erkelly2 wrote:
> I am trying to find the dates of death of Charles Wallace and Dick Lord.
>
> The Social Security Death Index has too many names similar to the above to be
definitive.
>
> Purpose: adding them to Motorsport Memorial.
>
> Dick was a good friend and customer at Motor Imports, Ltd., in Rockville.  He
bought my Fairthorpe Electron and ran it is several races.
>
> Charles Wallace was my driving school instructor at Marlboro in 1956-57.
>
> Rick Kelly
> erkelly2@...
> Oklahoma City
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I am trying to find the dates of death of Charles Wallace and Dick Lord.

The Social Security Death Index has too many names similar to the above to be
definitive.

Purpose: adding them to Motorsport Memorial.

Dick was a good friend and customer at Motor Imports, Ltd., in Rockville.  He
bought my Fairthorpe Electron and ran it is several races.

Charles Wallace was my driving school instructor at Marlboro in 1956-57.

Rick Kelly
erkelly2@...
Oklahoma City

Names that bring memories :>)

----- Original Message -----
From: "larryj300" <larryj300@...>
To: <Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: [Marlboro_Raceway] Re: 1955 Marlboro MG Races


> Mike,
> I don't have a program or complete results, but here is the Washington
> Post article from Monday Oct. 31, 1955. Hope this helps.
>
> Larry Jendras Jr.
> Sykesville, Md.
>
>
> BLACK WINS AT MARLBORO
> Oct. 30 -- Favorite Duncan Black of Parkton, Md. won the 25 lap
> Congressional Cup feature race in the National MG races at the Marlboro
> Motor Raceway here this afternoon.
> Driving a Lester-MG, Black took the lead on the first lap as he passed
> Suzy Dietrich, Sandusky, Ohio, the only woman driver in the race, on the
> first turn. David Ash of Stony Point, N.Y. was second and Dick Thompson of
> Washington, D.C. third.
> Two drivers won races for the first time in the Novice divison. Howard
> Tolley of Arlington, Va. driving a TD-MK II, won a 10 lap race and Stan
> Smilow of White Plains won the second 10 lap grind.
> In the special ladies race, Mrs. Dietrich won the six lap run. Second was
> Mrs. Fred Windridge of Arlington and third was Mrs. Nell Baptista of
> Hyattsville, Md.
> Other winners include: Dr. Louis Winkler, Bethlehem, Pa. for Formula 3
> cars; Duncan Black, Modified; Steve Spitler, Bethesda, Class FC and FD;
> Frank Baptista, Hyattsville, Class GA and GB and Lex Dupont, Wilmington,
> De. Formula 3's.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com, "mgamike" <dohc59@...> wrote:
>>
>> Definitely the 30th October race is what I'm looking for, program or
>> results anyone?
>>
>> regards, Michael
>>
>>
>> --- In Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com, scshmoo@ wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >
>> > I have the first race at Marlboro as
>> >
>> > 22 May 1955
>> >
>> > then
>> >
>> > 10 July 1955
>> >
>> > then
>> >
>> > 30 Oct 1955 which was an all MG affair
>> >
>> > regards,
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > Kauai, Hawaii
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Mike,
  I don't have a program or complete results, but here is the Washington Post
article from Monday Oct. 31, 1955. Hope this helps.

Larry Jendras Jr.
Sykesville, Md.


BLACK WINS AT MARLBORO
Oct. 30 -- Favorite Duncan Black of Parkton, Md. won the 25 lap Congressional
Cup feature race in the National MG races at the Marlboro Motor Raceway here
this afternoon.
  Driving a Lester-MG, Black took the lead on the first lap as he passed Suzy
Dietrich, Sandusky, Ohio, the only woman driver in the race, on the first turn.
David Ash of Stony Point, N.Y. was second and Dick Thompson of Washington, D.C.
third.
  Two drivers won races for the first time in the Novice divison. Howard Tolley
of Arlington, Va. driving a TD-MK II, won a 10 lap race and Stan Smilow of White
Plains won the second 10 lap grind.
  In the special ladies race, Mrs. Dietrich won the six lap run. Second was Mrs.
Fred Windridge of Arlington and third was Mrs. Nell Baptista of Hyattsville, Md.
  Other winners include: Dr. Louis Winkler, Bethlehem, Pa. for Formula 3 cars;
Duncan Black, Modified; Steve Spitler, Bethesda, Class FC and FD; Frank
Baptista, Hyattsville, Class GA and GB and Lex Dupont, Wilmington, De. Formula
3's.




--- In Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com, "mgamike" <dohc59@...> wrote:
>
> Definitely the 30th October race is what I'm looking for, program or results
anyone?
>
> regards, Michael
>
>
> --- In Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com, scshmoo@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I have the first race at Marlboro as
> >
> > 22 May 1955
> >
> > then
> >
> > 10 July 1955
> >
> > then
> >
> > 30 Oct 1955 which was an all MG affair
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > David
> >
> > Kauai, Hawaii
> >
>

Aloha Michael,

It was an MGCC affair with help from Manhattan Auto.

Regards,

David

Kauai, Hawaii

mgamike wrote:

> Definitely the 30th October race is what I'm looking for, program or results
anyone?
>
> regards, Michael
>
> --- In Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com, scshmoo@... wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I have the first race at Marlboro as
> >
> > 22 May 1955
> >
> > then
> >
> > 10 July 1955
> >
> > then
> >
> > 30 Oct 1955 which was an all MG affair
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > David
> >
> > Kauai, Hawaii
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Definitely the 30th October race is what I'm looking for, program or results
anyone?

regards, Michael


--- In Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com, scshmoo@... wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I have the first race at Marlboro as
>
> 22 May 1955
>
> then
>
> 10 July 1955
>
> then
>
> 30 Oct 1955 which was an all MG affair
>
> regards,
>
> David
>
> Kauai, Hawaii
>

For that matter, I used to visit the Navy "temporary" buildings along
Constitution Ave on the mall in the 60s, where the Viet Nam memorial is
today. Remarkably, many locals thought they were WWII temporary
buildings. Nope! WWI!

