----- Original Message -----

From: katmancol

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:31 PM

Subject: [MicroClass] Re: Kelt 550

Thanks for the response Peter.
I'm based at Rutland Water so a little way from you. I'm used to
sailing cats so the appeal of sailing slowly and at 45 degrees is not
too appealing to me, but sailing over the winter, keeping relatively
dry and being able to have a cuppa whilst racing does. I'm really
looking forward to it. I may even take the wife along!!

The boat is totally new to me, not even sailed it I just liked the
sharp modern appearance and took the plunge, so I intend to get used
to it over the next few months before getting too serious!

No doubt I'll have a bundle of questions for the forum. But I'll keep
you posted with first impressions.

Regards
Colin

--- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com, Peter Halliwell <peterkayak@...>
wrote:
>
> Ive a Microchip, another early design, and have done quite a bit of
up dateing, but not bought any new sails. Don't know where you are
based, but if anywhere near Queen Mary, West London,we could have a
look and a chat.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter H
>
> --- On Tue, 18/11/08, katmancol <katmancol@...> wrote:
> From: katmancol <katmancol@...>
> Subject: [MicroClass] Kelt 550
> To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 18 November, 2008, 4:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All
>
> I've just bought a 1981 Kelt K18/550 which the owner told me was a
>
> Micro Cup design. I would like to know if the boat fits this Micro
>
> class and if anyone can give me any more information on the Kelt
I'd
>
> appreciate it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Colin
>

----- Original Message -----

From: katmancol

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:21 PM

Subject: [MicroClass] Re: Kelt 550

Thanks for the info Phil. Now I know where I am!!
I hope to get used to the boat over the winter. There is no spinnaker
gear with the boat so that may have to come at a later stage. I know
the design is quite old now but have any suggestions been made to
allow a gennaker into the class in align with modern sportsboats?

Regards
Colin

--- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe DE TROY" <philippe@...>
wrote:
>
> No problem, the Kelt was built on the genuine Class Rules of 1977.
> Designer Giles Ollier
> Available as fixed keel (Q) or lift keel (QR)
> Performance is assessed by the French Federation as equal to the
First 18, and the First 18 QR has a PN 1111, just slower than a Swift
18 (1102) and the First 18 and Kelt 550 are clearly approximately 1
minute slower. These handicaps rely on speed statistics and may also
reflect the average level of the crews...
>
> There was god information (in French) on a Swiss Web site La Voile-
Les Voiliers, temporary unavailable, also a page (in French too) on
the Go-Neptune Web site (also in French) www.go-neptune.org/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&catid=46:croiseurs&id=72:kelt-
550&Itemid=70
>
> On Micro Class.org, see the standard sail dimensions on
www.microclass.org/page.php?page=document5
> These dimensions are still "old style" mainsails, the Micro Class
accepts some "refreshed" style with larger mainsail head (batten
accepted instead of board), but it implies a device to pass the
backstay when gybing.
> The headsail is also outdated, most of the Micros are using
standard jibs 6.50 by 2.00 metres, just check if there is room on the
forestay for such a long luff, then as the standard mainsail area is
10.94 sq.m., improved with larger mainsail like First 18 or Jouet 550
11.20 sq.m., adjust the heasail area to 7.56 or 7.30 sq.m. (for luff
length 6.50, perpendicular from clew point 2.32 or 2.24)
> On the other side, if the forestay attachment is as low as the
headsail luff length lets fear, the spinnaker is incredibly high and
narrow (and slightly undersized for the present Class Rules), the
standards in the Class are leeches length 6.40, mid width 3,73 and
foot length 3,47 (like Go-Neptune). I used a 6.55 high spinnaker on
my standard Shanta Micro Proto, the kite was not setting properly,
now I changed to 6.40 and things are much better, the forestay length
is 6.90
>
> Phil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: katmancol
> To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:08 PM
> Subject: [MicroClass] Kelt 550
>
>
> Hi All
> I've just bought a 1981 Kelt K18/550 which the owner told me was
a
> Micro Cup design. I would like to know if the boat fits this
Micro
> class and if anyone can give me any more information on the Kelt
I'd
> appreciate it.
> Thanks
> Colin
>

