means dry air so you
aren't protecting against moisture rusting the internals of the gun.

Just make sure that if you bring it inside at the end of the day you
let it warm up inside a gun case.  Otherwise moisture in the house
will condense on it.  The old timers up here didn't bring their rifles
in at all, but left them in the cold on the porch.  Of course that was
at a time when folks were more honest and you didn't have to worry
about someone walking off with it....

If you replace the rifle, consider a flintlock (as PJ suggested).
They are a hoot to shoot, and were used for a lot longer than bolt
actions have been around...


Have a great New Year!

-Kees-

> I purchased a Ruger M70/50 inline about 5 or 6 years
> ago. I have had some mis-fires that have cost me 1
> trophy buck and a number of other deer.
> I've used only the finest gun oils for freezing
> temperatures and have purchased brand new primers a few
> times. I can't think of anything else to do but replace
> this rifle...

I purchased a Ruger M70/50 inline about 5 or 6 years ago. I have had some
mis-fires that
have cost me 1 trophy buck and a number of other deer. Ruger had sent me a
replacement
firing pin spring and after that didn't work they me sent me the whole bolt
assembly. The
new bolt seemed to work pretty good for a while but then misfired again on me
this year
costing me a nice six pointer and then a spike buck. It does put a slight dent
and will fire if
I recamber the bolt. I'm pretty frustrated at this point and I'm going to
convert the ignition
to a 209 shotgun primer set up. I've used only the finest gun oils for freezing
temperatures and have purchased brand new primers a few times. I can't think of
anything
else to do but replace this rifle if I am to keep on having mis-fires. Does
anyone have have
any thoughts or similar experiences with this same weapon?

I do not shoot flinters, however I have had very good luck with
advice from local clubs.  They are unfailing in their willingness to
help and their numbers are rife with deeply experienced shooters who
have experienced every problem imaginable...and then some.  They can
also provide the sources for parts IF you need them.

Dennis


--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "hunter_15627"
<trophyhunter.1@n...> wrote:
>
>
> HELLO GUYS I GOT A PROBLEM I HOPE SOME ONE CAN HELP ME LAST YEAR
MY
> MUZZLOADER WAS WORKING PRETTY GOOD BUT IT SEEMED THAT I DIDNT HAVE
AS
> MUCH SPARK AS I SHOULD HAVE ITS A FLINTLOCK SO THIS YEAR I AM
GETTING
> READY FOR OR SEASON IN PA AND I CLEANED EVERTHING CHECKED THE
FLINT
> WHERE ITS IS SUPPOSED TO BE SET AND EVERYTHING IT SPARKED A COUPLE
> TIMES AND THAT WAS ALL NOW I CAN ONLY GET A SPARK OR TWO FROM IT I
> WENT THRU 13 PIECES OF NEW FLINT WITH NO CHANGE SO I SANDED MY
> FRIZZEN WITH SAND PAPER STILL NOTHING SO I USED MY DREMEL ON IT
WITH
> SAND PAPER NOTHING NO SPARK WHAT COULD BE WRONG I FIGURED ITS MY
> FRIZZEN BUT WHY IS THERE A COATING ON IT THAT I SANDED AWAY IS
THAT
> WHY IT WONT SPARK I HOPE SOMEBODY CAN HELP THE SEASON STARTS THE
DAY
> AFTER CHRISTMAS.

Howdy,
   Case hardening is a surface hardening technique. I would suggest
that you obtain a new frizzen...just to have a spare if you should
need it. Then try to reharden the old one.
    "Kasenite" and similar products such as "Hard N' Tuff" are used
by, first, heating the part to a dull red heat, rolling or dunking
the part in the sand like compound, until a glassy, melted coating
covers it.  The component is then brought up to a bright red heat and
quenched in clear cool water.  This process can be repeated to give a
thicker coating.
     Traditional Case Hardening is done by packing the soft iron or
steel parts in a cast iron box, together with a mixture of charred
bone meal, leather scraps or parings from hooves etc.  The top is
wired in place and sealed with fireclay. The entire box is then
heated in forge or furnace, to a medium red heat for several hours,
after which it is removed, the wires clipped and the entire contents
dumped into clear cold water.
     The quality of your flint and its shape can also be an issue. I
believe I would have started with the flint first, but if you had a
bad batch none would have been productive. Quality flint is not cheap.
Try the flints that did not work on another rifle and see if they
spark there.
      Good luck...let us know how everything works out.