Cheers, Bob
btw - In '67 when I flew an F-4J from Alameda to 'Nam, my first stop was
Barber's Point ... too good a chunk of land along the Hawaiian sea shore
to survive Clinton's developer buddies.

Cheers, Bob

scshmoo@... wrote:
> Aloha Bob,
>
> And Gravely Point is now Crystal City and all the old temporary US Army
buildings
> are torn down.
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
> Kauai, Hawaii
>
> Bob wrote:
>
>
>> Farlington has almost been forgotten. LOTs of racers lived there, but as
>> I95 grows, it keeps disappearing.
>>
>> scshmoo@... wrote:
>>
>>> Aloha Bob,
>>>
>>> In April 1944 Howard Hughes and Jack Frye flew the prototype Model 49 from
>>> Burbank to National. They set a transcontinental record time. We were living
in
>>> Fairlington because my father was stationed at Gravely Point. I remember
being
>>> taken out to watch as the Constellation circled DC before landing.
>>>
>>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Aloha Bob,

And Gravely Point is now Crystal City and all the old temporary US Army
buildings
are torn down.

Regards,

David

Kauai, Hawaii

Bob wrote:

> Farlington has almost been forgotten. LOTs of racers lived there, but as
> I95 grows, it keeps disappearing.
>
> scshmoo@... wrote:
> > Aloha Bob,
> >
> > In April 1944 Howard Hughes and Jack Frye flew the prototype Model 49 from
> > Burbank to National. They set a transcontinental record time. We were living
in
> > Fairlington because my father was stationed at Gravely Point. I remember
being
> > taken out to watch as the Constellation circled DC before landing.
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Bob,

I saw a TAT Tri Motor in barn California a few years ago. It was not air worthy.
Bill Harrah made a Tri Motor air worthy and it was used in Grand Canyon tours
for some time. There is another flyable Tri Motor in LA.

regards,

david
Kauai, Hawaii

Bob wrote:

> Still have them and are planning on adding a L1011. So far, all old TWA
> planes. I hope they can find a Ford Trimotor that they started with as TAT.
>
> Cheers, Bob
>
> scshmoo@... wrote:
> > Aloha Bob,
> >
> > Is this the 1049 in the hangar at the old MKC? I toured the hangar in
January
> > 2007 and the Constellation was nearly finished at that time. I was able to
enter
> > the cabin and cockpit which remain as they were when it was in service. They
> > also have a DC3 and a couple of other ex TWA planes that former A&P TWA
> > employees were working on.
> >
> > Flying on a Connie at night was always exciting as the exhaust flames from
the
> > R3350s flowed back over the wing and it looked like the wings were on fire.
> >
> > David
> > Kauai, Hawaii
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On another set of groups, we got into the Lockheed Constellation history.
Many
> >> of you recall when Connies were the queens of the skies, winging non-stop
> >> across the country out of National. Then just a few years later, they got
> >> consigned to plebeian duties on the Eastern Shuttle. Just thought a lot of
you
> >> would enjoy this bit of lore and trivia.
> >>
> >> We have a flying Connie here in KC, quite appropriate as Howard Hughes
> >> micro-managed the development of the airplane for his TWA use. One of the
last
> >> things their maintenance people did was lovingly repaint the bird in its
last
> >> TWA colors. They make very little of the high octane 145 octane gas the
> >> engines need, and it's more expensive than racing gas, so when they fly,
they
> >> have to use affordable low octane and really back off on speed and power
> >> settings. Can't carry passengers any more as the lawyers have made
insurance
> >> so pricey.
> >> http://ima
> >>
es.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.conniesurvivors.com/pictures/N6937C-Jun00\
-1a.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.conniesurvivors.com/1-twa_75th_anniversary.htm&usg=\
__ZAVBzoxWCaPXTC4JhQNBXHEJhnk=&h=535&w=800&sz=71&hl=en&start=21&tbnid=t0peNGcTV_\
_YkM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkansas%2Bcity%2Bconnie%26gbv>>
> >> Gotta wend through the thread, and hope you can make sense of it.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Bob
> >> ----------------------
> >> Glad someone else got the chance to experience the Connie shuttles.
> >>
> >> fyi, Bob Welch who was very quick and competitive in his own Brabham BT-29
FB,
> >> and never came to grips with production cars for Group 44, was an Eastern
> >> Captain on that shuttle. Mostly in the Electra though. Lanky was a mechanic
on
> >> the Presidential Connie in its day.
> >>
> >> I always felt that the Connie was the true, sleek clipper ship of the
period
> >> when long range airliners clearly deserved the LINER part of their name.
Its
> >> competition, the Douglas DC-7C (tried to be called the "Seven Seas" by the
> >> airlines) and the B-29 derived B377 Stratocruiser, (Pan Am often named them
> >> after their famed trans oceanic pre-war flying boats) were more like the
> >> present ponderous cruse ships while the Connies always reminded me of the
> >> sleek Cutty Sark big masted clipper ships.
> >>
> >> To meander into literature, Ernest K. Gann loved fine planes and fine
ships,
> >> and wrote two of the best books, made into good movies. Twilight for the
Gods
> >> was about a fine sailing vessel plying the Pacific when steam had long
taken
> >> over, and High and the Mighty also deals with an old hand fighting the
odds,
> >> this time in a crippled trans Pacific airliner. Good to re-read.
> >>
> >> And for a bit more on moving planes on rails.
> >> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/
> >>
faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/jdavis/railroad/image/C1L2-737-900.jpg&imgrefurl=http:\
//faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/jdavis/railroad/boeing.htm&usg=__cXe6ad5DF9gCCrbt8Sk\
2Y2plMkc=&h=481&w=600&sz=146&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=q6dr8eZxL4UIoM:&tbnh=108&t\
bnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3D737%2Btrain%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1
> >>
> >> Cheers, Bob
> >>
> >> Russ Noblett wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Great info Bob—thanks!!!I have fond memories of being a passenger several
> >>> times in the middle 60’s on the LGA—DCA Connie Shuttle.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> Subject: Re: [ATR Ltd.]Sic tempus gloria, Connie [6 Attachments]
> >>>
> >>> I first flew in a TWA 1149 Super G Connie from LA to NYC just before
> >>> Thanksgiving, '58 and it was their flagship service, with the cutest
stews,
> >>> good meals, and a lace doily on the head rests. One class, high class in
all
> >>> the plane.
> >>>
> >>> Jets were coming in, and TWA had been slow in ordering them. I recall it
as
> >>> a non-stop, 7 hour flight. Transferred to a commuter airline Convair, and
> >>> flew up to Poughkeepsie. Near there I picked up a Funk, an 85 hp two
seater
> >>> that an airline pilot friend had bought, and flew it back to San Diego ...
> >>> slow and low against the COLD winds. It took four days of dawn to dusk
> >>> flying in an unheated airplane, eating tiny airport flight shack machine
> >>> stale sandwiches, crackers and thermos soup and coffee, huddled in a
> >>> sleeping bag on line shack couches. Quite a difference from my way out.
> >>>
> >>> Later flew Connies a few times, returning from San Diego to San Antonio
when
> >>> I was a high school kid delivering cars for another friend. Were used then
> >>> by Trans Texas, Capitol and Braniff IIRC as late afternoon Sunday
> >>> businessman's flights.
> >>>
> >>> Just a few years later in the late 60s, Eastern used now tired Connies
along
> >>> with Electras (also Lockheeds) for their DC to NYC shuttles. Just like a
> >>> bus, with terminals at both ends; National and La Guardia; people stood in
> >>> line; filled a plane; flew about an hour; filed out at the other end.
> >>>
> >>> They got replaced by then aging smaller NYAir DC-9-10s and 20s, spiffed up
> >>> with an apple logo on the tail, then Trump's $49 airlines, serving coffee,
> >>> bagels, apple juice and a shiny red apple!
> >>>
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://michaelmanning.tv/blog/uploaded_
> >>>
images/2071679033_16d007b29b-759651.jpg&imgrefurl=http://michaelmanning.tv/blog/
> >>>
2008/10/sunset-for-east-coast-shuttle.html&usg=__e2u9iCnhMyAn8ATvhNORKLr7X7M=&h=\
333&w=500&sz=34&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=a7AbkwFiuDnIe
> >>>
M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deastern%2Bshuttle%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%
> >>> 26sa%3DG
> >>>
> >>> kitbru@... wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Thank goodness we have our own. I never flew on one but Kittie did in
1959
> >>>> to New York on her way to Germany for an AFS summer program. I wish they
> >>>> could afford to fly it more often, it is a beautiful airplane. Maybe why
> >>>> Howard liked it so much.
> >>>> Bruce
> >>>> In a message dated 9/10/2009 5:51:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >>>> Lotusman@... writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>      Very cool.  Thanks.  What a great sequence of photos.
> >>>>      John
> >>>>
> >>>>           ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>           From: Bob
> >>>>           To: atr
> >>>>           Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:48 PM
> >>>>           Subject: [ATR Ltd.] Fw: Arrival of the Connie
> >>>>           Craig wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>                Interesting journey for a beautiful bird.
> >>>>                ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>
> >>>>                          Subject: Arrival of the
> >>>>                          Connie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >                                    The Connie is
> >                                    Coming!!!  It
> >                                    will arrive
> >                                    tomorrow,
> >                                    Friday, Sept 4
> >                                    around 10:30 am
> >                                    and will be on
> >                                    view all day!
> >                                    To check on the
> >                                    Connie’s
> >                                    progress across
> >                                    America go to
> >                                    this website by
> >                                    Bob
> >                                    Bogashhttp://www.rbogash.
> >                                    com/Connie/connie-RME-
> >                                    SEA.html
> >
> >
> >>>>                     ------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> It's curious that a once high flying, flagship of the skies, takes a
> >>> twilight journey bumping over rural roads in America's pastoral western
farm
> >>> lands. Especially since much larger sections of Boeing jets are built in
> >>> pieces all over the country, and transported by rail, also to Washington,
> >>> for final assembly.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers, Bob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Steve,

