Am new to muzzleloading.  Recently purchased a CVA Kentucky Rifle
already assembled.  I do not have the assembly instructions.  I would
like to know how the barrel separates from the stock.  Most
muzzleloaders seem to have a wedge pin to remove for easy barrel
separation.  Don't see one here.  It does have two brass pins that go
through the stock and may be the key to my question.  However, it
seems to me…these pins are not made for repeated removal.  Perhaps a
barrel separation is not needed or recommended for cleaning this
particular rifle.  All thoughts or suggestions appreciated.  – p.s. –
I have emailed the company…once.  No response so far.

Art,

Appreciate the info. I'm like a sponge, I'm soakin' this all up.

CJ



--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "The Dour Celt"
<mcginley@c...> wrote:
> CJ,
>
> To be nitpickingly accurate, no rifles came in calibers in the
18th Century. They were all sized in gauge. Gauge was defined as the
number of balls you could cast from a pound of lead. The standard
Committee on Safety Rifles used by the Colonials was 16 balls to the
pound which works out to about .663 caliber. Add a patch and you
have about .69.
>
> Realistically, given the method of welding and then rifling
barrels of the period, you didn't start out to make a specific gauge
or caliber if you were an independent gun maker. You bored the
rifling then cut a bullet mold to fit the rifle. Folks who mass
produced muskets, which were much easier to keep consistent, could
set a gauge and hold it. By the way, the Bess is about an 11 gauge.
>
> I have a list of books about early rifles and muskets that I keep
on my shelf any one is interested in some reference materials.
Contact me off list.
>
> Arthur
> mcginley@c...

Dear Arthur,

Thank you for your kindness in replying.  I will check on
the provanance of the muscats and type today.  I'm pretty
sure they were Spanish, but not certain.  The Spanish had
ruled Mexico for around 200 years and had developed a
Mexican army.  Some of those troops accompanied the first
missionaries to what is now California.  So, the arms were
standard issue for that army.  We were assuming they were
not cutting edge, in part, because Spain had gotten over the
excitement of New World gold and probably had more urgent
things to do with better arms than guard missionaries.  We
know, for instance, they did not send their best men.

Alijandra

The Dour Celt wrote:
> Alijandra,
>
> I am not trying to be funny but to understand the problem. Were they
> Spanish muskets? Or English or French muskets used by Spanish
> soldiers? Do you know if they were described as matchlocks or fire
> (flint) locks? By 1750 there were some fairly sophisticated firearms
> on the North American Continent. I'll search some of my reference
> materials and see what I can find for you.
>
> Arthur
> mcginley@...
>
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Alijandra,

I am not trying to be funny but to understand the problem. Were they
Spanish muskets? Or English or French muskets used by Spanish
soldiers? Do you know if they were described as matchlocks or fire
(flint) locks? By 1750 there were some fairly sophisticated firearms
on the North American Continent. I'll search some of my reference
materials and see what I can find for you.

Arthur
mcginley@...

Hello,

I am a new member of both Muzzle Loaders and Cannon Fire.
My name is Alijandra Mogilner and I am involved in living
history in Old Town San Diego State Historic Park in
California.  We're probably a little late for most of you as
our time period is 1832 to 1872 in the park.  However, the
site I am most interested in dates from the first European
contact shortly after 1750.

Now for my question.  When the Mexicans and Spanish first
met the Native Americans here they described distances by
how far a muscat shot.  Does anyone have any idea how far a
muscat might have shot about that time.  I am sure that the
soldiers who came up did not have the latest and greatest
equipment as contact with Europe was not as good as it was
in the Eastern US and the China trade had not yet developed.

I think it is fastenating that the shot was used to measure
distances.  There must have been quite a variation in
measurements.  I suppose if one was to measure land that way
it would pay to have a really really good muscat.

Alijandra

Art,

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I wasn't sure if they came in
anything bigger than .50 caliber. I didn't want to steer Wes wrong.
They came in .54 and .58? I didn't know that.

CJ



--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "The Dour Celt"
<mcginley@c...> wrote:
> Hi Wes and Tammy,
>
> Pennsylvanias were mostly .54 and .58. Check out this web site for
some of the best available.
>
> http://www.flintlocks.com/rifles01.htm
>
> I built the Early Lancaster several years ago in .54 and it is
sweet!!
>
> Arthur McGinley
> mcginley@c...

Wes_Tam,

I don't recall any Pennsylvania rifle being over .50 caliber. As a
matter of fact, they usually were .40 caliber and under. That's why
so many of the trappers went to the Hawken because it came in larger
bores. The only thing bigger would be the muskets. A 1777
Charleville musket of .69 caliber, or the Brown Bess of .75 caliber.
The Indian trade musket was also of .75 caliber. Both of these
muskets were smoothbore.

DGW, Traditions, and Davide Pedersoli make the Pennsylvania Rifle
now and I don't know of any that they make over .50 caliber. I could
be dead wrong. But I don't think so.

Hope I helped.

CJ



--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Wes & Tammy <wes_tammy@y...>"
<wes_tammy@y...> wrote:
> I haven't been looking long, but it seems hard to find a
Pennsylvania
> Rifle in a caliber larger than 50. Is that because that isn't a
> period accurate firearm?

