I'm brand new to muzzeloading so of course I went to Auction Arms and
bought a Thompson/Center Black Diamond for about $100. The seller
advertised that it was in excellent condition. When I received the gun
I found a fair amount of rust in the barrel. I tried cleaning it using
Bore Blaster and a brush but it will not come out. However, it did
improve. My question is this, is the gun junk now or is there a better
way to remove the rust. I like the gun and would like to keep it,
besides, it would be more of a hassel to try and get my money back and
I would be out the shipping and handling. I suppose from now on I'll
buy new or at least from a reputable dealer. Any suggestions would be
greatly appreciated.

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>
> In a message dated 1/21/2007 5:36:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tcostell@... writes:
>
> I have  a T/C Omega and I'm looking for a quality red dot scope to
put
> > on it.  I know that some of the less expensive models don't
correct for
> >  parallax and some do. Anyone have any good recommondations.
> >
>
>
>
> Suggest you just buy a modern rifle and be done with it.
> " The Silent Hunter"
>
>
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FYI, I have sseveral modern rifles and have hunted with both inlines
and traditional guns.  You're comment is insulting and juvenille. And
its "Holier than Thou" attitude that makes me think twice about
joining groups like this in the first place.  The sole purpose for
using the red dot is for quick and accurate target acquisition on
dangerous game.  An issue that I won't trust a traditional muzzle
loader to.  Traditional guns aren't consistant enough for these
situations, i.e. cape buffalo, leopard, large bears.  I've done
enough testing and chronography to know with traditional guns in
varying weather conditions to know this.  My first and foremost when
hunting is safety, and the second it a CLEAN kill.  Next time keep
your negative comments to yourself.

Iąd like the answer to that as well. My buddy swears by his $100 Bushnell.


Tom Costello
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are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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on 1/8/07 2:15 PM, mike.murf1999 at mike.murf1999@... wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I have a T/C Omega and I'm looking for a quality red dot scope to put
> on it.  I know that some of the less expensive models don't correct for
> parallax and some do.  Anyone have any good recommondations.
>
>
>




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I have a T/C Omega and I'm looking for a quality red dot scope to put
on it.  I know that some of the less expensive models don't correct for
parallax and some do.  Anyone have any good recommondations.

Does anyone have a source for information on muzzleloader internal
ballistics.  I am interested in information on how to estimate
internal pressure for various types of powders such as black power,
smokeless and pyrodex. This is particularly interesting in the case of
the Savage model 10ML-II muzzleloading rifle which can use all three.

I use Triple 7 and have not had a problem with it at all.

Justin Hall <justin.hall1@...> wrote:
Fair enough- I've never really had trouble with real black powder, but
   pyrodex, I have.  But real black powder is a little harder to come by.
   J

   Matt Stefanski wrote:

   > there probably are a few, but i would rather use powder anyway, i've
   > had misfires when using pellets.
   >
   > Justin Hall <justin.hall1@... <mailto:justin.hall1%40cox.net>>
   > wrote: Are there any muzzleloaders that one should NOT use pyrodex
   > pellets with?
   > I have a few CVA traditional style pistol/rifles, and I just use regular
   > (fffG) powder, but would consider using pellets just for a try.
   > J
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Fair enough- I've never really had trouble with real black powder, but
pyrodex, I have.  But real black powder is a little harder to come by.
J

Matt Stefanski wrote:

> there probably are a few, but i would rather use powder anyway, i've
> had misfires when using pellets.
>
> Justin Hall <justin.hall1@... <mailto:justin.hall1%40cox.net>>
> wrote: Are there any muzzleloaders that one should NOT use pyrodex
> pellets with?
> I have a few CVA traditional style pistol/rifles, and I just use regular
> (fffG) powder, but would consider using pellets just for a try.
> J
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there probably are a few, but i would rather use powder anyway, i've had
misfires when using pellets.

Justin Hall <justin.hall1@...> wrote:
Are there any muzzleloaders that one should NOT use pyrodex pellets with?
   I have a few CVA traditional style pistol/rifles, and I just use regular
   (fffG) powder, but would consider using pellets just for a try.
   J




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Are there any muzzleloaders that one should NOT use pyrodex pellets with?
I have a few CVA traditional style pistol/rifles, and I just use regular
(fffG) powder, but would consider using pellets just for a try.
J

The answer is yes, T/C rifles are very strong, especially the Renegade which has
a 1" diameter barrel.

   Greg Marts
   Restoration Firearms

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I have one T/C 45 cal Hawken I might part with if a good offer is made.
This kit is still in the box in the original condition. Pictures
provided upon request. If anyone would like to have this kit make an
offer.

