Invitation:

October 25th, Northville Michigan, Autumn Social hosted by King's 8th  Regiment

Cider, Donuts, Pie, Cheeses, Meats, Fencing and Fencing Lessons, Hat
  re-blocking and pipeclaying. Now that's a combination!

  Anyone wishing to attend RSVP to:   ToDanielOConnell@...
  more information.

We are having a 'social' with fall foods/refreshments at the Cady Inn in Mill
Race Historical Village. The Historical Village is in downtown Northville
Michigan at 215 Griswold. A simple map search for "215 Griswold, Northville
Michigan 48167" will provide you with directions.

This is not a reenactor 'event' but it is a social sponsored by our King's 8th
Regiment www.kings8th.com open to the public. If you go to our website you'll
see a picture of the Cady Inn on our "monthly meeting' link.

We are not dressing in period clothing although anyone attending can dress as
they wish and if they feel comfortable in period clothing that's great.

Hours of our social are strictly between 11am and 4pm. It's a appreciated if
most people arrive after 11am and before 1pm as we begin to wind down about 3pm.

The Cady has a wood burning fireplace, weather permitting we'll have fencing
practice, there will be a steamer and hat block for refurbishing cocked hats,
autumn refreshments and good company.

It's important that people attending RSVP and let us know the number of people
they are attending/bringing as a courtesy to our shopping for our guests and
having enough refreshment. Likewise, please don't say you are attending and not
showing as we don't want to waste food.

This is about all the information we have other than you'll have a great time.

Don't forget to RSVP with numbers.

Daniel O'Connell
www.kings8th.com

Invitation:

October 25th, Northville Michigan, Autumn Social at historic Cady Inn hosted by
King's 8th Regiment

Cider, Donuts, Pie, Cheeses, Meats, Fencing and Fencing Lessons, Hat
re-blocking, pipeclaying and a real fireplace. Now that's a combination!

Anyone wishing to attend RSVP to:   ToDanielOConnell@...    we'll send
directions and more information.

Daniel O'Connell
King's 8th
www.kings8th.com

Pictures of New Oven at Fort Michilimackinac this weekend at King's 8th visit to
Michili:

http://gallery.me.com/kings8th#100163&bgcolor=black&view=grid

O'Connell
www.kings8th.com

The King's 8th Regiment (full scale wargamers) will be at Mill Race Historical
Village (Northville MI) this Sunday from 11am to 4pm.

Looking forward to seeing anyone on this list.

Our website is www.kings8th.com

Daniel O'Connell
www.kings8th.com


for some fun view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIrOzml-wDc

video at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhvCyO0wGxM

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This is getting a little interesting to me. I would of course prefer a rifle for
deer hunting not a smoothbore but a .62 caliber smoothbore fowler or smoothrifle
could serve as both a deer,elk,moose,whatever gun and a turkey,duck,goose,
whatever gun. There would need to be short shots for big game but I am thinking
most shots are relatively short. This is defineately worth discussing. does
anyone hunt only with a fowler or smoothrifle? I'd like to hear about it.

This is Jim Chamber's transitional (Edward Marshall) rifle. it was built by him
and it states on his site that it is what he personally hunts with. I think such
a rifle has alot going for it. It may appear ugly at first but it gets prettier
and prettier to me.

A transitional rifle like this has a shorter barrel but enough to burn all the
powder. 42" or 44" barrels are not needed. it's overkill.

It is similar to a Jaeger in stock design and everyone raves about how Jaegers
handle. The stock design is very suitable for .58 caliber or even larger and
will handle recoil well. Minimum .54 for deer or larger caliber is a better for
hunting. Bigger holes. Quicker kill. Less adrenaline in meat and easier
tracking.

You might be able to get away with a sling which would be practical. I wouldnt
put one on the Edward Marshall rifle though.

The rifle is on top

http://www.ricebarrels.com/index.html

Any comments?