Merry Christmas,

Kertesz
Riding the Rio Grande down Mexico way




--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "hunter_15627"
<trophyhunter.1@n...> wrote:
>
>
> HELLO GUYS I GOT A PROBLEM I HOPE SOME ONE CAN HELP ME LAST YEAR MY
> MUZZLOADER WAS WORKING PRETTY GOOD BUT IT SEEMED THAT I DIDNT HAVE
AS
> MUCH SPARK AS I SHOULD HAVE ITS A FLINTLOCK SO THIS YEAR I AM
GETTING
> READY FOR OR SEASON IN PA AND I CLEANED EVERTHING CHECKED THE FLINT
> WHERE ITS IS SUPPOSED TO BE SET AND EVERYTHING IT SPARKED A COUPLE
> TIMES AND THAT WAS ALL NOW I CAN ONLY GET A SPARK OR TWO FROM IT I
> WENT THRU 13 PIECES OF NEW FLINT WITH NO CHANGE SO I SANDED MY
> FRIZZEN WITH SAND PAPER STILL NOTHING SO I USED MY DREMEL ON IT
WITH
> SAND PAPER NOTHING NO SPARK WHAT COULD BE WRONG I FIGURED ITS MY
> FRIZZEN BUT WHY IS THERE A COATING ON IT THAT I SANDED AWAY IS THAT
> WHY IT WONT SPARK I HOPE SOMEBODY CAN HELP THE SEASON STARTS THE
DAY
> AFTER CHRISTMAS.

HELLO GUYS I GOT A PROBLEM I HOPE SOME ONE CAN HELP ME LAST YEAR MY
MUZZLOADER WAS WORKING PRETTY GOOD BUT IT SEEMED THAT I DIDNT HAVE AS
MUCH SPARK AS I SHOULD HAVE ITS A FLINTLOCK SO THIS YEAR I AM GETTING
READY FOR OR SEASON IN PA AND I CLEANED EVERTHING CHECKED THE FLINT
WHERE ITS IS SUPPOSED TO BE SET AND EVERYTHING IT SPARKED A COUPLE
TIMES AND THAT WAS ALL NOW I CAN ONLY GET A SPARK OR TWO FROM IT I
WENT THRU 13 PIECES OF NEW FLINT WITH NO CHANGE SO I SANDED MY
FRIZZEN WITH SAND PAPER STILL NOTHING SO I USED MY DREMEL ON IT WITH
SAND PAPER NOTHING NO SPARK WHAT COULD BE WRONG I FIGURED ITS MY
FRIZZEN BUT WHY IS THERE A COATING ON IT THAT I SANDED AWAY IS THAT
WHY IT WONT SPARK I HOPE SOMEBODY CAN HELP THE SEASON STARTS THE DAY
AFTER CHRISTMAS.

My new Kodiak has the misfire habit.CVA said they or Gander Mtn. would
change it out.I'm gonna try Win. primers and leave the CCI 209's at
home.I see some posts regarding breech crud.For what it's worth I
bought a bottle of Zap at dollar store dipped breech plug in it and
the crud jumped off.Came out steril clean with the hole clean as a
whistle.It has no ammonia,wiper her clean and lightly oiled.I'm happy.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

Please Stop sending Spam to my e-mail address- I thought this was a
muzzleloaders group!If I want acar loan or home loan-ill find it on
my own! this happens at least twice aweek-please no more!!
muzzleloader info great keep it up. Thanks Pistol

I've shipped UPS with no problems

----- Original Message -----

From: rugbynuttc

To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:27 PM

Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Muzzleloader shipping

 Hey fellas, got a question. What's the best way to ship a BP rifle?
UPS,USPS,Fedex? Need some advice with this, since I am not a dealer.

TC





------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~-->
$4.98 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/Q7_YsB/neXJAA/yQLSAA/soUolB/TM
--------------------------------------------------------------------~->


Muzzleloaders Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Muzzleloaders/
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Muzzleloaders/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    Muzzleloaders-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Muzzleloaders Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Muzzleloaders/

----- Original Message -----

From: rugbynuttc

To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:27 PM

Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Muzzleloader shipping

 Hey fellas, got a question. What's the best way to ship a BP rifle?
UPS,USPS,Fedex? Need some advice with this, since I am not a dealer.

