Hi all, new to the site and thought I'd introduce myself. I was into the
muzzleloading scene back in the '90's, but kids, bills, etc. forced me to sell
pretty much everything I had, including a gorgeous Centermark Fusil de Chasse.

So here I am 10 years later, looking to get back into it and wanting another
Fusil, and thought I pick the brains of the experts on available kits and their
quality - any input would be appreciated.

HBinKC

Oh a 35 or 36" barrel would be long enough to burn all the powder period.
Something like a Jim Chambers pattern Edward Marshall rifle comes to mind for a
slightly longer barrel.

On second thought it might be a bit heavy. Even though it has a sling it has a
two piece stock? It is most likely a straight barrel. The Pedersoli Jagger has a
straight barrel and is pretty heavy. The .54 is right with 1:65 twist. I would
try to keep the weight down by using a swamped barrel. It would balance better
too. There may be a happy medium with recoil reducing stock design and lightest
weight possible. I wouldn't want to hold a heavy-ish rifle all day. On the other
hand I wouldn't want to shoot an overly light rifle all day either. Food for
thought.

Hi All,
I'm new to the group and I'm looking for plans, info, etc for a wooden range
box.

thanks
BBlack

Hmm. Looking at it again maybe 3 or even 4 inches longer for me. the second one
just keeps looking better. What can I say..... I'm bored.

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "daniel oconnell" <todanieloconnell@...>
wrote:
>
> Beech wood turned bowls
>
> Hold one pint, perfect for haversack
>
> $18 plus shipping (limited quantities)
>
> inquire direct: ToDanielOConnell@...
>


Osage Orange bowls would be really nice looking if you could just use the
heartwood. I'd charge a premium because it would be tough on tools. I love the
color but it fades. Persimmon wood might be cool too if it were only the dark
heartwood

I thought of buying a Pedersoli Jaeger at one point when they first came out.
I'd opt for a slow twist version not the 1:24 twist version if I had to buy one.
I just don't like short barreled guns that much either. The first thing I
learned was about sight radius. Longer barrels were more accurate only because
of a longer sight radius. Also barrel length should reflect a man's height and
arm length ideally. I have long arms and would want a longer barrel just because
of that. The more I look at the second firearm in that link the more I like it.
Doesn't state if it's a smoothbore or not but I like the looks of it too. Maybe
it's the roman nose stock. Again that may or may not be practical depending
again on a man's build or style of shooting. Actually the first one could be a
tad longer. I did not look at the Pedersoli twist rates but for roundball
(hunting) the following twist rates are best and proven... .45 cal.- 1:56 .50
cal.- 1:60 .54 cal.- 1:66 .58 cal.and up- 1:72. For deer I would opt for a .54
caliber after alot of consideration about this. It's a good general choice for
big game in general too. A .58 Christian Springs rifle would not be totally out
of the question for me. The buttstock of a Christian Springs rifle would enable
a .58 caliber barrel to be comfortable to shoot. A .54 caliber rifle like the
one in the first shown in the link seems perfect to me. Just another inch or
two. I have put a whole lot of thought into the perfect deer rifle (for me).





--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "John H." <backwardsturtle2@...> wrote:
>
> If I had the money right now, I think I'd buy a Pedersoli Jaeger, and, using
the picture you posted, I'd personalize the Pedersoli.
>
> J.

Beech wood turned bowls

Hold one pint, perfect for haversack

$18 plus shipping (limited quantities)

inquire direct: ToDanielOConnell@...

Hello, I joined this group in order to glean as much info on black powder
shooting as possible. I am new to this sport and require a lot of information.

I aquired a Texas New Army .44 caliber revolver real cheap but it needs nipples.
The gun was imported by Richland Arms and I believe it was manufactured by
Palmetto in Italy. Does anybody have an idea what size nipples it takes and
where I might be able to obtain them?

Also, within the past week, I stumbled on what I thought were pretty good deals.
A Cabela's Confederate Navy in .44 for 104.00 NIB and a CVA Hawken in .50 for
225.00 used.
 George,Sun City, AZ

Dont forget the annual gunmakers fair held at Dixons Muzzleloading Shop in
Kempton PA.  Details on Dixons website including directions and list of events 
Dates Friday July 24,Saturday July 25 Sunday July 26   good time for all (my
kids had a ball)  Thank You for your time      Bison

If I had the money right now, I think I'd buy a Pedersoli Jaeger, and, using the
picture you posted, I'd personalize the Pedersoli.

