Nesta had surgery today (Monday).

Milan's official site is non-committal on how long it will take him
to return to the playing field. This is their 2-sentence
announcement (the Italian version seems just as brief):

"Alessandro Nesta had arthroscopic surgery on his left shoulder today
at La Madonnina Clinic in Milan . His recovery time will be evaluated
in the upcoming days."

Football-Italia's slightly longer report/comment/speculation built
around the official announcement:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/dec4m.html

Although Nesta will be side-lined for some time because of the
surgery, and Milan will miss him, it is better that he has the
problem fixed once and for all (and have some rest), so that he can
return at 100% next spring for the CL knock out phase.

Good luck Sandro, and get well soon!

Ming

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, be <beyali2001@...> wrote:
>
> hi Molly
> tahnk you about the information about nesta´s suergery.
> well unfourtanetely i don´t know anything about junko and
nobody know anything abot her.
> i hope she come back sdoon we misses her a lot
> bye
>
> Mollina Totti <molly@...> wrote:
> Hey everybody,
> it's been a while since I post here because I had some issues
with Yahoo as they deactivated my claupau account anyways we just
want to let you all know that we have the latest information of
Alessandro's surgery.
> It's too long to explain everything in here right now so it's not
like we are just advertising our website but more that we want you
all to know the very latest www.totti-nesta.com
> We miss Junko so much, has anybody heard anything about her?
Junko if you read this, we can't wait to hear from you sweetie!
> Have a great day!
> Claudia & Molly
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
>

Nesta had surgery today (Monday).

Milan's official site is non-committal on how long it will take him
to return to the playing field.  This is their 2-sentence
announcement (the Italian version seems just as brief):

"Alessandro Nesta had arthroscopic surgery on his left shoulder today
at La Madonnina Clinic in Milan . His recovery time will be evaluated
in the upcoming days."

Football-Italia's slightly longer report/comment/speculation built
around the official announcement:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/dec4m.html

Although Nesta will be side-lined for some time because of the
surgery, and Milan will miss him, it is better that he has the
problem fixed once and for all (and have some rest), so that he can
return at 100% next spring for the CL knock out phase.

Good luck Sandro, and get well soon!

Ming


--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, be <beyali2001@...> wrote:
>
> hi Molly
>    tahnk you about the information about nesta´s suergery.
>    well unfourtanetely i don´t know anything about junko and
nobody  know anything abot her.
>    i hope she come back sdoon we misses her a lot
>   bye
>
> Mollina Totti <molly@...> wrote:
>             Hey everybody,
>   it's been a while since I post here because I had some issues
with Yahoo as they deactivated my claupau account  anyways we just
want to let you all know that we have the latest information of
Alessandro's surgery.
>   It's too long to explain everything in here right now so it's not
like we are just advertising our website but more that we want you
all to know the very latest  www.totti-nesta.com
>   We miss Junko so much, has anybody heard anything about her?
Junko if you read this, we can't wait to hear from you sweetie!
>   Have a great day!
>   Claudia & Molly
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
>

Hey everybody,

it's been a while since I post here because I had some issues with Yahoo as they deactivated my claupau account  anyways we just want to let you all know that we have the latest information of Alessandro's surgery.

It's too long to explain everything in here right now so it's not like we are just advertising our website but more that we want you all to know the very latest  www.totti-nesta.com

We miss Junko so much, has anybody heard anything about her?  Junko if you read this, we can't wait to hear from you sweetie!

Have a great day!

Claudia & Molly

Hey everybody,

it's been a while since I post here because I had some issues with Yahoo as they deactivated my claupau account  anyways we just want to let you all know that we have the latest information of Alessandro's surgery.

It's too long to explain everything in here right now so it's not like we are just advertising our website but more that we want you all to know the very latest  www.totti-nesta.com

We miss Junko so much, has anybody heard anything about her?  Junko if you read this, we can't wait to hear from you sweetie!

Have a great day!

Claudia & Molly

I was also happy to see Canna win, even though I spent the whole
World Cup wailing "It should be Sandro..." I too think he did a
fantastic job leading the Azzurri, and he had a consistently good
season last year. Buffon spent half of it injured, did he not?

Vuyo, I would like to think that Henry's terrible diving against
Spain in the World Cup cost him a few votes (and his moaning after
losing to Barcelona in the Champions League won't have done him any
favours either.) He is a fabulous player, and seeing him play live
at Hampden when we (Scotland) BEAT FRANCE (what a fantastic day that
was!) it was clear that he was hands-down the best player on the
park - the pace, the touch, the control... It's just a shame he's
such a moany pony.

For Canna fans, Eurosport has a nice little feature on his win,
giving a potted history of his career, with a short glimpse of Nesta
included at:
http://www.eurosport.com/football/mc_vid31111.shtml
He looks quite shy and overcome (which I imagine is quite a feat!)

Marion

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "vlengisi" <vuyo.lengisi@...>
wrote:
>
> Well put Ming!
>
> I agree with your assessments of why Canna won and not Buffon, and
> also on Houllier's issues. Nesta is a great defender and he may win
> the Golden Ball maybe after Euro 2008 - who knows?
>
> Just an opinion on why Henry is always in the top 3 but doesn't
win:
> he's always up against people who are great leaders and who are
just
> very decisive within their club teams AND national teams, whereas
> Henry has never been decisive for France. There was no way he was
> gonna win against Zidane/Sheva/Ronaldinho/Canna - these players are
> exceptional and decisive at both levels and he's only decisive at
> club level. Hope that makes sense?
>
> Vuyo
>
> --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "jujuboodoo"
> <michele.chang@> wrote:
> >
> > Cannavaro's performance at the world cup was faultless--and
> > performance at a major tournament weighs heavily in the Golden
> Ball
> > selection process. His performance for Juve in the last 2
seasons
> > was excellent, and as far as I know, he is doing fine at Real
> Madrid
> > except for a couple mistakes in high profile games.
> >
> > Buffon is a victim of the solid Azzurri and Juve defences in
front
> of
> > him. He has been great, but did not have **that much** to do,
> say,
> > compared to Oliver Kahn in 2002. And he is also a victim of his
> > loyalty to Juve--had he won, he would not be the first goalie to
> win,
> > but he would be the first player NOT playing in a top division
> club
> > to win this award!
> >
> > I can understand why some Nesta fans are unhappy with the
> selection
> > of Canna for the Golden Ball. Finally a purely defensive
defender
> > (as opposed to a classic German libero) wins the honour, and it
is
> > not Nesta! What is worse, it is someone form Nesta's
generation!
> > And the worst may be, in a way, Nesta's misfortune gave Canna the
> > chance to shine--had Nesta not been injured and he and Canna
> > **together** gave a sparkling performance a la Euro 2000, the
> Golden
> > Ball selectors would have a bigger headache making their
> selection.
> > Still, Canna took his opportunity and stood up magnificently to
> the
> > challenge of leading the Azzurri defense in the absence of his
> usual
> > partner. As a Nesta fan, I believe, at his best, Nesta can do as
> > well as Cannavaro, if not better. But he has rotton luck at
world
> > cups and did not have the chance to show that to the world on the
> > biggest stage of his sport. Of course there is no "what if" in
> the
> > real world. But Nesta's bad luck is not going to make me think
> any
> > less of him, or of Canna.
> >
> > Congratulations, Canna!
> >
> > Ming
> >
> > P.S.
> >
> > I can understand why Houllier was upset because the award did not
> go
> > to a Frenchman. (Had the panel selected Zidane for sentimental
> > reasons, would Houllier called it an "abominable result"?) It
> can't
> > possibly be because a defender wins the honour, because Monsieur
> > Houllier has never been a proponent of sexy or all out attacking
> > football--just look at Liverpool during his tenure. But what I
> can't
> > believe is the way he talked, and the example he gave to knock
> > Canna. Those comments are more fitting for a fan forum on the
> > internet, because they sound like comments from some amatuer with
> no
> > long term memory, or certain fans from some footballing wildeness
> the
> > only top class football who get to see are a couple CL games a
> > season. As for Houllier's favorite Henry, the goal against
> Brazil
> > is the only decisive goal he scores in a truly important game,
> that I
> > can readily recall. (Perhaps I also suffers from a lack of long
> term
> > memory, but then, I am not paid millions to coach a professional
> > football team, nor have I been technical director of the French
> FA.)
> > Everything that is said to knock world cup top scorer Miroslav
> Klose
> > (whose goals and assists last season were instrumental to taking
> > little Werder Bremen to the top of the Bundesliga just behind
> > Bayern) can equally be applied to Henry, and Henry finished
higher
> on
> > the polling than Klose only because Arsenal is a much more
> > fashionable club than Bremen and the EPL does a much better
> marketing
> > job than the Bundesliga. (Can't you tell I am a fan of
Germany? ;-
> ) )
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, Cla Tiganca <cla_tiganca@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think is such excellent news . it would be if nesta won
> it
> > instead. I never liked cannavaro that much to consider him worthy
> of
> > winning such award . This year I would give it to buffon .
> > >
> > > vlengisi <vuyo.lengisi@> wrote: Hi everone,
> > >
> > > Excellent news: Canna has just won the Golden Ball (Best
> European
> > > Player Award). All I have to say is Grazie Fabio and Good Luck
> for
> > > the future! He deserves it, he even deserved that Most Valuable
> > > Player award at the World Cup that went to Zidane
> > >
> > > But some idiot named Houllier is against it – what a hater!
This
> is
> > > from the Fottball Italia site:
> > >
> > > -----------
> > >
> > > Lyon Coach Gerard Houllier has hit out at the decision to award
> the
> > > 2006 Golden Ball to Fabio Cannavaro. "It's a scandal," he
> declared.
> > >
> > > The official announcement of the world champion's victory will
> take
> > > place this evening in Paris.
> > >
> > > The defender will become the fourth Italian player to win the
> > > prestigious trophy, following Gianni Rivera in 1969, Paolo
Rossi
> in
> > > 1982 and Roberto Baggio in 1993.
> > >
> > > "Compared to other players he certainly didn't deserve to win,"
> > > claimed Houllier.
> > >
> > > "He played a great World Cup, but not a great season.
Personally
> I
> > > would have given it to Gianluigi Buffon," added the tactician,
> > whose
> > > side held Real Madrid to a 2-2 draw in their latest Champions
> > League
> > > Group E tie.
> > >
> > > "It's a scandal and the thing that bothers me most is that
> Thierry
> > > Henry, a player who has been scoring 20 goals a season for
years
> > now
> > > and appeared in two finals in the last season, was not even
> taken
> > > into consideration, there was a negative campaign around him.
> > >
> > > "As to Cannavaro, you only need to look at what John Carew
> managed
> > > to do against him in the Champions League – watching that game
> you
> > > understand that Cannavaro's win is an abominable result,"
> concluded
> > > Houllier.
> > >
> > > --------
> > >
> > > Vuyo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> > >
> >
>

I was also happy to see Canna win, even though I spent the whole
World Cup wailing "It should be Sandro..."  I too think he did a
fantastic job leading the Azzurri, and he had a consistently good
season last year.  Buffon spent half of it injured, did he not?

Vuyo, I would like to think that Henry's terrible diving against
Spain in the World Cup cost him a few votes (and his moaning after
losing to Barcelona in the Champions League won't have done him any
favours either.)  He is a fabulous player, and seeing him play live
at Hampden when we (Scotland) BEAT FRANCE (what a fantastic day that
was!) it was clear that he was hands-down the best player on the
park - the pace, the touch, the control... It's just a shame he's
such a moany pony.

For Canna fans, Eurosport has a nice little feature on his win,
giving a potted history of his career, with a short glimpse of Nesta
included at:
http://www.eurosport.com/football/mc_vid31111.shtml
He looks quite shy and overcome (which I imagine is quite a feat!)

