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Re: Lead

I hate to disagree regarding the use of used (hard?) and/or wheel
weight lead in a muzzleloader, and of course it is all relative to
what works in each gun, but the use of SOFT virgin lead in a patched
round ball does indeed engrave when seated with the proper sized patch.

I tested this theory after reading some documentation several years
ago by shooting into water to see what the different lead rounds
looked like after patching. The rounds formed with soft virgin lead
had the patching material texture engraved into their surface where
the ball met the land, and the harder lead rounds did not.
Additionally, the patches from soft lead were intact, uncut and had
no burn-out/blow-out spots and shot more consistent groups at all
ranges, with my .54 caliber Bill Large barrel. Best 5 shot groups
(offhand and unrested) were one ragged hole at 25 yards, 2" at 50
yards, and 6" at 100 yards (I threw 2 wide at this range, probably me
and not the gun...).

Granted, this is one of the finest barrels available (or at least
used to be available, Mr. Large has passed on to that firing line in
the sky...), and I patch VERY tight (I recommend this practice for
the best consistency in shooting) with .020 teflon treated pillow
ticking, dampened with water, around a .535 cast and weighed (for
1/10 grain consistency) round ball, and a single cleaning swab
between each shot with a cleaning patch and water.

My test with hard lead went so poorly I discontinued it after the
25 yard attempt (2" groups!!!). I did attempt this test a second
time with a thinner patch material (.015) with the same results, so I
guess my test was flawed somewhat as I didn't go any thinner with the
material than that.

So, that's my 2 cents worth following my VERY unscientific test. I
submit to everyone interested that may not get the consistency in
their shot strings that they think they should be getting, to look at
your fired patching material to determine where (or if) you are
getting cuts and burn-through, and then reevaluate your ball hardness
and patching thickness for fit in the bore. Soft lead tends to be a
little more forgiving where it applies to this condition, making
consistency more achievable.

John
Camp Verde, AZ



Thu Jul 6, 2006 4:34 pm

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I need lead, about 50lbs. for now would be nice, but only soft pure lead not any wheel weight lead...any help would be welcomed Brother Lou...
murlock59
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Jul 1, 2006
12:42 pm

I usually find my bullet lead on EBAY. Last purchase was a 40 lb block for about $30.00 including shipping. I ask seller if it can be scratched with fingernail...
Ronald Rutledge
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Jul 2, 2006
2:56 am

Is wheel weight lead not safe or pure? I don't melt my own bullets anymore, but I used to. And I'd never do that stuff indoors, either. J...
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kb7lak
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Jul 3, 2006
7:52 am

I have heard that wheel weight lead is not a real great thing to use for balls, but this is uncomfirmed. When I need lead for either my Pennsylvania .50, my...
Keith
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Jul 3, 2006
2:24 pm

Wheel weight lead is ok for patched ball because patch holds ball in barrel not raw edge of ball. Old bullet lead is not always pure lead either. Must use pure...
Ronald Rutledge
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Jul 5, 2006
3:33 pm

I hate to disagree regarding the use of used (hard?) and/or wheel weight lead in a muzzleloader, and of course it is all relative to what works in each gun,...
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tox_medic
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Jul 6, 2006
4:44 pm

Thanks for the help, just need to find some now...ie(soft lead) Other then Ebay or your local recycling center, where can a person find soft lead at? Can a...
L Medley
murlock59
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Jul 7, 2006
12:33 am

I do not believe we are in disagreement at all. Most of my shooting is with a patch and ball of the size that does not allow the lead to contact the bore. I...
Ronald Rutledge
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Jul 7, 2006
11:00 pm

The only thing I would worry about is the ball getting jammed in there and the pipe bomb you'd have next to head after that happened. But that's the purpose...
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kb7lak
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Jul 7, 2006
3:21 am

Hey all quick question....how much is to much for soft lead per pound? 2$lb.?....5$lb? Need help BAD!!!! Thanks Brother Lou...
Lewis
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Jul 7, 2006
10:58 pm

Not over $1.00 per lb....
Ronald Rutledge
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Jul 9, 2006
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OK ... just a comment on building flashing ... most of the old flashing used was made of tin. A lot of people confuse lead and tin since they are remarkably...
drifter1951
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Jul 10, 2006
9:50 pm

Try a plumbing supply shop for your virgin lead. A little pricey, but always pure. I had a chance to buy scrap lead at 10 cents a pound 10 or 12 years ago...
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