J.


----- Original Message -----
From: preliner
To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/1/2009 9:58:58 AM
Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Rifle to look at





I like the looks of this rifle. The cock is unique too. It might be a nice rifle
to copy. It just looks cool. I just get bored and post things I find on forums.
German and Austrian rifles often have sling attachmemnts which I think is
practical. This rifle doe's not have the familiar stepped wrist of Jaegers but
it is German. The second one is most definately NOT like a Jaeger except for the
elaborate decoration. Jaegers could be found with longer barrels up to 36 inches
but the short barrels worked best in places like the dense Black Forest. I don't
particularly like real short barrels. I just really like this rifle and this
place is dead so here it is....

http://littlegun.be/arme%20allemande/artisan%20o%20p%20q%20r/a%20pistor%20bernar\
d%20und%20ernst%20gb.htm




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I like the looks of this rifle. The cock is unique too. It might be a nice rifle
to copy. It just looks cool. I just get bored and post things I find on forums.
German and Austrian rifles often have sling attachmemnts which I think is
practical. This rifle doe's not have the familiar stepped wrist of Jaegers but
it is German. The second one is most definately NOT like a Jaeger except for the
elaborate decoration. Jaegers could be found with longer barrels up to 36 inches
but the short barrels worked best in places like the dense Black Forest. I don't
particularly like real short barrels. I just really like this rifle and this
place is dead so here it is....

http://littlegun.be/arme%20allemande/artisan%20o%20p%20q%20r/a%20pistor%20bernar\
d%20und%20ernst%20gb.htm

Ok I had to ask the expert (Markkw) on this question. Here is his response...

'For the ML, you may want to try "BB" size lead shot at 0.180" if you're going
to patch it (don't think it'll be easy) or better yet would be #4 Buck at 0.240"
if the groove depth doesn't exceed the pellet diameter it can be loaded without
a patch. Either way, you'll need to keep that little bore clean.'

He said he has not seen lead airgun balls in 25 years but I saw some tins of
Gamo lead airgun balls in .22 caliber and .177.



--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "preliner" <preliner@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "wiggywak25" <wiggywak25@> wrote:
> >
> > I was hoping someone could tell me the grain used and also where can I find
the .22 lead. Thank You
>
>
> Here is info on air rifle diameter vs. rimfire. I would NOT try using air
rifle pellets in a blackpowder firearm.
>
> http://www.pyramydair.com/site/articles/calibers/
>

I liked the ebony flintlock pistols.

http://www.littlegun.be/

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "wiggywak25" <wiggywak25@...> wrote:
>
> I was hoping someone could tell me the grain used and also where can I find
the .22 lead. Thank You


Here is info on air rifle diameter vs. rimfire. I would NOT try using air rifle
pellets in a blackpowder firearm.

http://www.pyramydair.com/site/articles/calibers/

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "wiggywak25" <wiggywak25@...> wrote:
>
> I was hoping someone could tell me the grain used and also where can I find
the .22 lead. Thank You
>

wiggy,


I have an idea for you. If you are looking for roundballs there are lead .22
caliber air rifle balls. I don't know if they would work or not because air
rifles do not use patches. If the barrel is smoothbore they might work. I know
very little about air rifles. Otherwise you could use conicals if the barrel is
rifled.

Richard

I was hoping someone could tell me the grain used and also where can I find the
.22 lead. Thank You

I collect older guns 1900-1960 I received a newer .22 cal black powder Derringer
I never had a one before and was wondering about what the grain was to load and
also where a place was to purchase .22 cal balls I did a quick search and didn't
see.

                       Thanks
                           Ludwig

i am sorry to hear of your situation.   I was a near full time caretaker of my
grandfather for some time ,and most people dont have a clue as to how it really
changes your life.   i wish i knew if you where near me( indiana0   i would try
to help you with her so you could have a little time for yourself.   It really
is important to care for you as well.   anyhow.   as far as selling your guns
are concerned,   i would list them here.   if that doesnt work,   i would try
selling to a pawn shop( you wont get what they are worth likely)    then local
gun shops,  although some dont specialize in muzzleloaders,   then
gunbroker.com, and auctionarms.com
 
 
i wish i knew what you had i could well be interested.
 
 
thanks and good luck,
 
d

On Mon, 5/11/09, Jeff Jones <Jeff.Jones@...> wrote:


From: Jeff Jones <Jeff.Jones@...>
Subject: RE: [Muzzleloaders] Where to sell rifles?
To: "Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com" <Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 12:18 PM








I might be interested depending on what you have?

