I just sent this on to customer service at CVA.com and will let you
know what the results are.

-Kees-

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "drifter1951" <drifter1951@y...>
wrote:
>
> I just aquired a CVA Hawken St. Louis .50 from a friend. I was
> wondering if there is a source for matching the serial number to
> the manufacture date? Or, is the serial number itself coded with
> the year? Thanks for any help.
>
> Drifter
>

I just aquired a CVA Hawken St. Louis .50 from a friend. I was
wondering if there is a source for matching the serial number to
the manufacture date? Or, is the serial number itself coded with
the year? Thanks for any help.

Drifter

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Subject: Dallas/Ft Worth area shooting

Anyone know of a place we can go shooting for cheap/free? I can't see
spending 10 bucks a person to not shoot that much.
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Anyone know of a place we can go shooting for cheap/free?  I can't see
spending 10 bucks a person to not shoot that much.
402-850-3486

Hi again Mike,

    I shoot 80 grains FFg for both the .62 and the .56 - I also shoot
80 grains in my .54's, just seems to work well for me. I do have
one .54 (it's a Renegade) that likes 100 grains with a 425 grain
Buffalo bullet though...

    I haven't tried plastic shot cups, not sure I'd want to in the
flintlock but might give it a try in one of the percussion guns. If
you decide to try it please post your results, ya got me
curious.  :o)

    I agree the Bess would make a real nasty wound, I was surprised
at how effective ANY roundballs are. When I first started shooting
blackpowder guns, I enjoyed the ritual of patch and ball but wasn't
convinced a .50 would really be enough. So I bought a .54. Then I
saw how much that soft lead expanded when it hit a critter, and knew
the bigger caliber wasn't necessary.

    Don't get me wrong - I like the idea of a .62 or .75 caliber deer
roller, but I also like the idea of taking a deer cleanly with a
smaller caliber. I want, one day, to have a nice little .40 caliber
flintlock longrifle, because .40 is the minimum caliber for deer and
the maximum caliber for small game in my state. A .40 would be a
rifle could be used for anything.

    Having said all that, I still want a Brown Bess. :o)
Mark

Mike,

If I get a deer in the next couple of weeks I will take pics of the
entrance and exit wounds on the deer. I'm sure the exit wound will be
MUCH larger than the entrance wound. This should be a pretty good
representation of what kind of wound the Rev War soldiers received.

Tom


--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Davis"
<m.d.davis@j...> wrote:
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "m.d.davis@j..."
<m.d.davis@j...>
> wrote:
> >
> > This barrel of the 20 bore measures .615-- have you tried to get
the
> round ball to fit down in a plastic shot cup/power wad?
> >
> Mark Graham-- what load did you use with round ball in the 20/.62.
My
> shot measure on the third notch-- I think it's 3drams-- throws 83
> grains of FFG and that is what i started with and a .600  328 grain
> ball....I shot through a refirgerator with it-- I wouldn't want to
be
> on the receiving end of it-- i bet all those Revolutionary War
wounds
> were something else...I laugh when I see a Movie like "Patriot" or
> something and you bite a stick while they reach in there and pull
out a
> ball right under the skin...not..  I bet you could push a broom
handle
> through a wound from a Brown Bess....:)
>

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "m.d.davis@j..." <m.d.davis@j...>
wrote:
>
> This barrel of the 20 bore measures .615-- have you tried to get the
round ball to fit down in a plastic shot cup/power wad?
>
Mark Graham-- what load did you use with round ball in the 20/.62.  My
shot measure on the third notch-- I think it's 3drams-- throws 83
grains of FFG and that is what i started with and a .600  328 grain
ball....I shot through a refirgerator with it-- I wouldn't want to be
on the receiving end of it-- i bet all those Revolutionary War wounds
were something else...I laugh when I see a Movie like "Patriot" or
something and you bite a stick while they reach in there and pull out a
ball right under the skin...not..  I bet you could push a broom handle
through a wound from a Brown Bess....:)

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "m.d.davis@j..."
<m.d.davis@j...> wrote:
>
>I don't have a Bess, but i did get a 20guage smooth bore Green
Mountain barrel for my TC Renegade stock...had to pound the first .600
ball down to the powder with a piece of lighter wood...any tips...???
Mike>

Hi Mike,

    I don't have a Bess either, although I'd like to some day. I have a
flintlock fowler made by TVM that I totally love, it's 20 gauge. I
also have several Renegades, one of which is .56 smoothbore (about 24-
28 gauge).

