I just did a review on the American Classic 1911 Commander in the stainless
type finish which is really brushed chrome.
After looking it over inside and out and shooting it a lot over the last few
weeks since the company sent it to me for review I can say with no
hesitation it's the best buy in an under $500 1911! The fit and finish are
as good as any Kimber, accuracy is great with 1 inch groups at 10 yards.
During all my test with all kinds of ammo I had no failures of any kind in
400 rounds fired. That was ball, hollowpoints a little of everything.
http://www.americanclassic1911.com/

Phil

--
"I am strong in the Lord and in the power of His might! No weapon formed
against me shall prosper. I am an overcomer through Christ who strengthens
me."


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Hey, I noticed that Cimarron Firearms is now selling M1911's. Anyone know about
them? Their revolvers are excellent and interchange with Colts, wondering if
their 1911s do too???
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil White <philwhite777@...>
Sender: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:53:34
To: <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Re: Modestly Priced 1911's

Mark,


  We could get them back in the 80's and then with the trade feud with China
they stopped import. Canada gets them but they can't be purchased there and
brought here. Wish they could. The one I had was a fine pistol in itself or
a platform for customizing.
  You still see a few around from back then but prices are pretty high since
they are very rare.
Phil

--
"I am strong in the Lord and in the power of His might! No weapon formed
against me shall prosper. I am an overcomer through Christ who strengthens
me."


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Hello Mark, right on.  Everyone I knew including me thought that Norinco
  produced a better gun than Colt.<G>  best regards.  Jack F
               ------------------------------
              Is it right that only the Police are
              allowed self defense with a handgun?
               <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com/>

Friday, March 4, 2011, 1:48:04 PM, you wrote:

Mark>
Mark> Hey
Mark> Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty good gun!
Mark> I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam home
Mark> on an empty chamber, so I've never done it.
Mark> Cheers
Mark> Mark from New Zealand.

Mark> --- In M-1911@yahoogroups.com, "Curt" <giveadurn@...> wrote:
>>
>> Based on the concept that one can never own too many 1911's I've decided it's
time to find a modestly priced (under $700) gun to build a new one just the way
I want it, whatever that may turn out to be. In light of that this weekend I
looked at three possibilities the Armscorp basic GI, the Para GI and the
Remington 1911-R1. I'll probably also include the basic offerings from
Springfield and Rock Island the store I was in just didn't either of those on
hand.
>>
>> Anyway looking for comments good or bad about this guns.
>>
>> Also has anyone ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the slide go
into battery on and empty chamber? I've always heard just the opposite and
yesterday at the store was the first time I've encounter what I believe is
another of the urban legends surrounding the 1911.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Curt
>> KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS
>>

Mar

Hello Mark, the other great 1911s are the ones produced in Argentina on
  Colt machinery. Argentina wanted to use the 1911 for their army, so they
  contracted with Colt after WW1 to bring equipment and workers to Argentina.

  Later they bought the machinery from Colt and ran it with their own men
  who had been trained by Colt. Exact duplicates except for the engraving.
     best regards.  Jack F
               ------------------------------
              Is it right that only the Police are
              allowed self defense with a handgun?
               <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com/>

Friday, March 4, 2011, 1:48:04 PM, you wrote:

Mark>
Mark> Hey
Mark> Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty good gun!
Mark> I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam home
Mark> on an empty chamber, so I've never done it.
Mark> Cheers
Mark> Mark from New Zealand.

Mark> --- In M-1911@yahoogroups.com, "Curt" <giveadurn@...> wrote:
>>
>> Based on the concept that one can never own too many 1911's I've decided it's
time to find a modestly priced (under $700) gun to build a new one just the way
I want it, whatever that may turn out to be. In light of that this weekend I
looked at three possibilities the Armscorp basic GI, the Para GI and the
Remington 1911-R1. I'll probably also include the basic offerings from
Springfield and Rock Island the store I was in just didn't either of those on
hand.
>>
>> Anyway looking for comments good or bad about this guns.
>>
>> Also has anyone ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the slide go
into battery on and empty chamber? I've always heard just the opposite and
yesterday at the store was the first time I've encounter what I believe is
another of the urban legends surrounding the 1911.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Curt
>> KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS
>>

Argentine 1911's are very good:-)

--
"I am strong in the Lord and in the power of His might! No weapon formed
against me shall prosper. I am an overcomer through Christ who strengthens
me."