--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "preliner" <preliner@...> wrote:
>
>
> Pecatonica River has a "transitional Kentucky rifle". It would be cool with a
Jaeger sling. That may make a practical hunting rifle in .54 caliber or larger.
Chambers locks would be better though. Green mountain barrels arent the best.
Long Hammock, Rice or Getz barrels are better. Twist rate is important too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "preliner" <preliner@> wrote:
> >
> > Oh a 35 or 36" barrel would be long enough to burn all the powder period.
Something like a Jim Chambers pattern Edward Marshall rifle comes to mind for a
slightly longer barrel.
>

I have had the same experience many times at the range, but not always young
kids. College kids once, some r&r marines another time, and some PD black
rifle guys. Some times they will approach you with a question or ask to
borrow a tool (we always bring lots of stuff). Some times I will ask them to
spot a target for me. I always offer them a chance to shoot a black powder
rifle, and the expression on their face when they hit that target is
priceless. Most folks are amazed how accurate these rifles can be. I try to
convert as many folks as I can.
Mike S

-----Original Message-----
From: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Ken Nellis
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:21 PM
To: Muzzleloaders Muzzleloaders
Subject: RE: [Muzzleloaders] Kids shooting


Hi Bear:



Good to hear from you again.  I know you from the old MLML.



It's great that you were a Good Will Ambassador for "side lock round ball".
We can always use a few more friends.  It poured rain here in upstate NY
today, but maybe I can get out tomorrow.  I browned my new "Hudson Valley
Fouler" today and hope to pattern it with a few different load combinations
tomorrow.

Ken


> To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
> From: bold-venture@...
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:58:42 +0000
> Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Kids shooting
>
> Hi all,
> Bear here. I Just had a great day. I was up at the range where I usually
shoot. There was a family shooting 22s near me. One of the dads asked if
they could look at my Plains Rifle. Before long all of them including the
kids were trying out black powder. We all had a great time. They actually
asked if I would like to meet later for lunch.
> The thing is I just went up for a few hours to shoot. Nothing special, but
at the end of the day I think I had a better time than they did.
>
> The point is, Sharing what we do with others may bring more people into BP
shooting. And its a lot of fun too!
> Bear
>
>
>
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Hi Bear:



Good to hear from you again.  I know you from the old MLML.



It's great that you were a Good Will Ambassador for "side lock round ball".  We
can always use a few more friends.  It poured rain here in upstate NY today, but
maybe I can get out tomorrow.  I browned my new "Hudson Valley Fouler" today and
hope to pattern it with a few different load combinations tomorrow.

Ken


> To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
> From: bold-venture@...
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:58:42 +0000
> Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Kids shooting
>
> Hi all,
> Bear here. I Just had a great day. I was up at the range where I usually
shoot. There was a family shooting 22s near me. One of the dads asked if they
could look at my Plains Rifle. Before long all of them including the kids were
trying out black powder. We all had a great time. They actually asked if I would
like to meet later for lunch.
> The thing is I just went up for a few hours to shoot. Nothing special, but at
the end of the day I think I had a better time than they did.
>
> The point is, Sharing what we do with others may bring more people into BP
shooting. And its a lot of fun too!
> Bear
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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Hunting and Outdoor resources. Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Hi all,
Bear here.  I Just had a great day.  I was up at the range where I usually
shoot.  There was a family shooting 22s near me.  One of the dads asked if they
could look at my Plains Rifle.  Before long all of them including the kids were
trying out black powder.  We all had a great time.  They actually asked if I
would like to meet later for lunch.
The thing is I just went up for a few hours to shoot.  Nothing special, but at
the end of the day I think I had a better time than they did.

The point is, Sharing what we do with others may bring more people into BP
shooting.  And its a lot of fun too!
Bear

Pecatonica River has a "transitional Kentucky rifle". It would be cool with a
Jaeger sling. That may make a practical hunting rifle in .54 caliber or larger.
Chambers locks would be better though. Green mountain barrels arent the best.
Long Hammock, Rice or Getz barrels are better. Twist rate is important too.








--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "preliner" <preliner@...> wrote:
>
> Oh a 35 or 36" barrel would be long enough to burn all the powder period.
Something like a Jim Chambers pattern Edward Marshall rifle comes to mind for a
slightly longer barrel.