I have the first race at Marlboro as

22 May 1955

then

10 July 1955

then

30 Oct 1955 which was an all MG affair

regards,

David

Kauai, Hawaii

Stephen Lloyd wrote:

> Michael,While the DC Region doesn't have the program from that event, I may be
   able to copy the Straightpipe report. Was this the first race in May of 1955,
   or a later '55 event? As far as I know, most of the Region's earliest races
   included an all-MG race at each meeting. As you probably know, that continued
   into the early 1960s.Steve

   --- On Tue, 10/20/09, mgamike <dohc59@...> wrote:


        From: mgamike <dohc59@...>
        Subject: [Marlboro_Raceway] 1955 Marlboro MG Races
        To: Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 11:36 AM

        Does anyone out there possibly have this program that they can copy
        or scan for me?

        Thanks, Michael


>
>
>

Farlington has almost been forgotten. LOTs of racers lived there, but as
I95 grows, it keeps disappearing.

scshmoo@... wrote:
> Aloha Bob,
>
> In April 1944 Howard Hughes and Jack Frye flew the prototype Model 49 from
> Burbank to National. They set a transcontinental record time. We were living
in
> Fairlington because my father was stationed at Gravely Point. I remember being
> taken out to watch as the Constellation circled DC before landing.
>

Still have them and are planning on adding a L1011. So far, all old TWA
planes. I hope they can find a Ford Trimotor that they started with as TAT.

