Depending on the stiffness of the mast, the cascade kicker may not have the expected effect.
I don't use it usually with a stiff mast.
And oversized kickers are mast, boom and gooseneck killers.
In any case, the sail will not be under control if you don't allow the mast to bend, by easing the lower shrouds : they should never be tight unless the boat is sailing in hard wind conditions. In harbour, a common method of setting the shrouds is :
set the mat in vertical positon using the upper shrouds. The lower shrouds are then loose.
set the main halyard on the end of the boom, or better around the boom at the level of the main sheet
haul the main sheet to have a mast bent 1.5 times longitudinal section (stiff mast) to even 2.5 times longitudinal section
tighten the upper shrouds if they are loose
tighten the lower shrouds to a tension just higher than the upper
set the sails and test this basic trim in a good wind (at least 12 knots)
if there are large oblique wrinkles between forestay fittings and clew, tighten the lower shrouds
When there are no longer wrinkles, you have the "lowest power" configuration.
An old mainsail is bad thing, best use a good mainsail. Our experience is that a strong cloth (at least 180 gr /sq.m.), or equivalent in exotic material, is good, 240 gr/sq.m. last longer and is just weaker in lighter winds.
Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Racing-pointing/spinnaker / Gem sail no 11
Hi Robin
Thanks for your invaluable advice, I seem to be ticking most of the boxes apart from having the main luff tight, but I think that is down to the age and condition of the sail. I'm planning on fitting a cascade kicker to give more purchase, I raced her in light winds last night and finished 4th out of 13 boats so obviously depowering her is the problem. I'll keep you posted
Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Racing-pointing/spinnaker / Gem sail no 11
hi Alan im in the same situation as you learning a new boat.
you say shrouds are tight. they are a method of changing the sail shape slightly before you use the back stay. tighter outers reduce sail depth. you seem to have too much power in the sail is the luf tight enough when you set the sail without the cunningham? is the foot out haul moveing ok. are you stalling the boat by trying to point too high?also do not pinchbcomming out of a tack. once the centre plate has stalled it takes a time off wind to recover the situation.
i have found that wee need a crew of 3 because we neeed to depower the sails above a force 3 with only 2 of us.
plymouth sound sailor
Alan Main <alan.gmain@...> wrote:
Can anyone give me some hints/advice regarding the above. I've taken part in 5 races now,the only race I did well in was in light winds. For example I raced today in a force 4-5, lots of fun downwind, but made lots of leeway to windward, even with a reef in the main and my jib hanked on instead of my genoa. My stays are tight and I used the aft stay to good effect, but still had bigger and slower boats passing me. Also any advice on how best to handle the spinnaker, I've rigged up a chute and sock affair but I'm still having problems. Since I bought the boat last year I've done lots of work on her but,as yet,I still have the old/original sails,I hope to buy new sails for next season, could this make a big difference??? Looking forward to some advice All The Best Alan Main (NW Scotland)
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Thanks for your invaluable advice, I seem to be ticking most of the boxes apart from having the main luff tight, but I think that is down to the age and condition of the sail. I'm planning on fitting a cascade kicker to give more purchase, I raced her in light winds last night and finished 4th out of 13 boats so obviously depowering her is the problem. I'll keep you posted
Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Racing-pointing/spinnaker / Gem sail no 11
hi Alan im in the same situation as you learning a new boat.
you say shrouds are tight. they are a method of changing the sail shape slightly before you use the back stay. tighter outers reduce sail depth. you seem to have too much power in the sail is the luf tight enough when you set the sail without the cunningham? is the foot out haul moveing ok. are you stalling the boat by trying to point too high?also do not pinchbcomming out of a tack. once the centre plate has stalled it takes a time off wind to recover the situation.
i have found that wee need a crew of 3 because we neeed to depower the sails above a force 3 with only 2 of us.
