glavine isnt done just yet and neither is el duque, but they need to be let go.
delgado should be trade bait. mets should've went after zambrano and bronson
arroyo. i would love for them to trade for fausto carmona from the indians or
jeff francis from the rockies.

Brent Horowitz <brent.horowitz@...> wrote: Thank goodness I
didn't watch the whole game and had to work today. Frankly
they did so poorly they were too lax...This is a managers fault. People like
Willie in this city but he deserves some of the fault. Glavine will never be
a Met in my heart after this performance. Maybee his worst of the season,
guess he really wants out of New York now. Mets can't sign Glavine after
this.. A lot of people are saying that Bartolo Colon is the free agent the
Mets will sign this winter. Mets have a bit of money to spend with Green out
and Glavine out of the picture. Frankly I don't know how old El Duque is,
but frankly yet another pitcher that the Mets need to let go.. Mets need to
go with a rotation of Zambrano/Colon/Pedro/Maine and Perez....Frankly the
Mets have some other choices. Randy Wolf has always pitched well at Shea,
and while a risk he will come at a low price.

Randolph's big fault with with handling of Heilman and Mota. Heilman can go
else where and is tradable.

I have to say the as much as it Willie fault its also the pitching coach..
Maine is the only one to show real improvement...If Pedro saw a problem with
Mota on Televison the question is why didn't the pitching coach now. Maybee
Pedro should be the pitching coach... I love my mets...but clearly the Mets
under performed and were more concerned with records than wins.

Positives for this year...David Wright,John Maine, Carlos Beltran, Ramon
Castro

Negatives for the year...Jose Reyes (he used to kill the Phillies, and
really ran them out of innings this year. Mota, Heilman, Delgado..

Brent

ORiginal Message-------

From: ginosincity06

Date: 09/28/07 14:46:44

To: MetsFanzUnited@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Mets Fanz United] Re: Very Sad

To all New York Mets fans...Now is not the time to start abandoning

Our team... Now more than ever we need to rally behind this team and

Hopefully with some luck our team can pull this off...Once we get

Into the playoffs. We can wipe the slate clean...

As far as personal moves during the off season... I think the Mets

Should definitely bring back Moises Alou...As far as Glavine is

Concerned. I think its time to part with Tommy...I like a lot as

Pitcher... But does not give you enough innings anymore...Which has

Proven to burn out our bullpen. I agree that we definitely need some

Major improvement in the bullpen and a top line starter...

I'll be at the game tonight rooting the Mets onto the playoffs..

Lets Go Mets!!!

--- In MetsFanzUnited@yahoogroups.com, jimmy brash

<illtownfiend@...> wrote:

>

> I said earlier this year in an email to this group that the mets

Should trade for some starting pitching. I said and still think that

Carlos zambrano would be a good fit for the mets...we are all

Misssing Brian bannister right now. The kid went to Kansas city and

Found his groove. The mest were my pic to represent the nl in the

Show, but now I don't know if they'll make it past the first round,

Especially if they finish the season tied or a game behind the

Phillies.

>

> Brent Horowitz <brent.horowitz@...> wrote: The fact is

The Bullpen is just awful...and the starters aren't able to go

> innings. Castillo is not old, but hurt...the problem for the Mets

Is really

> not Castillo's play. The problem is the bullpen. And some of the

Starting

> pitching performances.

>

> They went to a 6 man rotation which was a mistake and that is

Randolph's

> fault..This is primarily to help Pedro but frankly...its hurt the

Team.

>

> I like Willie but he has done a poor job this year handling the

Bullpen.

> While Castillo is a number 2 type hitter.Mets success has been

With Deluca

> hitting behind Reyes. Deluca is a more respected hitter than

Castillo, and

> with 2 strikes Castillo is worthless...since his main weapon is

Bunting.

> Mets need to have him in the 8 hole.

>

> Mets need starting pitching and relief pitching badly next year..

I would

> say the Mets need to trade or release..Mota, Heilman, and others

In the

> bullpen. I only have hope for Feliciano and Wagner for next year.

I think

> Shoenweiss has shown enough progress to stay plus he is under

Contract.

> Everyone must go...the mets Bullpen has pitched way to many

Innings this

> year, and that is Glavine's fault. Glavine should not be given the

Option..

> I know he has gone on several good runs this year..but the Mets

Need to

> spend the money this year.

>

> I just don't see this Mets team as having enough to go the

distance this

> time , even if they do make the playoffs. Loosing 3 straight to

Washington

> is unexceptable at home. Mets should have more wins than this with

this

> structure.

>

> I think Milledge has a world of potential, but he has to get

serious about

> weight training and building up his strength. Someone needs to

coach him how

> to play the outfield..he looks lost. The Mets are incredibly

stupid, since

> they know Beltran plays Center so why didn't he play right in the

Minors

> before this season.

>

> Mets have to make a big decision about Alou...there isn't a lot of

Left

> fielders out there....but he is too much of a liability

defensively to play

> out there despite his hitting. The Mets could sign him to play as

a DH

> against American league teams; The Chavez rotation really hasn't

worked well

> . Mets have shown they need pitching badly....

>

> How many Mets fans would do Oswalt for Milledge straight up right

now.

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

> From: Bubba

>

> Date: 9/28/2007 4:02:16 AM

>

> To: MetsFanzUnited@yahoogroups.com

>

> Subject: [Mets Fanz United] Very Sad

>

> I was at the game Wednesday when they blew a 6-0 lead and when

your

>

> Actually at a game you see things that you don't on TV. Baseball

is a

>

> Game of feet and inches and the Mets were getting no breaks what

so

>

> Ever. I liked Luis Castillo but I really believe he has gotten to

old

>

> To play 2nd base anymore. I think Willie pulled the pitcher out

too

>

> Soon but when he did I was surprised that they did not load up the

>

> Bases to set up the double play if they did that then Castillo

would

>

> Have had to be in a better spot to catch the ball. Castillo always

>

> Just barely misses getting to the ball and that effects the

pitching

>

> The dwindling of Mets can be traced to Castillo as the everyday

second

>

> Baseman, he just never gets there in time to make the plays, hey I

was

>

> On of the biggest Castillo fans when he came over but he's just

not

>

> Doing it and I am so shocked that Willie was a second baseman and

he

>

> Of all people should see this. Castillo is no where as bad as Mo

>

> Vaughn but just as effective as a second baseman as Mo Vaughn was

a

>

> First baseman. I was fooled everyone was fooled they got three

games

>

> To fix it or go home. Another thing is that Shea was empty I can't

go

>

> Because I have to work but I hope the fans all show up and route

for

>

> The team for better or worse because The Mets are basically a good

>

> Team and with all these injuries they are fatigued if Valatin

wasn't

>

> Hurt Castillo would not be there to miss all those balls, having

>

> Partial rosters all year long has finally caught up to them. The

Red

>

> Sox lost more of a lead than the Mets it's just that they had such

a

>

> Big lead nobody really notices it. The Red Sox gave up twelve

games

>

> The Mets only gave up seven and it's still not over.

>

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