I haven't been looking long, but it seems hard to find a Pennsylvania
Rifle in a caliber larger than 50. Is that because that isn't a
period accurate firearm?

Dear Ridgerunner,

Waghhhhhhh!!! Good ta have ya aboard! If'n ya'onto, ya kin pull up
next ta the fahr and pull a cork with with us 'an spin a yarn or two!

Hang onto your topknot!

CJ




--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy  Poitevint
<ridgerunnerme@y...>" <ridgerunnerme@y...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> Me and my partner Snake Stomper are very well into black powder.I
> enjoy using my colts and other long arms.
> I mostly enjoy target shooting,seems like my legs and all don't
take
> to trapsing all over the hill's anymore.But i enjoy hearing of
others
> that get meat for the table.
> I do enjoy tanning the hides the old way using brains and showing
> Black powder shooting at our scout camp during the summer.I do the
Mt
> man camp and help show what it was like living in the days of the
> traper.
> Well I guess i'll head on down the trail and hope to set by your
fire
> again soon.
> Keep yer powder dry.
> Ridgerunnerme

Two sets of twins!! You got alot of power outages at your house or
what? lol!!

CJ



--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Terry <trogers@a...>"
<trogers@a...> wrote:
> I know a few re-enacters like yourself. They have a great time. My
> uncle is heavy into it. He painted a unit flag that has won a few
> compitions. He is a darned good artist and has taken ribbons for
his
> paintings at the state fair.
>
> The only cival war pieces that I have besides my replica pistols
are;
>
> 1 book printed in 1890ish with documents and dispatches about
troup
> movements around the virginia area.
>
> 2 miniballs dug out of the Perryville Battlefield in Kentucky (my
> home state)
>
> 1 union issue tin cup that I bought from an antique dealer in
> Perryville
>
> That's it. I bought the antiques years ago when I was single and
had
> a little money. Now, I'm verry married with 2 sets of twins, ages
4
> years and 3 monthes and wont be able to buy anything fun until I'm
60
> or so. I need to keep the guns oiled and make them last --- LOL.
>
> Take care and keep Christ in your heart, Terry
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "C.J. <bikn4god2@y...>"
> <bikn4god2@y...> wrote:
> > Hey Terry,
> >
> > I like the Remington 1858. It's a nice revolver. Sounds like you
> got
> > a winner there. Mine is in .36 but would like to someday get
> the .44
> > caliber.
> >
> > True, the Confederates used the Enfield Rifled Musket as their
> > primary weapon, but it was not uncommon for them to use an 1855
> > Springfield in .69 caliber. They also captured many 1861
> > Springfields on the battlefield. Some of the other primary
shoulder
> > weapons were the Smith Carbine ( Cavalry ), as well as the
London
> > Armoury models and the musketoons. My friend carries an 1862
C.S.
> > Richmond in .58 caliber. He's wanting the Whitworth rifle.
> >
> > My kit includes the 1861 Springfield .58 caliber, the 1855
> cartridge
> > box, cap pouch, bayonet, scabbard, haversack, canteen, Hardee
hat,
> > and in some cases, a bummer, brogans, wool socks, Eagle plate,
US
> > plate on cartridge box, and US buckle on a black leather waist
> belt.
> > The uniform consists of a dark blue wool sack coat, white muslin
> > shirt, suspenders, and sky blue wool trousers. Sometimes a frock
> > coat is worn, but I need to get one. To galvanize into a
> > Confederate, all I have to do is change into a shell jacket of
> > either gray or butternut, and change my hat. Instant Reb!
> >
> > It's a shame enlisted men couldn't carry revolvers. That's where
> > your nice Remington 1858 would come in handy. Officers! They get
> > everything!
> >
> > Good to hear from ya, bro. Take care!
> >
> > CJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Terry <trogers@a...>"
> > <trogers@a...> wrote:
> > > I recently finished an 1861 Colt Navy Confederate Kit. The
> > > Conferderate model had the brass frame. I also have a Euroarms
> > > Remington 1858 New Model Army in stainless with olive wood
grips.
> > > It's a beautiful gun that I finished off a white doe that
field
> > > dressed out at about 130 lbs. last year. As far as the
> Springfield
> > > rifle goes, it's a nice rifle but I was thinking that the
> > > Confederate's primary rifle was the Enfield. I just learned
that
> > on
> > > the History channel show "Mail Call". I guess that it depends
on
> > the
> > > Confererate unit that you are in. Well, take care gents,
> > > Terry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "C.J. <bikn4god2@y...>"
> > > <bikn4god2@y...> wrote:
> > > > George,
> > > >
> > > > According to what I read, that particular Colt you have has
one
> > of
> > > > the smoothest lines of any Colt percussion revolver ever
> > produced.
> > > > It is a handsome looking weapon.
> > > >
> > > > I am personally in love with the 1851 Colt Navy .36 caliber.
It
> > > > just "rings me bell", ya know it? Hope to pick up one soon.
> > > >
> > > > My next weapon will be an 1861 Springfield Rifled Musket.
I'm
> > > > supposed to be joining up with some re-enactors in the 26th
> > North
> > > > Carolina ( Confederate ) but galvanized out as the 24th
> Michigan
> > > > (Black Hats- Union ). I'm really looking forward to that.
Still
> > > > trying to get some more equipment. I try to pick it up as
money
> > > > becomes available.
> > > >
> > > > I've never shot a deer with a round ball. Might be an
> > interesting
> > > > endeavor. My Hawken fires the .495 round ball out of a 32"
> > barrel
> > > > with a 1-60" twist. Would like to get their 1-32" barrel so
I
> > can
> > > > shoot conicals. Down the road.........got to get the
> Springfield
> > > > first!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the info! Hope to hear from you soon.
> > > >
> > > > CJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "George
<g_r_p50@y...>"
> > > > <g_r_p50@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Well, if you found an 1861 Navy, I hope you can see why I
had
> > to
> > > > have
> > > > > it. LOL!!! Shooting it is like pointing a finger.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a 50 TC Hawken in flint,...... Really good shooting
> > rifle.
> > > > > I also have a Wilderness Rifle Works, (Made by Deer
Creek,)
> > > > > Cumberland, 50 flint. It's plain but it is awfully nice.
It's
> > a
> > > > full
> > > > > stock with a 36" barrel.
> > > > >
> > > > > Loading a flintlock shorgun is easy. You just assemble a
> > shotgun
> > > > > shell in the bore. I have a Jackie Brown 20 gauge
smoothbore.
> > > > >
> > > > > You pour the powder in, put a cardboard wad over it, then
a
> > > > cushion
> > > > > wad, then the shot, and finish it with a thin overshot
card.
> > > Well,
> > > > > it's easy to do in the garage, but when you have a turkey
> > > flopping
> > > > on
> > > > > the ground, it gets very interesting, I assure you. LOL!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I also shoot round balls from it for deer. If you hit one
in
> > the
> > > > > right place, there's no tracking involved with it.
(323grain
> > > > > RB, .600",...... nope, fight's over.)
> > > > >
> > > > > G_R_P

