Hi all,

My gem has been modified/repaired in this fashion.

Where the shrouds fix to the coach roof, just forward of the windows end.
They have fitted two stainless stell plates inside on the coach roof interior, I
assume to strenghten the fixing point.
They seem very well done but over time the cracks lines up above have gathered
dirt and grime and it does not look great.

I would like to slacken the shrouds off, fill the crack lines and repair/touch
up.

I see this as a pure cosmetic affair rather than a structural problem, the steel
plates are very hefty.

Has anyone done this job who could recomed materials/ work plan etc.
Regards and thanks

Alan

Hi Phil,

All has gone quiet over here. I seem to have spent my sailing time working this
year. However I did get my Kelt finished and has been at Rutland since March but
until now I've only got to sail her three times. There's got to be a better
way!!

Looking around the boatpark I can't see any other Micro's other than a few Swift
18's. The popular racing boat seems to be the Hunter Formula 1 which has a
fairly active fleet but other than that no Gems that I'm aware of. I will keep a
look out and let you know if I come across any.

Wishing you a warm and windy summer.

Colin

----- Original Message -----

From: David

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:05 AM

Subject: [MicroClass] Re: Micro Champs

--- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com, Peter Halliwell <peterkayak@...> wrote:
>
> An idle surf via Stour Sailing Club reveals a Micro Champ proposed for Sept 19th 20th. Should we know more.?
>
> Unless sold, and now converted to take the ground with the keel up, Microchip will be there. Anyone else?
>
> Peter /H
>
The Stour SC Micro Championships is essentially a club event, but visitors would be welcome. Loan of moorings could probably be arranged with some notice and we have good launching facilities, but entrants would need to launch before the weekend. If anyone is interested in entering, please feel free to contact me for more information.

Dave Waters
Sailing Secretary
Stour SC

--- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com, Peter Halliwell <peterkayak@...> wrote:
>
> An idle surf via Stour Sailing Club reveals a Micro Champ proposed for Sept
19th 20th. Should we know more.?
>
> Unless sold, and now converted to take the ground with the keel up, Microchip
will be there. Anyone else?
>
> Peter /H
>
The Stour SC Micro Championships is essentially a club event, but visitors would
be welcome.  Loan of moorings could probably be arranged with some notice and we
have good launching facilities, but entrants would need to launch before the
weekend.  If anyone is interested in entering, please feel free to contact me
for more information.

Dave Waters
Sailing Secretary
Stour SC

----- Original Message -----

From: JOHN BUTTON

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:43 PM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Rigging a microgem

Bit more- small jibsheets go inside the shrouds to the front of the cabin top

genoa (big jib) sheets outside the shrouds) - on mine via a Barber hauler (pulley on string) but this can vary.

 

john,

----- Original Message -----

From: ALAN DAVIDSON

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:02 AM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Rigging a microgem

Hi John, I am up in Arbroath.   regards alan --- On Wed, 20/5/09, bty777677 <alan.davidson14@btinternet.com> wrote: From: bty777677 <alan.davidson14@btinternet.com> Subject: [MicroClass] Rigging a microgem To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009, 11:47 PM Hi all, just a couple of questions. When I attach the boom to the mast there is a metal locking affair that is supposed to stop any vertical movement (i think) anywhow on mines it does not hold the boom tight enough and the booms falls down onto the coachroof. And following along on the same theme I am simply not sure how to rig the lines up. The boat was hastily dismantled after I did a few days sailing tuition last Oct and although the mast etc are all in place I have never managed to sort to lines out again. For example I do not know if the weight of the boom is supported somewhat by the upward pull on the sail halyard or not and generally I am not sure how to connect up all the ropes. At this time I am only interested in using the jib which is connected properly and the main sail, any other fancy stuff can come later, I am just trying to get the main up and running but have gotten a bit stuck over the metal lock nut being worn and me not having any idea about setting the main sail ropes up. Sorry to be a bit waffelly Regards Alan

----- Original Message -----

From: ALAN DAVIDSON

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:02 AM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Rigging a microgem

Hi John, I am up in Arbroath.   regards alan --- On Wed, 20/5/09, bty777677 <alan.davidson14@...> wrote: From: bty777677 <alan.davidson14@...> Subject: [MicroClass] Rigging a microgem To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009, 11:47 PM Hi all, just a couple of questions. When I attach the boom to the mast there is a metal locking affair that is supposed to stop any vertical movement (i think) anywhow on mines it does not hold the boom tight enough and the booms falls down onto the coachroof. And following along on the same theme I am simply not sure how to rig the lines up. The boat was hastily dismantled after I did a few days sailing tuition last Oct and although the mast etc are all in place I have never managed to sort to lines out again. For example I do not know if the weight of the boom is supported somewhat by the upward pull on the sail halyard or not and generally I am not sure how to connect up all the ropes. At this time I am only interested in using the jib which is connected properly and the main sail, any other fancy stuff can come later, I am just trying to get the main up and running but have gotten a bit stuck over the metal lock nut being worn and me not having any idea about setting the main sail ropes up. Sorry to be a bit waffelly Regards Alan

----- Original Message -----

From: ALAN DAVIDSON

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:02 AM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Rigging a microgem