plymouth sound sailor
Alan Main <alan.gmain@...> wrote:
Can anyone give me some hints/advice regarding the above. I've taken part in 5 races now,the only race I did well in was in light winds. For example I raced today in a force 4-5, lots of fun downwind, but made lots of leeway to windward, even with a reef in the main and my jib hanked on instead of my genoa. My stays are tight and I used the aft stay to good effect, but still had bigger and slower boats passing me. Also any advice on how best to handle the spinnaker, I've rigged up a chute and sock affair but I'm still having problems. Since I bought the boat last year I've done lots of work on her but,as yet,I still have the old/original sails,I hope to buy new sails for next season, could this make a big difference??? Looking forward to some advice All The Best Alan Main (NW Scotland)
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hi Alan im in the same situation as you learning a new boat.
you say shrouds are tight. they are a method of changing the sail shape slightly before you use the back stay. tighter outers reduce sail depth. you seem to have too much power in the sail is the luf tight enough when you set the sail without the cunningham? is the foot out haul moveing ok. are you stalling the boat by trying to point too high?also do not pinchbcomming out of a tack. once the centre plate has stalled it takes a time off wind to recover the situation.
i have found that wee need a crew of 3 because we neeed to depower the sails above a force 3 with only 2 of us.
plymouth sound sailor
Alan Main <alan.gmain@...> wrote:
Can anyone give me some hints/advice regarding the above. I've taken part in 5 races now,the only race I did well in was in light winds. For example I raced today in a force 4-5, lots of fun downwind, but made lots of leeway to windward, even with a reef in the main and my jib hanked on instead of my genoa. My stays are tight and I used the aft stay to good effect, but still had bigger and slower boats passing me. Also any advice on how best to handle the spinnaker, I've rigged up a chute and sock affair but I'm still having problems. Since I bought the boat last year I've done lots of work on her but,as yet,I still have the old/original sails,I hope to buy new sails for next season, could this make a big difference??? Looking forward to some advice All The Best Alan Main (NW
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Hello Micro Class,
I am a GEM owner from Germany. 4 Years ago I baught the boat (Sail-No.
67) from an old man in germany. The boat was in a very poor condition,
but my friend and me worked very hard on it, so now it is a very nice
boat.
You also can see it on http://www.horn.kulturserver.de
I am allways interested in things that makes the boat faster or
better, so i hope, that you can give me some hints, how to optimize
the boat.
best wishes for all micro sailors inthe world,
sven
Not sure about the similarities in the gem and the micro but I found similar
issues when I started sailing my micro. Although it feels like the boat
sails better when it is heeled over slightly I later discovered that keeping
her flat is important. The flatter she is the less leeway is made but a lot
less tendency of broaching also. I find three people aboard the ideal figure
to keep her flat plus if their weight can not keep her flat then play with
the main sheet to keep her flat whilst ensuring that the telltales on the
Genoa keep flying. Not much point trying to get lift out of a gust, rather
slacken the main, keep the boat flat and take the increased speed rather.
New sails will make a difference.
Spinnaker problems will depend on the setup you have, You mention a chute
which I do not have. All I can suggest is to go out and practise with the
same crew, again and again until you are comfortable with it. Also try to
arrange to go sailing with another boat (the same as yours) to see how they
work their spinnaker. I recently sailed on a Bosun dinghy and found the
setup of the spinnaker to be one of the simplest I have ever used and I am
now trying to think of ways to incorporate this setup onto my boat. Try to
think of spinnaker as a simple task. Many people think the spinnaker is a
complex and confusing sail. It is in fact quite simple once you get yourself
sorted.
Hope this helps
Regards
Terry
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> Subject: [MicroClass] Racing-pointing/spinnaker / Gem sail no 11
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> Can anyone give me some hints/advice regarding the above. I've taken
> part in 5 races now,the only race I did well in was in light
> winds. For
> example I raced today in a force 4-5, lots of fun downwind, but made
> lots of leeway to windward, even with a reef in the main and my jib
> hanked on instead of my genoa. My stays are tight and I used the aft
> stay to good effect, but still had bigger and slower boats passing me.