Cheers, Bob

scshmoo@... wrote:
> Aloha Bob,
>
> Is this the 1049 in the hangar at the old MKC? I toured the hangar in January
> 2007 and the Constellation was nearly finished at that time. I was able to
enter
> the cabin and cockpit which remain as they were when it was in service. They
> also have a DC3 and a couple of other ex TWA planes that former A&P TWA
> employees were working on.
>
> Flying on a Connie at night was always exciting as the exhaust flames from the
> R3350s flowed back over the wing and it looked like the wings were on fire.
>
> David
> Kauai, Hawaii
>
> Bob wrote:
>
>
>> On another set of groups, we got into the Lockheed Constellation history.
Many
>> of you recall when Connies were the queens of the skies, winging non-stop
>> across the country out of National. Then just a few years later, they got
>> consigned to plebeian duties on the Eastern Shuttle. Just thought a lot of
you
>> would enjoy this bit of lore and trivia.
>>
>> We have a flying Connie here in KC, quite appropriate as Howard Hughes
>> micro-managed the development of the airplane for his TWA use. One of the
last
>> things their maintenance people did was lovingly repaint the bird in its last
>> TWA colors. They make very little of the high octane 145 octane gas the
>> engines need, and it's more expensive than racing gas, so when they fly, they
>> have to use affordable low octane and really back off on speed and power
>> settings. Can't carry passengers any more as the lawyers have made insurance
>> so pricey.
>> http://ima
>>
es.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.conniesurvivors.com/pictures/N6937C-Jun00\
-1a.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.conniesurvivors.com/1-twa_75th_anniversary.htm&usg=\
__ZAVBzoxWCaPXTC4JhQNBXHEJhnk=&h=535&w=800&sz=71&hl=en&start=21&tbnid=t0peNGcTV_\
_YkM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkansas%2Bcity%2Bconnie%26gbv%3D2%26hl%\
3Den%26sa%3DG
>>
>> Gotta wend through the thread, and hope you can make sense of it.
>>
>> Cheers, Bob
>> ----------------------
>> Glad someone else got the chance to experience the Connie shuttles.
>>
>> fyi, Bob Welch who was very quick and competitive in his own Brabham BT-29
FB,
>> and never came to grips with production cars for Group 44, was an Eastern
>> Captain on that shuttle. Mostly in the Electra though. Lanky was a mechanic
on
>> the Presidential Connie in its day.
>>
>> I always felt that the Connie was the true, sleek clipper ship of the period
>> when long range airliners clearly deserved the LINER part of their name. Its
>> competition, the Douglas DC-7C (tried to be called the "Seven Seas" by the
>> airlines) and the B-29 derived B377 Stratocruiser, (Pan Am often named them
>> after their famed trans oceanic pre-war flying boats) were more like the
>> present ponderous cruse ships while the Connies always reminded me of the
>> sleek Cutty Sark big masted clipper ships.
>>
>> To meander into literature, Ernest K. Gann loved fine planes and fine ships,
>> and wrote two of the best books, made into good movies. Twilight for the Gods
>> was about a fine sailing vessel plying the Pacific when steam had long taken
>> over, and High and the Mighty also deals with an old hand fighting the odds,
>> this time in a crippled trans Pacific airliner. Good to re-read.
>>
>> And for a bit more on moving planes on rails.
>> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/
>>
faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/jdavis/railroad/image/C1L2-737-900.jpg&imgrefurl=http:\
//faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/jdavis/railroad/boeing.htm&usg=__cXe6ad5DF9gCCrbt8Sk\
2Y2plMkc=&h=481&w=600&sz=146&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=q6dr8eZxL4UIoM:&tbnh=108&t\
bnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3D737%2Btrain%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1
>>
>> Cheers, Bob
>>
>> Russ Noblett wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Great info Bob—thanks!!!I have fond memories of being a passenger several
>>> times in the middle 60’s on the LGA—DCA Connie Shuttle.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Subject: Re: [ATR Ltd.]Sic tempus gloria, Connie [6 Attachments]
>>>
>>> I first flew in a TWA 1149 Super G Connie from LA to NYC just before
>>> Thanksgiving, '58 and it was their flagship service, with the cutest stews,
>>> good meals, and a lace doily on the head rests. One class, high class in all
>>> the plane.
>>>
>>> Jets were coming in, and TWA had been slow in ordering them. I recall it as
>>> a non-stop, 7 hour flight. Transferred to a commuter airline Convair, and
>>> flew up to Poughkeepsie. Near there I picked up a Funk, an 85 hp two seater
>>> that an airline pilot friend had bought, and flew it back to San Diego ...
>>> slow and low against the COLD winds. It took four days of dawn to dusk
>>> flying in an unheated airplane, eating tiny airport flight shack machine
>>> stale sandwiches, crackers and thermos soup and coffee, huddled in a
>>> sleeping bag on line shack couches. Quite a difference from my way out.
>>>
>>> Later flew Connies a few times, returning from San Diego to San Antonio when
>>> I was a high school kid delivering cars for another friend. Were used then
>>> by Trans Texas, Capitol and Braniff IIRC as late afternoon Sunday
>>> businessman's flights.
>>>
>>> Just a few years later in the late 60s, Eastern used now tired Connies along
>>> with Electras (also Lockheeds) for their DC to NYC shuttles. Just like a
>>> bus, with terminals at both ends; National and La Guardia; people stood in
>>> line; filled a plane; flew about an hour; filed out at the other end.
>>>
>>> They got replaced by then aging smaller NYAir DC-9-10s and 20s, spiffed up
>>> with an apple logo on the tail, then Trump's $49 airlines, serving coffee,
>>> bagels, apple juice and a shiny red apple!
>>>
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://michaelmanning.tv/blog/uploaded_
>>>
images/2071679033_16d007b29b-759651.jpg&imgrefurl=http://michaelmanning.tv/blog/
>>>
2008/10/sunset-for-east-coast-shuttle.html&usg=__e2u9iCnhMyAn8ATvhNORKLr7X7M=&h=\
333&w=500&sz=34&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=a7AbkwFiuDnIe
>>>
M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deastern%2Bshuttle%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%
>>> 26sa%3DG
>>>
>>> kitbru@... wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank goodness we have our own. I never flew on one but Kittie did in 1959
>>>> to New York on her way to Germany for an AFS summer program. I wish they
>>>> could afford to fly it more often, it is a beautiful airplane. Maybe why
>>>> Howard liked it so much.
>>>> Bruce
>>>> In a message dated 9/10/2009 5:51:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>> Lotusman@... writes:
>>>>
>>>>      Very cool.  Thanks.  What a great sequence of photos.
>>>>      John
>>>>
>>>>           ----- Original Message -----
>>>>           From: Bob
>>>>           To: atr
>>>>           Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:48 PM
>>>>           Subject: [ATR Ltd.] Fw: Arrival of the Connie
>>>>           Craig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                Interesting journey for a beautiful bird.
>>>>                ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>                          Subject: Arrival of the
>>>>                          Connie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>                                    The Connie is
>                                    Coming!!!  It
>                                    will arrive
>                                    tomorrow,
>                                    Friday, Sept 4
>                                    around 10:30 am
>                                    and will be on
>                                    view all day!
>                                    To check on the
>                                    Connie’s
>                                    progress across
>                                    America go to
>                                    this website by
>                                    Bob
>                                    Bogashhttp://www.rbogash.
>                                    com/Connie/connie-RME-
>                                    SEA.html
>
>
>>>>                     ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It's curious that a once high flying, flagship of the skies, takes a
>>> twilight journey bumping over rural roads in America's pastoral western farm
>>> lands. Especially since much larger sections of Boeing jets are built in
>>> pieces all over the country, and transported by rail, also to Washington,
>>> for final assembly.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Bob
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Aloha Bob,