Hello all,
Me and my partner Snake Stomper are very well into black powder.I
enjoy using my colts and other long arms.
I mostly enjoy target shooting,seems like my legs and all don't take
to trapsing all over the hill's anymore.But i enjoy hearing of others
that get meat for the table.
I do enjoy tanning the hides the old way using brains and showing
Black powder shooting at our scout camp during the summer.I do the Mt
man camp and help show what it was like living in the days of the
traper.
Well I guess i'll head on down the trail and hope to set by your fire
again soon.
Keep yer powder dry.
Ridgerunnerme

I know a few re-enacters like yourself. They have a great time. My
uncle is heavy into it. He painted a unit flag that has won a few
compitions. He is a darned good artist and has taken ribbons for his
paintings at the state fair.

The only cival war pieces that I have besides my replica pistols are;

1 book printed in 1890ish with documents and dispatches about troup
movements around the virginia area.

2 miniballs dug out of the Perryville Battlefield in Kentucky (my
home state)

1 union issue tin cup that I bought from an antique dealer in
Perryville

That's it. I bought the antiques years ago when I was single and had
a little money. Now, I'm verry married with 2 sets of twins, ages 4
years and 3 monthes and wont be able to buy anything fun until I'm 60
or so. I need to keep the guns oiled and make them last --- LOL.