Can you use pyrodex pellets in a thompson renegade muzzleloaders. its
an old gun. please let me know ASAP.  thank you

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "crashs1990" <crashs1990@...>
wrote:
>
> I am interested in muzzleloading.Any advise on a good gun to start
out
> with for deer.
>


You might want to check out my message (#1801) about the CVA I
purchased recently.  I bought it in a package at Gander Mountain for
less than $250.00.  Hope this helps.

I recently got into muzzleloading and enjoy the more "traditional"
guns. I recommend either the Thompson Center Hawken .50 caliber or,
even better if you want to build your own, the Traditions Hawken St.
Louis .50 caliber that comes in an uncompleted kit. I just finished
one and it was a lot of fun to build and it is a great looking gun. I
posted some pictures of it in the photo section under Alexsbuddy'
Guns. Both guns are relatively inexpensive for a first timer and
should offer you valuable experience.



--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "crashs1990" <crashs1990@...>
wrote:
>
> I am interested in muzzleloading.Any advise on a good gun to start
out
> with for deer.
>

Pedersoli makes an excellent double-barreled shotgun.   Reasonably priced.
Lots of second-hand models available.  Of course,  you have to get kinda close
for deer.  Smooth-bore muskets are cheap on the  internet.  Don't cost much
more than shotguns.  Reasonable accuracy  from a four to five foot barrel, even
if it is smooth-bore.  Or...you can  pay four or five times that much money
for a hand-made "smooth" rifle.  And  don't ask me how that term came about.  I
have no idea, and probably no one  else does either.  If you're close to NEPA,
you can borrow one of my  Thompson Center guns.  I have more than a couple,
cause they're really  cheap.


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This depends on your personal tastes. If you enjoy history and have a desire to
experience hunting as was done in the old days, you will want a "traditional
style" rifle.
   I suggest that you buy a percussion model. Flintlocks are for the more
advanced shooter.
   A Thompson Center Hawkin in 50 caliber is a good place to start.

   If you just want to kill something, any of the new inline models will offer
quick, sure-fire igniton. Many are very reasonalbly priced.
   Good luck and good shooting, John Davis

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           I am interested in muzzleloading.Any advise on a good gun to start out
with for deer.





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I, too, hunt with an NEF (the one I bought was called a "Huntsman",
the earlier version of the Sidekick, but virtually the same gun). I
use Powerbelt bullets and 777 powder, and I have a Bushnell scope
mounted on it. I took a small buck with it during our muzzleloader
season here in Oklahoma. Great little gun, and as you pointed out,
modest on price.

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "shkiii35" <shkiii35@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "crashs1990" <crashs1990@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am interested in muzzleloading.Any advise on a good gun to
start
> out
> > with for deer.
> >
> This was my first year for muzzleloader hunting and I chose the NEF
> Sidekick.  Cabela's offers this gun in a package deal with a Pine
Ridge
> scope.  Very accurate and easy to use with the break-open breech.
I
> shot Thompson Shockwave Sabots out of it and used 777 pellets.  90
> grains seemed to be a very comfortable, accurate, and dependable
load.
> I shot my first deer in October...heart and both lungs at 70 yards
and
> she dropped on the spot.  I highly recommend this in-line for the
> hunter who is just starting out in the muzzleloader sport.  I'm
hooked.
>
>
> Sherm Kohler
> Pennsylvania
>

Cabela's has a decent setup in a .50 cal for a little over a hundred
bucks.  It's not a bad place to start.  www.cabelas.com
J

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "crashs1990" <crashs1990@...>
wrote:
>
> I am interested in muzzleloading.Any advise on a good gun to start
out
> with for deer.
>
This was my first year for muzzleloader hunting and I chose the NEF
Sidekick.  Cabela's offers this gun in a package deal with a Pine Ridge
scope.  Very accurate and easy to use with the break-open breech.  I
shot Thompson Shockwave Sabots out of it and used 777 pellets.  90
grains seemed to be a very comfortable, accurate, and dependable load.
I shot my first deer in October...heart and both lungs at 70 yards and
she dropped on the spot.  I highly recommend this in-line for the
hunter who is just starting out in the muzzleloader sport.  I'm hooked.


Sherm Kohler
Pennsylvania

New England Firearms Huntsman .50 caliber.  reasonably priced under $300.  i
also reccomend using triple 7 powder.

crashs1990 <crashs1990@...> wrote:                                  I am
interested in muzzleloading.Any advise on a good gun to start out
  with for deer.





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Start out with a .50cal for deer, target, and general purpose shooting. I think
it's the best all around caliber for blackpowder shooting.  The type of rifle
depends on what you like. There are some great buys on inlines out there, and
the Thompson-Center Hawken is a great first choice for something more
traditional. There are some great buys on www.gunbroker.com as well.