Marion

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "vlengisi" <vuyo.lengisi@...>
wrote:
>
> Well put Ming!
>
> I agree with your assessments of why Canna won and not Buffon, and
> also on Houllier's issues. Nesta is a great defender and he may win
> the Golden Ball maybe after Euro 2008 - who knows?
>
> Just an opinion on why Henry is always in the top 3 but doesn't
win:
> he's always up against people who are great leaders and who are
just
> very decisive within their club teams AND national teams, whereas
> Henry has never been decisive for France. There was no way he was
> gonna win against Zidane/Sheva/Ronaldinho/Canna - these players are
> exceptional and decisive at both levels and he's only decisive at
> club level. Hope that makes sense?
>
> Vuyo
>
> --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "jujuboodoo"
> <michele.chang@> wrote:
> >
> > Cannavaro's performance at the world cup was faultless--and
> > performance at a major tournament weighs heavily in the Golden
> Ball
> > selection process.  His performance for Juve in the last 2
seasons
> > was excellent, and as far as I know, he is doing fine at Real
> Madrid
> > except for a couple mistakes in high profile games.
> >
> > Buffon is a victim of the solid Azzurri and Juve defences in
front
> of
> > him.  He has been great, but did not have **that much** to do,
> say,
> > compared to Oliver Kahn in 2002.  And he is also a victim of his
> > loyalty to Juve--had he won, he would not be the first goalie to
> win,
> > but he would be the first player NOT playing in a top division
> club
> > to win this award!
> >
> > I can understand why some Nesta fans are unhappy with the
> selection
> > of Canna for the Golden Ball.  Finally a purely defensive
defender
> > (as opposed to a classic German libero) wins the honour, and it
is
> > not Nesta!  What is worse, it is someone form Nesta's
generation!
> > And the worst may be, in a way, Nesta's misfortune gave Canna the
> > chance to shine--had Nesta not been injured and he and Canna
> > **together** gave a sparkling performance a la Euro 2000, the
> Golden
> > Ball selectors would have a bigger headache making their
> selection.
> > Still, Canna took his opportunity and stood up magnificently to
> the
> > challenge of leading the Azzurri defense in the absence of his
> usual
> > partner.  As a Nesta fan, I believe, at his best, Nesta can do as
> > well as Cannavaro, if not better.  But he has rotton luck at
world
> > cups and did not have the chance to show that to the world on the
> > biggest stage of his sport.  Of course there is no "what if" in
> the
> > real world.  But Nesta's bad luck is not going to make me think
> any
> > less of him, or of Canna.
> >
> > Congratulations, Canna!
> >
> > Ming
> >
> > P.S.
> >
> > I can understand why Houllier was upset because the award did not
> go
> > to a Frenchman.  (Had the panel selected Zidane for sentimental
> > reasons, would Houllier called it an "abominable result"?)  It
> can't
> > possibly be because a defender wins the honour, because Monsieur
> > Houllier has never been a proponent of sexy or all out attacking
> > football--just look at Liverpool during his tenure. But what I
> can't
> > believe is the way he talked, and the example he gave to knock
> > Canna.  Those comments are more fitting for a fan forum on the
> > internet, because they sound like comments from some amatuer with
> no
> > long term memory, or certain fans from some footballing wildeness
> the
> > only top class football who get to see are a couple CL games a
> > season.   As for Houllier's favorite Henry, the goal against
> Brazil
> > is the only decisive goal he scores in a truly important game,
> that I
> > can readily recall.  (Perhaps I also suffers from a lack of long
> term
> > memory, but then, I am not paid millions to coach a professional
> > football team, nor have I been technical director of the French
> FA.)
> > Everything that is said to knock world cup top scorer Miroslav
> Klose
> > (whose goals and assists last season were instrumental to taking
> > little Werder Bremen to the top of the  Bundesliga just behind
> > Bayern) can equally be applied to Henry, and Henry finished
higher
> on
> > the polling than Klose only because Arsenal is a much more
> > fashionable club than Bremen and the EPL does a much better
> marketing
> > job than the Bundesliga.  (Can't you tell I am a fan of
Germany? ;-
> ) )
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, Cla Tiganca <cla_tiganca@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think is such excellent news . it would be if nesta won
> it
> > instead. I never liked cannavaro that much to consider him worthy
> of
> > winning such award . This year I would give it to buffon .
> > >
> > > vlengisi <vuyo.lengisi@> wrote:          Hi everone,
> > >
> > > Excellent news: Canna has just won the Golden Ball (Best
> European
> > > Player Award). All I have to say is Grazie Fabio and Good Luck
> for
> > > the future! He deserves it, he even deserved that Most Valuable
> > > Player award at the World Cup that went to Zidane
> > >
> > > But some idiot named Houllier is against it – what a hater!
This
> is
> > > from the Fottball Italia site:
> > >
> > > -----------
> > >
> > > Lyon Coach Gerard Houllier has hit out at the decision to award
> the
> > > 2006 Golden Ball to Fabio Cannavaro. "It's a scandal," he
> declared.
> > >
> > > The official announcement of the world champion's victory will
> take
> > > place this evening in Paris.
> > >
> > > The defender will become the fourth Italian player to win the
> > > prestigious trophy, following Gianni Rivera in 1969, Paolo
Rossi
> in
> > > 1982 and Roberto Baggio in 1993.
> > >
> > > "Compared to other players he certainly didn't deserve to win,"
> > > claimed Houllier.
> > >
> > > "He played a great World Cup, but not a great season.
Personally
> I
> > > would have given it to Gianluigi Buffon," added the tactician,
> > whose
> > > side held Real Madrid to a 2-2 draw in their latest Champions
> > League
> > > Group E tie.
> > >
> > > "It's a scandal and the thing that bothers me most is that
> Thierry
> > > Henry, a player who has been scoring 20 goals a season for
years
> > now
> > > and appeared in two finals in the last season, was not even
> taken
> > > into consideration, there was a negative campaign around him.
> > >
> > > "As to Cannavaro, you only need to look at what John Carew
> managed
> > > to do against him in the Champions League – watching that game
> you
> > > understand that Cannavaro's win is an abominable result,"
> concluded
> > > Houllier.
> > >
> > > --------
> > >
> > > Vuyo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> > >
> >
>

Oh no!

Just spotted this on Football Italia:

In the meantime, Alessandro Nesta and Serginho could be set for a two-
month stop, as both players are expected to undergo surgery.

The former Lazio man injured his shoulder in the Champions League tie
with Anderlecht, while the Brazilian has not recovered from his hernia
problem.

Both Rossoneri might be operated on before Christmas and are not
expected to be back in action for a couple of months.

Marion

Well put Ming!

I agree with your assessments of why Canna won and not Buffon, and
also on Houllier's issues. Nesta is a great defender and he may win
the Golden Ball maybe after Euro 2008 - who knows?

Just an opinion on why Henry is always in the top 3 but doesn't win:
he's always up against people who are great leaders and who are just
very decisive within their club teams AND national teams, whereas
Henry has never been decisive for France. There was no way he was
gonna win against Zidane/Sheva/Ronaldinho/Canna - these players are
exceptional and decisive at both levels and he's only decisive at
club level. Hope that makes sense?

Vuyo

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "jujuboodoo"
<michele.chang@...> wrote:
>
> Cannavaro's performance at the world cup was faultless--and
> performance at a major tournament weighs heavily in the Golden
Ball
> selection process. His performance for Juve in the last 2 seasons
> was excellent, and as far as I know, he is doing fine at Real
Madrid
> except for a couple mistakes in high profile games.
>
> Buffon is a victim of the solid Azzurri and Juve defences in front
of
> him. He has been great, but did not have **that much** to do,
say,
> compared to Oliver Kahn in 2002. And he is also a victim of his
> loyalty to Juve--had he won, he would not be the first goalie to
win,
> but he would be the first player NOT playing in a top division
club
> to win this award!
>
> I can understand why some Nesta fans are unhappy with the
selection
> of Canna for the Golden Ball. Finally a purely defensive defender
> (as opposed to a classic German libero) wins the honour, and it is
> not Nesta! What is worse, it is someone form Nesta's generation!
> And the worst may be, in a way, Nesta's misfortune gave Canna the
> chance to shine--had Nesta not been injured and he and Canna
> **together** gave a sparkling performance a la Euro 2000, the
Golden
> Ball selectors would have a bigger headache making their
selection.
> Still, Canna took his opportunity and stood up magnificently to
the
> challenge of leading the Azzurri defense in the absence of his
usual
> partner. As a Nesta fan, I believe, at his best, Nesta can do as
> well as Cannavaro, if not better. But he has rotton luck at world
> cups and did not have the chance to show that to the world on the
> biggest stage of his sport. Of course there is no "what if" in
the
> real world. But Nesta's bad luck is not going to make me think
any
> less of him, or of Canna.
>
> Congratulations, Canna!
>
> Ming
>
> P.S.
>
> I can understand why Houllier was upset because the award did not
go
> to a Frenchman. (Had the panel selected Zidane for sentimental
> reasons, would Houllier called it an "abominable result"?) It
can't
> possibly be because a defender wins the honour, because Monsieur
> Houllier has never been a proponent of sexy or all out attacking
> football--just look at Liverpool during his tenure. But what I
can't
> believe is the way he talked, and the example he gave to knock
> Canna. Those comments are more fitting for a fan forum on the
> internet, because they sound like comments from some amatuer with
no
> long term memory, or certain fans from some footballing wildeness
the
> only top class football who get to see are a couple CL games a
> season. As for Houllier's favorite Henry, the goal against
Brazil
> is the only decisive goal he scores in a truly important game,
that I
> can readily recall. (Perhaps I also suffers from a lack of long
term
> memory, but then, I am not paid millions to coach a professional
> football team, nor have I been technical director of the French
FA.)
> Everything that is said to knock world cup top scorer Miroslav
Klose
> (whose goals and assists last season were instrumental to taking
> little Werder Bremen to the top of the Bundesliga just behind
> Bayern) can equally be applied to Henry, and Henry finished higher
on
> the polling than Klose only because Arsenal is a much more
> fashionable club than Bremen and the EPL does a much better
marketing
> job than the Bundesliga. (Can't you tell I am a fan of Germany? ;-
) )
>
>
>
> --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, Cla Tiganca <cla_tiganca@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think is such excellent news . it would be if nesta won
it
> instead. I never liked cannavaro that much to consider him worthy
of
> winning such award . This year I would give it to buffon .
> >
> > vlengisi <vuyo.lengisi@> wrote: Hi everone,
> >
> > Excellent news: Canna has just won the Golden Ball (Best
European
> > Player Award). All I have to say is Grazie Fabio and Good Luck
for
> > the future! He deserves it, he even deserved that Most Valuable
> > Player award at the World Cup that went to Zidane
> >
> > But some idiot named Houllier is against it – what a hater! This
is
> > from the Fottball Italia site:
> >
> > -----------
> >
> > Lyon Coach Gerard Houllier has hit out at the decision to award
the
> > 2006 Golden Ball to Fabio Cannavaro. "It's a scandal," he
declared.
> >
> > The official announcement of the world champion's victory will
take
> > place this evening in Paris.
> >
> > The defender will become the fourth Italian player to win the
> > prestigious trophy, following Gianni Rivera in 1969, Paolo Rossi
in
> > 1982 and Roberto Baggio in 1993.
> >
> > "Compared to other players he certainly didn't deserve to win,"
> > claimed Houllier.
> >
> > "He played a great World Cup, but not a great season. Personally
I
> > would have given it to Gianluigi Buffon," added the tactician,
> whose
> > side held Real Madrid to a 2-2 draw in their latest Champions
> League
> > Group E tie.
> >
> > "It's a scandal and the thing that bothers me most is that
Thierry
> > Henry, a player who has been scoring 20 goals a season for years
> now
> > and appeared in two finals in the last season, was not even
taken
> > into consideration, there was a negative campaign around him.
> >
> > "As to Cannavaro, you only need to look at what John Carew
managed
> > to do against him in the Champions League – watching that game
you
> > understand that Cannavaro's win is an abominable result,"
concluded
> > Houllier.
> >
> > --------
> >
> > Vuyo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> >
>

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Well put Ming!

I agree with your assessments of why Canna won and not Buffon, and
also on Houllier's issues. Nesta is a great defender and he may win
the Golden Ball maybe after Euro 2008 - who knows?

Just an opinion on why Henry is always in the top 3 but doesn't win:
he's always up against people who are great leaders and who are just
very decisive within their club teams AND national teams, whereas
Henry has never been decisive for France. There was no way he was
gonna win against Zidane/Sheva/Ronaldinho/Canna - these players are
exceptional and decisive at both levels and he's only decisive at
club level. Hope that makes sense?

Vuyo

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "jujuboodoo"
<michele.chang@...> wrote:
>
> Cannavaro's performance at the world cup was faultless--and
> performance at a major tournament weighs heavily in the Golden
Ball
> selection process.  His performance for Juve in the last 2 seasons
> was excellent, and as far as I know, he is doing fine at Real
Madrid
> except for a couple mistakes in high profile games.
>
> Buffon is a victim of the solid Azzurri and Juve defences in front
of
> him.  He has been great, but did not have **that much** to do,
say,
> compared to Oliver Kahn in 2002.  And he is also a victim of his
> loyalty to Juve--had he won, he would not be the first goalie to
win,
> but he would be the first player NOT playing in a top division
club
> to win this award!
>
> I can understand why some Nesta fans are unhappy with the
selection
> of Canna for the Golden Ball.  Finally a purely defensive defender
> (as opposed to a classic German libero) wins the honour, and it is
> not Nesta!  What is worse, it is someone form Nesta's generation!
> And the worst may be, in a way, Nesta's misfortune gave Canna the
> chance to shine--had Nesta not been injured and he and Canna
> **together** gave a sparkling performance a la Euro 2000, the
Golden
> Ball selectors would have a bigger headache making their
selection.
> Still, Canna took his opportunity and stood up magnificently to
the
> challenge of leading the Azzurri defense in the absence of his
usual
> partner.  As a Nesta fan, I believe, at his best, Nesta can do as
> well as Cannavaro, if not better.  But he has rotton luck at world
> cups and did not have the chance to show that to the world on the
> biggest stage of his sport.  Of course there is no "what if" in
the
> real world.  But Nesta's bad luck is not going to make me think
any
> less of him, or of Canna.
>
> Congratulations, Canna!
>
> Ming
>
> P.S.
>
> I can understand why Houllier was upset because the award did not
go
> to a Frenchman.  (Had the panel selected Zidane for sentimental
> reasons, would Houllier called it an "abominable result"?)  It
can't
> possibly be because a defender wins the honour, because Monsieur
> Houllier has never been a proponent of sexy or all out attacking
> football--just look at Liverpool during his tenure. But what I
can't
> believe is the way he talked, and the example he gave to knock
> Canna.  Those comments are more fitting for a fan forum on the
> internet, because they sound like comments from some amatuer with
no
> long term memory, or certain fans from some footballing wildeness
the
> only top class football who get to see are a couple CL games a
> season.   As for Houllier's favorite Henry, the goal against
Brazil
> is the only decisive goal he scores in a truly important game,
that I
> can readily recall.  (Perhaps I also suffers from a lack of long
term
> memory, but then, I am not paid millions to coach a professional
> football team, nor have I been technical director of the French
FA.)
> Everything that is said to knock world cup top scorer Miroslav
Klose
> (whose goals and assists last season were instrumental to taking
> little Werder Bremen to the top of the  Bundesliga just behind
> Bayern) can equally be applied to Henry, and Henry finished higher
on
> the polling than Klose only because Arsenal is a much more
> fashionable club than Bremen and the EPL does a much better
marketing
> job than the Bundesliga.  (Can't you tell I am a fan of Germany? ;-
) )
>
>
>
> --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, Cla Tiganca <cla_tiganca@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think is such excellent news . it would be if nesta won
it
> instead. I never liked cannavaro that much to consider him worthy
of
> winning such award . This year I would give it to buffon .
> >
> > vlengisi <vuyo.lengisi@> wrote:          Hi everone,
> >
> > Excellent news: Canna has just won the Golden Ball (Best
European
> > Player Award). All I have to say is Grazie Fabio and Good Luck
for
> > the future! He deserves it, he even deserved that Most Valuable
> > Player award at the World Cup that went to Zidane
> >
> > But some idiot named Houllier is against it – what a hater! This
is
> > from the Fottball Italia site:
> >
> > -----------
> >
> > Lyon Coach Gerard Houllier has hit out at the decision to award
the
> > 2006 Golden Ball to Fabio Cannavaro. "It's a scandal," he
declared.
> >
> > The official announcement of the world champion's victory will
take
> > place this evening in Paris.
> >
> > The defender will become the fourth Italian player to win the
> > prestigious trophy, following Gianni Rivera in 1969, Paolo Rossi
in
> > 1982 and Roberto Baggio in 1993.
> >
> > "Compared to other players he certainly didn't deserve to win,"
> > claimed Houllier.
> >
> > "He played a great World Cup, but not a great season. Personally
I
> > would have given it to Gianluigi Buffon," added the tactician,
> whose
> > side held Real Madrid to a 2-2 draw in their latest Champions
> League
> > Group E tie.
> >
> > "It's a scandal and the thing that bothers me most is that
Thierry
> > Henry, a player who has been scoring 20 goals a season for years
> now
> > and appeared in two finals in the last season, was not even
taken
> > into consideration, there was a negative campaign around him.
> >
> > "As to Cannavaro, you only need to look at what John Carew
managed
> > to do against him in the Champions League – watching that game
you
> > understand that Cannavaro's win is an abominable result,"
concluded
> > Houllier.
> >
> > --------
> >
> > Vuyo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> >
>

Cannavaro's performance at the world cup was faultless--and
performance at a major tournament weighs heavily in the Golden Ball
selection process.  His performance for Juve in the last 2 seasons
was excellent, and as far as I know, he is doing fine at Real Madrid
except for a couple mistakes in high profile games.