Take care and keep Christ in your heart, Terry





--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "C.J. <bikn4god2@y...>"
<bikn4god2@y...> wrote:
> Hey Terry,
>
> I like the Remington 1858. It's a nice revolver. Sounds like you
got
> a winner there. Mine is in .36 but would like to someday get
the .44
> caliber.
>
> True, the Confederates used the Enfield Rifled Musket as their
> primary weapon, but it was not uncommon for them to use an 1855
> Springfield in .69 caliber. They also captured many 1861
> Springfields on the battlefield. Some of the other primary shoulder
> weapons were the Smith Carbine ( Cavalry ), as well as the London
> Armoury models and the musketoons. My friend carries an 1862 C.S.
> Richmond in .58 caliber. He's wanting the Whitworth rifle.
>
> My kit includes the 1861 Springfield .58 caliber, the 1855
cartridge
> box, cap pouch, bayonet, scabbard, haversack, canteen, Hardee hat,
> and in some cases, a bummer, brogans, wool socks, Eagle plate, US
> plate on cartridge box, and US buckle on a black leather waist
belt.
> The uniform consists of a dark blue wool sack coat, white muslin
> shirt, suspenders, and sky blue wool trousers. Sometimes a frock
> coat is worn, but I need to get one. To galvanize into a
> Confederate, all I have to do is change into a shell jacket of
> either gray or butternut, and change my hat. Instant Reb!
>
> It's a shame enlisted men couldn't carry revolvers. That's where
> your nice Remington 1858 would come in handy. Officers! They get
> everything!
>
> Good to hear from ya, bro. Take care!
>
> CJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Terry <trogers@a...>"
> <trogers@a...> wrote:
> > I recently finished an 1861 Colt Navy Confederate Kit. The
> > Conferderate model had the brass frame. I also have a Euroarms
> > Remington 1858 New Model Army in stainless with olive wood grips.
> > It's a beautiful gun that I finished off a white doe that field
> > dressed out at about 130 lbs. last year. As far as the
Springfield
> > rifle goes, it's a nice rifle but I was thinking that the
> > Confederate's primary rifle was the Enfield. I just learned that
> on
> > the History channel show "Mail Call". I guess that it depends on
> the
> > Confererate unit that you are in. Well, take care gents,
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "C.J. <bikn4god2@y...>"
> > <bikn4god2@y...> wrote:
> > > George,
> > >
> > > According to what I read, that particular Colt you have has one
> of
> > > the smoothest lines of any Colt percussion revolver ever
> produced.
> > > It is a handsome looking weapon.
> > >
> > > I am personally in love with the 1851 Colt Navy .36 caliber. It
> > > just "rings me bell", ya know it? Hope to pick up one soon.
> > >
> > > My next weapon will be an 1861 Springfield Rifled Musket. I'm
> > > supposed to be joining up with some re-enactors in the 26th
> North
> > > Carolina ( Confederate ) but galvanized out as the 24th
Michigan
> > > (Black Hats- Union ). I'm really looking forward to that. Still
> > > trying to get some more equipment. I try to pick it up as money
> > > becomes available.
> > >
> > > I've never shot a deer with a round ball. Might be an
> interesting
> > > endeavor. My Hawken fires the .495 round ball out of a 32"
> barrel
> > > with a 1-60" twist. Would like to get their 1-32" barrel so I
> can
> > > shoot conicals. Down the road.........got to get the
Springfield
> > > first!
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info! Hope to hear from you soon.
> > >
> > > CJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "George <g_r_p50@y...>"
> > > <g_r_p50@y...> wrote:
> > > > Well, if you found an 1861 Navy, I hope you can see why I had
> to
> > > have
> > > > it. LOL!!! Shooting it is like pointing a finger.
> > > >
> > > > I have a 50 TC Hawken in flint,...... Really good shooting
> rifle.
> > > > I also have a Wilderness Rifle Works, (Made by Deer Creek,)
> > > > Cumberland, 50 flint. It's plain but it is awfully nice. It's
> a
> > > full
> > > > stock with a 36" barrel.
> > > >
> > > > Loading a flintlock shorgun is easy. You just assemble a
> shotgun
> > > > shell in the bore. I have a Jackie Brown 20 gauge smoothbore.
> > > >
> > > > You pour the powder in, put a cardboard wad over it, then a
> > > cushion
> > > > wad, then the shot, and finish it with a thin overshot card.
> > Well,
> > > > it's easy to do in the garage, but when you have a turkey
> > flopping
> > > on
> > > > the ground, it gets very interesting, I assure you. LOL!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I also shoot round balls from it for deer. If you hit one in
> the
> > > > right place, there's no tracking involved with it. (323grain
> > > > RB, .600",...... nope, fight's over.)
> > > >
> > > > G_R_P

Hey, they're all good! Cut loose!  Lol!

CJ



--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Terry <trogers@a...>"
<trogers@a...> wrote:
> I meant to say that I finished off a WHITE TAIL DOE. Not a WHITE
DOE.
> Some people get a little upset at shooting albino deer.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Terry <trogers@a...>"
> <trogers@a...> wrote:
> > I recently finished an 1861 Colt Navy Confederate Kit. The
> > Conferderate model had the brass frame. I also have a Euroarms
> > Remington 1858 New Model Army in stainless with olive wood
grips.
> > It's a beautiful gun that I finished off a white doe that field
> > dressed out at about 130 lbs. last year. As far as the
Springfield
> > rifle goes, it's a nice rifle but I was thinking that the
> > Confederate's primary rifle was the Enfield. I just learned that
on
> > the History channel show "Mail Call". I guess that it depends on
> the
> > Confererate unit that you are in. Well, take care gents,
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "C.J. <bikn4god2@y...>"
> > <bikn4god2@y...> wrote:
> > > George,
> > >
> > > According to what I read, that particular Colt you have has
one
> of
> > > the smoothest lines of any Colt percussion revolver ever
> produced.
> > > It is a handsome looking weapon.
> > >
> > > I am personally in love with the 1851 Colt Navy .36 caliber.
It
> > > just "rings me bell", ya know it? Hope to pick up one soon.
> > >
> > > My next weapon will be an 1861 Springfield Rifled Musket. I'm
> > > supposed to be joining up with some re-enactors in the 26th
North
> > > Carolina ( Confederate ) but galvanized out as the 24th
Michigan
> > > (Black Hats- Union ). I'm really looking forward to that.
Still
> > > trying to get some more equipment. I try to pick it up as
money
> > > becomes available.
> > >
> > > I've never shot a deer with a round ball. Might be an
interesting
> > > endeavor. My Hawken fires the .495 round ball out of a 32"
barrel
> > > with a 1-60" twist. Would like to get their 1-32" barrel so I
can
> > > shoot conicals. Down the road.........got to get the
Springfield
> > > first!
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info! Hope to hear from you soon.
> > >
> > > CJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "George <g_r_p50@y...>"
> > > <g_r_p50@y...> wrote:
> > > > Well, if you found an 1861 Navy, I hope you can see why I
had
> to
> > > have
> > > > it. LOL!!! Shooting it is like pointing a finger.
> > > >
> > > > I have a 50 TC Hawken in flint,...... Really good shooting
> rifle.
> > > > I also have a Wilderness Rifle Works, (Made by Deer Creek,)
> > > > Cumberland, 50 flint. It's plain but it is awfully nice.
It's a
> > > full
> > > > stock with a 36" barrel.
> > > >
> > > > Loading a flintlock shorgun is easy. You just assemble a
> shotgun
> > > > shell in the bore. I have a Jackie Brown 20 gauge
smoothbore.
> > > >
> > > > You pour the powder in, put a cardboard wad over it, then a
> > > cushion
> > > > wad, then the shot, and finish it with a thin overshot card.
> > Well,
> > > > it's easy to do in the garage, but when you have a turkey
> > flopping
> > > on
> > > > the ground, it gets very interesting, I assure you. LOL!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I also shoot round balls from it for deer. If you hit one in
> the
> > > > right place, there's no tracking involved with it. (323grain
> > > > RB, .600",...... nope, fight's over.)
> > > >
> > > > G_R_P