    Like you, I was surprised at how accurate the smoothbores can be
with a roundball. Also like you, I had trouble getting patched .600
balls down the bore of the fowler and .55 balls down the .56. Then
somebody told me to try loading roundballs in my smoothbores the same
way I would load shot, and that has worked well for me.

    I tried cards and fiber-cushion wads, and that worked well but you
do have to lube the latter for best results. I like to soak them in
melted shortening and store them in baggies.

    For the most part, I have switched to the Wonder Wads and don't use
patches at all in my smoothbores.  I learned about Wonder Wads because
I also have a T/C New Englander in 12 gauge, and it has screw-in choke
tubes. I found the cards and fiber wads don't work so well with choke,
so I went to Wonder Wads for that gun (I use that gun for small game
and turkey, not roundball).

    I load the roundballs just like I would a load of bird or buck
shot - powder, Wonder Wad, roundball, Wonder Wad. It's real easy and I
see no difference in accuracy. Ox-Yoke makes the Wonder Wads, and I
think T/C makes some too. There may be others. I would recommend
giving them a try, I use them for practically all of my smoothbore
shooting anymore.

Hope this helps -
Mark

Muzzleloader season here in Ohio is December 27 - 30. Luckily my call
schedule at the hospital works out so I can go every morning early
when I get home from call. 4 days left for me for deer season to bag
one with my Bess. That deer tag is getting more expensive each day!!
Hope everyone with a Bess gets a deer this year.


--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Mike S." <mssgn3@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I took a spike opening day rifle season with my
> cartridge firing rifle - but not the bess - would you
> believe the sad state of affairs that i haven't been
> able to get out for black powder yet?  Between work
> and a death in my wife's family it looks like this
> weekend will be my only chance.  If I get one - I'll
> let you know!
>
> How about the rest of you guys?  Any luck?
>
>
>
> --- Tom <thankins43023@y...> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> > Did you get a deer yet with your Bess? If so give us
> > the full report!!
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Mike S."
> > <mssgn3@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the report Tom!
> > > our BP season starts 12/12 and I will be using my
> > Bess
> > > with 715s too :)
> > >
> > > Mike.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Tom <thankins43023@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > For those of you who in previous posts were
> > trying
> > > > to figure out what
> > > > is the best combo for a Brown Bess. I finally
> > went
> > > > to a .715 round ball
> > > > with a pillowticking patch lubed good with bore
> > > > butter. At 50 to 75
> > > > yards it is very accurate with a 70grain FFFg
> > load
> > > > in the bore and a 3
> > > > grain FFFFg prime in the pan. I tried earlier
> > using
> > > > a .735 ball and you
> > > > cannot use a patch with it. You have to use a
> > well
> > > > lubed paper
> > > > cartridge and its still very tight. My first
> > shot
> > > > with a .715 ball and
> > > > patch at 50 yards was almost dead center in the
> > > > bullseye. Went deer
> > > > hunting today for first time ever and with my
> > Bess.
> > > > Saw 1 deer but lost
> > > > him in a ravine before I could get a shot off.
> > > > Anxious to bag my first
> > > > deer with a flintlock. I'm convinced its the
> > only
> > > > way to hunt!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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I took a spike opening day rifle season with my
cartridge firing rifle - but not the bess - would you
believe the sad state of affairs that i haven't been
able to get out for black powder yet?  Between work
and a death in my wife's family it looks like this
weekend will be my only chance.  If I get one - I'll
let you know!

How about the rest of you guys?  Any luck?