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What are some Argentine brand 1911's you would recommend.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil White" <philwhite777@...>
To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2011 4:45:55 PM
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Re: Modestly Priced 1911's

 




Argentine 1911's are very good:-)

--
"I am strong in the Lord and in the power of His might! No weapon formed
against me shall prosper. I am an overcomer through Christ who strengthens
me."

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Gunsmith,

The very same thing happened here in Brasil, Imbel produce 1911 till today,
most exported to the U.S. market as Springfield armory, real nice, real
reliable guns. They are offerred in some calibers such as .38 super, .40SW,
.45 ACP, 9X19 and .380 ACP. All the bigger ones are basically the same gun,
he .380 acp has some differences since it is not a locked breech gun but a
direct blowback one. Works fine. I have one as my CCL gun.

Best,

AG

2011/3/4 gunsmith <gunsmith@...>

>
>
> Hello Mark, the other great 1911s are the ones produced in Argentina on
> Colt machinery. Argentina wanted to use the 1911 for their army, so they
> contracted with Colt after WW1 to bring equipment and workers to Argentina.
>
> Later they bought the machinery from Colt and ran it with their own men
> who had been trained by Colt. Exact duplicates except for the engraving.
>
> best regards. Jack F
> ------------------------------
> Is it right that only the Police are
> allowed self defense with a handgun?
> <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com/>
>
> Friday, March 4, 2011, 1:48:04 PM, you wrote:
>
> Mark>
> Mark> Hey
> Mark> Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty good
> gun!
> Mark> I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam home
> Mark> on an empty chamber, so I've never done it.
> Mark> Cheers
> Mark> Mark from New Zealand.
>
> Mark> --- In M-1911@yahoogroups.com, "Curt" <giveadurn@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Based on the concept that one can never own too many 1911's I've decided
> it's time to find a modestly priced (under $700) gun to build a new one just
> the way I want it, whatever that may turn out to be. In light of that this
> weekend I looked at three possibilities the Armscorp basic GI, the Para GI
> and the Remington 1911-R1. I'll probably also include the basic offerings
> from Springfield and Rock Island the store I was in just didn't either of
> those on hand.
> >>
> >> Anyway looking for comments good or bad about this guns.
> >>
> >> Also has anyone ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the slide
> go into battery on and empty chamber? I've always heard just the opposite
> and yesterday at the store was the first time I've encounter what I believe
> is another of the urban legends surrounding the 1911.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Curt
> >> KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS
> >>
>
>
>


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A Norinco would make a good base gun, they're made of good steel, but
I don't think they are imported any more.  Thank your government 8^(
Dave

At 02:48 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote:
>Hey
>Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty good gun!
>I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam home
>on an empty chamber, so I've never done it.
>Cheers
>Mark from New Zealand.
>
>
>--- In M-1911@yahoogroups.com, "Curt" <giveadurn@...> wrote:
> >
> > Based on the concept that one can never own too many 1911's I've
> decided it's time to find a modestly priced (under $700) gun to
> build a new one just the way I want it, whatever that may turn out
> to be. In light of that this weekend I looked at three
> possibilities the Armscorp basic GI, the Para GI and the Remington
> 1911-R1. I'll probably also include the basic offerings from
> Springfield and Rock Island the store I was in just didn't either
> of those on hand.
> >
> > Anyway looking for comments good or bad about this guns.
> >
> > Also has anyone ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the
> slide go into battery on and empty chamber? I've always heard just
> the opposite and yesterday at the store was the first time I've
> encounter what I believe is another of the urban legends surrounding the 1911.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Curt
> > KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS
> >
>
>
>
>
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Hello David,  For production line guns, I found the Dan Wesson 1911s produced
  before CZ took over to be the finest production line pistols I have ever seen.
  They were all competition level guns right out of the box.
     best regards.  Jack F
               ------------------------------
              Is it right that only the Police are
              allowed self defense with a handgun?
               <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com/>