Hey Terry,

I like the Remington 1858. It's a nice revolver. Sounds like you got
a winner there. Mine is in .36 but would like to someday get the .44
caliber.

True, the Confederates used the Enfield Rifled Musket as their
primary weapon, but it was not uncommon for them to use an 1855
Springfield in .69 caliber. They also captured many 1861
Springfields on the battlefield. Some of the other primary shoulder
weapons were the Smith Carbine ( Cavalry ), as well as the London
Armoury models and the musketoons. My friend carries an 1862 C.S.
Richmond in .58 caliber. He's wanting the Whitworth rifle.

My kit includes the 1861 Springfield .58 caliber, the 1855 cartridge
box, cap pouch, bayonet, scabbard, haversack, canteen, Hardee hat,
and in some cases, a bummer, brogans, wool socks, Eagle plate, US
plate on cartridge box, and US buckle on a black leather waist belt.
The uniform consists of a dark blue wool sack coat, white muslin
shirt, suspenders, and sky blue wool trousers. Sometimes a frock
coat is worn, but I need to get one. To galvanize into a
Confederate, all I have to do is change into a shell jacket of
either gray or butternut, and change my hat. Instant Reb!

It's a shame enlisted men couldn't carry revolvers. That's where
your nice Remington 1858 would come in handy. Officers! They get
everything!

Good to hear from ya, bro. Take care!

CJ






--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Terry <trogers@a...>"
<trogers@a...> wrote:
> I recently finished an 1861 Colt Navy Confederate Kit. The
> Conferderate model had the brass frame. I also have a Euroarms
> Remington 1858 New Model Army in stainless with olive wood grips.
> It's a beautiful gun that I finished off a white doe that field
> dressed out at about 130 lbs. last year. As far as the Springfield
> rifle goes, it's a nice rifle but I was thinking that the
> Confederate's primary rifle was the Enfield. I just learned that
on
> the History channel show "Mail Call". I guess that it depends on
the
> Confererate unit that you are in. Well, take care gents,
> Terry
>
>
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "C.J. <bikn4god2@y...>"
> <bikn4god2@y...> wrote:
> > George,
> >
> > According to what I read, that particular Colt you have has one
of
> > the smoothest lines of any Colt percussion revolver ever
produced.
> > It is a handsome looking weapon.
> >
> > I am personally in love with the 1851 Colt Navy .36 caliber. It
> > just "rings me bell", ya know it? Hope to pick up one soon.
> >
> > My next weapon will be an 1861 Springfield Rifled Musket. I'm
> > supposed to be joining up with some re-enactors in the 26th
North
> > Carolina ( Confederate ) but galvanized out as the 24th Michigan
> > (Black Hats- Union ). I'm really looking forward to that. Still
> > trying to get some more equipment. I try to pick it up as money
> > becomes available.
> >
> > I've never shot a deer with a round ball. Might be an
interesting
> > endeavor. My Hawken fires the .495 round ball out of a 32"
barrel
> > with a 1-60" twist. Would like to get their 1-32" barrel so I
can
> > shoot conicals. Down the road.........got to get the Springfield
> > first!
> >
> > Thanks for the info! Hope to hear from you soon.
> >
> > CJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "George <g_r_p50@y...>"
> > <g_r_p50@y...> wrote:
> > > Well, if you found an 1861 Navy, I hope you can see why I had
to
> > have
> > > it. LOL!!! Shooting it is like pointing a finger.
> > >
> > > I have a 50 TC Hawken in flint,...... Really good shooting
rifle.
> > > I also have a Wilderness Rifle Works, (Made by Deer Creek,)
> > > Cumberland, 50 flint. It's plain but it is awfully nice. It's
a
> > full
> > > stock with a 36" barrel.
> > >
> > > Loading a flintlock shorgun is easy. You just assemble a
shotgun
> > > shell in the bore. I have a Jackie Brown 20 gauge smoothbore.
> > >
> > > You pour the powder in, put a cardboard wad over it, then a
> > cushion
> > > wad, then the shot, and finish it with a thin overshot card.
> Well,
> > > it's easy to do in the garage, but when you have a turkey
> flopping
> > on
> > > the ground, it gets very interesting, I assure you. LOL!!!!
> > >
> > > I also shoot round balls from it for deer. If you hit one in
the
> > > right place, there's no tracking involved with it. (323grain
> > > RB, .600",...... nope, fight's over.)
> > >
> > > G_R_P

I meant to say that I finished off a WHITE TAIL DOE. Not a WHITE DOE.
Some people get a little upset at shooting albino deer.