Jeff in AZ

From: Muzzleloaders@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Muzzleloaders@ yahoogroups. com]
On Behalf Of Kevin W
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:47 AM
To: Muzzleloaders@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Where to sell rifles?

Hi guys,
Been a long time lurker but now have a need to post. I am not able to get out
any more and shoot (my wife has ms and I am fulltime caregiver) - been this way
for about 6 years - so I finally decided to sell my rifles. Is there any place
any of you could recommend where folks sell and buy muzzle loaders?
Thanks
Kevin

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I have:


TC Hawken in 50 cal  $250
Traditions Ridge Runner Scoped  in 50 cal  $150
RARE Winchester 150 in 45 cal  $200



From: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Womack
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:37 AM
To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Muzzleloaders] Where to sell rifles?





What have you got?

ymhbiC

Bryan(Griz)Womack
Confederate Legion

"The true patriot does not love his government. The true patriot loves his
country and watches his government."

Life's journey is not about arriving at the grave in a well preserved body, but
rather sliding in sideways, totally worn out, screaming - "HOLY COW MAN, WHAT A
RIDE!"

http://www.biblegateway.com

http://confederatelegion.com/

http://www.bikerornot.com/grizs50





--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Kevin W <winks147@...<mailto:winks147%40cox.net>>
wrote:

From: Kevin W <winks147@...<mailto:winks147%40cox.net>>
Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Where to sell rifles?
To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Muzzleloaders%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 9:46 AM

Hi guys,
Been a long time lurker but now have a need to post. I am not able to get out
any more and shoot (my wife has ms and I am fulltime caregiver) - been this way
for about 6 years - so I finally decided to sell my rifles. Is there any place
any of you could recommend where folks sell and buy muzzle loaders?
Thanks
Kevin

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I might be interested depending on what you have?


Jeff in AZ

From: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin W
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:47 AM
To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Where to sell rifles?





Hi guys,
Been a long time lurker but now have a need to post. I am not able to get out
any more and shoot (my wife has ms and I am fulltime caregiver) - been this way
for about 6 years - so I finally decided to sell my rifles. Is there any place
any of you could recommend where folks sell and buy muzzle loaders?
Thanks
Kevin



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Where are you located?


----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin W
To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/11/2009 10:46:49 AM
Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Where to sell rifles?





Hi guys,
Been a long time lurker but now have a need to post. I am not able to get out
any more and shoot (my wife has ms and I am fulltime caregiver) - been this way
for about 6 years - so I finally decided to sell my rifles. Is there any place
any of you could recommend where folks sell and buy muzzle loaders?
Thanks
Kevin




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Try Track of the Wolf.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(hwtgv5foo253bx45vcg0px45))/Index.aspx


----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin W
To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/11/2009 10:46:49 AM
Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Where to sell rifles?





Hi guys,
Been a long time lurker but now have a need to post. I am not able to get out
any more and shoot (my wife has ms and I am fulltime caregiver) - been this way
for about 6 years - so I finally decided to sell my rifles. Is there any place
any of you could recommend where folks sell and buy muzzle loaders?
Thanks
Kevin




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What have you got?





ymhbiC

Bryan(Griz)Womack 
Confederate Legion
 
"The true patriot does not love his government. The true patriot loves his
country and watches his government."

Life's journey is not about arriving at the grave in a well preserved body, but
rather sliding in sideways, totally worn out, screaming - "HOLY COW MAN, WHAT A
RIDE!"

http://www.biblegateway.com
 
http://confederatelegion.com/
 
http://www.bikerornot.com/grizs50
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Kevin W <winks147@...> wrote:

From: Kevin W <winks147@...>
Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Where to sell rifles?
To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 9:46 AM








Hi guys,
Been a long time lurker but now have a need to post. I am not able to get out
any more and shoot (my wife has ms and I am fulltime caregiver) - been this way
for about 6 years - so I finally decided to sell my rifles. Is there any place
any of you could recommend where folks sell and buy muzzle loaders?
Thanks
Kevin



















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Where are you located ? Gunbroker.com is good , I have sold guns there !
Gary
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kevin W
   To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:46 AM
   Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Where to sell rifles?