--- Tom <thankins43023@...> wrote:

> Mike,
> Did you get a deer yet with your Bess? If so give us
> the full report!!
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> --- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Mike S."
> <mssgn3@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the report Tom!
> > our BP season starts 12/12 and I will be using my
> Bess
> > with 715s too :)
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> >
> > --- Tom <thankins43023@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > For those of you who in previous posts were
> trying
> > > to figure out what
> > > is the best combo for a Brown Bess. I finally
> went
> > > to a .715 round ball
> > > with a pillowticking patch lubed good with bore
> > > butter. At 50 to 75
> > > yards it is very accurate with a 70grain FFFg
> load
> > > in the bore and a 3
> > > grain FFFFg prime in the pan. I tried earlier
> using
> > > a .735 ball and you
> > > cannot use a patch with it. You have to use a
> well
> > > lubed paper
> > > cartridge and its still very tight. My first
> shot
> > > with a .715 ball and
> > > patch at 50 yards was almost dead center in the
> > > bullseye. Went deer
> > > hunting today for first time ever and with my
> Bess.
> > > Saw 1 deer but lost
> > > him in a ravine before I could get a shot off.
> > > Anxious to bag my first
> > > deer with a flintlock. I'm convinced its the
> only
> > > way to hunt!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Did you get a deer yet with your Bess? If so give us the full report!!

Tom



--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Mike S." <mssgn3@y...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the report Tom!
> our BP season starts 12/12 and I will be using my Bess
> with 715s too :)
>
> Mike.
>
>
> --- Tom <thankins43023@y...> wrote:
>
> > For those of you who in previous posts were trying
> > to figure out what
> > is the best combo for a Brown Bess. I finally went
> > to a .715 round ball
> > with a pillowticking patch lubed good with bore
> > butter. At 50 to 75
> > yards it is very accurate with a 70grain FFFg load
> > in the bore and a 3
> > grain FFFFg prime in the pan. I tried earlier using
> > a .735 ball and you
> > cannot use a patch with it. You have to use a well
> > lubed paper
> > cartridge and its still very tight. My first shot
> > with a .715 ball and
> > patch at 50 yards was almost dead center in the
> > bullseye. Went deer
> > hunting today for first time ever and with my Bess.
> > Saw 1 deer but lost
> > him in a ravine before I could get a shot off.
> > Anxious to bag my first
> > deer with a flintlock. I'm convinced its the only
> > way to hunt!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Hi group.Just joined the group and this is my first post here.
I am needing some information how to heat treat a trigger for my repro
Remington New Army .44.

I can make the trigger in my little machine shop but I am not sure how
to heat treat or case harden the trigger.I will mill the trigger out of
a piece of oil hardening drill rod.

Any help is greatly appreciated,thanks and God Bless.
Bill Collins(aka) Rebel

Greg,

I just found your website and looked through the catalog:

http://restorationfirearms.com/OnlineCatalog.html

Awesome looking work, Pard!  For those of you who haven't seen his
work, this is definitely worth looking at.

The trigger question I have is, would it be possible to mount the Lyman
Trade Gun single trigger on my GPR?  I am not overly fond of the double
set trigger but before I spend money on a single I would like to know
if it will work.

Thanks,
-Kees-

> I was wondering if anybody knew where I could get a barrel bored out
> to a smoothbore?

Rob,

You might contact Siegrist Gun Shop, 8752 Turtle Road, Whittemore, MI
48770.  His price list includes reboring muzzleloader barrels for $140.

The question is, why do you want to do this?  What type of gun is it?
It might be cheaper to get a smoothbore barrel fitted.  If the rifled
barrel is still in good shape, you would then have the option of
switching to whichever barrel you want at the time.

Let us know how you do!

-Kees-

I had the same promblem at the beginning of this season with my new
muzzleloader. I switched to the Shockwave bullets by thompson Center
that made all the difference for me.

I'm shooting a 250 grain bullet and using 150 grains of triple seven
(pellets)

Josh

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Woodrow"
<jawoodrow@w...> wrote:
>
> Try the T/C Shock Wave 250 gr sabot with 100 gr of Pyrodex Select.
Use a dry
> bore - no lubricant.
>
> Jerry
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> I bought a in-line and I can't get it to hit paper a 100yards!  I
> tried shooting those powerbelt bullets but they aren't accurate! I
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Hello,
I was wondering if anybody knew where I could get a barrel bored out
to a smoothbore?
Thanks in advance

Rob

>
> Hi Michael, There is an old saying that we had in the Army- a rifle
is only as accurate as the shooter behind it.

Very true.