You  might  enjoy  photos  here  of  some  Muzzleloader  hunts...
_www.trophyridgeranch.com (http://www.trophyridgeranch.com)

http://www.bp-Outdoors.com/

> O'Connell
> www.kings8th.com

Looks lovely!  But what is that steam coming out of the side from, and how come
the sails aren't up?  You folks must have caught the tides just right to be
swept out into the lake and then back into harbor with no visible means of
propulsion!  ;>)

Actually, I'm jealous.  That took a lot of work to put together; I hope you
folks all have a lot of fun times out sailing her.

-Kees-

http://gallery.me.com/kings8th#100150&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=36

this link 'works'

you'll find pics of the HMAS leaving Charlevoix Channel into Lake Michigan with
heavy seas,
the ship turning around after snapping the boom support in the stern and the
ship shooting
the Charlevoix channel in rough waters.

O'Connell
www.kings8th.com

Reenactor Training Kamp


The King's 8th is pleased to announce the July 12th grand opening of our

Training and Reconditioning Centre.

Activities include:

* Tailoring and fitting Regimental Coats in natural light
* Inauthentic Food. See the food, taste the food and remember to avoid
* Clothing/fashions to avoid.. Look and remember but don't touch
* Training new recruits at an early age. Salted Cod, Sun & Thirst.
* Bait and Switch tactics for recruiting.
* What to do when your tall ship sinks.
* Recognizing mutinous behaviour, subversive personalities and ingratitude
traits. Special instructor Dave Smith.

We are proud of our members who contributed to the many man hours and funds
required in building this Training and Reconditioning Centre or as we like to
refer to as King's 8th Kamp. Earth moving
requirements were enormous.

Views of our Centre and reconditioning Kamp may be seen at:

http://gallery.me.com/kings8th#100125

Daniel O'Connel
www.kings8th.com

I loaded the photos of Fort Niagara's French Camp in large format. Pictures are
a panoramic series from Left-To-Right

....... go to:    www.Kings8th.com

  on the home page click "GALLERY" at the Gallery page click "Gallery"

O'Connell
www.kings8th.com

Hi Garry!



Ask away; if we know the answers we'll pass them on to you.  If we don't we'll
make something up  ;)

Ken


> To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
> From: gigbullfrog@...
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 05:56:31 +0000
> Subject: [Muzzleloaders] lyman great plains 50 flint
>
> my name is garry robinson. ive been shooting muzzleloaders about 5 yrs so im
still green there i geuss. i shoot a lyman gret plains 50 flint. if yall dont
mind ill be askin alot of questions . garry r
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HBinKC:



I've heard that Track of the Wolf and Tennessee Valley Mfg. both put out good
quality kits.  For more information join the Muzzleloading Board at
http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/mlml.html  and the gunsmithing section at
http://muzzleloadermag.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x

Good luck!



Ken


> To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
> From: halfbreedinkc@...
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:18:38 +0000
> Subject: [Muzzleloaders] Fusil kit
>
> Hi all, new to the site and thought I'd introduce myself. I was into the
muzzleloading scene back in the '90's, but kids, bills, etc. forced me to sell
pretty much everything I had, including a gorgeous Centermark Fusil de Chasse.
>
> So here I am 10 years later, looking to get back into it and wanting another
Fusil, and thought I pick the brains of the experts on available kits and their
quality - any input would be appreciated.
>
> HBinKC
>
>
>
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my name is garry robinson. ive been shooting muzzleloaders about 5 yrs so im
still green there i geuss. i shoot a lyman gret plains 50 flint.  if yall dont
mind ill be askin alot of questions .  garry r


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Muzzleloader Resources:
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Hi all, new to the site and thought I'd introduce myself. I was into the
muzzleloading scene back in the '90's, but kids, bills, etc. forced me to sell
pretty much everything I had, including a gorgeous Centermark Fusil de Chasse.