> Also any advice on how best to handle the spinnaker, I've rigged up a
> chute and sock affair but I'm still having problems. Since I bought
> the boat last year I've done lots of work on her but,as yet,I still
> have the old/original sails,I hope to buy new sails for next season,
> could this make a big difference??? Looking forward to some advice
> All The Best
> Alan Main (NW Scotland)
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Can anyone give me some hints/advice regarding the above. I've taken
part in 5 races now,the only race I did well in was in light winds. For
example I raced today in a force 4-5, lots of fun downwind, but made
lots of leeway to windward, even with a reef in the main and my jib
hanked on instead of my genoa. My stays are tight and I used the aft
stay to good effect, but still had bigger and slower boats passing me.
Also any advice on how best to handle the spinnaker, I've rigged up a
chute and sock affair but I'm still having problems. Since I bought
the boat last year I've done lots of work on her but,as yet,I still
have the old/original sails,I hope to buy new sails for next season,
could this make a big difference??? Looking forward to some advice
All The Best
Alan Main (NW Scotland)
Hi there... Has anybody any information on keel winches for the GEM? The design on the one (no. 40, Gazelle) I've just got is not good (an understatement). A wire runs from the 30% chord position on the keel over a pulley in the top of the Mast then support down to a "Jockey" winch that grips the wire directly. When the keel is up, the lift is at 45deg to vertical, so the keel is jammed sideways into the mast post and the wire tension is far higher than need be. There has got to be a better way.
Also, there are 5mm steel wires + bottlescrew tensioners from the underside of the chain plates to a bolt through the mast support near the base. Are these really necessary?
Finally, does any one have a rigging guide? What is the mast rake and shroud tension?
Any info gratefully received
John Button, Poole,
Dorset OI2O2 692O96
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Hi there...
Has anybody any information on keel winches for the GEM?
The design on the one (no. 40, Gazelle) I've just got is not good (an
understatement).
A wire runs from the 30% chord position on the keel over a pulley in
the top of the Mast then support down to a "Jockey" winch that grips
the wire directly. When the keel is up, the lift is at 45deg to
vertical, so the keel is jammed sideways into the mast post and the
wire tension is far higher than need be. There has got to be a
better way.
Also, there are 5mm steel wires + bottlescrew tensioners from the
underside of the chain plates to a bolt through the mast support near
the base. Are these really necessary?
Finally, does any one have a rigging guide? What is the mast rake and
shroud tension?
Any info gratefully received
John Button, Poole, Dorset
OI2O2 692O96
I have managed to get a new Rudder custom made out of 4 pieces of Mahogany glued together. I still need this to be oiled and varnished over the next couple of weeks.
I also now realised that the stock on my boat has broken. It is made of Aluminium and tried to get somebody to weld this up for me. The welder merely burnt bigger holes in the aluminium because the aluminium is already well oxidised through time. They said they would get in some special aluminium rods for building up aluminium but to be honest I reckon I would rather try and get a replacement stock
Does anybody have an idea where I might be able to get a replacement stock? Is this a standard part for a Micro Cupper or perhaps any other boat? Otherwise I will just have to try and have one made from scratch.
Regards
Terry
-----Original Message----- From: Philippe De Troy [mailto:microclass@...] Sent: 05 June 2005 21:41 To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Broken Rudder
I had a great race today until all of a sudden there was a cracking sound and when I looked back I saw the rudder breaking off and floating away.
I therefore have to construct a new rudder. Preferably stronger and better than the old one. The obvious choice is to construct it of wood as it was before, however I am thinking of perhaps making it of glass fibre as I think this might be stronger and lighter.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Regards Terry
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I have managed to get a new Rudder custom made out of 4 pieces of Mahogany glued together. I still need this to be oiled and varnished over the next couple of weeks.
I also now realised that the stock on my boat has broken. It is made of Aluminium and tried to get somebody to weld this up for me. The welder merely burnt bigger holes in the aluminium because the aluminium is already well oxidised through time. They said they would get in some special aluminium rods for building up aluminium but to be honest I reckon I would rather try and get a replacement stock
Does anybody have an idea where I might be able to get a replacement stock? Is this a standard part for a Micro Cupper or perhaps any other boat? Otherwise I will just have to try and have one made from scratch.