Thanks for the response Peter.
I'm based at Rutland Water so a little way from you. I'm used to
sailing cats so the appeal of sailing slowly and at 45 degrees is not
too appealing to me, but sailing over the winter, keeping relatively
dry and being able to have a cuppa whilst racing does. I'm really
looking forward to it. I may even take the wife along!!

The boat is totally new to me, not even sailed it I just liked the
sharp modern appearance and took the plunge, so I intend to get used
to it over the next few months before getting too serious!

No doubt I'll have a bundle of questions for the forum. But I'll keep
you posted with first impressions.

Regards
Colin


--- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com, Peter Halliwell <peterkayak@...>
wrote:
>
> Ive a Microchip, another early design, and have done quite a bit of
up dateing, but not bought any new sails. Don't know where you are
based, but if anywhere near Queen Mary, West London,we could have a
look and a chat.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter H
>
> --- On Tue, 18/11/08, katmancol <katmancol@...> wrote:
> From: katmancol <katmancol@...>
> Subject: [MicroClass] Kelt 550
> To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 18 November, 2008, 4:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Hi All
>
> I've just bought a 1981 Kelt K18/550 which the owner told me was a
>
> Micro Cup design. I would like to know if the boat fits this Micro
>
> class and if anyone can give me any more information on the Kelt
I'd
>
> appreciate it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Colin
>

Thanks for the info Phil. Now I know where I am!!
I hope to get used to the boat over the winter. There is no spinnaker
gear with the boat so that may have to come at a later stage. I know
the design is quite old now but have any suggestions been made to
allow a gennaker into the class in align with modern sportsboats?

Regards
Colin





--- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe DE TROY" <philippe@...>
wrote:
>
> No problem, the Kelt was built on the genuine Class Rules of 1977.
> Designer Giles Ollier
> Available as fixed keel (Q) or lift keel (QR)
> Performance is assessed by the French Federation as equal to the
First 18, and the First 18 QR has a PN 1111, just slower than a Swift
18 (1102) and the First 18 and Kelt 550 are clearly approximately 1
minute slower.  These handicaps rely on speed statistics and may also
reflect the average level of the crews...
>
> There was god information (in French) on a Swiss Web site La Voile-
Les Voiliers, temporary unavailable, also a page (in French too) on
the Go-Neptune Web site (also in French) www.go-neptune.org/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&catid=46:croiseurs&id=72:kelt-
550&Itemid=70
>
> On Micro Class.org, see the standard sail dimensions on
www.microclass.org/page.php?page=document5
> These dimensions are still "old style" mainsails, the Micro Class
accepts some "refreshed" style with larger mainsail head (batten
accepted instead of board), but it implies a device to pass the
backstay when gybing.
> The headsail is also outdated, most of the Micros are using
standard jibs 6.50 by 2.00 metres, just check if there is room on the
forestay for such a long luff, then as the standard mainsail area is
10.94 sq.m., improved with larger mainsail like First 18 or Jouet 550
11.20 sq.m., adjust the heasail area to 7.56 or 7.30 sq.m. (for luff
length 6.50, perpendicular from clew point 2.32 or 2.24)
> On the other side, if the forestay attachment is as low as the
headsail luff length lets fear, the spinnaker is incredibly high and
narrow (and slightly undersized for the present Class Rules), the
standards in the Class are leeches length 6.40, mid width 3,73 and
foot length 3,47 (like Go-Neptune).  I used a 6.55 high spinnaker on
my standard Shanta Micro Proto, the kite was not setting properly,
now I changed to 6.40 and things are much better, the forestay length
is 6.90
>
> Phil
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: katmancol
>   To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:08 PM
>   Subject: [MicroClass] Kelt 550
>
>
>   Hi All
>   I've just bought a 1981 Kelt K18/550 which the owner told me was
a
>   Micro Cup design. I would like to know if the boat fits this
Micro
>   class and if anyone can give me any more information on the Kelt
I'd
>   appreciate it.
>   Thanks
>   Colin
>