--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Terry <trogers@a...>"
<trogers@a...> wrote:
> I recently finished an 1861 Colt Navy Confederate Kit. The
> Conferderate model had the brass frame. I also have a Euroarms
> Remington 1858 New Model Army in stainless with olive wood grips.
> It's a beautiful gun that I finished off a white doe that field
> dressed out at about 130 lbs. last year. As far as the Springfield
> rifle goes, it's a nice rifle but I was thinking that the
> Confederate's primary rifle was the Enfield. I just learned that on
> the History channel show "Mail Call". I guess that it depends on
the
> Confererate unit that you are in. Well, take care gents,
> Terry
>
>
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "C.J. <bikn4god2@y...>"
> <bikn4god2@y...> wrote:
> > George,
> >
> > According to what I read, that particular Colt you have has one
of
> > the smoothest lines of any Colt percussion revolver ever
produced.
> > It is a handsome looking weapon.
> >
> > I am personally in love with the 1851 Colt Navy .36 caliber. It
> > just "rings me bell", ya know it? Hope to pick up one soon.
> >
> > My next weapon will be an 1861 Springfield Rifled Musket. I'm
> > supposed to be joining up with some re-enactors in the 26th North
> > Carolina ( Confederate ) but galvanized out as the 24th Michigan
> > (Black Hats- Union ). I'm really looking forward to that. Still
> > trying to get some more equipment. I try to pick it up as money
> > becomes available.
> >
> > I've never shot a deer with a round ball. Might be an interesting
> > endeavor. My Hawken fires the .495 round ball out of a 32" barrel
> > with a 1-60" twist. Would like to get their 1-32" barrel so I can
> > shoot conicals. Down the road.........got to get the Springfield
> > first!
> >
> > Thanks for the info! Hope to hear from you soon.
> >
> > CJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "George <g_r_p50@y...>"
> > <g_r_p50@y...> wrote:
> > > Well, if you found an 1861 Navy, I hope you can see why I had
to
> > have
> > > it. LOL!!! Shooting it is like pointing a finger.
> > >
> > > I have a 50 TC Hawken in flint,...... Really good shooting
rifle.
> > > I also have a Wilderness Rifle Works, (Made by Deer Creek,)
> > > Cumberland, 50 flint. It's plain but it is awfully nice. It's a
> > full
> > > stock with a 36" barrel.
> > >
> > > Loading a flintlock shorgun is easy. You just assemble a
shotgun
> > > shell in the bore. I have a Jackie Brown 20 gauge smoothbore.
> > >
> > > You pour the powder in, put a cardboard wad over it, then a
> > cushion
> > > wad, then the shot, and finish it with a thin overshot card.
> Well,
> > > it's easy to do in the garage, but when you have a turkey
> flopping
> > on
> > > the ground, it gets very interesting, I assure you. LOL!!!!
> > >
> > > I also shoot round balls from it for deer. If you hit one in
the
> > > right place, there's no tracking involved with it. (323grain
> > > RB, .600",...... nope, fight's over.)
> > >
> > > G_R_P

I recently finished an 1861 Colt Navy Confederate Kit. The
Conferderate model had the brass frame. I also have a Euroarms
Remington 1858 New Model Army in stainless with olive wood grips.
It's a beautiful gun that I finished off a white doe that field
dressed out at about 130 lbs. last year. As far as the Springfield
rifle goes, it's a nice rifle but I was thinking that the
Confederate's primary rifle was the Enfield. I just learned that on
the History channel show "Mail Call". I guess that it depends on the
Confererate unit that you are in. Well, take care gents,
Terry



--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "C.J. <bikn4god2@y...>"
<bikn4god2@y...> wrote:
> George,
>
> According to what I read, that particular Colt you have has one of
> the smoothest lines of any Colt percussion revolver ever produced.
> It is a handsome looking weapon.
>
> I am personally in love with the 1851 Colt Navy .36 caliber. It
> just "rings me bell", ya know it? Hope to pick up one soon.
>
> My next weapon will be an 1861 Springfield Rifled Musket. I'm
> supposed to be joining up with some re-enactors in the 26th North
> Carolina ( Confederate ) but galvanized out as the 24th Michigan
> (Black Hats- Union ). I'm really looking forward to that. Still
> trying to get some more equipment. I try to pick it up as money
> becomes available.
>
> I've never shot a deer with a round ball. Might be an interesting
> endeavor. My Hawken fires the .495 round ball out of a 32" barrel
> with a 1-60" twist. Would like to get their 1-32" barrel so I can
> shoot conicals. Down the road.........got to get the Springfield
> first!
>
> Thanks for the info! Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> CJ
>
>
>
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "George <g_r_p50@y...>"
> <g_r_p50@y...> wrote:
> > Well, if you found an 1861 Navy, I hope you can see why I had to
> have
> > it. LOL!!! Shooting it is like pointing a finger.
> >
> > I have a 50 TC Hawken in flint,...... Really good shooting rifle.
> > I also have a Wilderness Rifle Works, (Made by Deer Creek,)
> > Cumberland, 50 flint. It's plain but it is awfully nice. It's a
> full
> > stock with a 36" barrel.
> >
> > Loading a flintlock shorgun is easy. You just assemble a shotgun
> > shell in the bore. I have a Jackie Brown 20 gauge smoothbore.
> >
> > You pour the powder in, put a cardboard wad over it, then a
> cushion
> > wad, then the shot, and finish it with a thin overshot card.
Well,
> > it's easy to do in the garage, but when you have a turkey
flopping
> on
> > the ground, it gets very interesting, I assure you. LOL!!!!
> >
> > I also shoot round balls from it for deer. If you hit one in the
> > right place, there's no tracking involved with it. (323grain
> > RB, .600",...... nope, fight's over.)
> >
> > G_R_P

George,

According to what I read, that particular Colt you have has one of
the smoothest lines of any Colt percussion revolver ever produced.
It is a handsome looking weapon.