In April 1944 Howard Hughes and Jack Frye flew the prototype Model 49 from
Burbank to National. They set a transcontinental record time. We were living in
Fairlington because my father was stationed at Gravely Point. I remember being
taken out to watch as the Constellation circled DC before landing.

David
Kauai, Hawaii

Bob wrote:

> On another set of groups, we got into the Lockheed Constellation history. Many
> of you recall when Connies were the queens of the skies, winging non-stop
> across the country out of National. Then just a few years later, they got
> consigned to plebeian duties on the Eastern Shuttle. Just thought a lot of you
> would enjoy this bit of lore and trivia.
>
> We have a flying Connie here in KC, quite appropriate as Howard Hughes
> micro-managed the development of the airplane for his TWA use. One of the last
> things their maintenance people did was lovingly repaint the bird in its last
> TWA colors. They make very little of the high octane 145 octane gas the
> engines need, and it's more expensive than racing gas, so when they fly, they
> have to use affordable low octane and really back off on speed and power
> settings. Can't carry passengers any more as the lawyers have made insurance
> so pricey.
> http://ima
>
es.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.conniesurvivors.com/pictures/N6937C-Jun00\
-1a.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.conniesurvivors.com/1-twa_75th_anniversary.htm&usg=\
__ZAVBzoxWCaPXTC4JhQNBXHEJhnk=&h=535&w=800&sz=71&hl=en&start=21&tbnid=t0peNGcTV_\
_YkM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkansas%2Bcity%2Bconnie%26gbv%3D2%26hl%\
3Den%26sa%3DG
>
> Gotta wend through the thread, and hope you can make sense of it.
>
> Cheers, Bob
> ----------------------
> Glad someone else got the chance to experience the Connie shuttles.
>
> fyi, Bob Welch who was very quick and competitive in his own Brabham BT-29 FB,
> and never came to grips with production cars for Group 44, was an Eastern
> Captain on that shuttle. Mostly in the Electra though. Lanky was a mechanic on
> the Presidential Connie in its day.
>
> I always felt that the Connie was the true, sleek clipper ship of the period
> when long range airliners clearly deserved the LINER part of their name. Its
> competition, the Douglas DC-7C (tried to be called the "Seven Seas" by the
> airlines) and the B-29 derived B377 Stratocruiser, (Pan Am often named them
> after their famed trans oceanic pre-war flying boats) were more like the
> present ponderous cruse ships while the Connies always reminded me of the
> sleek Cutty Sark big masted clipper ships.
>
> To meander into literature, Ernest K. Gann loved fine planes and fine ships,
> and wrote two of the best books, made into good movies. Twilight for the Gods
> was about a fine sailing vessel plying the Pacific when steam had long taken
> over, and High and the Mighty also deals with an old hand fighting the odds,
> this time in a crippled trans Pacific airliner. Good to re-read.
>
> And for a bit more on moving planes on rails.
> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/
>
faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/jdavis/railroad/image/C1L2-737-900.jpg&imgrefurl=http:\
//faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/jdavis/railroad/boeing.htm&usg=__cXe6ad5DF9gCCrbt8Sk\
2Y2plMkc=&h=481&w=600&sz=146&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=q6dr8eZxL4UIoM:&tbnh=108&t\
bnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3D737%2Btrain%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1
>
> Cheers, Bob
>
> Russ Noblett wrote:
>
>> Great info Bob—thanks!!!I have fond memories of being a passenger several
>> times in the middle 60’s on the LGA—DCA Connie Shuttle.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Subject: Re: [ATR Ltd.]Sic tempus gloria, Connie [6 Attachments]
>>
>> I first flew in a TWA 1149 Super G Connie from LA to NYC just before
>> Thanksgiving, '58 and it was their flagship service, with the cutest stews,
>> good meals, and a lace doily on the head rests. One class, high class in all
>> the plane.
>>
>> Jets were coming in, and TWA had been slow in ordering them. I recall it as
>> a non-stop, 7 hour flight. Transferred to a commuter airline Convair, and
>> flew up to Poughkeepsie. Near there I picked up a Funk, an 85 hp two seater
>> that an airline pilot friend had bought, and flew it back to San Diego ...
>> slow and low against the COLD winds. It took four days of dawn to dusk
>> flying in an unheated airplane, eating tiny airport flight shack machine
>> stale sandwiches, crackers and thermos soup and coffee, huddled in a
>> sleeping bag on line shack couches. Quite a difference from my way out.
>>
>> Later flew Connies a few times, returning from San Diego to San Antonio when
>> I was a high school kid delivering cars for another friend. Were used then
>> by Trans Texas, Capitol and Braniff IIRC as late afternoon Sunday
>> businessman's flights.
>>
>> Just a few years later in the late 60s, Eastern used now tired Connies along
>> with Electras (also Lockheeds) for their DC to NYC shuttles. Just like a
>> bus, with terminals at both ends; National and La Guardia; people stood in
>> line; filled a plane; flew about an hour; filed out at the other end.
>>
>> They got replaced by then aging smaller NYAir DC-9-10s and 20s, spiffed up
>> with an apple logo on the tail, then Trump's $49 airlines, serving coffee,
>> bagels, apple juice and a shiny red apple!
>>
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://michaelmanning.tv/blog/uploaded_
>>
images/2071679033_16d007b29b-759651.jpg&imgrefurl=http://michaelmanning.tv/blog/
>>
2008/10/sunset-for-east-coast-shuttle.html&usg=__e2u9iCnhMyAn8ATvhNORKLr7X7M=&h=\
333&w=500&sz=34&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=a7AbkwFiuDnIe
>> M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deastern%2Bshuttle%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%
>> 26sa%3DG
>>
>> kitbru@... wrote:
>>
>> > Thank goodness we have our own. I never flew on one but Kittie did in 1959
>> > to New York on her way to Germany for an AFS summer program. I wish they
>> > could afford to fly it more often, it is a beautiful airplane. Maybe why
>> > Howard liked it so much.
>> > Bruce
>> > In a message dated 9/10/2009 5:51:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> > Lotusman@... writes:
>> >
>> >      Very cool.  Thanks.  What a great sequence of photos.
>> >      John
>> >
>> >           ----- Original Message -----
>> >           From: Bob
>> >           To: atr
>> >           Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:48 PM
>> >           Subject: [ATR Ltd.] Fw: Arrival of the Connie
>> >           Craig wrote:
>> >
>> >                Interesting journey for a beautiful bird.
>> >                ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> >                          Subject: Arrival of the
>> >                          Connie
>> >
>> >
                                    The Connie is
                                    Coming!!!  It
                                    will arrive
                                    tomorrow,
                                    Friday, Sept 4
                                    around 10:30 am
                                    and will be on
                                    view all day!
                                    To check on the
                                    Connie’s
                                    progress across
                                    America go to
                                    this website by
                                    Bob
                                    Bogashhttp://www.rbogash.
                                    com/Connie/connie-RME-
                                    SEA.html