URGENT SALE - NEEDED MUST GO - NEW BOAT HAS ARRIVED

I am selling my GEM 'Gazelle' sail no 40
good condition, everything works
recent Goacher main, jib and spi all in v. good condition
good Sanders genoa and blade jib
spare genoa, spi and main
anchor chain and warps
fenders
windex
all halyards, spi pole lines, kicker and cunninham led to cockpit
HATCH LAUNCH BAG FOR SPI
running rigging recently renewed
new keel winch {not fitted}
table fits on keel box
single burner stove

Johnson 4hp 2 stroke outboard (very light!) on new lifting bracket

good breakback trailer with new winch and tyres, and spare wheel

lying at Poole

see photos under GEM in the photos section of this group.  Llots more
pics at
http://www.workofart-marine.co.uk/images/Boats%20Web%20images/Boat%
20Slides/John's%20Gazelle/index.htm

£3 500 ono

tel 01202 692 096

John Button

----- Original Message -----

From: katmancol

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:08 PM

Subject: [MicroClass] Kelt 550

Hi All
I've just bought a 1981 Kelt K18/550 which the owner told me was a
Micro Cup design. I would like to know if the boat fits this Micro
class and if anyone can give me any more information on the Kelt I'd
appreciate it.
Thanks
Colin

Hi All
I've just bought a 1981 Kelt K18/550 which the owner told me was a
Micro Cup design. I would like to know if the boat fits this Micro
class and if anyone can give me any more information on the Kelt I'd
appreciate it.
Thanks
Colin

hi all, just back from a few days training. It was again a drama
getting the boat out the water in Arbroath mostly due to the fact
that I had not raised the keel far enough, it was still sitting a few
inches out but it was impossible to see it from our vantage point.
I ended up re doing thwe whole system while in port Edgar as the old
one had been repaired badly and there were too many needless shackles
which shortenend the lift capability of the winch.

One issue has come up and its that there is not a fitting low down on
the bow to enable a horizontal "pull" to drag her onto the trailer,
it means the winch has to be attached high up the the plate t6hat
holds the fore stay. This gives an upward pull rather than a
horizontal one, it was almost impossible to pull her all the way up
to the snubb.

Has aynone fitted a D ring lower down to allow a better "pull" to be
had? If so I would be very interested in hearing how it was down.

As to the sailing its self, it was really great. I was a novice
sailer and had never even been on a boat that was heeling, so I was
in for a big shock. She heeled over beautifully and my instructor was
shocked at how quick she went. never once did she thresten to
capsize, she just turned into the wind when it got too much or we let
out the main sail. due to the blustery conditions we reefed the main
all the time and she behaved very well indeed. I really enjoyed the
sailing espesially with a good instructor on board which instills
confidence.
I slept onboard when I was there to save money and the accomodation
was just fine, sausages were fried on a wee gas cooker thingy that
sat on the washboard which had been laid down across the cockpit to
create more worktop space. Sausages frying at sunrise...... heaven.

Regards Alan

----- Original Message -----

From: Peter Halliwell

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:01 PM

Subject: RE: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros

Thanks everyone...thats good enough for me.

Peter H

Terry <terry.home@home-it.com> wrote:

The Micro Gem runs a Handicap of 1069

The Micro 18 is slightly faster with a Handicap of 1050

The Swift 18 has a Handicap of 1084

 

Not checked any of the other Micro Cuppers as these are the only ones I have had to use for handicaps at our club

 

PS. A good reference for handicap numbers is available from

 

http://www.byronsoftware.org.uk/bycn/byboat.htm

 

Regards

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicroClass@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Halliwell
Sent: 05 September 2007 15:03
To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Re: Yardstick number for micros

I'm thinking of getting a Micro...what PY Number are the Brit boats sailing to?