TC





------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~-->
$4.98 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/Q7_YsB/neXJAA/yQLSAA/soUolB/TM
--------------------------------------------------------------------~->


Muzzleloaders Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Muzzleloaders/
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Muzzleloaders/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    Muzzleloaders-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Hey fellas, got a question. What's the best way to ship a BP rifle?
UPS,USPS,Fedex? Need some advice with this, since I am not a dealer.

TC

Thank you for this I think it should work just fine. We all need
these kinds of recipes to offset some of the high costs in life.
thanks agin


--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "farmersblend" <Oxford@w...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "jay1991bird"
> <jay1991bird@y...> wrote:
> > I really can't say, I spose 1qt kerosene to 1/2cup oil. Dollar
> General carries a very clear brand of oil,10w30or5w30 don't matter.
> If you want it a little heavier or thicker just add a little more
> oil.If this ends up not working for removing the plastic don't
throw
> it away.It's still a good cleaner lubricant for your barrel and the
> external parts of the gun and u can use it on other equipment like
> lawn-mowers and such.
> >
> > can you be a bit more specific >>
> > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "farmersblend"
<Oxford@w...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "goodolguy2003"
> > > <goodolguy2003@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is there a solvent > Pretty much any solvent will do. Hoppes
BP
> > > Solvent/ Shooters Choice/ I use a qt of clear light motor oil
and
> > mix
> > > it with K-1 kerosene. It's pretty much the same as the stuff in
> the
> > > little bottles and I have so much more for so muchless cash. I
> can
> > > even soak my barrel if wanted.

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "jay1991bird"
<jay1991bird@y...> wrote:
> I really can't say, I spose 1qt kerosene to 1/2cup oil. Dollar
General carries a very clear brand of oil,10w30or5w30 don't matter.
If you want it a little heavier or thicker just add a little more
oil.If this ends up not working for removing the plastic don't throw
it away.It's still a good cleaner lubricant for your barrel and the
external parts of the gun and u can use it on other equipment like
lawn-mowers and such.
>
> can you be a bit more specific >>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "farmersblend" <Oxford@w...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "goodolguy2003"
> > <goodolguy2003@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there a solvent > Pretty much any solvent will do. Hoppes BP
> > Solvent/ Shooters Choice/ I use a qt of clear light motor oil and
> mix
> > it with K-1 kerosene. It's pretty much the same as the stuff in
the
> > little bottles and I have so much more for so muchless cash. I
can
> > even soak my barrel if wanted.

I just acquired a CVA sidelock (used) in excellent condition. The
previous owner suggests I use #209 caps which I purchased yesterday.
However, how do I use them? What I mean is the nipple I have in no
way looks like a match for the 209. Do I need to get another nipple
and if so what do I ask for in buying one?
I had some of the caps the previous owner gave with the gun but 9 out
of 12 did not fire and of course when number 10 fired off the gun was
pointed at the moon. 11 & 12 went off without a hitch and from those
first two viable rounds I am in love.

can you be a bit more specific in the amount of kerosene and when you
say light motor oil are you in reference to something like 5w30 wal
mart brand?

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "farmersblend" <Oxford@w...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "goodolguy2003"
> <goodolguy2003@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Is there a solvent > Pretty much any solvent will do. Hoppes BP
> Solvent/ Shooters Choice/ I use a qt of clear light motor oil and
mix
> it with K-1 kerosene. It's pretty much the same as the stuff in the
> little bottles and I have so much more for so muchless cash. I can
> even soak my barrel if wanted.

Mike:  Your full Email address isn't displayed.  I can't.  I'd love
to chat with you though.

If you can send me a note to: Mirage_95758@..., that'll get us
started.