Friday, March 4, 2011, 6:41:22 PM, you wrote:

David>
David> A Norinco would make a good base gun, they're made of good steel, but
David> I don't think they are imported any more. Thank your government 8^(
David> Dave

David> At 02:48 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote:
>>Hey
>>Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty good gun!
>>I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam home
>>on an empty chamber, so I've never done it.
>>Cheers
>>Mark from New Zealand.
>>
>>
>>--- In M-1911@yahoogroups.com, "Curt" <giveadurn@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Based on the concept that one can never own too many 1911's I've
>> decided it's time to find a modestly priced (under $700) gun to
>> build a new one just the way I want it, whatever that may turn out
>> to be. In light of that this weekend I looked at three
>> possibilities the Armscorp basic GI, the Para GI and the Remington
>> 1911-R1. I'll probably also include the basic offerings from
>> Springfield and Rock Island the store I was in just didn't either
>> of those on hand.
>> >
>> > Anyway looking for comments good or bad about this guns.
>> >
>> > Also has anyone ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the
>> slide go into battery on and empty chamber? I've always heard just
>> the opposite and yesterday at the store was the first time I've
>> encounter what I believe is another of the urban legends surrounding the
1911.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Curt
>> > KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Phil White <philwhite777@...>
To: M-1911 <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Re: Modestly Priced 1911's




Argentine 1911's are very good:-)

--
"I am strong in the Lord and in the power of His might! No weapon formed
against me shall prosper. I am an overcomer through Christ who strengthens
me."

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On the 45 thread....one of my favorites.  I have a 7 yr old Daly field
grade (el cheapo) fixed sights, extended this, extended that, beavertail, 8 rd
mag and those hideous looking front slide serrations.  Out of the box it's
never jammed even with my girly target reloads.  It's rather tight at all
the critical points and the trigger isn't too bad either.  It breaks clean
but not "glass rod like" at about 4 1/2lbs with minimal overtravel.  I'd
like to install a drop in rear adjustable sight if I knew the dimensions and
it's very accurate.  I can clean a soda can at 25 yards most of the  time.
Maybe not "Bullseye Grade" but a hell of a deal at $329.00.   Philippine
assembled.

Bill


In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:48:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mbodell@... writes:




Hey
Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty good  gun!
I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam home  on an
empty chamber, so I've never done it.
Cheers
Mark from New  Zealand.

--- In _M-1911@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com) , "Curt"
<giveadurn@...> wrote:
>
> Based on the concept that one can  never own too many 1911's I've decided
it's time to find a modestly priced  (under $700) gun to build a new one
just the way I want it, whatever that may  turn out to be. In light of that
this weekend I looked at three possibilities  the Armscorp basic GI, the Para
GI and the Remington 1911-R1. I'll probably  also include the basic
offerings from Springfield and Rock Island the store I  was in just didn't
either of
those on hand.
>
> Anyway looking  for comments good or bad about this guns.
>
> Also has anyone  ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the slide
go into battery on and  empty chamber? I've always heard just the opposite
and yesterday at the store  was the first time I've encounter what I believe
is another of the urban  legends surrounding the 1911.
>
> Regards,
> Curt
>  KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS
>





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I have the same gun with similar results to yours.  There are tool marks inside
but externally, fit is not bad.  It has been 100 percent reliable with
everything from mild reloads to +P factory ammo.

I did have one issue with it.  I would get hit in the face with what I perceived
to be unburned powder flakes.  I di not think it was possible for the action of
any 1911 to open while there was still pressure in the barrel, so I never did
understand what was going on.  I replaced the firing pin retainer (which cocks
the hammer during recoil) with a square edge rather than an edge with a radius.
This should retard the cycling.  It seems to have fixed the problem.

My Daly is now my "truck gun".