Regards
Terry
-----Original Message----- From: Philippe De Troy [mailto:microclass@...] Sent: 05 June 2005 21:41 To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [MicroClass] Broken Rudder
I had a great race today until all of a sudden there was a cracking sound and when I looked back I saw the rudder breaking off and floating away.
I therefore have to construct a new rudder. Preferably stronger and better than the old one. The obvious choice is to construct it of wood as it was before, however I am thinking of perhaps making it of glass fibre as I think this might be stronger and lighter.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Regards Terry
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For the record
I've just bought Gem micro no. 40, "gazelle".
She is based at Poole yacht club - launched 28.6.05
Is there a UK Gem or uclass web site?
Anybody near Poole got one? I'd like to compare setups.
Regards
John Button
O12O2 692O96
I had a great race today until all of a sudden there was a cracking sound and when I looked back I saw the rudder breaking off and floating away.
I therefore have to construct a new rudder. Preferably stronger and better than the old one. The obvious choice is to construct it of wood as it was before, however I am thinking of perhaps making it of glass fibre as I think this might be stronger and lighter.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Regards Terry
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I had a great race today until all of a sudden there was a cracking sound
and when I looked back I saw the rudder breaking off and floating away.
I therefore have to construct a new rudder. Preferably stronger and better
than the old one. The obvious choice is to construct it of wood as it was
before, however I am thinking of perhaps making it of glass fibre as I think
this might be stronger and lighter.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Regards
Terry
Has anyone out there got second hand sails in good condition that they
would be interested in selling. It is to fit on to a Hot Boat
(Shiraz).
I am based in the North of Scotland but I will pay for postage.
Neil
neil.cormack@...
if anyone out there has a Swift 18 or you know anyone who has you may
be interested in these 2 links
www.swift18.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swift_18/
Rob
I'm looking for some advice on where the spinnaker sheets should be led to on the boat. I have mine running into blocks on each stern quarter but after having sailed in heavy winds I found it difficult to handle the boat as it kept trying to nosedive especially if someone was up on the bow. Any advice would be welcome.
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I'm looking for some advice on where the spinnaker sheets should be led
to on the boat. I have mine running into blocks on each stern quarter
but after having sailed in heavy winds I found it difficult to handle
the boat as it kept trying to nosedive especially if someone was up on
the bow. Any advice would be welcome.
If anybody ahs any old magazines with articles on the Micro class, it will
be great if you could scan these in and upload them to the files section
I have already added one article about the swift.
Regards
Terry
Just joined the group as started to crew for owner of an old boat. He
believes it to be a Jackson Bearcat. Does anyone know about this
boat. Who and where built, particular rig set up and PY? I could
start from scratch but sone help would be good and speed up the
learning process. As an ex finn sailor with an old back my first
impression after one sail is I could enjoy this class!
Phil
Hello,
I am a french man sailing in the netherland on an old english micro
"speculation".
I am member of the IMCCA's techincal committee and IMCCA nation
representatif for The Netherlands.
If you have any questions about the microclass, i may help if Phil
doesn t already did.
For Alan Condor or Neil Cormack.
Could you try to contact the owner of the GEM Gemine 7764T which is
sailing on the windermeer and is mostly actif in winter, to get his
Email?
thanks
Renan
--- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com, "neil6414" <neil.cormack@b...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> I am new to the micro 18 class having just purchased SHIRAZ a Hot Boat.
>
> Based in the North of Scotland, but would be grateful to hear from
> other Micro 18 owners for tips an advice.
>
> I am currently looking for a mainsail cover so I can leave the sail on
> the boom, any suggestions gratefully received.
>
> Neil
Hi neil, you just buy a racing machine. Leaving the main sail on the
boom is not what you should do if you want to keep the best of it.
Put it off, roll it and put it inside.
Please!
Remember to sail the hot boat as flat as possible!