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****************************************************
I'd suggest an inexpensive percussion rifle to start
with, just in case you may decide that a front
stuffer won't be your primary hunting rifle.  A .50
caliber CVA Optima comes to mind---break-open action
ala shotgun makes it easy to cap and clean the
nipple.  Saw one the other day at WalMart for $155.00.
Good fiber optic sights with crude adjustments but
how often does one have to adjust the sights?
Accessory support is great.....

roger in NWMontana*********************************
>
>
> >From: "crashs1990" <crashs1990@...>
> >Reply-To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Muzzleloaders] new to muzzle loading
> >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:52:28 -0000
> >
> >I am interested in muzzleloading.Any advise on a
> good gun to start out
> >with for deer.
> >
>
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Start out with a good gun. A 50cal thompson center would be a good choice.
Cabelas sells fine guns too. Get a percussion type rather than flint if you
want it to fire every time.
       Ron


>From: "crashs1990" <crashs1990@...>
>Reply-To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
>To: Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Muzzleloaders] new to muzzle loading
>Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:52:28 -0000
>
>I am interested in muzzleloading.Any advise on a good gun to start out
>with for deer.
>

I am interested in muzzleloading.Any advise on a good gun to start out
with for deer.

> Does anyone know where I can get information on repairing
> this problem, other than TC.

Why not T-C?  They stand behind their guns, lifetime warranty
and everyone I've talked with who has dealt with them said
they were very easy to work with.  Even when the problem was
the fault of the gun owner, T-C fixed it free.  You might want
to at least talk to them about it.

-Kees-

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone here have any experience using the tap-o-cap system? It
sounds too good to be true.
>
> Jim in N.Az

Jim,

I don't have any personal experience with one, but there was a
discussion on the Tap-O-Cap on another board and some folks liked it
and others thought they weren't worth while. I believe they use cap
gun caps for the charge, and those aren't as hot as what is used on
commercial caps.  The tools themselves aren't too spendy, and if the
caps work for you it would be a cost savings indeed!

-Kees-

Thanks John. I have both .490 and .495 balls.  I'm going to shoot the
rilfe this weekend for the first time.  I'm using pre-lubed .015
patches.


--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, John Davis <jdatbcf@...> wrote:
>
> The barrel is drilled and reamed/polished to .500 then rifling is
cut into it.
>   The depth of rifling varies with the process. Button rifling is
common in mass produced guns. A hard carbide cutter is pulled through
the bore where it cuts and displaces metal leaving a very smooth
finish. This kind of rifling is fairly shallow. .004 to .008 or so.
Cut rifling is found on custom guns and will be deeper. .010 to .012.
>   A patch of at least 1- 1/2 times the depth of groove is
desirable. I take my micrometer to the fabric store with me and buy
100 % cotton by the yard.
>   Lets say that you have 008 grooves so .012 or .013 material will
fill the grooves when compressed.
>   How big should the ball be? According to Ned Roberts "The Muzzle-
loading Caplock Rifle"
>   "the ball size that is the largest ball that will fit into the
bore and can be seated with one smooth stroke of the ramrod is best"
>   Speaking from experience with 50 cals, i have had pretty good
luck with 495s in factory guns. 490s load easy but let too much blow-
by burn up the patches and accuracy suffers out beyond 75 yards.
>   Hope this helps, Good luck and good shooting John Davis Jax Fl
>
> Tom <tgs333@...> wrote:
>           Hi, I'm getting back into Muzzleloading after 20 years
(was a teenager
> back then).
> I purchased a Traditions 50cal Hawken's muzzleloader. My question
may
> seem dumb, but I have to ask....
> First, I haven't fired the rifle yet. I plan on using it mostly for
> target practice. I purchased 50cal (.490) roundballs and I notice
that
> when I put the ball up to the top of the barrel (without the
patch),
> the ball slides down the barrel to the bottom and rolls back out
when
> tipping the rifle. Is this normal? The reason I ask is because I
used
> to have a 45cal Kentucky rifle and I don't remember the ball
sliding
> down the barrel like that. I am going to use .015 pre-lube patches,
but
> looking at the patch and the ball it would seem I could put the
patch
> on top of the barrell then the ball and push it in with my thumb
(not
> having to use a ball starter). Also, maybe it's me, but I just
can't
> see the roundball with the patch fitting snuggly in the barrel.
AGain,
> maybe that is just me and afterall I haven't yet been able to load
the
> rifle.
> Anyways, I hope I'm making sense. I appreciate any advice or
knowledge.
> Thanks, Tom.
>
>
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