Regards,
David Hoobler

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the boisterous sea of liberty."
Thomas Jefferson, 1784




________________________________
From: "oneillwj@..." <oneillwj@...>
To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 9:16:11 AM
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Re: Modestly Priced 1911's  Chas Daly field


On the 45 thread....one of my favorites.  I have a 7 yr old Daly field
grade (el cheapo) fixed sights, extended this, extended that, beavertail, 8 rd
mag and those hideous looking front slide serrations.  Out of the box it's
never jammed even with my girly target reloads.  It's rather tight at all
the critical points and the trigger isn't too bad either.  It breaks clean
but not "glass rod like" at about 4 1/2lbs with minimal overtravel.  I'd
like to install a drop in rear adjustable sight if I knew the dimensions and
it's very accurate.  I can clean a soda can at 25 yards most of the  time.
Maybe not "Bullseye Grade" but a hell of a deal at $329.00.   Philippine
assembled.

Bill


In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:48:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mbodell@... writes:

Hey
Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty good  gun!
I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam home  on an
empty chamber, so I've never done it.
Cheers
Mark from New  Zealand.

--- In _M-1911@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com) , "Curt"
<giveadurn@...> wrote:
>
> Based on the concept that one can  never own too many 1911's I've decided
it's time to find a modestly priced  (under $700) gun to build a new one
just the way I want it, whatever that may  turn out to be. In light of that
this weekend I looked at three possibilities  the Armscorp basic GI, the Para
GI and the Remington 1911-R1. I'll probably  also include the basic
offerings from Springfield and Rock Island the store I  was in just didn't
either of

those on hand.
>
> Anyway looking  for comments good or bad about this guns.
>
> Also has anyone  ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the slide
go into battery on and  empty chamber? I've always heard just the opposite
and yesterday at the store  was the first time I've encounter what I believe
is another of the urban  legends surrounding the 1911.
>
> Regards,
> Curt
>  KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS
>

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Phil, thanks for the comments, based on the parts list on the website I gather
this is a "Series 70" style and not an "80". Also noticed than when you click on
more info on a part the data comes down from the Bersa website. Are these being
built by Bersa? Based on my experience and that of some friend with an
assortment of Bersa's I'd be inclined to look at this as a serious contender.
They say the slide is forged 4140 steel but they just say the frame is 4140
steel, forged or cast?

Thanks again,
Curt

de Curt KC8STE/AAR5VR

--- On Fri, 3/4/11, Phil White <philwhite777@...> wrote:

From: Phil White <philwhite777@...>
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Re: Modestly Priced 1911's
To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 4:59 PM







 









       I just did a review on the American Classic 1911 Commander in the
stainless

type finish which is really brushed chrome.

After looking it over inside and out and shooting it a lot over the last few

weeks since the company sent it to me for review I can say with no

hesitation it's the best buy in an under $500 1911! The fit and finish are

as good as any Kimber, accuracy is great with 1 inch groups at 10 yards.

During all my test with all kinds of ammo I had no failures of any kind in

400 rounds fired. That was ball, hollowpoints a little of everything.

http://www.americanclassic1911.com/



Phil



--

"I am strong in the Lord and in the power of His might! No weapon formed

against me shall prosper. I am an overcomer through Christ who strengthens

me."



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I wish I'd picked up a couple Norinco 1911 when you could get them. Last one I
saw at a show was well used, at least based on holster wear and the guy want
$850 for it. Such is that famous 50/50 hindsight.

Curt

de Curt KC8STE/AAR5VR

--- On Fri, 3/4/11, gunsmith <gunsmith@...> wrote:

From: gunsmith <gunsmith@...>
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Re: Modestly Priced 1911's
To: "Mark" <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 5:31 PM







 









        Hello Mark, right on.  Everyone I knew including me thought that Norinco

  produced a better gun than Colt.<G>  best regards.  Jack F

               ------------------------------

              Is it right that only the Police are

              allowed self defense with a handgun?

               <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com/>



Friday, March 4, 2011, 1:48:04 PM, you wrote:



Mark>

Mark> Hey

Mark> Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty good gun!

Mark> I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam home

Mark> on an empty chamber, so I've never done it.

Mark> Cheers

Mark> Mark from New Zealand.