Buffon is a victim of the solid Azzurri and Juve defences in front of
him.  He has been great, but did not have **that much** to do, say,
compared to Oliver Kahn in 2002.  And he is also a victim of his
loyalty to Juve--had he won, he would not be the first goalie to win,
but he would be the first player NOT playing in a top division club
to win this award!

I can understand why some Nesta fans are unhappy with the selection
of Canna for the Golden Ball.  Finally a purely defensive defender
(as opposed to a classic German libero) wins the honour, and it is
not Nesta!  What is worse, it is someone form Nesta's generation!
And the worst may be, in a way, Nesta's misfortune gave Canna the
chance to shine--had Nesta not been injured and he and Canna
**together** gave a sparkling performance a la Euro 2000, the Golden
Ball selectors would have a bigger headache making their selection.
Still, Canna took his opportunity and stood up magnificently to the
challenge of leading the Azzurri defense in the absence of his usual
partner.  As a Nesta fan, I believe, at his best, Nesta can do as
well as Cannavaro, if not better.  But he has rotton luck at world
cups and did not have the chance to show that to the world on the
biggest stage of his sport.  Of course there is no "what if" in the
real world.  But Nesta's bad luck is not going to make me think any
less of him, or of Canna.

Congratulations, Canna!

Ming

P.S.

I can understand why Houllier was upset because the award did not go
to a Frenchman.  (Had the panel selected Zidane for sentimental
reasons, would Houllier called it an "abominable result"?)  It can't
possibly be because a defender wins the honour, because Monsieur
Houllier has never been a proponent of sexy or all out attacking
football--just look at Liverpool during his tenure. But what I can't
believe is the way he talked, and the example he gave to knock
Canna.  Those comments are more fitting for a fan forum on the
internet, because they sound like comments from some amatuer with no
long term memory, or certain fans from some footballing wildeness the
only top class football who get to see are a couple CL games a
season.   As for Houllier's favorite Henry, the goal against Brazil
is the only decisive goal he scores in a truly important game, that I
can readily recall.  (Perhaps I also suffers from a lack of long term
memory, but then, I am not paid millions to coach a professional
football team, nor have I been technical director of the French FA.)
Everything that is said to knock world cup top scorer Miroslav Klose
(whose goals and assists last season were instrumental to taking
little Werder Bremen to the top of the  Bundesliga just behind
Bayern) can equally be applied to Henry, and Henry finished higher on
the polling than Klose only because Arsenal is a much more
fashionable club than Bremen and the EPL does a much better marketing
job than the Bundesliga.  (Can't you tell I am a fan of Germany? ;-) )



--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, Cla Tiganca <cla_tiganca@...>
wrote:
>
> I don't think is such excellent news . it would be if nesta won it
instead. I never liked cannavaro that much to consider him worthy of
winning such award . This year I would give it to buffon .
>
> vlengisi <vuyo.lengisi@...> wrote:          Hi everone,
>
> Excellent news: Canna has just won the Golden Ball (Best European
> Player Award). All I have to say is Grazie Fabio and Good Luck for
> the future! He deserves it, he even deserved that Most Valuable
> Player award at the World Cup that went to Zidane
>
> But some idiot named Houllier is against it – what a hater! This is
> from the Fottball Italia site:
>
> -----------
>
> Lyon Coach Gerard Houllier has hit out at the decision to award the
> 2006 Golden Ball to Fabio Cannavaro. "It's a scandal," he declared.
>
> The official announcement of the world champion's victory will take
> place this evening in Paris.
>
> The defender will become the fourth Italian player to win the
> prestigious trophy, following Gianni Rivera in 1969, Paolo Rossi in
> 1982 and Roberto Baggio in 1993.
>
> "Compared to other players he certainly didn't deserve to win,"
> claimed Houllier.
>
> "He played a great World Cup, but not a great season. Personally I
> would have given it to Gianluigi Buffon," added the tactician,
whose
> side held Real Madrid to a 2-2 draw in their latest Champions
League
> Group E tie.
>
> "It's a scandal and the thing that bothers me most is that Thierry
> Henry, a player who has been scoring 20 goals a season for years
now
> and appeared in two finals in the last season, was not even taken
> into consideration, there was a negative campaign around him.
>
> "As to Cannavaro, you only need to look at what John Carew managed
> to do against him in the Champions League – watching that game you
> understand that Cannavaro's win is an abominable result," concluded
> Houllier.
>
> --------
>
> Vuyo
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
>

Hi everone,

Excellent news: Canna has just won the Golden Ball (Best European
Player Award). All I have to say is Grazie Fabio and Good Luck for
the future! He deserves it, he even deserved that Most Valuable
Player award at the World Cup that went to Zidane

But some idiot named Houllier is against it – what a hater! This is
from the Fottball Italia site:

-----------

Lyon Coach Gerard Houllier has hit out at the decision to award the
2006 Golden Ball to Fabio Cannavaro. "It's a scandal," he declared.

The official announcement of the world champion's victory will take
place this evening in Paris.

The defender will become the fourth Italian player to win the
prestigious trophy, following Gianni Rivera in 1969, Paolo Rossi in
1982 and Roberto Baggio in 1993.

"Compared to other players he certainly didn't deserve to win,"
claimed Houllier.

"He played a great World Cup, but not a great season. Personally I
would have given it to Gianluigi Buffon," added the tactician, whose
side held Real Madrid to a 2-2 draw in their latest Champions League
Group E tie.

"It's a scandal and the thing that bothers me most is that Thierry
Henry, a player who has been scoring 20 goals a season for years now
and appeared in two finals in the last season, was not even taken
into consideration, there was a negative campaign around him.

"As to Cannavaro, you only need to look at what John Carew managed
to do against him in the Champions League – watching that game you
understand that Cannavaro's win is an abominable result," concluded
Houllier.

--------

Vuyo

Hi Be,

Why do I hate Real? Well, I suppose I don't really - but I think
they've been coasting on past glories for quite a while, and as a fan
of good defending I get impatient with the "why bother with defence,
we'll just score more goals" tactics (I get annoyed with Brazil for
the same reason.) Mainly, though, I just don't like anyone telling me
what to do, and the media in the UK are Real (and Brazil) mad and
always talk about them as though you couldn't possibly support anyone
against them, which just gets up my nose! I think people naturally
dislike the big teams, especially when they've largely bought success
- for example, just about everyone hates Chelsea now over here. I
realise this doesn't sit very well with being a Milan fan, but hey, I
freely admit that most of my footballing likes and dislikes are
totally irrational. I have strong feelings for or against teams or
players often for no good reason at all. Obviously anyone who ever
did or said anything remotely nasty about our Sandro is permanently on
my shit list, even if they only looked at him funny in my opinion.
(But hey, perhaps I'm not the only one who shouts at Fiorentina's
Ujfalusi every single time he does anything less than great on the
field, "Still think you're better than Nesta, then, do you?" My
nearest and dearest have a lot to put up with, I can tell you.) But
failing real reasons, I can dislike a team just for wearing nasty
strips or having bad hair. Equally, I can warm towards a team for no
better reason than having at least one lovely defender - and of course
Barca's very beautiful Rafa Marquez fits the bill nicely, sorry, Be.
However, Real having bought Canna now gives me much more of a reason
to enjoy watching them, so you never know - I may come to like them in
the end!

Marion

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, be <beyali2001@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Marion
> i agree you.i only would go to stadium if i would be interested..
in my cas i would never go to see a barcelona match... and the tickets
are too expensive so i won´t waste my money in a match i am not
interested.
> why didn´t do to se rea? and why do you hate real?. .. well
altoguth i hate barcelona if someone offer me a ticket for cl final i
would go, well if barcelona play i would go is the ticket is free, i
won´t pay for seeing barcelona,
> well i hope to see milan before nesta retire.. but i see it difficult
> well bye
>

Hi everone,

Excellent news: Canna has just won the Golden Ball (Best European
Player Award). All I have to say is Grazie Fabio and Good Luck for
the future! He deserves it, he even deserved that Most Valuable
Player award at the World Cup that went to Zidane

But some idiot named Houllier is against it – what a hater! This is
from the Fottball Italia site:

-----------

Lyon Coach Gerard Houllier has hit out at the decision to award the
2006 Golden Ball to Fabio Cannavaro. "It's a scandal," he declared.

The official announcement of the world champion's victory will take
place this evening in Paris.

The defender will become the fourth Italian player to win the
prestigious trophy, following Gianni Rivera in 1969, Paolo Rossi in
1982 and Roberto Baggio in 1993.

"Compared to other players he certainly didn't deserve to win,"
claimed Houllier.

"He played a great World Cup, but not a great season. Personally I
would have given it to Gianluigi Buffon," added the tactician, whose
side held Real Madrid to a 2-2 draw in their latest Champions League
Group E tie.

"It's a scandal and the thing that bothers me most is that Thierry
Henry, a player who has been scoring 20 goals a season for years now
and appeared in two finals in the last season, was not even taken
into consideration, there was a negative campaign around him.

"As to Cannavaro, you only need to look at what John Carew managed
to do against him in the Champions League – watching that game you
understand that Cannavaro's win is an abominable result," concluded
Houllier.

--------

Vuyo

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Hi everone,

Excellent news: Canna has just won the Golden Ball (Best European
Player Award). All I have to say is Grazie Fabio and Good Luck for
the future! He deserves it, he even deserved that Most Valuable
Player award at the World Cup that went to Zidane

But some idiot named Houllier is against it – what a hater! This is
from the Fottball Italia site:

-----------

Lyon Coach Gerard Houllier has hit out at the decision to award the
2006 Golden Ball to Fabio Cannavaro. "It's a scandal," he declared.

The official announcement of the world champion's victory will take
place this evening in Paris.

The defender will become the fourth Italian player to win the
prestigious trophy, following Gianni Rivera in 1969, Paolo Rossi in
1982 and Roberto Baggio in 1993.

"Compared to other players he certainly didn't deserve to win,"
claimed Houllier.

"He played a great World Cup, but not a great season. Personally I
would have given it to Gianluigi Buffon," added the tactician, whose
side held Real Madrid to a 2-2 draw in their latest Champions League
Group E tie.

"It's a scandal and the thing that bothers me most is that Thierry
Henry, a player who has been scoring 20 goals a season for years now
and appeared in two finals in the last season, was not even taken
into consideration, there was a negative campaign around him.

"As to Cannavaro, you only need to look at what John Carew managed
to do against him in the Champions League – watching that game you
understand that Cannavaro's win is an abominable result," concluded
Houllier.

--------

Vuyo

Ming,

Great to have you back!  I hope you had a great time on your travels.
  I can't believe you were prevented from seeing Nesta by the infamous
San Siro scooter incident - now that's really bad luck.  I'm afraid I
have to add you to our list of group jinxers for that...  I'm also
glad that other people plan their holidays around football matches, as
I've lost count of the people who look at me as though I'm totally off
my head when I'm foolish enough to admit to doing it.

You've probably not missed much by not having seen Milan in a while -
it has been frustrating watching for the past few weeks.  Still, your
return clearly inspired them this weekend, even if poor old Maldini
with his creaky knees had to do it all himself.  Let's hope this marks
a turning point.

Marion

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "jujuboodoo" <michele.chang@...>
wrote:
>
> Thank you so much Marion for sharing your eye-witness experience at
> the Milan games with us!  Love your reports!  (BTW, if you still
> thing you are a jinx to Milan and Nesta, just try putting a paper bag
> over your head next time you see them play live or on Sky TV. ;-P)
>
> Living in Toronto, I have seen Nesta play live only once, in New York
> in 2003 when the Italian Super Cup was played there.  (Milan lost to
> Juve in a shoot-out after drawing 1-1 over 120 minutes.)  But I sure
> hope I'll have another chance to see him play live again before he
> retires.  Actually I had another chance to see him play live in 2001,
> when Lazio was to visit Inter the weekend after the CL final in
> Milan.  (I was at the San Siro to see Bayern Munich win their 4th Big
> Cup 25 years after their 3rd. :-D ) And I planned my stay in Milan
> around the TWO games.  But it was not to be:  a couple weeks earlier--
> after I've finalized my itinery and hotel bookings, some idiot of an
> Inter fan threw a motorcycle off the 2nd tier stands at the San Siro,
> so Inter was banned from their home ground for a couple games and the
> game against Lazio was moved to neutral ground, all the way south to
> Bari!  So my impression of Inter fans is not as good as yours. ;-)
> But seriously though, I do agree with you that in general, the fans
> in Milan, though passionate, do see the Derby as a football game
> instead of something bigger than life and death; and the Milan Derby
> (with the exception of the abandoned Euro derby in 2005, I suppose)
> is certainly less tense than the Roman Derby or the Glasgow Derby.
> Still, crowd control seems to have been done very well in the UK in
> the past decade or so:  I don't remember any incidents of violence or
> other outrage surrounding the Glasgow Derby during that time.
>
> Last but not least, I also want to thank all the members who posted
> game reports and participated in discussions while I was away.  (I
> was travelling in China, where football coverage on TV is actually
> better than in Canada.  But the widely available sports channel of
> Chinese Central TV seemed to have become the official channel of
> Inter: every time I turned on the TV for the Sunday serie A game, it
> was an Inter game!  And the Milan Derby was shown live at 2:30 AM
> China time, if it was shown indeed : I did not get up in the middle
> of the night to find out.  So I did not get to see a single Milan
> game for the last month and a half. :-(  Oh well, I did get to see
> THREE  bundesliga games Bayern Munich played, which I absolutely
> cannot see in Canada, so I should not complain too much.)
>
> Ming
>
>

Hi Be,

Why do I hate Real?  Well, I suppose I don't really - but I think
they've been coasting on past glories for quite a while, and as a fan
of good defending I get impatient with the "why bother with defence,
we'll just score more goals" tactics (I get annoyed with Brazil for
the same reason.)  Mainly, though, I just don't like anyone telling me
what to do, and the media in the UK are Real (and Brazil) mad and
always talk about them as though you couldn't possibly support anyone
against them, which just gets up my nose!  I think people naturally
dislike the big teams, especially when they've largely bought success
- for example, just about everyone hates Chelsea now over here.  I
realise this doesn't sit very well with being a Milan fan, but hey, I
freely admit that most of my footballing likes and dislikes are
totally irrational.  I have strong feelings for or against teams or
players often for no good reason at all.  Obviously anyone who ever
did or said anything remotely nasty about our Sandro is permanently on
my shit list, even if they only looked at him funny in my opinion.
(But hey, perhaps I'm not the only one who shouts at Fiorentina's
Ujfalusi every single time he does anything less than great on the
field, "Still think you're better than Nesta, then, do you?"  My
nearest and dearest have a lot to put up with, I can tell you.)  But
failing real reasons, I can dislike a team just for wearing nasty
strips or having bad hair.  Equally, I can warm towards a team for no
better reason than having at least one lovely defender - and of course
Barca's very beautiful Rafa Marquez fits the bill nicely, sorry, Be.
However, Real having bought Canna now gives me much more of a reason
to enjoy watching them, so you never know - I may come to like them in
the end!