>> >
>> >                     ------------------------------------
>> >
>> It's curious that a once high flying, flagship of the skies, takes a
>> twilight journey bumping over rural roads in America's pastoral western farm
>> lands. Especially since much larger sections of Boeing jets are built in
>> pieces all over the country, and transported by rail, also to Washington,
>> for final assembly.
>>
>> Cheers, Bob
>>
>
>

Aloha Bob,

Is this the 1049 in the hangar at the old MKC? I toured the hangar in January
2007 and the Constellation was nearly finished at that time. I was able to enter
the cabin and cockpit which remain as they were when it was in service. They
also have a DC3 and a couple of other ex TWA planes that former A&P TWA
employees were working on.

Flying on a Connie at night was always exciting as the exhaust flames from the
R3350s flowed back over the wing and it looked like the wings were on fire.

David
Kauai, Hawaii

Bob wrote:

> On another set of groups, we got into the Lockheed Constellation history. Many
> of you recall when Connies were the queens of the skies, winging non-stop
> across the country out of National. Then just a few years later, they got
> consigned to plebeian duties on the Eastern Shuttle. Just thought a lot of you
> would enjoy this bit of lore and trivia.
>
> We have a flying Connie here in KC, quite appropriate as Howard Hughes
> micro-managed the development of the airplane for his TWA use. One of the last
> things their maintenance people did was lovingly repaint the bird in its last
> TWA colors. They make very little of the high octane 145 octane gas the
> engines need, and it's more expensive than racing gas, so when they fly, they
> have to use affordable low octane and really back off on speed and power
> settings. Can't carry passengers any more as the lawyers have made insurance
> so pricey.
> http://ima
>
es.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.conniesurvivors.com/pictures/N6937C-Jun00\
-1a.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.conniesurvivors.com/1-twa_75th_anniversary.htm&usg=\
__ZAVBzoxWCaPXTC4JhQNBXHEJhnk=&h=535&w=800&sz=71&hl=en&start=21&tbnid=t0peNGcTV_\
_YkM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkansas%2Bcity%2Bconnie%26gbv%3D2%26hl%\
3Den%26sa%3DG
>
> Gotta wend through the thread, and hope you can make sense of it.
>
> Cheers, Bob
> ----------------------
> Glad someone else got the chance to experience the Connie shuttles.
>
> fyi, Bob Welch who was very quick and competitive in his own Brabham BT-29 FB,
> and never came to grips with production cars for Group 44, was an Eastern
> Captain on that shuttle. Mostly in the Electra though. Lanky was a mechanic on
> the Presidential Connie in its day.
>
> I always felt that the Connie was the true, sleek clipper ship of the period
> when long range airliners clearly deserved the LINER part of their name. Its
> competition, the Douglas DC-7C (tried to be called the "Seven Seas" by the
> airlines) and the B-29 derived B377 Stratocruiser, (Pan Am often named them
> after their famed trans oceanic pre-war flying boats) were more like the
> present ponderous cruse ships while the Connies always reminded me of the
> sleek Cutty Sark big masted clipper ships.
>
> To meander into literature, Ernest K. Gann loved fine planes and fine ships,
> and wrote two of the best books, made into good movies. Twilight for the Gods
> was about a fine sailing vessel plying the Pacific when steam had long taken
> over, and High and the Mighty also deals with an old hand fighting the odds,
> this time in a crippled trans Pacific airliner. Good to re-read.
>
> And for a bit more on moving planes on rails.
> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/
>
faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/jdavis/railroad/image/C1L2-737-900.jpg&imgrefurl=http:\
//faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/jdavis/railroad/boeing.htm&usg=__cXe6ad5DF9gCCrbt8Sk\
2Y2plMkc=&h=481&w=600&sz=146&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=q6dr8eZxL4UIoM:&tbnh=108&t\
bnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3D737%2Btrain%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1
>
> Cheers, Bob
>
> Russ Noblett wrote:
>
>> Great info Bob—thanks!!!I have fond memories of being a passenger several
>> times in the middle 60’s on the LGA—DCA Connie Shuttle.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Subject: Re: [ATR Ltd.]Sic tempus gloria, Connie [6 Attachments]
>>
>> I first flew in a TWA 1149 Super G Connie from LA to NYC just before
>> Thanksgiving, '58 and it was their flagship service, with the cutest stews,
>> good meals, and a lace doily on the head rests. One class, high class in all
>> the plane.
>>
>> Jets were coming in, and TWA had been slow in ordering them. I recall it as
>> a non-stop, 7 hour flight. Transferred to a commuter airline Convair, and
>> flew up to Poughkeepsie. Near there I picked up a Funk, an 85 hp two seater
>> that an airline pilot friend had bought, and flew it back to San Diego ...
>> slow and low against the COLD winds. It took four days of dawn to dusk
>> flying in an unheated airplane, eating tiny airport flight shack machine
>> stale sandwiches, crackers and thermos soup and coffee, huddled in a
>> sleeping bag on line shack couches. Quite a difference from my way out.
>>
>> Later flew Connies a few times, returning from San Diego to San Antonio when
>> I was a high school kid delivering cars for another friend. Were used then
>> by Trans Texas, Capitol and Braniff IIRC as late afternoon Sunday
>> businessman's flights.
>>
>> Just a few years later in the late 60s, Eastern used now tired Connies along
>> with Electras (also Lockheeds) for their DC to NYC shuttles. Just like a
>> bus, with terminals at both ends; National and La Guardia; people stood in
>> line; filled a plane; flew about an hour; filed out at the other end.
>>
>> They got replaced by then aging smaller NYAir DC-9-10s and 20s, spiffed up
>> with an apple logo on the tail, then Trump's $49 airlines, serving coffee,
>> bagels, apple juice and a shiny red apple!
>>
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://michaelmanning.tv/blog/uploaded_
>>
images/2071679033_16d007b29b-759651.jpg&imgrefurl=http://michaelmanning.tv/blog/
>>
2008/10/sunset-for-east-coast-shuttle.html&usg=__e2u9iCnhMyAn8ATvhNORKLr7X7M=&h=\
333&w=500&sz=34&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=a7AbkwFiuDnIe
>> M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deastern%2Bshuttle%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%
>> 26sa%3DG
>>
>> kitbru@... wrote:
>>
>> > Thank goodness we have our own. I never flew on one but Kittie did in 1959
>> > to New York on her way to Germany for an AFS summer program. I wish they
>> > could afford to fly it more often, it is a beautiful airplane. Maybe why
>> > Howard liked it so much.
>> > Bruce
>> > In a message dated 9/10/2009 5:51:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> > Lotusman@... writes:
>> >
>> >      Very cool.  Thanks.  What a great sequence of photos.
>> >      John
>> >
>> >           ----- Original Message -----
>> >           From: Bob
>> >           To: atr
>> >           Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:48 PM
>> >           Subject: [ATR Ltd.] Fw: Arrival of the Connie
>> >           Craig wrote:
>> >
>> >                Interesting journey for a beautiful bird.
>> >                ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> >                          Subject: Arrival of the
>> >                          Connie
>> >
>> >
                                    The Connie is
                                    Coming!!!  It
                                    will arrive
                                    tomorrow,
                                    Friday, Sept 4
                                    around 10:30 am
                                    and will be on
                                    view all day!
                                    To check on the
                                    Connie’s
                                    progress across
                                    America go to
                                    this website by
                                    Bob
                                    Bogashhttp://www.rbogash.
                                    com/Connie/connie-RME-
                                    SEA.html