Hi John, I am up in Arbroath.   regards alan --- On Wed, 20/5/09, bty777677 <alan.davidson14@...> wrote: From: bty777677 <alan.davidson14@...> Subject: [MicroClass] Rigging a microgem To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009, 11:47 PM Hi all, just a couple of questions. When I attach the boom to the mast there is a metal locking affair that is supposed to stop any vertical movement (i think) anywhow on mines it does not hold the boom tight enough and the booms falls down onto the coachroof. And following along on the same theme I am simply not sure how to rig the lines up. The boat was hastily dismantled after I did a few days sailing tuition last Oct and although the mast etc are all in place I have never managed to sort to lines out again. For example I do not know if the weight of the boom is supported somewhat by the upward pull on the sail halyard or not and generally I am not sure how to connect up all the ropes. At this time I am only interested in using the jib which is connected properly and the main sail, any other fancy stuff can come later, I am just trying to get the main up and running but have gotten a bit stuck over the metal lock nut being worn and me not having any idea about setting the main sail ropes up. Sorry to be a bit waffelly Regards Alan

"bty777677" <alan.davidson14@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, just a couple of questions.
Hi Alan
Where are you? If the boat is a GEM micro, (Rob Humphries design) I could
probably help with your rigging setups...as far as I remember, there is a stop
fixed to the mast, so the boom should not fall down.
regards
John
  Poole UK

Hi all, just a couple of questions.

When I attach the boom to the mast there is a metal locking affair that is
supposed to stop any vertical movement (i think) anywhow on mines it does not
hold the boom tight enough and the booms falls down onto the coachroof.

And following along on the same theme I am simply not sure how to rig the lines
up.
The boat was hastily dismantled after I did a few days sailing tuition last Oct
and although the mast etc are all in place I have never managed to sort to lines
out again.
For example I do not know if the weight of the boom is supported somewhat by the
upward pull on the sail halyard or not and generally I am not sure how to
connect up all the ropes.
At this time I am only interested in using the jib which is connected properly
and the main sail, any other fancy stuff can come later, I am just trying to get
the main up and running but have gotten a bit stuck over the metal lock nut
being worn and me not having any idea about setting the main sail ropes up.

Sorry to be a bit waffelly

Regards Alan

,
>
> I have recently purcased a micro 18 - suspected as a salty marine one.
>
> At the moment the keel drops down into its box however there is no means to
lock it down.

Hi k9252y
I chaced with someone who used to have a saly micro: that had a bolt thro the
keel box.

On my Gem there was a similar arrangement with a lump of rubber at the rear of
the box as a shock absorber

regards
John
>

----- Original Message -----

From: k9252y

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:50 PM

Subject: [MicroClass] Locking keel down

Hi,

I have recently purcased a micro 18 - suspected as a salty marine one.

At the moment the keel drops down into its box however there is no means to lock it down.

How do you all lock your keel in the down position when sailing? I need to make my keel secured and the casing watertight when sailing to comply with the new fyca cat 4 guidelines.h

Many thanks,

k9252y

Hi,

I have recently purcased a micro 18 - suspected as a salty marine one.

At the moment the keel drops down into its box however there is no means to lock
it down.

How do you all lock your keel in the down position when sailing? I need to make
my keel secured and the casing watertight when sailing to comply with the new
fyca cat 4 guidelines.h

Many thanks,

k9252y

----- Original Message -----

From: john hughes

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:25 PM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros

Hello, This is the latest spinnaker that I have been working on, should be all right in lightish airs  John   -------Original Message-------   From: Philippe DE TROY Date: 17/04/2009 12:00:32 To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros   John,   Your planet is not as far as you think from the Class Rulles, there is an appendix 4 about experimental rules describing how you can use an asymmetric spinnaker.  Probably your sail is not meeting all requirements, but you are using the standard halyard of the spinnaker.  Perhaps there is just a problem of inches on bowsprit extension. Here BEL-1 J-C, another Challenger, sailing in an international regatta with a perfectly legal asymmetrical.  This crew used NOT to set the spinnaker above force 3, so we had to wait sometimes for 20 minutes more to launch the next start procedure.  Clik on image to see the whole gallery   The problem is that our tests are showing that an asymmetric spinnaker is always slower than a conventional on winward-leeward courses if the sail area is the same, and we cannot allow a much larger area (it was tested too) as this would become a "measurement hole" for conventional spinnakers, made "just" asymetrical by one inch on the leech to take advantage of the increased area.    Here GER-201 Toni, a German Microsail, set a 25 sq.m. asymmetrical (illegal for the Class Rules), the halyard is higher than standard.  Fits nicer than yours.  Click on image for the discussion on Micro Class forum     See also http://www.microclass.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=423   Phil     ----- Original Message ----- From: john hughes To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros Hello again Oliver,  I am so far outside the class rules I could be on another planet, heres a photo from last year, this year I have a masthead asymmetric with a rotating and retractable bowsprit and am building a carbon fibre boom.  Surprisingly the Medina sail are a very close fit. John   -------Original Message-------   From: oliver cheetham Date: 16/04/2009 09:29:16 To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros   hi john, you´re asking the wrong person, sadly i don´t get much chance to race but a couple of points, i don´t  know the sail sizes of a medina but it´s unlikely they will fit in micro rule sizes. As you´re not racing "class" i don´t suppose it matters too much. Two reefs in the main are a bit overkill but thats what the class rules say. My jib has a reefing point in it so rather than change sails you can reduce. with a bit of imagination you can rig lines to do this from the cockpit- someone on the foredeck kills the micro stone dead. I´ve found it works very well. Good Sailing!!  --- On Wed, 4/15/09, john hughes <johnhughes1@homecall.co.uk> wrote: From: john hughes <johnhughes1@homecall.co.uk> Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:15 PM Oliver, I'm racing and old Challenger 5.5 in a mixed fleet in Cornwall, what is a good range of sails most of mine are rubbish but I have just collected a jib and main from a Hunter madina which are in reasonable condition. John Hughes    -------Original Message----- --   From: oliver cheetham Date: 15/04/2009 09:48:48 To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros   hi philippe, oliver from Mallorca- would you know the rigged weight of a micro 18? regards --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Philippe DE TROY <philippe@detroy. org> wrote: From: Philippe DE TROY <philippe@detroy. org> Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:27 PM Back on this old topic...   A German competitor entered the 30th Micr'Eau d'Heure and declares his boat as a "Gem with a Cruiser's rig".  He sent his national measurer a setof measurement, but after some exchanges, it appeared that the boat was not a Gem, but probably a Jones Micro 18 (this is the boat described on http://www.microcla ss.org/forum/ viewtopic. php?p=3398)   I'm searching the Stour sailing Club Galleries, and on http://www.stoursai lingclub. co.uk/Images/ Gallery/Regatta% 20Day%202% 20035.jpg, the 4 boats from the left are familiar to me, and identified as Gems.  The fifth one, on the right side, should be a Jones... (someone confirms?)   Then, apparently, the rig is shorter indeed, but for Cruiser, the Mainsail Hoist "P" is limited to 6,85 m (or 22ft 5in) and mast length 7,70 m (or 25ft 3 in) Data for the Gem are P=7,25 (23ft 11in), mast length unknown, but limited by Micro Class Rules to 8,20 m (26ft 10in)   This gives, on paper, a slight advantage to the Gem.   According to the French Handicap National (HN) TCF system, the only element of comparison I found in addition of the Gem (PY 1069-HN 0.6973) is the First 18 (PY 1111 / HN 0.6466)... The PY of the Swift in the Byron software table seems right, related to the First as they are believed to be similar in performance, but the Gem could be too high (equivalent of HN, compared to the First, should be 1029! But there are other boat types in the range of PY 1051-1111, common to both tables, and most of them (Centurion 32, GK 24, J 22, Sun 2000, Shipman 28, Ecume de Mer, Trapper 300, Jouet 760, Dufour 2800, Trapper 500, ...) ALL having a TCF in France between 0,73 and 0,75...  This is the TCF of a Micro Proto (Hot Boat, L'Arte), NOT for the Jones or any production Micro...     A first conclusion ofthe comparison of the tables is than Byron software over-estimates the performance of a Micro by approximately 3 to 5 minutes per hour (except for protos, but HN is based on modern boats with carbon rig) Anyway we don't have more information about the Jones Micro 18, but personally,based on 1069 forthe Gem, I should not give less than 1096, probably 1115, but also change the Swift to 1143 and the First 18 to 1152...   Phil   ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Halliwell To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros Thanks everyone...thats good enough for me. Peter H Terry <terry.home@home- it.com> wrote: The Micro Gem runs a Handicap of 1069 The Micro 18 is slightly faster with a Handicap of 1050 The Swift 18 has a Handicap of 1084   Not checked any of the other Micro Cuppers as these are the only ones I have had to use for handicaps at our club   PS. A good reference for handicap numbers is available from   http://www.byronsof tware.org. uk/bycn/byboat. htm   Regards Terry -----Original Message----- From: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:MicroClass@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Peter Halliwell Sent: 05 September 2007 15:03 To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros I'm thinking of getting a Micro...what PY Number are the Brit boats sailing to? Peter H Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@hotmail. com> wrote: Dave I sheet to the coach roof, what do you have around the 4 year mark? Steve On 3/9/07 23:25, "David" <dave.waters@ btinternet. com> wrote:     Steve, All are sound but quite well used.  I replace my sails before they get too stretched but I like to get a few seasons use from them.   Ages range from 10+ years to about 4.  Sheeting angle of course depends on position of tracks and blocks.  On the Micro18 the sheeting angle is typically to make a lot of tension down the leech. Dave --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@...> wrote: > > Dave > > What condition are they in and how old? > > Kind regards > > Steve > > Oh and what sheeting angle? > > > > On 29/8/07 15:24, "David" <dave.waters@ ...> wrote: > > >   > >   > >   > > > > Hullo Jimmy, > > > > I have a number of redundant Micro 18 sails, including jibs.  If you > > still need a jib (or any other sail) please let me know.  I live in > > Colchester, Essex and I sail my boat on the Stour at Manningtree. > > > > I'm not familiar with the Microdsail, but if you can give me the > > measurements I could check them against the Micro 18 sail(s). > > > > Regards, > > > > Dave > > > > --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com>  <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , > > "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com>  <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , > >> "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@> > >> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > Good afternoon everyone. > >>> > > > >>> > > I am in need of a standard blade jib for a Microsail as i only > > have > >> > the > >>> > > genoa with a poor sheeting angle. It will be for cruising use > >> > perhaps > >>> > > some racing dacron will do must be in good condition and be > >> > suitable > >> > to > >>> > > sheet to the standard cabin roof fittings with barber haulers. > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks in advance > >>> > > > >>> > > Jimmy. > >>> > > > >> > > >> > Hello anyone out there, if there is anyone out there? > >> > > >> > Just to create some life on the UK forum you are all abviously out > >> > there > >> > having too much fun!! I am writing to tell you i have managed to > > get > >> > a > >> > Narwhal blade jib off a Proto in Austria which works superbly and > > I > >> > was > >> > pleasantly surprised at how quick it was to arrive on my doorstep. > >> > > >> > If anyone else is in need of a new jib or suit of sails the same > > chap > >> > has a full suit of Doyle racing sails cut for a carbon mast (500 > >> > Euros > >> > +postage) and a superb radial cut Narwhal headsail (200 euros > >> > +postage)! Email me and i will forward your details to the seller > > for > >> > the details, alternatively go to www.microclass. org on the forum > >> > under > >> > sales and contact Christian yourself. There is a possibility they > >> > might > >> > be sold allready but its worth a go. > >> > > >> > Jimmy > >> > > > > >   > > >        For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

----- Original Message -----

From: john hughes

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:29 AM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros

Hello again Oliver,  I am so far outside the class rules I could be on another planet, heres a photo from last year, this year I have a masthead asymmetric with a rotating and retractable bowsprit and am building a carbon fibre boom.  Surprisingly the Medina sail are a very close fit. John   -------Original Message-------   From: oliver cheetham Date: 16/04/2009 09:29:16 To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros   hi john, you´re asking the wrong person, sadly i don´t get much chance to race but a couple of points, i don´t  know the sail sizes of a medina but it´s unlikely they will fit in micro rule sizes. As you´re not racing "class" i don´t suppose it matters too much. Two reefs in the main are a bit overkill but thats what the class rules say. My jib has a reefing point in it so rather than change sails you can reduce. with a bit of imagination you can rig lines to do this from the cockpit- someone on the foredeck kills the micro stone dead. I´ve found it works very well. Good Sailing!!  --- On Wed, 4/15/09, john hughes <johnhughes1@...> wrote: From: john hughes <johnhughes1@...> Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:15 PM Oliver, I'm racing and old Challenger 5.5 in a mixed fleet in Cornwall, what is a good range of sails most of mine are rubbish but I have just collected a jib and main from a Hunter madina which are in reasonable condition. John Hughes    -------Original Message----- --   From: oliver cheetham Date: 15/04/2009 09:48:48 To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros   hi philippe, oliver from Mallorca- would you know the rigged weight of a micro 18? regards --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Philippe DE TROY <philippe@detroy. org> wrote: From: Philippe DE TROY <philippe@detroy. org> Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:27 PM Back on this old topic...   A German competitor entered the 30th Micr'Eau d'Heure and declares his boat as a "Gem with a Cruiser's rig".  He sent his national measurer a setof measurement, but after some exchanges, it appeared that the boat was not a Gem, but probably a Jones Micro 18 (this is the boat described on http://www.microcla ss.org/forum/ viewtopic. php?p=3398)   I'm searching the Stour sailing Club Galleries, and on http://www.stoursai lingclub. co.uk/Images/ Gallery/Regatta% 20Day%202% 20035.jpg, the 4 boats from the left are familiar to me, and identified as Gems.  The fifth one, on the right side, should be a Jones... (someone confirms?)   Then, apparently, the rig is shorter indeed, but for Cruiser, the Mainsail Hoist "P" is limited to 6,85 m (or 22ft 5in) and mast length 7,70 m (or 25ft 3 in) Data for the Gem are P=7,25 (23ft 11in), mast length unknown, but limited by Micro Class Rules to 8,20 m (26ft 10in)   This gives, on paper, a slight advantage to the Gem.   According to the French Handicap National (HN) TCF system, the only element of comparison I found in addition of the Gem (PY 1069-HN 0.6973) is the First 18 (PY 1111 / HN 0.6466)... The PY of the Swift in the Byron software table seems right, related to the First as they are believed to be similar in performance, but the Gem could be too high (equivalent of HN, compared to the First, should be 1029! But there are other boat types in the range of PY 1051-1111, common to both tables, and most of them (Centurion 32, GK 24, J 22, Sun 2000, Shipman 28, Ecume de Mer, Trapper 300, Jouet 760, Dufour 2800, Trapper 500, ...) ALL having a TCF in France between 0,73 and 0,75...  This is the TCF of a Micro Proto (Hot Boat, L'Arte), NOT for the Jones or any production Micro...     A first conclusion ofthe comparison of the tables is than Byron software over-estimates the performance of a Micro by approximately 3 to 5 minutes per hour (except for protos, but HN is based on modern boats with carbon rig) Anyway we don't have more information about the Jones Micro 18, but personally,based on 1069 forthe Gem, I should not give less than 1096, probably 1115, but also change the Swift to 1143 and the First 18 to 1152...   Phil   ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Halliwell To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros Thanks everyone...thats good enough for me. Peter H Terry <terry.home@home- it.com> wrote: The Micro Gem runs a Handicap of 1069 The Micro 18 is slightly faster with a Handicap of 1050 The Swift 18 has a Handicap of 1084   Not checked any of the other Micro Cuppers as these are the only ones I have had to use for handicaps at our club   PS. A good reference for handicap numbers is available from   http://www.byronsof tware.org. uk/bycn/byboat. htm   Regards Terry -----Original Message----- From: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:MicroClass@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Peter Halliwell Sent: 05 September 2007 15:03 To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros I'm thinking of getting a Micro...what PY Number are the Brit boats sailing to? Peter H Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@hotmail. com> wrote: Dave I sheet to the coach roof, what do you have around the 4 year mark? Steve On 3/9/07 23:25, "David" <dave.waters@ btinternet. com> wrote:     Steve, All are sound but quite well used.  I replace my sails before they get too stretched but I like to get a few seasons use from them.   Ages range from 10+ years to about 4.  Sheeting angle of course depends on position of tracks and blocks.  On the Micro18 the sheeting angle is typically to make a lot of tension down the leech. Dave --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@...> wrote: > > Dave > > What condition are they in and how old? > > Kind regards > > Steve > > Oh and what sheeting angle? > > > > On 29/8/07 15:24, "David" <dave.waters@ ...> wrote: > > >   > >   > >   > > > > Hullo Jimmy, > > > > I have a number of redundant Micro 18 sails, including jibs.  If you > > still need a jib (or any other sail) please let me know.  I live in > > Colchester, Essex and I sail my boat on the Stour at Manningtree. > > > > I'm not familiar with the Microdsail, but if you can give me the > > measurements I could check them against the Micro 18 sail(s). > > > > Regards, > > > > Dave > > > > --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com>  <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , > > "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com>  <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , > >> "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@> > >> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > Good afternoon everyone. > >>> > > > >>> > > I am in need of a standard blade jib for a Microsail as i only > > have > >> > the > >>> > > genoa with a poor sheeting angle. It will be for cruising use > >> > perhaps > >>> > > some racing dacron will do must be in good condition and be > >> > suitable > >> > to > >>> > > sheet to the standard cabin roof fittings with barber haulers. > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks in advance > >>> > > > >>> > > Jimmy. > >>> > > > >> > > >> > Hello anyone out there, if there is anyone out there? > >> > > >> > Just to create some life on the UK forum you are all abviously out > >> > there > >> > having too much fun!! I am writing to tell you i have managed to > > get > >> > a > >> > Narwhal blade jib off a Proto in Austria which works superbly and > > I > >> > was > >> > pleasantly surprised at how quick it was to arrive on my doorstep. > >> > > >> > If anyone else is in need of a new jib or suit of sails the same > > chap > >> > has a full suit of Doyle racing sails cut for a carbon mast (500 > >> > Euros > >> > +postage) and a superb radial cut Narwhal headsail (200 euros > >> > +postage)! Email me and i will forward your details to the seller > > for > >> > the details, alternatively go to www.microclass. org on the forum > >> > under > >> > sales and contact Christian yourself. There is a possibility they > >> > might > >> > be sold allready but its worth a go. > >> > > >> > Jimmy > >> > > > > >   > > >        For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

From: Philippe DE TROY

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:24 AM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros

About reefs

 

Most of the crews don't use them when racing, but it's convenient for cruising.

The Micro Class Rules request both reefs and storm jib as the boats need to be self-sufficient to go back to harbour in bad weather conditions.  Otherwise we have to provide a huge and expensive safety team.

 

Standards for offshore racing are three reefs, reduction of luff by 40% or more.

For inshore racing, a standard is 2 reefs, so how do we cut 40% in 3 parts ?  27% is just above 40%*2/3, and some sailmaker explained they set rather a smaller 1st reef when there are no flattening reefs. So let's say 10%+15%+15% to make 40%, and 10%+15%=25% for two reefs...

 

Phil

----- Original Message -----

From: oliver cheetham

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:29 AM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros

hi john, you´re asking the wrong person, sadly i don´t get much chance to race but a couple of points, i don´t  know the sail sizes of a medina but it´s unlikely they will fit in micro rule sizes. As you´re not racing "class" i don´t suppose it matters too much. Two reefs in the main are a bit overkill but thats what the class rules say. My jib has a reefing point in it so rather than change sails you can reduce. with a bit of imagination you can rig lines to do this from the cockpit- someone on the foredeck kills the micro stone dead. I´ve found it works very well. Good Sailing!!  --- On Wed, 4/15/09, john hughes <johnhughes1@...> wrote: From: john hughes <johnhughes1@...> Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:15 PM Oliver, I'm racing and old Challenger 5.5 in a mixed fleet in Cornwall, what is a good range of sails most of mine are rubbish but I have just collected a jib and main from a Hunter madina which are in reasonable condition. John Hughes    -------Original Message----- --   From: oliver cheetham Date: 15/04/2009 09:48:48 To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros   hi philippe, oliver from Mallorca- would you know the rigged weight of a micro 18? regards --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Philippe DE TROY <philippe@detroy. org> wrote: From: Philippe DE TROY <philippe@detroy. org> Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:27 PM Back on this old topic...   A German competitor entered the 30th Micr'Eau d'Heure and declares his boat as a "Gem with a Cruiser's rig".  He sent his national measurer a setof measurement, but after some exchanges, it appeared that the boat was not a Gem, but probably a Jones Micro 18 (this is the boat described on http://www.microcla ss.org/forum/ viewtopic. php?p=3398)   I'm searching the Stour sailing Club Galleries, and on http://www.stoursai lingclub. co.uk/Images/ Gallery/Regatta% 20Day%202% 20035.jpg, the 4 boats from the left are familiar to me, and identified as Gems.  The fifth one, on the right side, should be a Jones... (someone confirms?)   Then, apparently, the rig is shorter indeed, but for Cruiser, the Mainsail Hoist "P" is limited to 6,85 m (or 22ft 5in) and mast length 7,70 m (or 25ft 3 in) Data for the Gem are P=7,25 (23ft 11in), mast length unknown, but limited by Micro Class Rules to 8,20 m (26ft 10in)   This gives, on paper, a slight advantage to the Gem.   According to the French Handicap National (HN) TCF system, the only element of comparison I found in addition of the Gem (PY 1069-HN 0.6973) is the First 18 (PY 1111 / HN 0.6466)... The PY of the Swift in the Byron software table seems right, related to the First as they are believed to be similar in performance, but the Gem could be too high (equivalent of HN, compared to the First, should be 1029! But there are other boat types in the range of PY 1051-1111, common to both tables, and most of them (Centurion 32, GK 24, J 22, Sun 2000, Shipman 28, Ecume de Mer, Trapper 300, Jouet 760, Dufour 2800, Trapper 500, ...) ALL having a TCF in France between 0,73 and 0,75...  This is the TCF of a Micro Proto (Hot Boat, L'Arte), NOT for the Jones or any production Micro...     A first conclusion ofthe comparison of the tables is than Byron software over-estimates the performance of a Micro by approximately 3 to 5 minutes per hour (except for protos, but HN is based on modern boats with carbon rig) Anyway we don't have more information about the Jones Micro 18, but personally,based on 1069 forthe Gem, I should not give less than 1096, probably 1115, but also change the Swift to 1143 and the First 18 to 1152...   Phil   ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Halliwell To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros Thanks everyone...thats good enough for me. Peter H Terry <terry.home@home- it.com> wrote: The Micro Gem runs a Handicap of 1069 The Micro 18 is slightly faster with a Handicap of 1050 The Swift 18 has a Handicap of 1084   Not checked any of the other Micro Cuppers as these are the only ones I have had to use for handicaps at our club   PS. A good reference for handicap numbers is available from   http://www.byronsof tware.org. uk/bycn/byboat. htm   Regards Terry -----Original Message----- From: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:MicroClass@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Peter Halliwell Sent: 05 September 2007 15:03 To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros I'm thinking of getting a Micro...what PY Number are the Brit boats sailing to? Peter H Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@hotmail. com> wrote: Dave I sheet to the coach roof, what do you have around the 4 year mark? Steve On 3/9/07 23:25, "David" <dave.waters@ btinternet. com> wrote:     Steve, All are sound but quite well used.  I replace my sails before they get too stretched but I like to get a few seasons use from them.   Ages range from 10+ years to about 4.  Sheeting angle of course depends on position of tracks and blocks.  On the Micro18 the sheeting angle is typically to make a lot of tension down the leech. Dave --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@...> wrote: > > Dave > > What condition are they in and how old? > > Kind regards > > Steve > > Oh and what sheeting angle? > > > > On 29/8/07 15:24, "David" <dave.waters@ ...> wrote: > > >   > >   > >   > > > > Hullo Jimmy, > > > > I have a number of redundant Micro 18 sails, including jibs.  If you > > still need a jib (or any other sail) please let me know.  I live in > > Colchester, Essex and I sail my boat on the Stour at Manningtree. > > > > I'm not familiar with the Microdsail, but if you can give me the > > measurements I could check them against the Micro 18 sail(s). > > > > Regards, > > > > Dave > > > > --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com>  <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , > > "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com>  <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , > >> "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@> > >> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > Good afternoon everyone. > >>> > > > >>> > > I am in need of a standard blade jib for a Microsail as i only > > have > >> > the > >>> > > genoa with a poor sheeting angle. It will be for cruising use > >> > perhaps > >>> > > some racing dacron will do must be in good condition and be > >> > suitable > >> > to > >>> > > sheet to the standard cabin roof fittings with barber haulers. > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks in advance > >>> > > > >>> > > Jimmy. > >>> > > > >> > > >> > Hello anyone out there, if there is anyone out there? > >> > > >> > Just to create some life on the UK forum you are all abviously out > >> > there > >> > having too much fun!! I am writing to tell you i have managed to > > get > >> > a > >> > Narwhal blade jib off a Proto in Austria which works superbly and > > I > >> > was > >> > pleasantly surprised at how quick it was to arrive on my doorstep. > >> > > >> > If anyone else is in need of a new jib or suit of sails the same > > chap > >> > has a full suit of Doyle racing sails cut for a carbon mast (500 > >> > Euros > >> > +postage) and a superb radial cut Narwhal headsail (200 euros > >> > +postage)! Email me and i will forward your details to the seller > > for > >> > the details, alternatively go to www.microclass. org on the forum > >> > under > >> > sales and contact Christian yourself. There is a possibility they > >> > might > >> > be sold allready but its worth a go. > >> > > >> > Jimmy > >> > > > > >   > > >        For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

----- Original Message -----

From: oliver cheetham

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:29 AM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros

hi john, you´re asking the wrong person, sadly i don´t get much chance to race but a couple of points, i don´t  know the sail sizes of a medina but it´s unlikely they will fit in micro rule sizes. As you´re not racing "class" i don´t suppose it matters too much. Two reefs in the main are a bit overkill but thats what the class rules say. My jib has a reefing point in it so rather than change sails you can reduce. with a bit of imagination you can rig lines to do this from the cockpit- someone on the foredeck kills the micro stone dead. I´ve found it works very well. Good Sailing!!  --- On Wed, 4/15/09, john hughes <johnhughes1@...> wrote: From: john hughes <johnhughes1@...> Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:15 PM Oliver, I'm racing and old Challenger 5.5 in a mixed fleet in Cornwall, what is a good range of sails most of mine are rubbish but I have just collected a jib and main from a Hunter madina which are in reasonable condition. John Hughes    -------Original Message----- --   From: oliver cheetham Date: 15/04/2009 09:48:48 To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros   hi philippe, oliver from Mallorca- would you know the rigged weight of a micro 18? regards --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Philippe DE TROY <philippe@detroy. org> wrote: From: Philippe DE TROY <philippe@detroy. org> Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:27 PM Back on this old topic...   A German competitor entered the 30th Micr'Eau d'Heure and declares his boat as a "Gem with a Cruiser's rig".  He sent his national measurer a setof measurement, but after some exchanges, it appeared that the boat was not a Gem, but probably a Jones Micro 18 (this is the boat described on http://www.microcla ss.org/forum/ viewtopic. php?p=3398)   I'm searching the Stour sailing Club Galleries, and on http://www.stoursai lingclub. co.uk/Images/ Gallery/Regatta% 20Day%202% 20035.jpg, the 4 boats from the left are familiar to me, and identified as Gems.  The fifth one, on the right side, should be a Jones... (someone confirms?)   Then, apparently, the rig is shorter indeed, but for Cruiser, the Mainsail Hoist "P" is limited to 6,85 m (or 22ft 5in) and mast length 7,70 m (or 25ft 3 in) Data for the Gem are P=7,25 (23ft 11in), mast length unknown, but limited by Micro Class Rules to 8,20 m (26ft 10in)   This gives, on paper, a slight advantage to the Gem.   According to the French Handicap National (HN) TCF system, the only element of comparison I found in addition of the Gem (PY 1069-HN 0.6973) is the First 18 (PY 1111 / HN 0.6466)... The PY of the Swift in the Byron software table seems right, related to the First as they are believed to be similar in performance, but the Gem could be too high (equivalent of HN, compared to the First, should be 1029! But there are other boat types in the range of PY 1051-1111, common to both tables, and most of them (Centurion 32, GK 24, J 22, Sun 2000, Shipman 28, Ecume de Mer, Trapper 300, Jouet 760, Dufour 2800, Trapper 500, ...) ALL having a TCF in France between 0,73 and 0,75...  This is the TCF of a Micro Proto (Hot Boat, L'Arte), NOT for the Jones or any production Micro...     A first conclusion ofthe comparison of the tables is than Byron software over-estimates the performance of a Micro by approximately 3 to 5 minutes per hour (except for protos, but HN is based on modern boats with carbon rig) Anyway we don't have more information about the Jones Micro 18, but personally,based on 1069 forthe Gem, I should not give less than 1096, probably 1115, but also change the Swift to 1143 and the First 18 to 1152...   Phil   ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Halliwell To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros Thanks everyone...thats good enough for me. Peter H Terry <terry.home@home- it.com> wrote: The Micro Gem runs a Handicap of 1069 The Micro 18 is slightly faster with a Handicap of 1050 The Swift 18 has a Handicap of 1084   Not checked any of the other Micro Cuppers as these are the only ones I have had to use for handicaps at our club   PS. A good reference for handicap numbers is available from   http://www.byronsof tware.org. uk/bycn/byboat. htm   Regards Terry -----Original Message----- From: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:MicroClass@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Peter Halliwell Sent: 05 September 2007 15:03 To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros I'm thinking of getting a Micro...what PY Number are the Brit boats sailing to? Peter H Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@hotmail. com> wrote: Dave I sheet to the coach roof, what do you have around the 4 year mark? Steve On 3/9/07 23:25, "David" <dave.waters@ btinternet. com> wrote:     Steve, All are sound but quite well used.  I replace my sails before they get too stretched but I like to get a few seasons use from them.   Ages range from 10+ years to about 4.  Sheeting angle of course depends on position of tracks and blocks.  On the Micro18 the sheeting angle is typically to make a lot of tension down the leech. Dave --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@...> wrote: > > Dave > > What condition are they in and how old? > > Kind regards > > Steve > > Oh and what sheeting angle? > > > > On 29/8/07 15:24, "David" <dave.waters@ ...> wrote: > > >   > >   > >   > > > > Hullo Jimmy, > > > > I have a number of redundant Micro 18 sails, including jibs.  If you > > still need a jib (or any other sail) please let me know.  I live in > > Colchester, Essex and I sail my boat on the Stour at Manningtree. > > > > I'm not familiar with the Microdsail, but if you can give me the > > measurements I could check them against the Micro 18 sail(s). > > > > Regards, > > > > Dave > > > > --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com>  <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , > > "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com>  <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , > >> "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@> > >> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > Good afternoon everyone. > >>> > > > >>> > > I am in need of a standard blade jib for a Microsail as i only > > have > >> > the > >>> > > genoa with a poor sheeting angle. It will be for cruising use > >> > perhaps > >>> > > some racing dacron will do must be in good condition and be > >> > suitable > >> > to > >>> > > sheet to the standard cabin roof fittings with barber haulers. > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks in advance > >>> > > > >>> > > Jimmy. > >>> > > > >> > > >> > Hello anyone out there, if there is anyone out there? > >> > > >> > Just to create some life on the UK forum you are all abviously out > >> > there > >> > having too much fun!! I am writing to tell you i have managed to > > get > >> > a > >> > Narwhal blade jib off a Proto in Austria which works superbly and > > I > >> > was > >> > pleasantly surprised at how quick it was to arrive on my doorstep. > >> > > >> > If anyone else is in need of a new jib or suit of sails the same > > chap > >> > has a full suit of Doyle racing sails cut for a carbon mast (500 > >> > Euros > >> > +postage) and a superb radial cut Narwhal headsail (200 euros > >> > +postage)! Email me and i will forward your details to the seller > > for > >> > the details, alternatively go to www.microclass. org on the forum > >> > under > >> > sales and contact Christian yourself. There is a possibility they > >> > might > >> > be sold allready but its worth a go. > >> > > >> > Jimmy > >> > > > > >   > > >        For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

----- Original Message -----

From: oliver cheetham

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:48 AM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros

hi philippe, oliver from Mallorca- would you know the rigged weight of a micro 18? regards --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Philippe DE TROY <philippe@detroy.org> wrote: From: Philippe DE TROY <philippe@detroy.org> Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:27 PM Back on this old topic...   A German competitor entered the 30th Micr'Eau d'Heure and declares his boat as a "Gem with a Cruiser's rig".  He sent his national measurer a setof measurement, but after some exchanges, it appeared that the boat was not a Gem, but probably a Jones Micro 18 (this is the boat described on http://www.microcla ss.org/forum/ viewtopic. php?p=3398)   I'm searching the Stour sailing Club Galleries, and on http://www.stoursai lingclub. co.uk/Images/ Gallery/Regatta% 20Day%202% 20035.jpg, the 4 boats from the left are familiar to me, and identified as Gems.  The fifth one, on the right side, should be a Jones... (someone confirms?)   Then, apparently, the rig is shorter indeed, but for Cruiser, the Mainsail Hoist "P" is limited to 6,85 m (or 22ft 5in) and mast length 7,70 m (or 25ft 3 in) Data for the Gem are P=7,25 (23ft 11in), mast length unknown, but limited by Micro Class Rules to 8,20 m (26ft 10in)   This gives, on paper, a slight advantage to the Gem.   According to the French Handicap National (HN) TCF system, the only element of comparison I found in addition of the Gem (PY 1069-HN 0.6973) is the First 18 (PY 1111 / HN 0.6466)... The PY of the Swift in the Byron software table seems right, related to the First as they are believed to be similar in performance, but the Gem could be too high (equivalent of HN, compared to the First, should be 1029! But there are other boat types in the range of PY 1051-1111, common to both tables, and most of them (Centurion 32, GK 24, J 22, Sun 2000, Shipman 28, Ecume de Mer, Trapper 300, Jouet 760, Dufour 2800, Trapper 500, ...) ALL having a TCF in France between 0,73 and 0,75...  This is the TCF of a Micro Proto (Hot Boat, L'Arte), NOT for the Jones or any production Micro...     A first conclusion ofthe comparison of the tables is than Byron software over-estimates the performance of a Micro by approximately 3 to 5 minutes per hour (except for protos, but HN is based on modern boats with carbon rig) Anyway we don't have more information about the Jones Micro 18, but personally,based on 1069 forthe Gem, I should not give less than 1096, probably 1115, but also change the Swift to 1143 and the First 18 to 1152...   Phil   ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Halliwell To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros Thanks everyone...thats good enough for me. Peter H Terry <terry.home@home- it.com> wrote: The Micro Gem runs a Handicap of 1069 The Micro 18 is slightly faster with a Handicap of 1050 The Swift 18 has a Handicap of 1084   Not checked any of the other Micro Cuppers as these are the only ones I have had to use for handicaps at our club   PS. A good reference for handicap numbers is available from   http://www.byronsof tware.org. uk/bycn/byboat. htm   Regards Terry -----Original Message----- From: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:MicroClass@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Peter Halliwell Sent: 05 September 2007 15:03 To: MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros I'm thinking of getting a Micro...what PY Number are the Brit boats sailing to? Peter H Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@hotmail. com> wrote: Dave I sheet to the coach roof, what do you have around the 4 year mark? Steve On 3/9/07 23:25, "David" <dave.waters@ btinternet. com> wrote:     Steve, All are sound but quite well used.  I replace my sails before they get too stretched but I like to get a few seasons use from them.   Ages range from 10+ years to about 4.  Sheeting angle of course depends on position of tracks and blocks.  On the Micro18 the sheeting angle is typically to make a lot of tension down the leech. Dave --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@...> wrote: > > Dave > > What condition are they in and how old? > > Kind regards > > Steve > > Oh and what sheeting angle? > > > > On 29/8/07 15:24, "David" <dave.waters@ ...> wrote: > > >   > >   > >   > > > > Hullo Jimmy, > > > > I have a number of redundant Micro 18 sails, including jibs.  If you > > still need a jib (or any other sail) please let me know.  I live in > > Colchester, Essex and I sail my boat on the Stour at Manningtree. > > > > I'm not familiar with the Microdsail, but if you can give me the > > measurements I could check them against the Micro 18 sail(s). > > > > Regards, > > > > Dave > > > > --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com>  <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , > > "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > --- In MicroClass@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com>  <mailto:MicroClass% 40yahoogroups. com> , > >> "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@> > >> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > Good afternoon everyone. > >>> > > > >>> > > I am in need of a standard blade jib for a Microsail as i only > > have > >> > the > >>> > > genoa with a poor sheeting angle. It will be for cruising use > >> > perhaps > >>> > > some racing dacron will do must be in good condition and be > >> > suitable > >> > to > >>> > > sheet to the standard cabin roof fittings with barber haulers. > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks in advance > >>> > > > >>> > > Jimmy. > >>> > > > >> > > >> > Hello anyone out there, if there is anyone out there? > >> > > >> > Just to create some life on the UK forum you are all abviously out > >> > there > >> > having too much fun!! I am writing to tell you i have managed to > > get > >> > a > >> > Narwhal blade jib off a Proto in Austria which works superbly and > > I > >> > was > >> > pleasantly surprised at how quick it was to arrive on my doorstep. > >> > > >> > If anyone else is in need of a new jib or suit of sails the same > > chap > >> > has a full suit of Doyle racing sails cut for a carbon mast (500 > >> > Euros > >> > +postage) and a superb radial cut Narwhal headsail (200 euros > >> > +postage)! Email me and i will forward your details to the seller > > for > >> > the details, alternatively go to www.microclass. org on the forum > >> > under > >> > sales and contact Christian yourself. There is a possibility they > >> > might > >> > be sold allready but its worth a go. > >> > > >> > Jimmy > >> > > > > >   > > >        For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.