I am personally in love with the 1851 Colt Navy .36 caliber. It
just "rings me bell", ya know it? Hope to pick up one soon.

My next weapon will be an 1861 Springfield Rifled Musket. I'm
supposed to be joining up with some re-enactors in the 26th North
Carolina ( Confederate ) but galvanized out as the 24th Michigan
(Black Hats- Union ). I'm really looking forward to that. Still
trying to get some more equipment. I try to pick it up as money
becomes available.

I've never shot a deer with a round ball. Might be an interesting
endeavor. My Hawken fires the .495 round ball out of a 32" barrel
with a 1-60" twist. Would like to get their 1-32" barrel so I can
shoot conicals. Down the road.........got to get the Springfield
first!

Thanks for the info! Hope to hear from you soon.

CJ




--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "George <g_r_p50@y...>"
<g_r_p50@y...> wrote:
> Well, if you found an 1861 Navy, I hope you can see why I had to
have
> it. LOL!!! Shooting it is like pointing a finger.
>
> I have a 50 TC Hawken in flint,...... Really good shooting rifle.
> I also have a Wilderness Rifle Works, (Made by Deer Creek,)
> Cumberland, 50 flint. It's plain but it is awfully nice. It's a
full
> stock with a 36" barrel.
>
> Loading a flintlock shorgun is easy. You just assemble a shotgun
> shell in the bore. I have a Jackie Brown 20 gauge smoothbore.
>
> You pour the powder in, put a cardboard wad over it, then a
cushion
> wad, then the shot, and finish it with a thin overshot card. Well,
> it's easy to do in the garage, but when you have a turkey flopping
on
> the ground, it gets very interesting, I assure you. LOL!!!!
>
> I also shoot round balls from it for deer. If you hit one in the
> right place, there's no tracking involved with it. (323grain
> RB, .600",...... nope, fight's over.)
>
> G_R_P

Well, if you found an 1861 Navy, I hope you can see why I had to have
it. LOL!!! Shooting it is like pointing a finger.

I have a 50 TC Hawken in flint,...... Really good shooting rifle.
I also have a Wilderness Rifle Works, (Made by Deer Creek,)
Cumberland, 50 flint. It's plain but it is awfully nice. It's a full
stock with a 36" barrel.

Loading a flintlock shorgun is easy. You just assemble a shotgun
shell in the bore. I have a Jackie Brown 20 gauge smoothbore.

You pour the powder in, put a cardboard wad over it, then a cushion
wad, then the shot, and finish it with a thin overshot card. Well,
it's easy to do in the garage, but when you have a turkey flopping on
the ground, it gets very interesting, I assure you. LOL!!!!

I also shoot round balls from it for deer. If you hit one in the
right place, there's no tracking involved with it. (323grain
RB, .600",...... nope, fight's over.)

G_R_P

Hello group.  I wonder if anyone can direct me to a forum or board
where classified ads for sales or trades of muzzleloaders takes
place?  Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

Hi all,
I would appreciate any advise members can offer about a problem I'm
having putting together a Traditions Hawken Rifle kit (my first
muzzleloader).

I did minor stock inletting to test-fit the lock and trigger group.
At this point, the parts fit snugly, but the trigger fails to trip
the sear.  I can't see inside the stock when I fit both parts to see
what the problem is...Before I start the process of incrementally
inletting the stock on both the side and the bottom, I was wondering
if anyone knew if it was more common for kits to position the:
1)trigger group too low (missing the sear) OR
2)Lock mechanism too far to the right side (missing the trigger bar)

I will appreciate hearing about any similar experiences you have had.
-Thanks
Rich

Does anyone know this group?

George,

Brother, you were dead right! I went to lookin' for that '61 Colt
Navy, and sure enough, I found it. I found in on the Jedediah Starr
Trading Post site. Not a bad looking piece. Still can't figure out
how I missed that. Can someone have a "Senior" moment at 40 years
old? If so, I think I had one.

Appreciate the info!

CJ

Hey George,

Appreciate the welcome!

You say a 1861 Colt .36? Do you mean an 1851 Colt Navy .36? I've
seen the 1851 Navy Colts, "Wild Bill" Hickock carried a pair of 'em.
I'm not familiar with a '61. If I'm missin' out on something here,
fill me in, you've got me all curious now!  LOL!

You know, alot of people snicker at a .36 caliber revolver, but I
like those little pill tossers. Some of the best shooters carried
those .36's. Can't be all bad, eh?

I've got the itch for a '60 Colt Army in .44. Found a few good deals
on the net. Now I've got to scratch up some $$, and order the thing.