>> >
>> >                     ------------------------------------
>> >
>> It's curious that a once high flying, flagship of the skies, takes a
>> twilight journey bumping over rural roads in America's pastoral western farm
>> lands. Especially since much larger sections of Boeing jets are built in
>> pieces all over the country, and transported by rail, also to Washington,
>> for final assembly.
>>
>> Cheers, Bob
>>
>
>

Hi Steve,

The one I'm looking for is the October 1955 race.  I put a two page article on
the race from SCI in the photos section of the website a long while back.  Any
coverage you have from Straightpipe would be greatly appreciated expecially if
it has a nice results listing.  If anyone else out there has the program, please
let me know!

Regards, Michael

--- In Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Lloyd <slloydmarlboro@...>
wrote:
>
> Michael,
> While the DC Region doesn't have the program from that event, I may be able to
copy the Straightpipe report. Was this the first race in May of 1955, or a later
'55 event? As far as I know, most of the Region's earliest races included an
all-MG race at each meeting. As you probably know, that continued into the early
1960s.
> Steve

Does anyone out there possibly have this program that they can copy or scan for
me?

Thanks, Michael

Dean wrote:
> I just received word via the production forum that Donna Mae passed
> away at 10:30 last night.
> Bummer.
>

 

Hey Don

 

Tony has been running that Eagle Formula 5000 this year and doing very well, so if he can get in and out of that car I assume he could do the same with the F1.

 

One other thing to consider, when you have a opportunity to drive something that exotic, you will find a way.

 

Rick
www.rickmandelson.com

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Don Haines

To: marlboro_raceway@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:32 PM

Subject: RE: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors

 

Bob,
 
   As much as I like Tony and appreciate his skills, I doubt he would fit in a F1 car these days.  I remember him as being tall and as skinny as you.  But Ed Diehl showed me a photo of him and he's plumped out as much as me and a well done hot dog
 
Donnie
 

---

To: Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com
From: racerbob4@...
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:59:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors

 

One rumor I read was that it will be one American and one experienced F1 driver.   I vote for Tony Adamowitcz  (sp) to
be the American driver.  Bob

---

From: Don Haines <gtracer66@...>
To: marlboro_raceway@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:39:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors

 

I doubt even Peter Windsor knows who'll be driving for USF1 this early.  Or for a lot of F1 teams.  That's why it's called the "silly season".  Will Alonso go to Ferrari? Will Massa return? What about Fiserelli (sorry about spelling).  Will he stay or go?  Will Liuzzi stay with Force India? Hopefully he'll get a second chance at F1. 

