these guys had dreams of yankeedom. at the end of the day only the guys in the
bronx can play half-hearted and still dominate teams. the mets dont have the
attitude to be able pull off that. i think the brain trust in flushing need to
think hard about why they fell apart and correct it for next season. also, we
all knew that the phillies when healthy, could be dangerous...every team was
ready for the mets this year. they couldnt surprise anyone.

Francisco Navarro <fxnavarro@...> wrote:

In a collapse like this I think there's no one thing or person to blame, but
rather a few, in my opinion.

First, the lack of passion on the team. For me, there are too many stoics on
this team, guys who rarely show any emotion or passion - Green, Beltran,
Glavine, Heilman, Delgado (very mellow fist pumps on double plays and that's
all) - and probably worst off all Randolph. I don't think I've ever seen a
manager go all year and never raise his arms above the belt in any gesture of
emotion. That kind of expression can motivate teams.

Second, the attitude that winning is automatic - just put on the uniform and
show up. This attitude leads to lackadaisical play - not running out balls, not
covering bases, poor judgment on attempted steals.

Third, the lack of a killer instinct (which is somewhat connected to number
one). As I mentioned in another post, the Mets lacked the ability to bury
someone when they could or to get the extra one or two insurance runs to put the
game out of reach.
Fourth, the batting and pitching coaches. If you watch the tv broadcasts,
Hernandez and Darling were full of observations on what was going wrong,
especially Hernande with the hitters. If they knew, why didn't the Mets coaches
know or share this informatio with the players?

For me, the downfall began when Maine started struggling in the second half. His
first half peformance calmed a lot of nerves about the starting rotation.
Everyone else performed as expected. He was the anchor, once he started
faltering, the ship began to sink. Not that the collapse was his fault. instead,
it points the finger at management (Minaya) for not putting together a solid
rotation. That was the biggest concern at the beginning of the year, and it was
a concern at the end.



To: MetsFanzUnited@...: brent.horowitz@...: Sun, 30
Sep 2007 21:05:35 -0400Subject: Re: [Mets Fanz United] Now What? Who's to Blame?

Mets problem down the stretch was Castillo and Gotay has liabilities although I
think he will become a very good 2nd Baseman. Bannister fatherplayed for KC so
it was a good move...Young Bannister felt at home in asmaller enviroment. That
helped him as a ballplayer. Do I wish the Metswould have had Bannister yes, as
opposed to Pelfry or Humber pitching year. Delgado doesn't fit the Mets very
well and that may lead to some possibletrades during the off season. Maybee
Toronto my be interested. Mets shouldhigh a coach to have Milledge learn to play
Right field. Milledge in a firstseason can hit .280 and 25 homeruns will make
people happy. The Mets can pull off trades this year , they have tradable
players inDelgado...Heilman and others.Mets can take some risks..I think that If
theMets can't get a top line starter..They can get Randy Wolf always good atshea
or Jason Jennings who can pitch in ballparks that are hitters ballparksI think
the Mets biggest mistake was last year
Xavier Nady was a goodchemestry ball player and fit well with the
clubBrent-------Original Message------- From: Bubba11368 Date: 9/30/2007 6:53:17
PM To: MetsFanzUnited Subject: [Mets Fanz United] Now What? Who's to Blame? This
is the first time that the Mets did not come out to greet the fans ashas been
the tradition, basically to say thanks for support ect. There seemsto be a new
brand of booing at Shea The Fans start screeming "Lets GoYankees" when the Mets
are doing bad and "Yankees Suck" when the Mets aredoing good it's a bit amuzing.
I do not know if Banister was pitching forthe Mets today if they would have won
or not but maybe if he were still herethis game would have not been needed in
the first place, old Stars justflikering out that's the main cause of what
happened in 2007. Youth inKasmir and Banister may have gotten their leg over the
fence. I don't careif Castillo is better with his glove than Gotay, Gonzales and
Lastingsshould have got more playing time when
they were playing the team had moreenergy and was winning. Delgado broke his
hand today I hope he's ok and Ihope he goes back to an American Leauge team next
year as a DH, most ofthese worn out veterans need to be moved out or play back
up roles toyounger everyday players. Not only that team in the Bronx but most of
theteams who make the play offs including one of the two now bidding for theone
day play off have a good mixture of Veterans and Youth and use the Youthto win.
The Mets took there youth and traded it to other teams and who everwas left
stayed hidden in the closet. Only Reyes and Wright played on aneveryday basis
but that was not enough. Banister's numbers were equil toAndy Petit and that was
on a bad team can you imagine if he still was a Met?Andy Petit won a game the
other day and the score was 11-10 I don't know ofBanister getting a 10 run
support with the Royals. This last week looked asthough it were being managed by
Joe Torre via 2004, just watch as
theTitanic sinks. The Mets have a good farm system and they should look atthose
kids seriously Next year plus for those of us who follow the BrooklynCyclones it
would be nice to see a couple of our guys in there winning on abig leauge level.
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