Marion

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, be <beyali2001@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Marion
>   i agree you.i only would go to stadium if i would be interested..
in my cas i would never go to see a barcelona match... and the tickets
are too expensive so i won´t waste my money in a match i am not
interested.
>    why didn´t do to se rea? and why  do you hate real?. .. well
altoguth i hate barcelona if someone offer me a ticket for  cl final i
would go, well if barcelona play i would go is the ticket is free, i
won´t pay for seeing barcelona,
>    well i hope to see milan before nesta retire.. but i see it difficult
>   well bye
>

Thanks Jo Jo and Beyali,

I'll gladly share the blame with you for making Milan lose.  In fact
it makes me smile to think that all of us might be feeling the same
(hopping around our living rooms desparate to go to the loo but can't
in case the wrong team scores because we've stopped concentrating on
the game!)  You'd think that the positive thoughts of all the group
members would be of some help, wouldn't you?  As this week's game
wasn't shown on my TV station I didn't have to resort to the paper
bag, but I can't help but notice that Milan won... hmm, maybe I
shouldn't watch ANY games and see if we win a few?

Marion

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, be <beyali2001@...> wrote:
>
> yas
>    the teams are the only responsible  for their loss, altoguht
sometime i have had that sensationn.. it happens with real madrid.
when i saw them they always lose.. i thought i was a bad  kucky
charm.. well in fact  i don´t want my father see real matches becasue
my  father usually guess what team is going to lose.. and when he say
real is going to lose .. that ha`ppens
>   bye
>
> jojorollin <Jojorollin@...> wrote:
>           Marion, I KNOW it's not your fault. Everytime I see a big
game of
> Milan's ,whether it's on TV or live, I want to go to the bathroom or
> something to get out of the room when somethoing big is happening, to
> give them a chance. But I am here to say, I am not the reason they win
> or lose even thought sometimes I feel like the JINX. So, we will make
> a pack,no one is responsible for their loss except the team
> themselves. We will, from this point on, be their GOOD LUCK CHARM.
> Jo Jo
> --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "vlengisi" <vuyo.lengisi@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure it's not your fault and you can't be the jinx, although
> > it's a lot of bad luck...
> >
> > I used to think I was bad luck for the Azzurri because every World
> > Cup game I watched they lost - but it's really just bad luck.
> >

This game on Saturday is the first Milan game I've seen in 7 weeks!

Maldini scored with a header early in the first half, and Milan are
finally getting all three points.

Although I don't/can't write game reports, I can't help yapping a bit
on some random impressions of this game.

For a proper report, here is the link to Football-Italia:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/sa0607/mil-mes.html

I understand this performance represented a marked improvement over
that of the past little while, even though the strikers were still
firing blanks. At this point I don't care whether the strikers are
scoring, as long as **someone** scores, and the defense keep a clean
sheet!

I did not expect Nesta to start this game, what with his physical
problems, and I didn't mind--he needs the rest and the time to
recuperate. But after 7 weeks, I did get to see him play agian: he
was sent in midway through the second half to replace Bonera. He did
well enough, although I got a little worried when he grimaced in a
couple close-ups. Hopefully he is alright and his physical condition
continue to improve.

BTW, in one of Messina's counter-attacks late in the second half,
Nesta was trying to stop Di Napoli's charge forward, and Di Napoli
dived over Nesta's leg. When the ref reached for his cards, Nesta
knelt in front of the ref with his best "I am innocent" look. And
when the yellow card turned out to be for Di Napoli for diving, Nesta
looked mightily relieved, and cheerfully went to give Di Napoli a
hug! I thought that was pretty funny.

Gourcuff had an excellent game after a couple of what were said to be
sub-par games when he came back from injury. The kid has amazing
skills, and exceptional vision and awareness for one so young. Pirlo
also seemed to be coming out of his slump. Besides his passing, he
put in a few well-read and well-timed tackles too. I also think
Jankulovski had a good game. He seems to have finally fitted into
the team and hit his Udinese form. Brocchi ran and tackled like a
mad man a la Gattuso, but his passing was a little disappointing,
given he was, unlike Rino, once a winger. But the steel he provided
in the midfield in Rino's absence is still appreciated.

Kalac wasn't really tested, and I will keep my fingers crossed for
opponents more ambitious in attack than Messina.

Forza Nesta! and
Forza Milan!

Ming

This game on Saturday is the first Milan game I've seen in 7 weeks!

Maldini scored with a header early in the first half, and Milan are
finally getting all three points.

Although I don't/can't write game reports, I can't help yapping a bit
on some random impressions of this game.

For a proper report, here is the link to Football-Italia:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/sa0607/mil-mes.html

I understand this performance represented a marked improvement over
that of the past little while, even though the strikers were still
firing blanks. At this point I don't care whether the strikers are
scoring, as long as **someone** scores, and the defense keep a clean
sheet!

I did not expect Nesta to start this game, what with his physical
problems, and I didn't mind--he needs the rest and the time to
recuperate. But after 7 weeks, I did get to see him play agian: he
was sent in midway through the second half to replace Bonera. He did
well enough, although I got a little worried when he grimaced in a
couple close-ups. Hopefully he is alright and his physical condition
continue to improve.

BTW, in one of Messina's counter-attacks late in the second half,
Nesta was trying to stop Di Napoli's charge forward, and Di Napoli
dived over Nesta's leg.  When the ref reached for his cards, Nesta
knelt in front of the ref with his best "I am innocent" look.  And
when the yellow card turned out to be for Di Napoli for diving, Nesta
looked mightily relieved, and cheerfully went to give Di Napoli a
hug!  I thought that was pretty funny.

Gourcuff had an excellent game after a couple of what were said to be
sub-par games when he came back from injury. The kid has amazing
skills, and exceptional vision and awareness for one so young. Pirlo
also seemed to be coming out of his slump. Besides his passing, he
put in a few well-read and well-timed tackles too. I also think
Jankulovski had a good game. He seems to have finally fitted into
the team and hit his Udinese form. Brocchi ran and tackled like a
mad man a la Gattuso, but his passing was a little disappointing,
given he was, unlike Rino, once a winger. But the steel he provided
in the midfield in Rino's absence is still appreciated.

Kalac wasn't really tested, and I will keep my fingers crossed for
opponents more ambitious in attack than Messina.

Forza Nesta! and
Forza Milan!

Ming

Marion, I KNOW it's not your fault. Everytime I see a big game of
Milan's ,whether it's on TV or live, I want to go to the bathroom or
something to get out of the room when somethoing big is happening, to
give them a chance. But I am here to say, I am not the reason they win
or lose even thought sometimes I feel like the JINX. So, we will make
a pack,no one is responsible for their loss except the team
themselves. We will, from this point on, be their GOOD LUCK CHARM.
Jo Jo
--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "vlengisi" <vuyo.lengisi@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sure it's not your fault and you can't be the jinx, although
> it's a lot of bad luck...
>
> I used to think I was bad luck for the Azzurri because every World
> Cup game I watched they lost - but it's really just bad luck.
>
> --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, m blacka <ecosse082000@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Jo Jo,
> >
> > Thanks for trying to make me feel better, but my history of
> jinxing Milan and Nesta in particular goes back a long way! A few
> years ago, having been sickened by the British TV coverage of the
> Champions League (i.e. only interested in English
> teams, "highlights" of other teams reduced to 10 seconds, because,
> well, they're foreign, so nobody could be interested in them, could
> they?) and having abused my Sky-subscribing friends for too long, I
> finally signed up for Sky in time for the first round of the group
> stages 2003. I was all excited, choosing my match from the inter-
> active service - fantastic! First game was against Brugge, I think,
> and what happened? Maldini went off injured after only half-an-
> hour, then Nesta got sent off immediately after for a second yellow
> for petulantly kicking the ball away! Thereby missing the next
> game, of course. How often does Nesta get sent off? Not very
> often, so I felt that had to be my fault, and I wasn't even there!
> Later the
> > same season, no sooner had I paid for match tickets and booked
> flights for my first live Milan game, than Nesta promptly got
> injured and missed the next couple of games. Obviously, we went
> anyway, disappointed at the thought of not seeing Nesta. However
> when the players came out to warm up I spotted the unmistakable run
> of Sandro immediately, so thought he might at least be on the bench,
> but I got lucky and he played the whole game - phew! I sympathise
> with your Washing DC experiences - how unfair! Going to live games
> is all a bit of a lottery, isn't it?
> >
> > Marion
> >
> > jojorollin <Jojorollin@> wrote:
> > Marion, you are not a jinx. The first game I saw with
> Milan, in
> > Washington DC. I sat on the Defensive line, only it was Barcelona's
> > defensive line, but that was ok, the second half would bring me up
> > close and personal with My beloved Defensive line of Maldini and
> > Nesta. After halftime they announced both Nesta and Maldini were
> > substituted. I was not a happy camper, and I thoughtI was a jinx.
> The
> > second game in New York City againt Man.U, I felt like I was the
> only
> > fan, but a fellow member ( I don't remember her nemae, I'm sorry)
> and I
> > yelled our lungs out. They won on Penalty Kicks (Nesta and Maldini
> > made them)It is so thrilling to see them play. I'm glad you got to
> see
> > them, not once but twice.
> > By the way, it was me who asked if Nesta looked tired.
> > Thanks for reporting even though you had a "hazy memory"I certainly
> > appreciate your report. Jo Jo
> >
> > --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "ecosse082000"
> > <ecosse082000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Girls,
> > >
> > > As it's horribly quiet around here, I thought I'd bore you all
> with my
> > > holiday stories. I was in Italy recently and managed to go to 2
> Milan
> > > games, and also Torino v Fiorentina while I was away. I was
> going to
> > > wait until I'd seen the taped games so I could pretend to have
> > > fantastic recall of the matches, only as I still haven't had the
> time,
> > > I'll just go for hazy memories instead.
> > >
> > > Our first game was Milan v Palermo on 22 October, notable, as we
> all
> > > know, for a horrible error by Nesta for the first goal. Milan
> played
> > > well for the first half, so it was very disappointing that it was
> > > thrown away, and especially by Nesta! I was interested to see the
> > > posts about the birth of his baby around that date – someone
> asked if
> > > he looked tired, well, the main thing I had noted was his body
> > > language after giving away the goal. He looked like he just
> didn't
> > > want to be there, like he couldn't move, like he was looking to
> be
> > > subbed, there was much leaning over hands on knees, although he
> didn't
> > > appear to be injured. I was quite pleased to read that there was
> an
> > > excuse for him actually being physically and emotionally
> exhausted,
> > > because at the time I was quite shocked – I thought it was very
> > > unprofessional behaviour. Nesta aside, the other obvious problem
> was
> > > that Gila and Pippo should not be played together – I think it
> was
> > > Carol who also said that here. They are forever going for the
> same
> > > ball, and Gila doesn't do enough, in my opinion, to give options
> and
> > > at least pull defenders away and create opportunities for other
> > > players. All quite disappointing, really, though we did have
> terrific
> > > seats – just below the press area, right on the centre line. It
> was
> > > the first time I had been at a live game that Milan didn't win,
> which
> > > just felt so wrong...
> > >
> > > Our other Milan game was my very first Milan Derby! I've never
> bought
> > > tickets from a tout before (we did try the legal methods first,
> and
> > > our first stop was Milan Point, but it was already totally sold
> out.)
> > > Having bought horribly expensive dodgy tickets we then worried
> about
> > > them right up until we got in. Since the security has increased a
> > > fair bit since the first Milan game I went to, and particularly
> since
> > > it was the Derby, I was afraid they'd check the tickets closely,
> and
> > > since the names on the tickets were Luigi and Umberto, I thought
> we
> > > might have some difficulty carrying that off if questioned!
> However,
> > > the stewards couldn't care less. Our seats were pretty good,
> although
> > > I was completely disorientated because previously I've always
> sat at
> > > the other side of the pitch, the side where the tunnel is and
> that the
> > > TV pictures are taken from, so I kept looking at the wrong
> place, much
> > > to my friend's amusement. It really was full - absolutely
> packed, not
> > > a spare seat to be seen, and the atmosphere was amazing. The
> banners
> > > and flags from both sides were impressive (though the Interisti
> kind
> > > of stole the show with their half-time sparkler display - very
> pretty!)
> > >
> > > We were amazed to see how many Inter fans there were in the Milan
> > > crowd – in full colours as well, some sitting very near us. You
> just
> > > would not get that in my country – you wouldn't get in the area
> in the
> > > opposing team's colours, in the first place, and you could be in
> > > serious trouble if the fans spotted you. At first I thought it
> was
> > > good – you know, that the fans could mix without trouble, but I
> > > thought they'd at least have to behave themselves, but oh no!
> They
> > > were singing and jumping around, goading the Milan fans, which
> > > resulted in some throwing of stuff in their (and thus our)
> direction.
> > > When we went 2 - nil down I felt like throwing things at them
> too. I
> > > did fear for the worst (at the Palermo game I said it could be 4-
> 0 to
> > > Inter, and it looked only too likely at that point.) However,
> Milan
> > > rallied very well in the second half and we so nearly equalised
> in the
> > > last few minutes. At least it gave the fans something to cheer -
> the
> > > crowd remained supportive to the end, and it was a genuinely
> exciting
> > > game, however disappointing the final result. It was definitely
> an
> > > experience to be there, and 6 of the 7 goals were at our end, so
> it
> > > was pretty good value for money in the end. Interestingly, the
> > > atmosphere, though passionate, was not intimidating and I didn't
> see
> > > any crowd trouble. The fans seemed to mix quite happily before
> and
> > > after the game.
> > >
> > > The Torino game was the third home-team loss I watched in 10
> days, so
> > > I felt I was a major jinx by the time I came home (though Milan
> have
> > > managed to lose all by themselves without my help ever since
> then.)
> > >
> > > Ah well, that's what being a fan is all about, I suppose - and at
> > > least we're still in the Champions League!
> > >
> > > Marion
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Send instant messages to your online friends
> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> >
>