Dennis

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, mike <mbush@l...> wrote:
> Drop me a line off list and we can talk... I have some cnc
machines and
> a small digitizer ...
> Take care
> Mike Bush
> mbush at  lmi.net
>
> Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> >
> >There is 1 message in this issue.
> >
> >Topics in this digest:
> >
> >      1. inletting stocks
> >           From: "Mirage" <mirage_95758@y...>
> >
> >
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
> >
> >Message: 1
> >   Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:56:28 -0000
> >   From: "Mirage" <mirage_95758@y...>
> >Subject: inletting stocks
> >
> >
> >Can anybody point me in the right direction?
> >
> >I'm looking for a company that can do fine inletting on pistol
> >stocks and rifle stocks...in quantity.  I'm of the opinion that
it
> >takes a C-N-C machine.  All the present kit guns are made in
Italy
> >or Spain.  I'm looking for an American source for stock inletting.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
> >
> >
> >
> >Muzzleloaders Group:
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Muzzleloaders/
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, mike <mbush@l...> wrote:
> Drop me a line off list and we can talk... I have some cnc
machines and
> a small digitizer ...
> Take care
> Mike Bush
> mbush at  lmi.net
>
> Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> >
> >There is 1 message in this issue.
> >
> >Topics in this digest:
> >
> >      1. inletting stocks
> >           From: "Mirage" <mirage_95758@y...>
> >
> >
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
> >
> >Message: 1
> >   Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:56:28 -0000
> >   From: "Mirage" <mirage_95758@y...>
> >Subject: inletting stocks
> >
> >
> >Can anybody point me in the right direction?
> >
> >I'm looking for a company that can do fine inletting on pistol
> >stocks and rifle stocks...in quantity.  I'm of the opinion that
it
> >takes a C-N-C machine.  All the present kit guns are made in
Italy
> >or Spain.  I'm looking for an American source for stock inletting.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
> >
> >
> >
> >Muzzleloaders Group:
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Muzzleloaders/
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, mike <mbush@l...> wrote:
> Drop me a line off list and we can talk... I have some cnc
machines and
> a small digitizer ...
> Take care
> Mike Bush
> mbush at  lmi.net
>
> Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> >
> >There is 1 message in this issue.
> >
> >Topics in this digest:
> >
> >      1. inletting stocks
> >           From: "Mirage" <mirage_95758@y...>
> >
> >
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
> >
> >Message: 1
> >   Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:56:28 -0000
> >   From: "Mirage" <mirage_95758@y...>
> >Subject: inletting stocks
> >
> >
> >Can anybody point me in the right direction?
> >
> >I'm looking for a company that can do fine inletting on pistol
> >stocks and rifle stocks...in quantity.  I'm of the opinion that
it
> >takes a C-N-C machine.  All the present kit guns are made in
Italy
> >or Spain.  I'm looking for an American source for stock inletting.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
>
>____________________________________________________________________
____
> >
> >
> >
> >Muzzleloaders Group:
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Muzzleloaders/
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "goodolguy2003"
<goodolguy2003@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Is there a solvent > Pretty much any solvent will do. Hoppes BP
Solvent/ Shooters Choice/ I use a qt of clear light motor oil and mix
it with K-1 kerosene. It's pretty much the same as the stuff in the
little bottles and I have so much more for so muchless cash. I can
even soak my barrel if wanted.

Is there a solvent that is good for removing the plastic in a barrel
left behind from these sabotted bullets?

Drop me a line off list and we can talk... I have some cnc machines and
a small digitizer ...
Take care
Mike Bush
mbush at  lmi.net

Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
>There is 1 message in this issue.
>
>Topics in this digest:
>
>      1. inletting stocks
>           From: "Mirage" <mirage_95758@...>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
>   Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:56:28 -0000
>   From: "Mirage" <mirage_95758@...>
>Subject: inletting stocks
>
>
>Can anybody point me in the right direction?
>
>I'm looking for a company that can do fine inletting on pistol
>stocks and rifle stocks...in quantity.  I'm of the opinion that it
>takes a C-N-C machine.  All the present kit guns are made in Italy
>or Spain.  I'm looking for an American source for stock inletting.
>
>Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>Muzzleloaders Group:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Muzzleloaders/
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Can anybody point me in the right direction?

I'm looking for a company that can do fine inletting on pistol
stocks and rifle stocks...in quantity.  I'm of the opinion that it
takes a C-N-C machine.  All the present kit guns are made in Italy
or Spain.  I'm looking for an American source for stock inletting.

Dennis