Mark> --- In M-1911@yahoogroups.com, "Curt" <giveadurn@...> wrote:

>>

>> Based on the concept that one can never own too many 1911's I've decided it's
time to find a modestly priced (under $700) gun to build a new one just the way
I want it, whatever that may turn out to be. In light of that this weekend I
looked at three possibilities the Armscorp basic GI, the Para GI and the
Remington 1911-R1. I'll probably also include the basic offerings from
Springfield and Rock Island the store I was in just didn't either of those on
hand.

>>

>> Anyway looking for comments good or bad about this guns.

>>

>> Also has anyone ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the slide go
into battery on and empty chamber? I've always heard just the opposite and
yesterday at the store was the first time I've encounter what I believe is
another of the urban legends surrounding the 1911.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Curt

>> KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS

>>



Mar

























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I'll have to look around for Daly's at the next show.

Curt

de Curt KC8STE/AAR5VR

--- On Sat, 3/5/11, oneillwj@... <oneillwj@...> wrote:

From: oneillwj@... <oneillwj@...>
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Re: Modestly Priced 1911's  Chas Daly field
To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011, 10:16 AM







 









       On the 45 thread....one of my favorites.  I have a 7 yr old Daly field

grade (el cheapo) fixed sights, extended this, extended that, beavertail, 8 rd

mag and those hideous looking front slide serrations.  Out of the box it's

never jammed even with my girly target reloads.  It's rather tight at all

the critical points and the trigger isn't too bad either.  It breaks clean

but not "glass rod like" at about 4 1/2lbs with minimal overtravel.  I'd

like to install a drop in rear adjustable sight if I knew the dimensions and

it's very accurate.  I can clean a soda can at 25 yards most of the  time.

Maybe not "Bullseye Grade" but a hell of a deal at $329.00.   Philippine

assembled.



Bill





In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:48:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mbodell@... writes:



Hey

Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty good  gun!

I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam home  on an

empty chamber, so I've never done it.

Cheers

Mark from New  Zealand.



--- In _M-1911@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com) , "Curt"

<giveadurn@...> wrote:

>

> Based on the concept that one can  never own too many 1911's I've decided

it's time to find a modestly priced  (under $700) gun to build a new one

just the way I want it, whatever that may  turn out to be. In light of that

this weekend I looked at three possibilities  the Armscorp basic GI, the Para

GI and the Remington 1911-R1. I'll probably  also include the basic

offerings from Springfield and Rock Island the store I  was in just didn't
either of

those on hand.

>

> Anyway looking  for comments good or bad about this guns.

>

> Also has anyone  ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the slide

go into battery on and  empty chamber? I've always heard just the opposite

and yesterday at the store  was the first time I've encounter what I believe

is another of the urban  legends surrounding the 1911.

>

> Regards,

> Curt

>  KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS

>



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Hello RobertNelson651, The way dry firing cold hurt a 1911 is if the
  FP return spring has been altered so that it does not stack up before
  the FP jams in the hole in the breech.  Since the pin is usually
  tapered it can jam by protruding too much when dry firing.

  BTW, AFAIK, every urban legend about the 1911 is B.S.
    best regards.  Jack F
               ------------------------------
              Is it right that only the Police are
              allowed self defense with a handgun?
               <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com/>

Friday, March 4, 2011, 3:16:50 PM, you wrote:

RobertNelson651>
RobertNelson651> Colt's M1991-A1 is still around $500 to $600. Accurate and
reliable.
RobertNelson651> Interestingly, in their owners manual, they suggest dry fire
practice. I called
RobertNelson651> the factory and asked about it and they said it 'would not hurt
the gun' !!!
RobertNelson651> Robert
RobertNelson651> Northern California


RobertNelson651> He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does
not obey the
RobertNelson651> Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
(John 3:36 NAS,
RobertNelson651> see also 1 John 2:3-5).

RobertNelson651> In a message dated 3/4/2011 11:48:20 A.M. Pacific Standard
Time,
RobertNelson651> mbodell@... writes:

RobertNelson651> Hey
RobertNelson651> Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty
good gun!
RobertNelson651> I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam
home on an
RobertNelson651> empty chamber, so I've never done it.
RobertNelson651> Cheers
RobertNelson651> Mark from New Zealand.