Don Haines

---

To: Marlboro_Raceway@ yahoogroups. com
From: fyesari@gmail. com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:31:57 +0000
Subject: Re: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors

 

Anybody knows who will be driving for USF1 next year?
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

---

From: Peter van der Vate
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:02:02 -0700 (PDT)
To:
Subject: Re: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors

 

Ronnie,
Thanks for the info, guess I am suffering from CRS.
Hope you are doing well.
Do you remember Ben Doerr (he worked for Bob Murray and Fowler Motors) Bem lives in Cape Point near Hatteras, he told me that Archie ? (CRS again) is working in the Wall Mart in Kitty Hawk.
Pete van der Vate

---

From: ovlov100 <OVLOV1@...>
To: Marlboro_Raceway@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:55:55 PM
Subject: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors

 

Should have included this with my other post. Bob Murray was the owner of Both Annapolis Motor Dealerships. First one was in DC then he moved to Kensington, MD, on Metropolitan Ave.

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Many thanks, Robert, for such a thorough report on Donna Mae Mims prognosis.

For those of you who are not familiar with the website TED, I recommend this
page (one of more than 500) which in less than 20 minutes can inform you of the
nature of strokes, and the possibilities of full recovery.

http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html

We wish Donna Mae a full recovery.

E. R. Kelly
Oklahoma City





--- In Marlboro_Raceway@yahoogroups.com, Robert Hines <racerbob4@...> wrote:
>
> I received the following from Donna Mae's boyfriend.
>  
> On Thursday, Sept. 3rd Donna Mae was taken to the hospital where she was
diagnosed and is being treated for a stroke.  During the first 6 days she was
given blood thinners and heavily sedated while on a respirator in order for her
to be able to rest and recover.  On Wednesday evening Sept. 9th she was weaned
from the respirator and her sedation was reduced.
>  
> Wednesday afternoon she had her first 4 visitors and they were encouraged to
see that she was responding to questions with strong hand squeezes (both hands)
and slight nodding of her head.  She even followed us with her eyes.  She also
moved all of the toes when I touched her feet.  So it appears that she has no
major paralysis at this time.  In a discussion with her doctor, he was very
optimistic regarding her recovery.
>  
> On Thursday, Sept. 10th when he visited her she was still somewhat weak and
sedated, although she was trying to talk and was very responsive when he talked
to her.  She is still very weak and does not have the strength to vocalize
words and I'm sure her throat is very sore from the endotracheal tube she had in
for the respirator.
>  
> On Friday, Sept. 11th Donna Mae was about the same as yesterday, but a bit
stronger and a bit more alert.  When he talked to her she was a bit more
responsive and tried to talk.  She seemed slightly frustrated that we could not
hear or read her leps when she talked, but when I asked her it was important,
she shook her head no.  A couple of times he said something silly and she
actually laughed.
>  
> At this time she is still in the intensive care unit and cannot receive
visitors, cards or flowers. 
>  
> Update on Tuesday Sept. 15th 6:30 pm she is still groggy and weak and can
barely whisper some words.  She is still responsive and was pleased to see
me. 
>  
> Donna Mae's address is 503 Hunters Path Road, Apt 21, Bridgeville, PA 15017
for cards, no flowers at this time.
>  
> All of the above from Don Baker
>  
> I met Donna Mae the year she won the H Production National Championship in
1963.  That was during the time when you had to race all over the USA to be a
champion.  I met her at Lake Garnet, Kansas and she was driving a Austin Healy
Sprite.
> If I get more updates I will forword them to the Marlboro group.  A stroke
can be anything from mild to fatal.  It is caused by a bleeding of the brain
which then causes pressure in the skull.  If the person is found quickly and
taken to the hospital it increases their chance of recovery. 
> Bob Hines
>
>
>
>
>
>  
> Hey Don
>  
> Tony has been running that Eagle Formula 5000 this year and doing very well,
so if he can get in and out of that car I assume he could do the same with the
F1.
>  
> One other thing to consider, when you have a opportunity to drive something
that exotic, you will find a way.
>  
> Rick
> www.rickmandelson. com
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> >From: Don Haines
> >To: marlboro_raceway@ yahoogroups. com
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:32 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors
> >
> > 
> >Bob,
> > 
> >   As much as I like Tony and appreciate his skills, I doubt he would fit
in a F1 car these days.  I remember him as being tall and as skinny as you. 
But Ed Diehl showed me a photo of him and he's plumped out as much as me and a
well done hot dog
> > 
> >Donnie
> > 
> >
> ________________________________
> To: Marlboro_Raceway@ yahoogroups. com
> >From: racerbob4@yahoo. com
> >Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:59:47 -0700
> >Subject: Re: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors
> >
> > 
> >One rumor I read was that it will be one American and one experienced F1
driver.   I vote for Tony Adamowitcz  (sp) to
> >be the American driver.  Bob
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: Don Haines <gtracer66@live. com>
> >To: marlboro_raceway@ yahoogroups. com
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:39:07 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors
> >
> > 
> >I doubt even Peter Windsor knows who'll be driving for USF1 this early.  Or
for a lot of F1 teams.  That's why it's called the "silly season".  Will
Alonso go to Ferrari? Will Massa return? What about Fiserelli (sorry about
spelling).  Will he stay or go?  Will Liuzzi stay with Force India? Hopefully
he'll get a second chance at F1. 
> >
> >Don Haines
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> To: Marlboro_Raceway@ yahoogroups. com
> >From: fyesari@gmail. com
> >Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:31:57 +0000
> >Subject: Re: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors
> >
> > 
> >Anybody knows who will be driving for USF1 next year?
> >Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> >________________________________
> From: Peter van der Vate
> >Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:02:02 -0700 (PDT)
> >To: <Marlboro_Raceway@ yahoogroups. com>
> >Subject: Re: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >Ronnie,
> >Thanks for the info, guess I am suffering from CRS.
> >Hope you are doing well.
> >Do you remember Ben Doerr (he worked for Bob Murray and Fowler Motors) Bem
lives in Cape Point near Hatteras, he told me that Archie ? (CRS again) is
working in the Wall Mart in Kitty Hawk.
> >Pete van der Vate
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: ovlov100 <OVLOV1@...>
> >To: Marlboro_Raceway@ yahoogroups. com
> >Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:55:55 PM
> >Subject: [Marlboro_Raceway] Annapolis Motors
> >
> > 
> >Should have included this with my other post. Bob Murray was the owner of
Both Annapolis Motor Dealerships. First one was in DC then he moved to
Kensington, MD, on Metropolitan Ave.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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