Marion, I KNOW it's not your fault. Everytime I see a big game of
Milan's ,whether it's on TV or live, I want to go to the bathroom or
something to get out of the room when somethoing big is happening, to
give them a chance. But I am here to say, I am not the reason they win
or lose even thought sometimes I feel like the JINX. So, we will make
a pack,no one is responsible for their loss except the team
themselves. We will, from this point on, be their GOOD LUCK CHARM.
  Jo Jo
--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "vlengisi" <vuyo.lengisi@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sure it's not your fault and you can't be the jinx, although
> it's a lot of bad luck...
>
> I used to think I was bad luck for the Azzurri because every World
> Cup game I watched they lost - but it's really just bad luck.
>
> --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, m blacka <ecosse082000@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Jo Jo,
> >
> >   Thanks for trying to make me feel better, but my history of
> jinxing Milan and Nesta in particular goes back a long way!  A few
> years ago, having been sickened by the British TV coverage of the
> Champions League (i.e. only interested in English
> teams, "highlights" of other teams reduced to 10 seconds, because,
> well, they're foreign, so nobody could be interested in them, could
> they?) and having abused my Sky-subscribing friends for too long, I
> finally signed up for Sky in time for the first round of the group
> stages 2003.  I was all excited, choosing my match from the inter-
> active service - fantastic!  First game was against Brugge, I think,
> and what happened?  Maldini went off injured after only half-an-
> hour, then Nesta got sent off immediately after for a second yellow
> for petulantly kicking the ball away!  Thereby missing the next
> game, of course.  How often does Nesta get sent off?  Not very
> often, so I felt that had to be my fault, and I wasn't even there!
> Later the
> >  same season, no sooner had I paid for match tickets and booked
> flights for my first live Milan game, than Nesta promptly got
> injured and missed the next couple of games.  Obviously, we went
> anyway, disappointed at the thought of not seeing Nesta.  However
> when the players came out to warm up I spotted the unmistakable run
> of Sandro immediately, so thought he might at least be on the bench,
> but I got lucky and he played the whole game - phew!  I sympathise
> with your Washing DC experiences - how unfair!  Going to live games
> is all a bit of a lottery, isn't it?
> >
> >   Marion
> >
> > jojorollin <Jojorollin@> wrote:
> >           Marion, you are not a jinx. The first game I saw with
> Milan, in
> > Washington DC. I sat on the Defensive line, only it was Barcelona's
> > defensive line, but that was ok, the second half would bring me up
> > close and personal with My beloved Defensive line of Maldini and
> > Nesta. After halftime they announced both Nesta and Maldini were
> > substituted. I was not a happy camper, and I thoughtI was a jinx.
> The
> > second game in New York City againt Man.U, I felt like I was the
> only
> > fan, but a fellow member ( I don't remember her nemae, I'm sorry)
> and I
> > yelled our lungs out. They won on Penalty Kicks (Nesta and Maldini
> > made them)It is so thrilling to see them play. I'm glad you got to
> see
> > them, not once but twice.
> > By the way, it was me who asked if Nesta looked tired.
> > Thanks for reporting even though you had a "hazy memory"I certainly
> > appreciate your report. Jo Jo
> >
> > --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "ecosse082000"
> > <ecosse082000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Girls,
> > >
> > > As it's horribly quiet around here, I thought I'd bore you all
> with my
> > > holiday stories. I was in Italy recently and managed to go to 2
> Milan
> > > games, and also Torino v Fiorentina while I was away. I was
> going to
> > > wait until I'd seen the taped games so I could pretend to have
> > > fantastic recall of the matches, only as I still haven't had the
> time,
> > > I'll just go for hazy memories instead.
> > >
> > > Our first game was Milan v Palermo on 22 October, notable, as we
> all
> > > know, for a horrible error by Nesta for the first goal. Milan
> played
> > > well for the first half, so it was very disappointing that it was
> > > thrown away, and especially by Nesta! I was interested to see the
> > > posts about the birth of his baby around that date – someone
> asked if
> > > he looked tired, well, the main thing I had noted was his body
> > > language after giving away the goal. He looked like he just
> didn't
> > > want to be there, like he couldn't move, like he was looking to
> be
> > > subbed, there was much leaning over hands on knees, although he
> didn't
> > > appear to be injured. I was quite pleased to read that there was
> an
> > > excuse for him actually being physically and emotionally
> exhausted,
> > > because at the time I was quite shocked – I thought it was very
> > > unprofessional behaviour. Nesta aside, the other obvious problem
> was
> > > that Gila and Pippo should not be played together – I think it
> was
> > > Carol who also said that here. They are forever going for the
> same
> > > ball, and Gila doesn't do enough, in my opinion, to give options
> and
> > > at least pull defenders away and create opportunities for other
> > > players. All quite disappointing, really, though we did have
> terrific
> > > seats – just below the press area, right on the centre line. It
> was
> > > the first time I had been at a live game that Milan didn't win,
> which
> > > just felt so wrong...
> > >
> > > Our other Milan game was my very first Milan Derby! I've never
> bought
> > > tickets from a tout before (we did try the legal methods first,
> and
> > > our first stop was Milan Point, but it was already totally sold
> out.)
> > > Having bought horribly expensive dodgy tickets we then worried
> about
> > > them right up until we got in. Since the security has increased a
> > > fair bit since the first Milan game I went to, and particularly
> since
> > > it was the Derby, I was afraid they'd check the tickets closely,
> and
> > > since the names on the tickets were Luigi and Umberto, I thought
> we
> > > might have some difficulty carrying that off if questioned!
> However,
> > > the stewards couldn't care less. Our seats were pretty good,
> although
> > > I was completely disorientated because previously I've always
> sat at
> > > the other side of the pitch, the side where the tunnel is and
> that the
> > > TV pictures are taken from, so I kept looking at the wrong
> place, much
> > > to my friend's amusement. It really was full - absolutely
> packed, not
> > > a spare seat to be seen, and the atmosphere was amazing. The
> banners
> > > and flags from both sides were impressive (though the Interisti
> kind
> > > of stole the show with their half-time sparkler display - very
> pretty!)
> > >
> > > We were amazed to see how many Inter fans there were in the Milan
> > > crowd – in full colours as well, some sitting very near us. You
> just
> > > would not get that in my country – you wouldn't get in the area
> in the
> > > opposing team's colours, in the first place, and you could be in
> > > serious trouble if the fans spotted you. At first I thought it
> was
> > > good – you know, that the fans could mix without trouble, but I
> > > thought they'd at least have to behave themselves, but oh no!
> They
> > > were singing and jumping around, goading the Milan fans, which
> > > resulted in some throwing of stuff in their (and thus our)
> direction.
> > > When we went 2 - nil down I felt like throwing things at them
> too. I
> > > did fear for the worst (at the Palermo game I said it could be 4-
> 0 to
> > > Inter, and it looked only too likely at that point.) However,
> Milan
> > > rallied very well in the second half and we so nearly equalised
> in the
> > > last few minutes. At least it gave the fans something to cheer -
> the
> > > crowd remained supportive to the end, and it was a genuinely
> exciting
> > > game, however disappointing the final result. It was definitely
> an
> > > experience to be there, and 6 of the 7 goals were at our end, so
> it
> > > was pretty good value for money in the end. Interestingly, the
> > > atmosphere, though passionate, was not intimidating and I didn't
> see
> > > any crowd trouble. The fans seemed to mix quite happily before
> and
> > > after the game.
> > >
> > > The Torino game was the third home-team loss I watched in 10
> days, so
> > > I felt I was a major jinx by the time I came home (though Milan
> have
> > > managed to lose all by themselves without my help ever since
> then.)
> > >
> > > Ah well, that's what being a fan is all about, I suppose - and at
> > > least we're still in the Champions League!
> > >
> > > Marion
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Send instant messages to your online friends
> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: jujuboodoo

To: MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 6:06 AM

Subject: [MinisterNesta] Re: Interview from AC Milan

Thank you Marion, for posting this interview.

As Nesta said: "I've never said anything. I don't love talking and I
don't love appearing on television. I just get on with it." But that
is the "problem", since he said nothing, the media are free to print
any speculation they like. While I've always been sceptical and not
worried about the recent transfer rumours surrounding Nesta, those
persistent rumours did get some members confused. Hopefully the
words from Nesta's own mouth will clear things up for now. (Not that
certain fans of Lazio's Nesta, or fans of fairy tales, would believe
in Nesta's words when those words were quoted on Milan's official
site: to them, anything Nesta said on Milan's official site that they
do not like is either pure fabricated propaganda or forced out of
Nesta's mouth with a gun to his head.)

Anyway, I do agree with Nesta's observation that Milan (and he
himself in particular) suffered from an abbreviated summer break,
especially in a world cup year. What is worse is that they were in
fact called back in the middle of their holidays. (Don't tell me
about Denmark at Euro92. That was a three week tournament. Here we
are talking about a long, hard league and CL season.) As for Nesta,
for the first time since 1998, Nesta did not have any pre-season
preparation. In 1998, he suffered a seious knee injury during the
world cup, but that time it was obvious his injury was very serious
and he was not rushed back onto the field, and at least he had some
rest when he was recuperating and could not train nor play. This
time, the injury he suffered at the world cup was less serious, but
it did prevent him from joining his teammates in proper summer
training; and groin injuries tend to be tricky and their seriousness
difficult to diagnose exactly. While he is far from being over-the-
hill, he isn't 22 any more either. So, with the injury problems, the
tiredness, the lack of time to recover and prepare, I am not terribly
surprised that Nesta has had the longest stretch of poor form since
I've started following his career closely. I am certain as soon as
he returns to 100% physically, we will see Nesta at the level of
excellence we are used to. I hope that will happen sooner rather
than later even though things don't look very good right now.

Forza Nesta!

Ming

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, m blacka <ecosse082000@...>
wrote:
>
> For those who may not have seen this on the official Milan website,
>
> Marion
>
> Sandro Nesta maintains he has no desire to move on and what is
needed now is a run of good results up until the winter break.
>
> This is what Sandro Nesta had to say in an interview with Milan
Channel.
>
> - Sandro, is it the situation in the Milan dressing room that has
been reported over these past days?
> 'No, not at all. When you are in difficulty you have to face up to
it. There are things that have to be left alone. The results aren't
coming so they are speaking badly about Milan and its players, we
have to isolate ourselves from this and think about training to get
to where we were.'
> - What are Milan paying for?
> 'We are paying for not having a vacation. We had seven days off and
we had to come back to Milanello, although with pleasure, to prepare
for the Champions League preliminary round. We know we aren't
brilliant in terms of what we are going on the pitch, it isn't
working at the moment but we will work on getting back to where we
were.'
> - What's the right cure?
> 'If there was a little more time to have a vacation before and
straight after we got back to training but there was little time for
either. There are a lot games and we haven't managed to train well.
Now we have to find a series of positive results at all costs, then
get ourselves in place during the winter break.'
> - What about your future?
> I've never said anything. I've here at Milan for some time, I don't
love talking and I don't love appearing on television. I just get on
with it. It's said I want to leave but it's not true. I am fine here,
my family are fine here. I am talking to the club just as they have
spoken to the other players before signing a new contract and so I
think I will remain here.'
> -What about Italy?
> I have spoken about my duty regarding tonight's game. I explained
that I not fully fit at the moment. I have to recover my fitness,
this is my priority. We'll see how my body feels and consequently we
regulate everything.'
>
>
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Thank you so much Marion for sharing your eye-witness experience at
the Milan games with us! Love your reports! (BTW, if you still
thing you are a jinx to Milan and Nesta, just try putting a paper bag
over your head next time you see them play live or on Sky TV. ;-P)

Living in Toronto, I have seen Nesta play live only once, in New York
in 2003 when the Italian Super Cup was played there. (Milan lost to
Juve in a shoot-out after drawing 1-1 over 120 minutes.) But I sure
hope I'll have another chance to see him play live again before he
retires. Actually I had another chance to see him play live in 2001,
when Lazio was to visit Inter the weekend after the CL final in
Milan. (I was at the San Siro to see Bayern Munich win their 4th Big
Cup 25 years after their 3rd. :-D ) And I planned my stay in Milan
around the TWO games. But it was not to be: a couple weeks earlier--
after I've finalized my itinery and hotel bookings, some idiot of an
Inter fan threw a motorcycle off the 2nd tier stands at the San Siro,
so Inter was banned from their home ground for a couple games and the
game against Lazio was moved to neutral ground, all the way south to
Bari! So my impression of Inter fans is not as good as yours. ;-)
But seriously though, I do agree with you that in general, the fans
in Milan, though passionate, do see the Derby as a football game
instead of something bigger than life and death; and the Milan Derby
(with the exception of the abandoned Euro derby in 2005, I suppose)
is certainly less tense than the Roman Derby or the Glasgow Derby.
Still, crowd control seems to have been done very well in the UK in
the past decade or so: I don't remember any incidents of violence or
other outrage surrounding the Glasgow Derby during that time.

Last but not least, I also want to thank all the members who posted
game reports and participated in discussions while I was away. (I
was travelling in China, where football coverage on TV is actually
better than in Canada. But the widely available sports channel of
Chinese Central TV seemed to have become the official channel of
Inter: every time I turned on the TV for the Sunday serie A game, it
was an Inter game! And the Milan Derby was shown live at 2:30 AM
China time, if it was shown indeed : I did not get up in the middle
of the night to find out. So I did not get to see a single Milan
game for the last month and a half. :-( Oh well, I did get to see
THREE bundesliga games Bayern Munich played, which I absolutely
cannot see in Canada, so I should not complain too much.)

Ming

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, m blacka <ecosse082000@...>
wrote:
>
> Be,
> I hope you get a chance to go to see Milan sometime. I get mad
at people who go to big games just because it's "the thing to do" and
aren't even interested in the game, leaving no tickets for the real
fans. I even turned down a guaranteed ticket for the Champions
League final when it was in Scotland, because I hate Real Madrid
(sorry!) and felt it was a waste of a ticket when a real fan would
have got so much more out of it. (Of course, now I regret it, but I
meant it at the time!) At the Milan derby there were 3 girls in
front of us who spent the whole match palying with their mobile
phones and not watching the game at all - there were people who would
have killed for those tickets!
>
> Marion
>
> be <beyali2001@...> wrote:
> heu girls
> Both of you are very fourtenately of seeing milan
> i triedsome years ago to see milan when they played agains real
madrid but it wasn´t tickets.
> you must be happy.. i suppose becasue i was very happy when some
years ago i saw real madrid for the fidt time.
> and last year i becone exciting when i see roberto carlos an
salgado ... so i suupose how you must be feel
> bye
>
> jojorollin <Jojorollin@...> wrote:
> Marion, you are not a jinx. The first game I saw with Milan,
in
> Washington DC. I sat on the Defensive line, only it was Barcelona's
> defensive line, but that was ok, the second half would bring me up
> close and personal with My beloved Defensive line of Maldini and
> Nesta. After halftime they announced both Nesta and Maldini were
> substituted. I was not a happy camper, and I thoughtI was a jinx.
The
> second game in New York City againt Man.U, I felt like I was the
only
> fan, but a fellow member ( I don't remember her nemae, I'm sorry)
and I
> yelled our lungs out. They won on Penalty Kicks (Nesta and Maldini
> made them)It is so thrilling to see them play. I'm glad you got to
see
> them, not once but twice.
> By the way, it was me who asked if Nesta looked tired.
> Thanks for reporting even though you had a "hazy memory"I certainly
> appreciate your report. Jo Jo
>
> --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "ecosse082000"
> <ecosse082000@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Girls,
> >
> > As it's horribly quiet around here, I thought I'd bore you all
with my
> > holiday stories. I was in Italy recently and managed to go to 2
Milan
> > games, and also Torino v Fiorentina while I was away. I was going
to
> > wait until I'd seen the taped games so I could pretend to have
> > fantastic recall of the matches, only as I still haven't had the
time,
> > I'll just go for hazy memories instead.
> >
> > Our first game was Milan v Palermo on 22 October, notable, as we
all
> > know, for a horrible error by Nesta for the first goal. Milan
played
> > well for the first half, so it was very disappointing that it was
> > thrown away, and especially by Nesta! I was interested to see the
> > posts about the birth of his baby around that date – someone
asked if
> > he looked tired, well, the main thing I had noted was his body
> > language after giving away the goal. He looked like he just didn't
> > want to be there, like he couldn't move, like he was looking to be
> > subbed, there was much leaning over hands on knees, although he
didn't
> > appear to be injured. I was quite pleased to read that there was
an
> > excuse for him actually being physically and emotionally
exhausted,
> > because at the time I was quite shocked – I thought it was very
> > unprofessional behaviour. Nesta aside, the other obvious problem
was
> > that Gila and Pippo should not be played together – I think it was
> > Carol who also said that here. They are forever going for the same
> > ball, and Gila doesn't do enough, in my opinion, to give options
and
> > at least pull defenders away and create opportunities for other
> > players. All quite disappointing, really, though we did have
terrific
> > seats – just below the press area, right on the centre line. It
was
> > the first time I had been at a live game that Milan didn't win,
which
> > just felt so wrong...
> >
> > Our other Milan game was my very first Milan Derby! I've never
bought
> > tickets from a tout before (we did try the legal methods first,
and
> > our first stop was Milan Point, but it was already totally sold
out.)
> > Having bought horribly expensive dodgy tickets we then worried
about
> > them right up until we got in. Since the security has increased a
> > fair bit since the first Milan game I went to, and particularly
since
> > it was the Derby, I was afraid they'd check the tickets closely,
and
> > since the names on the tickets were Luigi and Umberto, I thought
we
> > might have some difficulty carrying that off if questioned!
However,
> > the stewards couldn't care less. Our seats were pretty good,
although
> > I was completely disorientated because previously I've always sat
at
> > the other side of the pitch, the side where the tunnel is and
that the
> > TV pictures are taken from, so I kept looking at the wrong place,
much
> > to my friend's amusement. It really was full - absolutely packed,
not
> > a spare seat to be seen, and the atmosphere was amazing. The
banners
> > and flags from both sides were impressive (though the Interisti
kind
> > of stole the show with their half-time sparkler display - very
pretty!)
> >
> > We were amazed to see how many Inter fans there were in the Milan
> > crowd – in full colours as well, some sitting very near us. You
just
> > would not get that in my country – you wouldn't get in the area
in the
> > opposing team's colours, in the first place, and you could be in
> > serious trouble if the fans spotted you. At first I thought it was
> > good – you know, that the fans could mix without trouble, but I
> > thought they'd at least have to behave themselves, but oh no! They
> > were singing and jumping around, goading the Milan fans, which
> > resulted in some throwing of stuff in their (and thus our)
direction.
> > When we went 2 - nil down I felt like throwing things at them
too. I
> > did fear for the worst (at the Palermo game I said it could be 4-
0 to
> > Inter, and it looked only too likely at that point.) However,
Milan
> > rallied very well in the second half and we so nearly equalised
in the
> > last few minutes. At least it gave the fans something to cheer -
the
> > crowd remained supportive to the end, and it was a genuinely
exciting
> > game, however disappointing the final result. It was definitely an
> > experience to be there, and 6 of the 7 goals were at our end, so
it
> > was pretty good value for money in the end. Interestingly, the
> > atmosphere, though passionate, was not intimidating and I didn't
see
> > any crowd trouble. The fans seemed to mix quite happily before and
> > after the game.
> >
> > The Torino game was the third home-team loss I watched in 10
days, so
> > I felt I was a major jinx by the time I came home (though Milan
have
> > managed to lose all by themselves without my help ever since
then.)
> >
> > Ah well, that's what being a fan is all about, I suppose - and at
> > least we're still in the Champions League!
> >
> > Marion
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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I'm sure it's not your fault and you can't be the jinx, although
it's a lot of bad luck...

I used to think I was bad luck for the Azzurri because every World
Cup game I watched they lost - but it's really just bad luck.

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, m blacka <ecosse082000@...>
wrote:
>
> Jo Jo,
>
>   Thanks for trying to make me feel better, but my history of
jinxing Milan and Nesta in particular goes back a long way!  A few
years ago, having been sickened by the British TV coverage of the
Champions League (i.e. only interested in English
teams, "highlights" of other teams reduced to 10 seconds, because,
well, they're foreign, so nobody could be interested in them, could
they?) and having abused my Sky-subscribing friends for too long, I
finally signed up for Sky in time for the first round of the group
stages 2003.  I was all excited, choosing my match from the inter-
active service - fantastic!  First game was against Brugge, I think,
and what happened?  Maldini went off injured after only half-an-
hour, then Nesta got sent off immediately after for a second yellow
for petulantly kicking the ball away!  Thereby missing the next
game, of course.  How often does Nesta get sent off?  Not very
often, so I felt that had to be my fault, and I wasn't even there!
Later the
>  same season, no sooner had I paid for match tickets and booked
flights for my first live Milan game, than Nesta promptly got
injured and missed the next couple of games.  Obviously, we went
anyway, disappointed at the thought of not seeing Nesta.  However
when the players came out to warm up I spotted the unmistakable run
of Sandro immediately, so thought he might at least be on the bench,
but I got lucky and he played the whole game - phew!  I sympathise
with your Washing DC experiences - how unfair!  Going to live games
is all a bit of a lottery, isn't it?
>
>   Marion
>
> jojorollin <Jojorollin@...> wrote:
>           Marion, you are not a jinx. The first game I saw with
Milan, in
> Washington DC. I sat on the Defensive line, only it was Barcelona's
> defensive line, but that was ok, the second half would bring me up
> close and personal with My beloved Defensive line of Maldini and
> Nesta. After halftime they announced both Nesta and Maldini were
> substituted. I was not a happy camper, and I thoughtI was a jinx.
The
> second game in New York City againt Man.U, I felt like I was the
only
> fan, but a fellow member ( I don't remember her nemae, I'm sorry)
and I
> yelled our lungs out. They won on Penalty Kicks (Nesta and Maldini
> made them)It is so thrilling to see them play. I'm glad you got to
see
> them, not once but twice.
> By the way, it was me who asked if Nesta looked tired.
> Thanks for reporting even though you had a "hazy memory"I certainly
> appreciate your report. Jo Jo
>
> --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "ecosse082000"
> <ecosse082000@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Girls,
> >
> > As it's horribly quiet around here, I thought I'd bore you all
with my
> > holiday stories. I was in Italy recently and managed to go to 2
Milan
> > games, and also Torino v Fiorentina while I was away. I was
going to
> > wait until I'd seen the taped games so I could pretend to have
> > fantastic recall of the matches, only as I still haven't had the
time,
> > I'll just go for hazy memories instead.
> >
> > Our first game was Milan v Palermo on 22 October, notable, as we
all
> > know, for a horrible error by Nesta for the first goal. Milan
played
> > well for the first half, so it was very disappointing that it was
> > thrown away, and especially by Nesta! I was interested to see the
> > posts about the birth of his baby around that date – someone
asked if
> > he looked tired, well, the main thing I had noted was his body
> > language after giving away the goal. He looked like he just
didn't
> > want to be there, like he couldn't move, like he was looking to
be
> > subbed, there was much leaning over hands on knees, although he
didn't
> > appear to be injured. I was quite pleased to read that there was
an
> > excuse for him actually being physically and emotionally
exhausted,
> > because at the time I was quite shocked – I thought it was very
> > unprofessional behaviour. Nesta aside, the other obvious problem
was
> > that Gila and Pippo should not be played together – I think it
was
> > Carol who also said that here. They are forever going for the
same
> > ball, and Gila doesn't do enough, in my opinion, to give options
and
> > at least pull defenders away and create opportunities for other
> > players. All quite disappointing, really, though we did have
terrific
> > seats – just below the press area, right on the centre line. It
was
> > the first time I had been at a live game that Milan didn't win,
which
> > just felt so wrong...
> >
> > Our other Milan game was my very first Milan Derby! I've never
bought
> > tickets from a tout before (we did try the legal methods first,
and
> > our first stop was Milan Point, but it was already totally sold
out.)
> > Having bought horribly expensive dodgy tickets we then worried
about
> > them right up until we got in. Since the security has increased a
> > fair bit since the first Milan game I went to, and particularly
since
> > it was the Derby, I was afraid they'd check the tickets closely,
and
> > since the names on the tickets were Luigi and Umberto, I thought
we
> > might have some difficulty carrying that off if questioned!
However,
> > the stewards couldn't care less. Our seats were pretty good,
although
> > I was completely disorientated because previously I've always
sat at
> > the other side of the pitch, the side where the tunnel is and
that the
> > TV pictures are taken from, so I kept looking at the wrong
place, much
> > to my friend's amusement. It really was full - absolutely
packed, not
> > a spare seat to be seen, and the atmosphere was amazing. The
banners
> > and flags from both sides were impressive (though the Interisti
kind
> > of stole the show with their half-time sparkler display - very
pretty!)
> >
> > We were amazed to see how many Inter fans there were in the Milan
> > crowd – in full colours as well, some sitting very near us. You
just
> > would not get that in my country – you wouldn't get in the area
in the
> > opposing team's colours, in the first place, and you could be in
> > serious trouble if the fans spotted you. At first I thought it
was
> > good – you know, that the fans could mix without trouble, but I
> > thought they'd at least have to behave themselves, but oh no!
They
> > were singing and jumping around, goading the Milan fans, which
> > resulted in some throwing of stuff in their (and thus our)
direction.
> > When we went 2 - nil down I felt like throwing things at them
too. I
> > did fear for the worst (at the Palermo game I said it could be 4-
0 to
> > Inter, and it looked only too likely at that point.) However,
Milan
> > rallied very well in the second half and we so nearly equalised
in the
> > last few minutes. At least it gave the fans something to cheer -
the
> > crowd remained supportive to the end, and it was a genuinely
exciting
> > game, however disappointing the final result. It was definitely
an
> > experience to be there, and 6 of the 7 goals were at our end, so
it
> > was pretty good value for money in the end. Interestingly, the
> > atmosphere, though passionate, was not intimidating and I didn't
see
> > any crowd trouble. The fans seemed to mix quite happily before
and
> > after the game.
> >
> > The Torino game was the third home-team loss I watched in 10
days, so
> > I felt I was a major jinx by the time I came home (though Milan
have
> > managed to lose all by themselves without my help ever since
then.)
> >
> > Ah well, that's what being a fan is all about, I suppose - and at
> > least we're still in the Champions League!
> >
> > Marion
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Thank you Marion, for posting this interview.

As Nesta said: "I've never said anything. I don't love talking and I
don't love appearing on television. I just get on with it."  But that
is the "problem", since he said nothing, the media are free to print
any speculation they like.  While I've always been sceptical and not
worried about the recent transfer rumours surrounding Nesta, those
persistent rumours did get some members confused.  Hopefully the
words from Nesta's own mouth will clear things up for now.  (Not that
certain fans of Lazio's Nesta, or fans of fairy tales, would believe
in Nesta's words when those words were quoted on Milan's official
site: to them, anything Nesta said on Milan's official site that they
do not like is either pure fabricated propaganda or forced out of
Nesta's mouth with a gun to his head.)

Anyway, I do agree with Nesta's observation that Milan (and he
himself in particular) suffered from an abbreviated summer break,
especially in a world cup year.  What is worse is that they were in
fact called back in the middle of their holidays.  (Don't tell me
about Denmark at Euro92.  That was a three week tournament.  Here we
are talking about a long, hard league and CL season.) As for Nesta,
for the first time since 1998, Nesta did not have any pre-season
preparation.  In 1998, he suffered a seious knee injury during the
world cup, but that time it was obvious his injury was very serious
and he was not rushed back onto the field, and at least he had some
rest when he was recuperating and could not train nor play.  This
time, the injury he suffered at the world cup was less serious, but
it did prevent him from joining his teammates in proper summer
training; and groin injuries tend to be tricky and their seriousness
difficult to diagnose exactly.  While he is far from being over-the-
hill, he isn't 22 any more either.  So, with the injury problems, the
tiredness, the lack of time to recover and prepare, I am not terribly
surprised that Nesta has had the longest stretch of poor form since
I've started following his career closely.  I am certain as soon as
he returns to 100% physically, we will see Nesta at the level of
excellence we are used to.  I hope that will happen sooner rather
than later even though things don't look very good right now.

Forza Nesta!

Ming



--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, m blacka <ecosse082000@...>
wrote:
>
> For those who may not have seen this on the official Milan website,
>
>   Marion
>
>   Sandro Nesta maintains he has no desire to move on and what is
needed now is a run of good results up until the winter break.
>
>   This is what Sandro Nesta had to say in an interview with Milan
Channel.
>
> - Sandro, is it the situation in the Milan dressing room that has
been reported over these past days?
> 'No, not at all. When you are in difficulty you have to face up to
it. There are things that have to be left alone. The results aren't
coming so they are speaking badly about Milan and its players, we
have to isolate ourselves from this and think about training to get
to where we were.'
>   - What are Milan paying for?
> 'We are paying for not having a vacation. We had seven days off and
we had to come back to Milanello, although with pleasure, to prepare
for the Champions League preliminary round. We know we aren't
brilliant in terms of what we are going on the pitch, it isn't
working at the moment but we will work on getting back to where we
were.'
>   - What's the right cure?
> 'If there was a little more time to have a vacation before and
straight after we got back to training but there was little time for
either. There are a lot games and we haven't managed to train well.
Now we have to find a series of positive results at all costs, then
get ourselves in place during the winter break.'
>   - What about your future?
> I've never said anything. I've here at Milan for some time, I don't
love talking and I don't love appearing on television. I just get on
with it. It's said I want to leave but it's not true. I am fine here,
my family are fine here. I am talking to the club just as they have
spoken to the other players before signing a new contract and so I
think I will remain here.'
>   -What about Italy?
> I have spoken about my duty regarding tonight's game. I explained
that I not fully fit at the moment. I have to recover my fitness,
this is my priority. We'll see how my body feels and consequently we
regulate everything.'
>
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Thank you so much Marion for sharing your eye-witness experience at
the Milan games with us!  Love your reports!  (BTW, if you still
thing you are a jinx to Milan and Nesta, just try putting a paper bag
over your head next time you see them play live or on Sky TV. ;-P)

Living in Toronto, I have seen Nesta play live only once, in New York
in 2003 when the Italian Super Cup was played there.  (Milan lost to
Juve in a shoot-out after drawing 1-1 over 120 minutes.)  But I sure
hope I'll have another chance to see him play live again before he
retires.  Actually I had another chance to see him play live in 2001,
when Lazio was to visit Inter the weekend after the CL final in
Milan.  (I was at the San Siro to see Bayern Munich win their 4th Big
Cup 25 years after their 3rd. :-D ) And I planned my stay in Milan
around the TWO games.  But it was not to be:  a couple weeks earlier--
after I've finalized my itinery and hotel bookings, some idiot of an
Inter fan threw a motorcycle off the 2nd tier stands at the San Siro,
so Inter was banned from their home ground for a couple games and the
game against Lazio was moved to neutral ground, all the way south to
Bari!  So my impression of Inter fans is not as good as yours. ;-)
But seriously though, I do agree with you that in general, the fans
in Milan, though passionate, do see the Derby as a football game
instead of something bigger than life and death; and the Milan Derby
(with the exception of the abandoned Euro derby in 2005, I suppose)
is certainly less tense than the Roman Derby or the Glasgow Derby.
Still, crowd control seems to have been done very well in the UK in
the past decade or so:  I don't remember any incidents of violence or
other outrage surrounding the Glasgow Derby during that time.

Last but not least, I also want to thank all the members who posted
game reports and participated in discussions while I was away.  (I
was travelling in China, where football coverage on TV is actually
better than in Canada.  But the widely available sports channel of
Chinese Central TV seemed to have become the official channel of
Inter: every time I turned on the TV for the Sunday serie A game, it
was an Inter game!  And the Milan Derby was shown live at 2:30 AM
China time, if it was shown indeed : I did not get up in the middle
of the night to find out.  So I did not get to see a single Milan
game for the last month and a half. :-(  Oh well, I did get to see
THREE  bundesliga games Bayern Munich played, which I absolutely
cannot see in Canada, so I should not complain too much.)

Ming


--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, m blacka <ecosse082000@...>
wrote:
>
> Be,
>   I hope you get a chance to go to see Milan sometime.  I get mad
at people who go to big games just because it's "the thing to do" and
aren't even interested in the game, leaving no tickets for the real
fans.  I even turned down a guaranteed ticket for the Champions
League final when it was in Scotland, because I hate Real Madrid
(sorry!) and felt it was a waste of a ticket when a real fan would
have got so much more out of it.  (Of course, now I regret it, but I
meant it at the time!)  At the Milan derby there were 3 girls in
front of us who spent the whole match palying with their mobile
phones and not watching the game at all - there were people who would
have killed for those tickets!
>
>   Marion
>
> be <beyali2001@...> wrote:
>             heu girls
>   Both of you are very fourtenately of seeing milan
>   i triedsome years ago to see milan when they played agains real
madrid but it wasn´t tickets.
>    you must be happy.. i suppose becasue i was very happy when some
years ago i saw real madrid for the fidt time.
>     and last year i becone exciting when i see roberto carlos an
salgado  ... so i suupose how you must be feel
>   bye
>
> jojorollin <Jojorollin@...> wrote:
>       Marion, you are not a jinx. The first game I saw with Milan,
in
> Washington DC. I sat on the Defensive line, only it was Barcelona's
> defensive line, but that was ok, the second half would bring me up
> close and personal with My beloved Defensive line of Maldini and
> Nesta. After halftime they announced both Nesta and Maldini were
> substituted. I was not a happy camper, and I thoughtI was a jinx.
The
> second game in New York City againt Man.U, I felt like I was the
only
> fan, but a fellow member ( I don't remember her nemae, I'm sorry)
and I
> yelled our lungs out. They won on Penalty Kicks (Nesta and Maldini
> made them)It is so thrilling to see them play. I'm glad you got to
see
> them, not once but twice.
> By the way, it was me who asked if Nesta looked tired.
> Thanks for reporting even though you had a "hazy memory"I certainly
> appreciate your report. Jo Jo
>
> --- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "ecosse082000"
> <ecosse082000@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Girls,
> >
> > As it's horribly quiet around here, I thought I'd bore you all
with my
> > holiday stories. I was in Italy recently and managed to go to 2
Milan
> > games, and also Torino v Fiorentina while I was away. I was going
to
> > wait until I'd seen the taped games so I could pretend to have
> > fantastic recall of the matches, only as I still haven't had the
time,
> > I'll just go for hazy memories instead.
> >
> > Our first game was Milan v Palermo on 22 October, notable, as we
all
> > know, for a horrible error by Nesta for the first goal. Milan
played
> > well for the first half, so it was very disappointing that it was
> > thrown away, and especially by Nesta! I was interested to see the
> > posts about the birth of his baby around that date – someone
asked if
> > he looked tired, well, the main thing I had noted was his body
> > language after giving away the goal. He looked like he just didn't
> > want to be there, like he couldn't move, like he was looking to be
> > subbed, there was much leaning over hands on knees, although he
didn't
> > appear to be injured. I was quite pleased to read that there was
an
> > excuse for him actually being physically and emotionally
exhausted,
> > because at the time I was quite shocked – I thought it was very
> > unprofessional behaviour. Nesta aside, the other obvious problem
was
> > that Gila and Pippo should not be played together – I think it was
> > Carol who also said that here. They are forever going for the same
> > ball, and Gila doesn't do enough, in my opinion, to give options
and
> > at least pull defenders away and create opportunities for other
> > players. All quite disappointing, really, though we did have
terrific
> > seats – just below the press area, right on the centre line. It
was
> > the first time I had been at a live game that Milan didn't win,
which
> > just felt so wrong...
> >
> > Our other Milan game was my very first Milan Derby! I've never
bought
> > tickets from a tout before (we did try the legal methods first,
and
> > our first stop was Milan Point, but it was already totally sold
out.)
> > Having bought horribly expensive dodgy tickets we then worried
about
> > them right up until we got in. Since the security has increased a
> > fair bit since the first Milan game I went to, and particularly
since
> > it was the Derby, I was afraid they'd check the tickets closely,
and
> > since the names on the tickets were Luigi and Umberto, I thought
we
> > might have some difficulty carrying that off if questioned!
However,
> > the stewards couldn't care less. Our seats were pretty good,
although
> > I was completely disorientated because previously I've always sat
at
> > the other side of the pitch, the side where the tunnel is and
that the
> > TV pictures are taken from, so I kept looking at the wrong place,
much
> > to my friend's amusement. It really was full - absolutely packed,
not
> > a spare seat to be seen, and the atmosphere was amazing. The
banners
> > and flags from both sides were impressive (though the Interisti
kind
> > of stole the show with their half-time sparkler display - very
pretty!)
> >
> > We were amazed to see how many Inter fans there were in the Milan
> > crowd – in full colours as well, some sitting very near us. You
just
> > would not get that in my country – you wouldn't get in the area
in the
> > opposing team's colours, in the first place, and you could be in
> > serious trouble if the fans spotted you. At first I thought it was
> > good – you know, that the fans could mix without trouble, but I
> > thought they'd at least have to behave themselves, but oh no! They
> > were singing and jumping around, goading the Milan fans, which
> > resulted in some throwing of stuff in their (and thus our)
direction.
> > When we went 2 - nil down I felt like throwing things at them
too. I
> > did fear for the worst (at the Palermo game I said it could be 4-
0 to
> > Inter, and it looked only too likely at that point.) However,
Milan
> > rallied very well in the second half and we so nearly equalised
in the
> > last few minutes. At least it gave the fans something to cheer -
the
> > crowd remained supportive to the end, and it was a genuinely
exciting
> > game, however disappointing the final result. It was definitely an
> > experience to be there, and 6 of the 7 goals were at our end, so
it
> > was pretty good value for money in the end. Interestingly, the
> > atmosphere, though passionate, was not intimidating and I didn't
see
> > any crowd trouble. The fans seemed to mix quite happily before and
> > after the game.
> >
> > The Torino game was the third home-team loss I watched in 10
days, so
> > I felt I was a major jinx by the time I came home (though Milan
have
> > managed to lose all by themselves without my help ever since
then.)
> >
> > Ah well, that's what being a fan is all about, I suppose - and at
> > least we're still in the Champions League!
> >
> > Marion
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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heu girls

Both of you are very fourtenately of seeing milan

i triedsome years ago to see milan when they played agains real madrid but it wasn´t tickets.

 you must be happy.. i suppose becasue i was very happy when some years ago i saw real madrid for the fidt time.

  and last year i becone exciting when i see roberto carlos an salgado  ... so i suupose how you must be feel

bye

jojorollin <Jojorollin@aol.com> wrote:

Marion, you are not a jinx. The first game I saw with Milan, in
Washington DC. I sat on the Defensive line, only it was Barcelona's
defensive line, but that was ok, the second half would bring me up
close and personal with My beloved Defensive line of Maldini and
Nesta. After halftime they announced both Nesta and Maldini were
substituted. I was not a happy camper, and I thoughtI was a jinx. The
second game in New York City againt Man.U, I felt like I was the only
fan, but a fellow member ( I don't remember her nemae, I'm sorry)and I
yelled our lungs out. They won on Penalty Kicks (Nesta and Maldini
made them)It is so thrilling to see them play. I'm glad you got to see
them, not once but twice.
By the way, it was me who asked if Nesta looked tired.
Thanks for reporting even though you had a "hazy memory"I certainly
appreciate your report. Jo Jo