Peter H

Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dave

I sheet to the coach roof, what do you have around the 4 year mark?

Steve


On 3/9/07 23:25, "David" <dave.waters@btinternet.com> wrote:

 
 

Steve,

All are sound but quite well used.  I replace my sails before they
get too stretched but I like to get a few seasons use from them.  
Ages range from 10+ years to about 4.  Sheeting angle of course
depends on position of tracks and blocks.  On the Micro18 the
sheeting angle is typically to make a lot of tension down the leech.

Dave

--- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MicroClass%40yahoogroups.com> , Steve Culpitt <sculpitt@...> wrote:
>
> Dave
>
> What condition are they in and how old?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Steve
>
> Oh and what sheeting angle?
>
>
>
> On 29/8/07 15:24, "David" <dave.waters@...> wrote:
>
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >
> > Hullo Jimmy,
> >
> > I have a number of redundant Micro 18 sails, including jibs.  If
you
> > still need a jib (or any other sail) please let me know.  I live
in
> > Colchester, Essex and I sail my boat on the Stour at Manningtree.
> >
> > I'm not familiar with the Microdsail, but if you can give me the
> > measurements I could check them against the Micro 18 sail(s).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MicroClass%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:MicroClass%
40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@>
> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > --- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MicroClass%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:MicroClass%
40yahoogroups.com> ,
> >> "jimmyfuller0" <jimmyfuller0@>
> >> > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Good afternoon everyone.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I am in need of a standard blade jib for a Microsail as i
only
> > have
> >> > the
> >>> > > genoa with a poor sheeting angle. It will be for cruising
use
> >> > perhaps
> >>> > > some racing dacron will do must be in good condition and be
> >> > suitable
> >> > to
> >>> > > sheet to the standard cabin roof fittings with barber
haulers.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thanks in advance
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Jimmy.
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >> > Hello anyone out there, if there is anyone out there?
> >> >
> >> > Just to create some life on the UK forum you are all abviously
out
> >> > there
> >> > having too much fun!! I am writing to tell you i have managed
to
> > get
> >> > a
> >> > Narwhal blade jib off a Proto in Austria which works superbly
and
> > I
> >> > was
> >> > pleasantly surprised at how quick it was to arrive on my
doorstep.
> >> >
> >> > If anyone else is in need of a new jib or suit of sails the
same
> > chap
> >> > has a full suit of Doyle racing sails cut for a carbon mast
(500
> >> > Euros
> >> > +postage) and a superb radial cut Narwhal headsail (200 euros
> >> > +postage)! Email me and i will forward your details to the
seller
> > for
> >> > the details, alternatively go to www.microclass.org on the
forum
> >> > under
> >> > sales and contact Christian yourself. There is a possibility
they
> >> > might
> >> > be sold allready but its worth a go.
> >> >
> >> > Jimmy
> >> >
> >
> >  
> >
>

 
    

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I am selling my GEM 'Gazelle' sail no 40
good condition, everything works
recent Goacher main, jib and spi all in good condition
good Sanders genoa and blade jib
spare Sanders genoa, spi and main
new compass
new keel winch {not fitted}
Johnson 4hp 2 stroke (very light!)
good trailer with new winch

lying at Poole

lots of pics at
http://www.workofart-marine.co.uk/images/Boats%20Web%20images/Boat%
20Slides/John's%20Gazelle/index.htm

Hi there, are there any step by step . idiot proof ways of getting the
mast down and all packed away for a road trip?

I and a few helpful amatuers raised the mast with Benny Hill results, I
would much rather take everything down properly this time.

I am going over to Port Edgar in Oct for some lessons and I need to
trailer her over there.