Renan ROBERT NED17
Thanks for the heads up Phillipe I'll wait till his site is fixed then get in touch to find out if he plans to go west of Skye or come inside to where I am Alan
--- In MicroClass@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe De Troy" <microclass@s...> wrote: > Alan, > > An Italian Micro is now sailing from Northern Norway to Italy and is planned to visit Western Scotland in the coming months... > See http://uk.geocities.com/leon62rodriguez/myself.html > The web site doesn't work properly now, it should be sorted out soon. > > Philippe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alancondor > To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:38 PM > Subject: [MicroClass] New member/Old Boat > > > > > (...) > I'm based in Kyle in the Scottish North West > Alan Main
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Thanks for the heads up Phillipe I'll wait till his site is fixed
then get in touch to find out if he plans to go west of Skye or come
inside to where I am
Alan
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<microclass@s...> wrote:
> Alan,
>
> An Italian Micro is now sailing from Northern Norway to Italy and
is planned to visit Western Scotland in the coming months...
> See http://uk.geocities.com/leon62rodriguez/myself.html
> The web site doesn't work properly now, it should be sorted out
soon.
>
> Philippe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alancondor
> To: MicroClass@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:38 PM
> Subject: [MicroClass] New member/Old Boat
>
>
>
>
> (...)
> I'm based in Kyle in the Scottish North West
> Alan Main
Hello Sailors
I thank the few of you whom have joined the group. We are already 5 members
in the group after just a few days.
I am based in London at Greenwich Yacht Club. I am the only Micro 18 there
although we do have a Swift 18 there and also an E-boat. I purchased my
Micro about a year ago from Poole in Dorset and enjoy sailing her a lot.
I have some photos posted on my website
http://home-it.com/transfer/SpicedGold
Philippe has already pointed out that there are some problems with my boat
that is out of class rules but I will work on getting these sorted out one
at a time.
At present I am busy rebuilding the homemade trailer that came with the boat
to make it more roadworthy and also collapsible for storage as I leave
Spiced gold on a mooring for most of the year.
I hope we can use this group to talk about the Micro Class and share tips
with one another. Perhaps one day we could get together and arrange a get
together somewhere and go sailing.
One thing that I am looking for is a cover for the back of the boom. At
present my boom is open at the back and the sharp edges seem dangerous. If
anybody has any ideas where parts like this can be obtained it would be
useful.
Regards
Terry
GBR 9253Y
Hi Everyone
I'm delighted to have found this site. I bought a Gem from
Windermere last October sail no 11. Was in touch with Rob Humphreys who
told me he built the boat in 1981. She was in a bit of a sorry state
but I have spent the winter getting her back to her former glory(well
almost)I'm now in the process of revamping the running rigging and I'm
slightly confused as to the layout(dinghies were much easier)There
seems to be a reefing system for the mainsail which I can't workout!!
Also could the boat have a mast raising system? If anyone can give me
any info. it would be greatly received.
I'm based in Kyle in the Scottish North West
Alan Main
The activity in UK declined, mainly due to very expensive Channel crossings to remain in touch with the continental fleet. We are working ahrd to get promotional low fares for group night crossings for the major events.
Production Micros in UK should be mainly Gems (by Rob Humphreys), Speculations (by Phil Morrisson), Russian Micro Lenas, imported in Poole by Howard Baron in the early nineties.
Hi Everyone
I am new to the micro 18 class having just purchased SHIRAZ a Hot Boat.
Based in the North of Scotland, but would be grateful to hear from
other Micro 18 owners for tips an advice.
I am currently looking for a mainsail cover so I can leave the sail on
the boom, any suggestions gratefully received.
Neil
Just a quick email to say Hi!
I'm actually an E-Boat sailor based in Portsmouth, Hants, who nearly
bought a micro last year. I'm also a member of the E-Boat class
associations and yahoo groups but in the past have raced 505s, int. 14s
and have a share in an old 18' skiff tucked away in the dinghy park.
Force 5s all round!
Adam H