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "ecosse082000"
<ecosse082000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Girls,
>
> As it's horribly quiet around here, I thought I'd bore you all with my
> holiday stories. I was in Italy recently and managed to go to 2 Milan
> games, and also Torino v Fiorentina while I was away. I was going to
> wait until I'd seen the taped games so I could pretend to have
> fantastic recall of the matches, only as I still haven't had the time,
> I'll just go for hazy memories instead.
>
> Our first game was Milan v Palermo on 22 October, notable, as we all
> know, for a horrible error by Nesta for the first goal. Milan played
> well for the first half, so it was very disappointing that it was
> thrown away, and especially by Nesta! I was interested to see the
> posts about the birth of his baby around that date – someone asked if
> he looked tired, well, the main thing I had noted was his body
> language after giving away the goal. He looked like he just didn't
> want to be there, like he couldn't move, like he was looking to be
> subbed, there was much leaning over hands on knees, although he didn't
> appear to be injured. I was quite pleased to read that there was an
> excuse for him actually being physically and emotionally exhausted,
> because at the time I was quite shocked – I thought it was very
> unprofessional behaviour. Nesta aside, the other obvious problem was
> that Gila and Pippo should not be played together – I think it was
> Carol who also said that here. They are forever going for the same
> ball, and Gila doesn't do enough, in my opinion, to give options and
> at least pull defenders away and create opportunities for other
> players. All quite disappointing, really, though we did have terrific
> seats – just below the press area, right on the centre line. It was
> the first time I had been at a live game that Milan didn't win, which
> just felt so wrong...
>
> Our other Milan game was my very first Milan Derby! I've never bought
> tickets from a tout before (we did try the legal methods first, and
> our first stop was Milan Point, but it was already totally sold out.)
> Having bought horribly expensive dodgy tickets we then worried about
> them right up until we got in. Since the security has increased a
> fair bit since the first Milan game I went to, and particularly since
> it was the Derby, I was afraid they'd check the tickets closely, and
> since the names on the tickets were Luigi and Umberto, I thought we
> might have some difficulty carrying that off if questioned! However,
> the stewards couldn't care less. Our seats were pretty good, although
> I was completely disorientated because previously I've always sat at
> the other side of the pitch, the side where the tunnel is and that the
> TV pictures are taken from, so I kept looking at the wrong place, much
> to my friend's amusement. It really was full - absolutely packed, not
> a spare seat to be seen, and the atmosphere was amazing. The banners
> and flags from both sides were impressive (though the Interisti kind
> of stole the show with their half-time sparkler display - very pretty!)
>
> We were amazed to see how many Inter fans there were in the Milan
> crowd – in full colours as well, some sitting very near us. You just
> would not get that in my country – you wouldn't get in the area in the
> opposing team's colours, in the first place, and you could be in
> serious trouble if the fans spotted you. At first I thought it was
> good – you know, that the fans could mix without trouble, but I
> thought they'd at least have to behave themselves, but oh no! They
> were singing and jumping around, goading the Milan fans, which
> resulted in some throwing of stuff in their (and thus our) direction.
> When we went 2 - nil down I felt like throwing things at them too. I
> did fear for the worst (at the Palermo game I said it could be 4-0 to
> Inter, and it looked only too likely at that point.) However, Milan
> rallied very well in the second half and we so nearly equalised in the
> last few minutes. At least it gave the fans something to cheer - the
> crowd remained supportive to the end, and it was a genuinely exciting
> game, however disappointing the final result. It was definitely an
> experience to be there, and 6 of the 7 goals were at our end, so it
> was pretty good value for money in the end. Interestingly, the
> atmosphere, though passionate, was not intimidating and I didn't see
> any crowd trouble. The fans seemed to mix quite happily before and
> after the game.
>
> The Torino game was the third home-team loss I watched in 10 days, so
> I felt I was a major jinx by the time I came home (though Milan have
> managed to lose all by themselves without my help ever since then.)
>
> Ah well, that's what being a fan is all about, I suppose - and at
> least we're still in the Champions League!
>
> Marion
>

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Marion, you are not a jinx. The first game I saw with Milan, in
Washington DC. I sat on the Defensive line, only it was Barcelona's
defensive line, but that was ok, the second half would bring me up
close and personal with My beloved Defensive line of Maldini and
Nesta. After halftime they announced both Nesta and Maldini were
substituted. I was not a happy camper, and I thoughtI was a jinx. The
second game in New York City againt Man.U, I felt like I was the only
fan, but a fellow member ( I don't remember her nemae, I'm sorry)and I
yelled our lungs out. They won on Penalty Kicks (Nesta and Maldini
made them)It is so thrilling to see them play. I'm glad you got to see
them, not once but twice.
By the way, it was me who asked if Nesta looked tired.
Thanks for reporting even though you had a "hazy memory"I certainly
appreciate your report. Jo Jo

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "ecosse082000"
<ecosse082000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Girls,
>
> As it's horribly quiet around here, I thought I'd bore you all with my
> holiday stories. I was in Italy recently and managed to go to 2 Milan
> games, and also Torino v Fiorentina while I was away. I was going to
> wait until I'd seen the taped games so I could pretend to have
> fantastic recall of the matches, only as I still haven't had the time,
> I'll just go for hazy memories instead.
>
> Our first game was Milan v Palermo on 22 October, notable, as we all
> know, for a horrible error by Nesta for the first goal. Milan played
> well for the first half, so it was very disappointing that it was
> thrown away, and especially by Nesta! I was interested to see the
> posts about the birth of his baby around that date – someone asked if
> he looked tired, well, the main thing I had noted was his body
> language after giving away the goal. He looked like he just didn't
> want to be there, like he couldn't move, like he was looking to be
> subbed, there was much leaning over hands on knees, although he didn't
> appear to be injured. I was quite pleased to read that there was an
> excuse for him actually being physically and emotionally exhausted,
> because at the time I was quite shocked – I thought it was very
> unprofessional behaviour. Nesta aside, the other obvious problem was
> that Gila and Pippo should not be played together – I think it was
> Carol who also said that here. They are forever going for the same
> ball, and Gila doesn't do enough, in my opinion, to give options and
> at least pull defenders away and create opportunities for other
> players. All quite disappointing, really, though we did have terrific
> seats – just below the press area, right on the centre line. It was
> the first time I had been at a live game that Milan didn't win, which
> just felt so wrong...
>
> Our other Milan game was my very first Milan Derby! I've never bought
> tickets from a tout before (we did try the legal methods first, and
> our first stop was Milan Point, but it was already totally sold out.)
> Having bought horribly expensive dodgy tickets we then worried about
> them right up until we got in. Since the security has increased a
> fair bit since the first Milan game I went to, and particularly since
> it was the Derby, I was afraid they'd check the tickets closely, and
> since the names on the tickets were Luigi and Umberto, I thought we
> might have some difficulty carrying that off if questioned! However,
> the stewards couldn't care less. Our seats were pretty good, although
> I was completely disorientated because previously I've always sat at
> the other side of the pitch, the side where the tunnel is and that the
> TV pictures are taken from, so I kept looking at the wrong place, much
> to my friend's amusement. It really was full - absolutely packed, not
> a spare seat to be seen, and the atmosphere was amazing. The banners
> and flags from both sides were impressive (though the Interisti kind
> of stole the show with their half-time sparkler display - very pretty!)
>
> We were amazed to see how many Inter fans there were in the Milan
> crowd – in full colours as well, some sitting very near us. You just
> would not get that in my country – you wouldn't get in the area in the
> opposing team's colours, in the first place, and you could be in
> serious trouble if the fans spotted you. At first I thought it was
> good – you know, that the fans could mix without trouble, but I
> thought they'd at least have to behave themselves, but oh no! They
> were singing and jumping around, goading the Milan fans, which
> resulted in some throwing of stuff in their (and thus our) direction.
> When we went 2 - nil down I felt like throwing things at them too. I
> did fear for the worst (at the Palermo game I said it could be 4-0 to
> Inter, and it looked only too likely at that point.) However, Milan
> rallied very well in the second half and we so nearly equalised in the
> last few minutes. At least it gave the fans something to cheer - the
> crowd remained supportive to the end, and it was a genuinely exciting
> game, however disappointing the final result. It was definitely an
> experience to be there, and 6 of the 7 goals were at our end, so it
> was pretty good value for money in the end. Interestingly, the
> atmosphere, though passionate, was not intimidating and I didn't see
> any crowd trouble. The fans seemed to mix quite happily before and
> after the game.
>
> The Torino game was the third home-team loss I watched in 10 days, so
> I felt I was a major jinx by the time I came home (though Milan have
> managed to lose all by themselves without my help ever since then.)
>
> Ah well, that's what being a fan is all about, I suppose - and at
> least we're still in the Champions League!
>
> Marion
>

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I finally got to see the game - very disappointing how Pippo could
have had a hat-trick but didn't. I'm not sure if he has
somehow "forgotten" how to place the ball beyond the reach of the
goalkeeper? The 2 shots he had in the 1st half were both straight at
the goalkeeper, but the 3rd effort hit the post so that one was well
placed.

I couldn't help feeling that Crespo would have scored at least 2 of
those 3 :-(

But I'm also very glad that we qualified. BTW, finishing 1st would
be bad for us, it's better to finish 2nd so we can avoid Inter and
Barcelona.

Vuyo.

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, Yen Lina <ceemot@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Last night, Milan lost the game against AEK Athena in the
Champions League.
> It seems Milan's bad luck is contageus. Not only in Serie A they
can't find the net, and now they lost in the Champions League. I
read in a local news site, it said that Milan actually had 3
goalscoring opportunities. However, with the good performance of
AEK's goalkeeper and bad luck of Inzaghi, Milan ended up lost to
AEK 1-0. Nesta didn't play in this game *Is he still injured?*,
Ancelotti played Maldini and Costacurta.
>
> Still according to the site, in the end of the game Milan could
concede one more goal, but Dida made it to save the ball that
seemed to be can't be saved. But it got Dida injured.
>
> However, Milan qualified to the next round, could be as a group
leader. So the last game will not be crucial to Milan, so they can
prepare better for Serie A games. Hope Milan's bad luck at Serie A
could be ended up soon. And Nesta could be played soon too :D
>
> Forza Milan
> Forza Nesta
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Yen Lina Prasetio
> http://allethea.blogspot.com
>
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You have good chances to see Milan again...

I have no one... But soon I'll go to Italy to see Milan and Lazio!
:)

At least I hope so...

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

----- Original Message -----

From: be

To: MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:33 AM

Subject: Re: [MinisterNesta] Re: Derby Experiences

heu girls

Both of you are very fourtenately of seeing milan

i triedsome years ago to see milan when they played agains real madrid but it wasn´t tickets.

 you must be happy.. i suppose becasue i was very happy when some years ago i saw real madrid for the fidt time.

  and last year i becone exciting when i see roberto carlos an salgado  ... so i suupose how you must be feel

bye

jojorollin <Jojorollin@aol.com> wrote:

Marion, you are not a jinx. The first game I saw with Milan, in
Washington DC. I sat on the Defensive line, only it was Barcelona's
defensive line, but that was ok, the second half would bring me up
close and personal with My beloved Defensive line of Maldini and
Nesta. After halftime they announced both Nesta and Maldini were
substituted. I was not a happy camper, and I thoughtI was a jinx. The
second game in New York City againt Man.U, I felt like I was the only
fan, but a fellow member ( I don't remember her nemae, I'm sorry)and I
yelled our lungs out. They won on Penalty Kicks (Nesta and Maldini
made them)It is so thrilling to see them play. I'm glad you got to see
them, not once but twice.
By the way, it was me who asked if Nesta looked tired.
Thanks for reporting even though you had a "hazy memory"I certainly
appreciate your report. Jo Jo

--- In MinisterNesta@yahoogroups.com, "ecosse082000"
<ecosse082000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Girls,
>
> As it's horribly quiet around here, I thought I'd bore you all with my
> holiday stories. I was in Italy recently and managed to go to 2 Milan
> games, and also Torino v Fiorentina while I was away. I was going to
> wait until I'd seen the taped games so I could pretend to have
> fantastic recall of the matches, only as I still haven't had the time,
> I'll just go for hazy memories instead.
>
> Our first game was Milan v Palermo on 22 October, notable, as we all
> know, for a horrible error by Nesta for the first goal. Milan played
> well for the first half, so it was very disappointing that it was
> thrown away, and especially by Nesta! I was interested to see the
> posts about the birth of his baby around that date – someone asked if
> he looked tired, well, the main thing I had noted was his body
> language after giving away the goal. He looked like he just didn't
> want to be there, like he couldn't move, like he was looking to be
> subbed, there was much leaning over hands on knees, although he didn't
> appear to be injured. I was quite pleased to read that there was an
> excuse for him actually being physically and emotionally exhausted,
> because at the time I was quite shocked – I thought it was very
> unprofessional behaviour. Nesta aside, the other obvious problem was
> that Gila and Pippo should not be played together – I think it was
> Carol who also said that here. They are forever going for the same
> ball, and Gila doesn't do enough, in my opinion, to give options and
> at least pull defenders away and create opportunities for other
> players. All quite disappointing, really, though we did have terrific
> seats – just below the press area, right on the centre line. It was
> the first time I had been at a live game that Milan didn't win, which
> just felt so wrong...
>
> Our other Milan game was my very first Milan Derby! I've never bought
> tickets from a tout before (we did try the legal methods first, and
> our first stop was Milan Point, but it was already totally sold out.)
> Having bought horribly expensive dodgy tickets we then worried about
> them right up until we got in. Since the security has increased a
> fair bit since the first Milan game I went to, and particularly since
> it was the Derby, I was afraid they'd check the tickets closely, and
> since the names on the tickets were Luigi and Umberto, I thought we
> might have some difficulty carrying that off if questioned! However,
> the stewards couldn't care less. Our seats were pretty good, although
> I was completely disorientated because previously I've always sat at
> the other side of the pitch, the side where the tunnel is and that the
> TV pictures are taken from, so I kept looking at the wrong place, much
> to my friend's amusement. It really was full - absolutely packed, not
> a spare seat to be seen, and the atmosphere was amazing. The banners
> and flags from both sides were impressive (though the Interisti kind
> of stole the show with their half-time sparkler display - very pretty!)
>
> We were amazed to see how many Inter fans there were in the Milan
> crowd – in full colours as well, some sitting very near us. You just
> would not get that in my country – you wouldn't get in the area in the
> opposing team's colours, in the first place, and you could be in
> serious trouble if the fans spotted you. At first I thought it was
> good – you know, that the fans could mix without trouble, but I
> thought they'd at least have to behave themselves, but oh no! They
> were singing and jumping around, goading the Milan fans, which
> resulted in some throwing of stuff in their (and thus our) direction.
> When we went 2 - nil down I felt like throwing things at them too. I
> did fear for the worst (at the Palermo game I said it could be 4-0 to
> Inter, and it looked only too likely at that point.) However, Milan
> rallied very well in the second half and we so nearly equalised in the
> last few minutes. At least it gave the fans something to cheer - the
> crowd remained supportive to the end, and it was a genuinely exciting
> game, however disappointing the final result. It was definitely an
> experience to be there, and 6 of the 7 goals were at our end, so it
> was pretty good value for money in the end. Interestingly, the
> atmosphere, though passionate, was not intimidating and I didn't see
> any crowd trouble. The fans seemed to mix quite happily before and
> after the game.
>
> The Torino game was the third home-team loss I watched in 10 days, so
> I felt I was a major jinx by the time I came home (though Milan have
> managed to lose all by themselves without my help ever since then.)
>
> Ah well, that's what being a fan is all about, I suppose - and at
> least we're still in the Champions League!
>
> Marion
>

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