Regards Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "bty777677" <alan.davidson14@...>
> Lastly, the rudder has a locking mechanisum to hold rudder out the
> water, I have the machine screw and handle but the bit that actually
> touches the rudder has gone missing. What is it made of?
>
Hi> Alan
> On mine, its a bit of aluminium rod about 19mm dia by 19mml ong with a
blind axial hole tapped to fit the machine screw (M10, I think)
John
Gazelle #40
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
>
>

hi all, wondering if there are any favoured electronic ad ons that work
well on a microgem.

At the moment there is no working wind direction indicstor, no depth
gauge, no compass, no fish finder, no plotter...its devoid of
electronic gear.

Any recomendations as to modern gizmoes that would suffice?

Lastly, the rudder has a locking mechanisum to hold rudder out the
water, I have the machine screw and handle but the bit that actually
touches the rudder has gone missing. What is it made of?

Regards and thanks

Alan

Hi
Despite all my best intentions I'll not be at your open. Microchip
still has a hole in her side, and although I've worked out the
modification to allow her to take the ground and not sink, I've yet to
construct it. Hope you all have a good time.

The offer of an Micro Championship at Queen Mary S.C for next season
still stands.

Regards

Peter H
Microchip K7

Hi all, thinking about taking my Microgem from Abroath over to Port
Edgar to get some professional sailing lessons sometime between Oct 7th
and 20th 2008.
If there are any other Gem owners in the area then get in touch.

It is not that easy to get similar training in Angus Or Dundee as they
are all packing up for the winter.

Regards Alan

Just a wee thanks to everyone that replied to my first post.

If there is anything going on near me (arbroath in Angus) to do with
GEM micros then please get in touch.
I would love to see up close a well rigged out well set up boat as no
one over hear seems that switched onto these type of boats.

I noticed a Marina near Edinburgh that do a week long keel boat course
that looked pretty good But on closer reading the course "culminated"
with a day sail in the Firth of Forth. I would have hoped for more time
on the water.

Anyone sailing one that could show me the ropes is very welcome to get
in touch.

Regards Alan in Arbroath

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> Hi all, I recently purchased a very nice GEM Micro which is now
berthed  in Arbroath Marina.

Hi Alan
Welcome aboard
  You didn't say if you had sailed before, just it's your first boat...
For advice, talk to someone who sails a big racey dinghy
  You have a very quick responsive boat that is well balanced- but you
should start slowy.  Start out with 2 reefs in the main and the
smallest jib you have, and don't forget to put in the bolt that locks
the keel down.
  Use the traveller to control the main.
Slide the rudder back as far as it will go

Some useful GEM links
http://baintonmedia.bigpondhosting.com/gem550/default.html
http://www.gemyachts.com.au/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gem550/?yguid=254340354

I,ll put a copy of the sail trimming notes-came from an Oz site in
the files section
Good sailing
John
Gazelle GEM40

----- Original Message -----

From: oliver cheetham

To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:34 AM

Subject: Re: [MicroClass] New GEM Micro Owner in Arbroath

well...you´ve bought a bit of an animal for a first boat. keep the keel down while you get used to it, don´t get caught with too much sail up and never have too many people on the same side when in harbour or you will all end up swimming. great boats, enjoy yourself regards oliver --- On Wed, 8/27/08, bty777677 <alan.davidson14@btinternet.com> wrote: From: bty777677 <alan.davidson14@btinternet.com> Subject: [MicroClass] New GEM Micro Owner in Arbroath To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 10:25 PM Hi all, I recently purchased a very nice GEM Micro which is now berthed in Arbroath Marina. Are there any members who have experience with these boats within a resonable distance of Arbroath? Its my first sail boat and not many here know the ins and outs of such a boat as this. It would be great to be in contact with other owners who could perhaps share their knowledge/ experience in all aspects of a GEM Micro. Regards Alan