Brother, I've never in my life shot a blackpowder shotgun. <hanging
my head in shame> Wouldn't even know how to load one of those
smokepoles. But heck, I'd have a blast learnin'.

2 flintlocks, you say? What kind ya got? And please don't tell me a
Pennsylvania rifle. < I'll have to get a mop to soak the drool up
off the floor > I love those rifles. Someday when my employer has
mercy on me and gives me a raise, I'm gonna get one of those fine
weapons! That, and a Sharps! < The Lord willing , of course! >

Take care, and God Bless!

CJ




--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "George <g_r_p50@y...>"
<g_r_p50@y...> wrote:
> Recently, I got ahold of a Colt 1861 Navy in 36,... What a hoot!
>
> For the most part, I'm a traditionalist, own 2 flintlock rifles
and a
> flintlock 20 gauge. (You haven't had a rush until you get a BP
> gobbler!)
>
> Welcome to the fold.

Recently, I got ahold of a Colt 1861 Navy in 36,... What a hoot!

For the most part, I'm a traditionalist, own 2 flintlock rifles and a
flintlock 20 gauge. (You haven't had a rush until you get a BP
gobbler!)

Welcome to the fold.

BP,

Call me old fashioned, but I like those musket caps. I hadn't had
one balk on me yet. Everyone seems to be going to those 209's, but I
just can't do it.

3 out of 4 in the 10 ring? Not bad. I wouldn't sneeze at that group.
That'll put meat in the freezer. Now ya gotta go find the meat!

Good luck, man!

CJ






--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "bpoutdoors <bpoutdoors@y...>"
<bpoutdoors@y...> wrote:
> Shot two groups of 4 with the Remington 700ML and three out of 4
> were in the "10" circle and te fourth was just outside the "10"
> circle.  All shots at 100 yards, 240gr 44 cal Hornady bullet and
100
> gr pyrodex.  Musket caps seem far more reliable in the set up than
> the 209 system.  Cant figure that out....
>
> Shot some 45 cal traditional percussion also, its incredibly fun
> either way.
>
> Hope you are all getting a chance to make smoke!!!

Mickey,

It would depend on if you want to use the modern in-line rifles, or
stick to tradional rifles. Usually, most folks put scopes on their
in-line rifles, so that'll bring your cost up a little. You don't
have to use a scope, they have good stock sights on these guns
nowadays. But if you choose an optic, that'll cost you more.

In-lines in the $300 range will be the CVA's, some of the Traditions
models, and maybe a Thompson, if you get 'em on sale.

If you like the traditional sidelocks, then you can go with the
Hawken type rifles. To go with a good Pennsylvania or Kentucky
rifle, you're getting into the $400-$500+ range. So that'd be a bit
out of your budget. Sometimes you can find one on sale somewhere if
you look hard enough.

For a gun in a tight budget, you might might to go with the CVA's or
even the Lymans if you find one on sale. I got mine for under $400.
And it's a fine made rifle. The problem is, you can find the type of
rifle you like, but they may only offer it in a barrel that shoots
only round ball. Like a 1-66" or 1-60" twist. To shoot a conical or
a sabot round you're going to need at least a 1-32" or something
like that.

My rifle sports a 1-60" twist, and I can only punch a round ball
through it. I'm currently shooting a .495 round ball. But, the good
thing about Lyman, you can get another barrel for about $150.

For convenience, you can go with a percussion gun. Don't have to
worry about moisture in your powder. Flintlocks are cool and fun to
shoot, but require some additional accouterments as well as priming
powder. You can get by priming with FFFg powder in a pinch, but
mostly it's recommended to prime with FFFFg. With a percussion gun,
you don't have to worry about that.

Some of the new inlines can fire with either the #11 cap, a musket
cap ( which I like best ) and the 209 shotgun primer. Your choice.

Some folks like Pyrodex. It's ok. But I'm into "Black Powder", so I
shoot the real thing. A little messier to clean up, and it corrodes
your metal parts if you don't clean it up quick. And it fouls more
than Pyrodex. But doggone, you can't beat all that fine smoke! Goex
has come out with an equivilent called "Clear Shot". I haven't tried
it yet, but would like to. Any of you boys know a dealer in NC?

Good luck on your hunt for a rifle. I hope I helped ya a little
bit.  You'll turn up something good and then you'll be makin' meat!
Hope to hear some good hunting stories from ya!

CJ




--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "mscan1881" <mnscan@a...>
wrote:
> Please help me. I would like to start Muzzleloading this year for
> whitetail deer in Michigan. I'm thinking inline with scope and
> shooting sabots. A friend told me thats what he has and is happy.
> Please help me with what kind of gun is best for me. Budget around
> 300.00 dollars to get set-up and hunting. Any help would be
greatly
> appreciated. Thank You, Mickey Scanlon

My name is CJ, I'm new to your group.

I've been shootin' blackpowder for about 15 years or so now. I
currently have a Lyman Hawken Flintlock .50 caliber, an 1858
Remington Navy .36 revolver, and a  '62 Colt Police .36 caliber
revolver. For non-traditional shooting/hunting, I've got a
Traditions .50 caliber in-line. ( But my favorites are the
traditional weapons )

Glad to be aboard. Hope to be talking with you all.

CJ