   Hi guys,
   Been a long time lurker but now have a need to post.  I am not able to get out
any more and shoot (my wife has ms and I am fulltime caregiver) - been this way
for about 6 years - so I finally decided to sell my rifles.  Is there any place
any of you could recommend where folks sell and buy muzzle loaders?
   Thanks
   Kevin



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Hi guys,
Been a long time lurker but now have a need to post.  I am not able to get out
any more and shoot (my wife has ms and I am fulltime caregiver) - been this way
for about 6 years - so I finally decided to sell my rifles.  Is there any place
any of you could recommend where folks sell and buy muzzle loaders?
Thanks
Kevin

Does anybody have a photo of a wooden pistol stand (for loading and cleaning)
that I can see.  I'm getting ready to make one and want to make sure I don't
overlook anything.

Ron (MI)

I don't like the sights on the Pedersoli rifle. I think i'd rather make one
myself. look at this. Interchangable barrels make sense. This auction just
ended. Drats..... LOL

http://www.juliaauctions.com/auctions/div_catalog_264_sh.asp

Lot 1180.  TRULY SPECTACULAR PAIR. JAMES PURDEY PERCUSSION DOUBLE RIFLE AND
SHOTGUN WITH ORIGINAL CASE AND ACCESSORIES.  Est: $60,000.00 - $90,000.00

SOLD: $54,625.00  Wow!

There are lots of other nice things too. I liked the Wolfgang haga rifle and
John Manton rifle at the bottom. The 1861 colt prototype too. Heck, it's fun to
look at them anyway. I could never afford any of these treasures.




--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "The Backwards Turtle"
<backwardsturtle2@...> wrote:
>
> Pedersoli makes a double-barrel shotgun, a double-barreled rifle, and a gun
that has one rifled and one smooth-bore barrel.  Track of the Wolf was selling
one a few days ago.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: preliner
> To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 4/2/2009 2:43:33 PM
> Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Double Guns
>
>
> Doe's anyone have a double barrel rifle or shotgun? I like the idea of a
double rifle that would have interchangable shotgun barrels and work well either
way. It would cost a pretty penny to make. There might be problems to overcome
with such a firearm but it might be an excellent gun to have for hunting. I know
shotgun stocks are not designed the same as rifle stocks. What might be some
disadvantages of such a gun?
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Pedersoli makes a double-barrel shotgun, a double-barreled rifle, and a gun that
has one rifled and one smooth-bore barrel.  Track of the Wolf was selling one a
few days ago.


----- Original Message -----
From: preliner
To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 4/2/2009 2:43:33 PM
Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Double Guns


Doe's anyone have a double barrel rifle or shotgun? I like the idea of a double
rifle that would have interchangable shotgun barrels and work well either way.
It would cost a pretty penny to make. There might be problems to overcome with
such a firearm but it might be an excellent gun to have for hunting. I know
shotgun stocks are not designed the same as rifle stocks. What might be some
disadvantages of such a gun?




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Sounds like a great buy , I shoot a flint .40 Hatfield and it likes 45 grains of
fff with a .440 ball and a 15-17 patch ! Good shooting .
Gary
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Drifter
   To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:47 PM
   Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Loads for Pedersoli Kentucky .45 flint rifle??


   I just picked up a Pedersoli Kentucky flint .45 at my local gun shop, used,
well, they sold it as used, looks like it was never fired to me and it's in
excellent condition ... anyway I've searched the net for ball diam. and powder
loads for this and have come up empty handed ... sort of that is ... Pedersoli
recommends 40 grains powder, a .445 ball with a .10 patch. I have loads of .15
patches I use with my Hawken and I'd like to use them in this rifle, anyone know
what the right size ball would be for a .15 patch?  Also 40 grains of powder
seems low, my .50 Hawken uses 90 ... anyone have any experience with the
Pedersoli Kentucky rifle?  I could not find a user manual on line either ...
Pedersoli does not offer them as downloads ... anyone have a PDF version to go
with my new gun??

   I wasn't actually looking for anything when I stopped in to the shop ... but
they had this Pedersoli in the "bargain" rack for $160.00 and could not pass it
up ... sometimes you get lucky ...

   Thanks ...

   Drifter



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