So here I am 10 years later, looking to get back into it and wanting another
Fusil, and thought I pick the brains of the experts on available kits and their
quality - any input would be appreciated.

HBinKC

Oh a 35 or 36" barrel would be long enough to burn all the powder period.
Something like a Jim Chambers pattern Edward Marshall rifle comes to mind for a
slightly longer barrel.

On second thought it might be a bit heavy. Even though it has a sling it has a
two piece stock? It is most likely a straight barrel. The Pedersoli Jagger has a
straight barrel and is pretty heavy. The .54 is right with 1:65 twist. I would
try to keep the weight down by using a swamped barrel. It would balance better
too. There may be a happy medium with recoil reducing stock design and lightest
weight possible. I wouldn't want to hold a heavy-ish rifle all day. On the other
hand I wouldn't want to shoot an overly light rifle all day either. Food for
thought.

Hi All,
I'm new to the group and I'm looking for plans, info, etc for a wooden range
box.

thanks
BBlack

Hmm. Looking at it again maybe 3 or even 4 inches longer for me. the second one
just keeps looking better. What can I say..... I'm bored.

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "daniel oconnell" <todanieloconnell@...>
wrote:
>
> Beech wood turned bowls
>
> Hold one pint, perfect for haversack
>
> $18 plus shipping (limited quantities)
>
> inquire direct: ToDanielOConnell@...
>


Osage Orange bowls would be really nice looking if you could just use the
heartwood. I'd charge a premium because it would be tough on tools. I love the
color but it fades. Persimmon wood might be cool too if it were only the dark
heartwood

I thought of buying a Pedersoli Jaeger at one point when they first came out.
I'd opt for a slow twist version not the 1:24 twist version if I had to buy one.
I just don't like short barreled guns that much either. The first thing I
learned was about sight radius. Longer barrels were more accurate only because
of a longer sight radius. Also barrel length should reflect a man's height and
arm length ideally. I have long arms and would want a longer barrel just because
of that. The more I look at the second firearm in that link the more I like it.
Doesn't state if it's a smoothbore or not but I like the looks of it too. Maybe
it's the roman nose stock. Again that may or may not be practical depending
again on a man's build or style of shooting. Actually the first one could be a
tad longer. I did not look at the Pedersoli twist rates but for roundball
(hunting) the following twist rates are best and proven... .45 cal.- 1:56 .50
cal.- 1:60 .54 cal.- 1:66 .58 cal.and up- 1:72. For deer I would opt for a .54
caliber after alot of consideration about this. It's a good general choice for
big game in general too. A .58 Christian Springs rifle would not be totally out
of the question for me. The buttstock of a Christian Springs rifle would enable
a .58 caliber barrel to be comfortable to shoot. A .54 caliber rifle like the
one in the first shown in the link seems perfect to me. Just another inch or
two. I have put a whole lot of thought into the perfect deer rifle (for me).





--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "John H." <backwardsturtle2@...> wrote:
>
> If I had the money right now, I think I'd buy a Pedersoli Jaeger, and, using
the picture you posted, I'd personalize the Pedersoli.
>
> J.

Beech wood turned bowls

Hold one pint, perfect for haversack

$18 plus shipping (limited quantities)

inquire direct: ToDanielOConnell@...

Hello, I joined this group in order to glean as much info on black powder
shooting as possible. I am new to this sport and require a lot of information.

I aquired a Texas New Army .44 caliber revolver real cheap but it needs nipples.
The gun was imported by Richland Arms and I believe it was manufactured by
Palmetto in Italy. Does anybody have an idea what size nipples it takes and
where I might be able to obtain them?

Also, within the past week, I stumbled on what I thought were pretty good deals.
A Cabela's Confederate Navy in .44 for 104.00 NIB and a CVA Hawken in .50 for
225.00 used.
 George,Sun City, AZ

Dont forget the annual gunmakers fair held at Dixons Muzzleloading Shop in
Kempton PA.  Details on Dixons website including directions and list of events 
Dates Friday July 24,Saturday July 25 Sunday July 26   good time for all (my
kids had a ball)  Thank You for your time      Bison