RobertNelson651> --- In _M-1911@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com)
, "Curt"
RobertNelson651> <giveadurn@...> wrote:
>>
>> Based on the concept that one can never own too many 1911's I've decided
RobertNelson651> it's time to find a modestly priced (under $700) gun to build a
new one
RobertNelson651> just the way I want it, whatever that may turn out to be. In
light of that
RobertNelson651> this weekend I looked at three possibilities the Armscorp basic
GI, the Para
RobertNelson651> GI and the Remington 1911-R1. I'll probably also include the
basic
RobertNelson651> offerings from Springfield and Rock Island the store I
RobertNelson651> was in just didn't either of
RobertNelson651> those on hand.
>>
>> Anyway looking for comments good or bad about this guns.
>>
>> Also has anyone ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the slide
RobertNelson651> go into battery on and empty chamber? I've always heard just
the opposite
RobertNelson651> and yesterday at the store was the first time I've encounter
what I believe
RobertNelson651> is another of the urban legends surrounding the 1911.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Curt
>> KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS
>>

Thanks for the info Jack
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-----Original Message-----
From: gunsmith <gunsmith@...>
Sender: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 16:36:50
To: RobertNelson651@...<M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Re: Modestly Priced 1911's

  Hello RobertNelson651, The way dry firing cold hurt a 1911 is if the
  FP return spring has been altered so that it does not stack up before
  the FP jams in the hole in the breech.  Since the pin is usually
  tapered it can jam by protruding too much when dry firing.

  BTW, AFAIK, every urban legend about the 1911 is B.S.
    best regards.  Jack F
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              Is it right that only the Police are
              allowed self defense with a handgun?
               <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com/>

Friday, March 4, 2011, 3:16:50 PM, you wrote:

RobertNelson651>
RobertNelson651> Colt's M1991-A1 is still around $500 to $600. Accurate and
reliable.
RobertNelson651> Interestingly, in their owners manual, they suggest dry fire
practice. I called
RobertNelson651> the factory and asked about it and they said it 'would not hurt
the gun' !!!
RobertNelson651> Robert
RobertNelson651> Northern California


RobertNelson651> He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does
not obey the
RobertNelson651> Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
(John 3:36 NAS,
RobertNelson651> see also 1 John 2:3-5).

RobertNelson651> In a message dated 3/4/2011 11:48:20 A.M. Pacific Standard
Time,
RobertNelson651> mbodell@... writes:

RobertNelson651> Hey
RobertNelson651> Don't s'pose you've considered a Norinco... Mine is a pretty
good gun!
RobertNelson651> I was told it would wreck the trigger by letting the slide slam
home on an
RobertNelson651> empty chamber, so I've never done it.
RobertNelson651> Cheers
RobertNelson651> Mark from New Zealand.

RobertNelson651> --- In_M-1911@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com)
, "Curt"
RobertNelson651> <giveadurn@...> wrote:
>>
>> Based on the concept that one can never own too many 1911's I've decided
RobertNelson651> it's time to find a modestly priced (under $700) gun to build a
new one
RobertNelson651> just the way I want it, whatever that may turn out to be. In
light of that
RobertNelson651> this weekend I looked at three possibilities the Armscorp basic
GI, the Para
RobertNelson651> GI and the Remington 1911-R1. I'll probably also include the
basic
RobertNelson651> offerings from Springfield and Rock Island the store I
RobertNelson651> was in just didn't either of
RobertNelson651> those on hand.
>>
>> Anyway looking for comments good or bad about this guns.
>>
>> Also has anyone ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the slide
RobertNelson651> go into battery on and empty chamber? I've always heard just
the opposite
RobertNelson651> and yesterday at the store was the first time I've encounter
what I believe
RobertNelson651> is another of the urban legends surrounding the 1911.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Curt
>> KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS
>>



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I have twelve 1911's and have owned a couple more that I have traded or sold. 
The only one yet to give me any trouble--quite an endorsement for the basic
design--is the Remington R1.  Back to the factory for "bent slide".  Back to the
factory shortly thereafter to have the extractor replaced.  Seems fine now.  To
Remington's credit, their service on the R1 was excellent in terms of turnaround
time, their payment for all shipping, etc. My suggestion would be to look at the
MRI Desert Eagle made in Israel. It doesn't break the bank and I have had good
experience with it. I have heard good things about the Para GI (from one person)
but can't speak to it based on personal experience.

Good luck!

David.

--- In M-1911@yahoogroups.com, Curt Givens <giveadurn@...> wrote:
>
> My thanks to all of you who replied. Between us the wife and I have a Rock
Island, a Springfield and 2 Kimbers. Both the RI and the Springfield have been
to a local gunsmith with nary a negative comment about either of them and the
trigger jobs have held up through about a thousand round each. Looked at reviews
of the R1 and the Para. Both get high praise and apparently Para went with a
standard extractor instead of their proprietary unit. Neither review mentioned
cast vs forged but the Remington does say it's all US made. I understand from
reading on the Novak site that the series 80 slides make it difficult if not
impossible to install a lowered rear site. Both the Remington and Para units
have series 80 mechanisms. Personally I've always viewed that as a a unique
solution to a non-existant problem to quote the late Jeff Cooper on the subject
of DA sem-iauto handguns.
>
> Thanks again guys.
>
> de Curt KC8STE/AAR5VR
>
> --- On Mon, 2/28/11, gunsmith <gunsmith@...> wrote:
>
> From: gunsmith <gunsmith@...>
> Subject: Re: [M-1911] Modestly Priced 1911's
> To: "Curt" <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 7:38 AM
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>        Hello Curt,  You'll hear a lot of them like hat, as if the metal is
soft
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>              Is it right that only the Police are
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>              allowed self defense with a handgun?
>
>               <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com/>
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> Sunday, February 27, 2011, 2:11:19 PM, you wrote:
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> Curt> Based on the concept that one can never own too many 1911's I've
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> Curt> decided it's time to find a modestly priced (under $700) gun to build
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>
> Curt> In light of that this weekend I looked at three possibilities the
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> Curt> Armscorp basic GI, the Para GI and the Remington 1911-R1. I'll
>
> Curt> probably also include the basic offerings from Springfield and Rock
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> Curt> Anyway looking for comments good or bad about this guns.
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> Curt> Also has anyone ever heard that it's hard on the 1911 to let the
>
> Curt> slide go into battery on and empty chamber? I've always heard just
>
> Curt> the opposite and yesterday at the store was the first time I've
>
> Curt> encounter what I believe is another of the urban legends surrounding the
1911.
>
>
>
> Curt> Regards,
>
> Curt> Curt
>
> Curt> KC8STE/AAR5VR US Army MARS
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Hello David, Interesting comment about bent slides.  When checking a 1911
  for accurizing the first check I make is whether the slide and frame are
  straight.  They can both be very slightly bent and unless it is obvious
  it will not be noticed.  However, such a combination can never be a great
  gun.  It will always be erratic in accuracy because of the angular path.

  I remove the ejector and try the stripped slide on backwards.  If they are
  truly straight it will fit the same either way.  The slightest curve will
  prevent the slide from fitting, and that gun/combination will not waste
  my time..   best regards.  Jack F
               ------------------------------
              Is it right that only the Police are
              allowed self defense with a handgun?
               <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com/>

Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 8:08:50 AM, you wrote:

bayowulf11>


bayowulf11> I have twelve 1911's and have owned a couple more that I have
bayowulf11> traded or sold. The only one yet to give me any trouble--quite
bayowulf11> an endorsement for the basic design--is the Remington R1. Back
bayowulf11> to the factory for "bent slide". Back to the factory shortly
bayowulf11> thereafter to have the extractor replaced. Seems fine now. To
bayowulf11> Remington's credit, their service on the R1 was excellent in
bayowulf11> terms of turnaround time, their payment for all shipping, etc.
bayowulf11> My suggestion would be to look at the MRI Desert Eagle made in
bayowulf11> Israel. It doesn't break the bank and I have had good
bayowulf11> experience with it. I have heard good things about the Para GI
bayowulf11> (from one person) but can't speak to it based on personal
experience.

bayowulf11> Good luck!

bayowulf11> David.

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