Muzzle loaders are basically 150yd guns on a good day, and I would
never shoot at game past 100 yards regardless. If I can shoot a 3"
group at 100 yards with a muzzleloader I'm a happy camper.
>
>   Greg Marts
>   Restoration Firearms

I don't know about that! check out the long range muzzle loaders at
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/lrml/

Later,
Trent

I bought a in-line and I can't get it to hit paper a 100yards!  I
tried shooting those powerbelt bullets but they aren't accurate! I
have a 50 caliber. What is everybody's powder charge for this combo! I
am an experiance shooter so don't ask me simple questions! thanks

hi yall im new to the grout i live in fl. but big in bp. just bot s
t/g scout a week ago from someome that was down and out got it for 150
its a 54 cal.hope i didnt go rong thanks

                   mike

Hi Mark,
The only sight I use is the bayonet lug for a front sight. At 50
yards the lug covers a 3" bullseye perfectly so I know I am on
target. It works well for me. I do have my sights set on a 50 Caliber
Pennsylvania long rifle though. It's a beautiful gun and not nearly
as heavy as the bess. The nice thing about a 70 grain load in the
bess is you get a clean burn each time with plenty of umph behind the
ball. Even after 6 or 7 shots I dont have that much residue to clean
out of the bore. Makes life nice that way.


--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Graham"
<markgraham74@h...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom and everybody else,
>
>    I'm new here, having only recently discovered this group. Sure
> happy to have found it. I'll make a self-introductory post later,
> but wanted to jump in because Tom hit one of my buttons. See, I
love
> flintlocks, and I love smoothbores. Consequently, I love flintlock
> smoothbores.
>
> "Tom" <thankins43023@y...> wrote: I tried earlier using a .735 ball
> and you cannot use a patch with it.
>
>    I think the load you worked up is great, especially since it's
> accurate and all :o) and you spent time with your gun figuring it
> all out. It will certainly be an excellent deer load. But if you
> still want to try the bigger ball, I was wondering if you had tried
> loading the ball between wads like you would a shotgun load? Sure
> works well in my .62 fowler.
>    My biggest problem with the fowler is consistency without a rear
> sight. I've mentioned it on other lists and been scolded over it
(in
> a friendly manner) but just can't get it.
>    Tom, do you use a rear sight?
>
> "...Anxious to bag my first deer with a flintlock. I'm convinced
its
> the only way to hunt!!..."
>
>    Got it bad, don't you? I'm with you - I like all blackpowder
> hunting, but there really is something special about a flintlock...
>
> Have a good day -
> Mark
>

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "John W." <hazmat_tech@m...>
wrote:
>
> Ahhh, a rear sight on a smoothbore fowler or Bess...a TALL tang
screw and orient the screw slot to form a sight...The other option
is practice, practice, practice, something most of us don't mind
doing anyway...

    Well, the tall tang screw idea sounds okay, but the "practice,
practice, practice" isn't always an option. I wish it was. I do
enjoy burning powder, but I don't have a lot of free time. I have
found that I can do okay if I shoot regularly, but when I can't
shoot for a while I get rusty. The obvious answer is practice more
just before hunting and I do, but that just doesn't seem to me like
the best way to do things. Far better, to my way of thinking, to
hunt with a set up that I can shoot well consistently. It is the
very reason I still use a sight with yardage pins on my bow. I
cannot maintain consistent accuracy aiming instinctively unless I
shoot all the time. Since my work and family responsibilities won't
always allow me to do that, I use a sight.
    The good news is now I have an excuse to peruse the TOW catalog
looking for a tall tang screw  :o)
Thanks John -
Mark

Ahhh, a rear sight on a smoothbore fowler or Bess.  Why not do what the
colonials did, install
a TALL tang screw and orient the screw slot to form a sight.  They also had
their guns built
with a small "lump" at the appropriate spot on the barrel, and then file a
shallow groove or
"ears" into the lump for their windage settings (right and left alignment that
is!).

I have personally set a few tall screw heads for folks, with the idea that it
doesn't help so
much with proper elevation as much as it does for the aforementioned windage.

The other option is practice, practice, practice, something most of us don't
mind doing
anyway.  Nothing like the smell of burning GOEX in the morning...

Good luck, keep making smoke, and take a non-muzzleloader shooting once in
awhile!

John

--- In Muzzleloaders@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Graham" <markgraham74@h...> wrote: