David, as you possibly already know, the Argentine is essentially
  a Colt, built on Colt machinery to Colt specs, either by Colt
  personnel while training Argentine workers or after Colt left
  Argentina and turned the equipment over to them.  If it was made
  before 1927 when Colt left Argentina it is worth slightly more.

  It should command nearly the same price as an old well used Colt
  1911A1.  If it is operable and not rusty it is worth at least
  $400, regardless of the finish.  If it is a pre 1927 early model
  marked "Colt" it could be worth more.    Regards, Jack F
                   =============================
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Saturday, March 21, 2009, 3:18:12 PM, you wrote:

DH> Thank you for the reply.  I was at a gun show.  I found this gun on a table
as a private sale, which is legal here in Texas.  The price was $550.  I did not
have any idea what the gun was worth.
DH> On the same table was a Para Ordinance for over $800, which struck me as
high.  I suspect the seller was looking for someone willing to pay a premium to
avoid the 4473.  I passed.

DH> Since I did not examine the gun in detail, I don't really know about the
mechanical condition.  Judging from the external condition, I suspect it was
well used.  Another thing that put me off was
DH> the white out on the sights.  It looked like a previous owner might have
messed with the internals.

DH>  Regards,
DH> David Hoobler
DH> "The depression has ended." - Dr. Julius Klein, Assistant Secretary of
Commerce.- June 9, 1931





DH> ________________________________
DH> From: Phillip White <philwhite777@...>
DH> To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
DH> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:05:53 PM
DH> Subject: [M-1911] Re: Argentine 1911


DH> Just my opinion but I'd say at 70% the max would be $300 and that's being
fairly generous. 70% to me indicates not only wear but a need for some
replacement parts.

DH> --- In M-1911@yahoogroups. com, David Hoobler <dhoobler76@ ...> wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone tell me a fair price for an Argentine 1911.  It is about 70%"
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>







DH> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

$550 for an Argentinian clone at 70% condition is way too much. On the
other hand, $800 for a Para Ordnance, depending on the model, is an
average (if not a good) price.

Rgds

John Caradimas






On Mar 21, 2009, at 23:18 , David Hoobler wrote:

> Thank you for the reply.  I was at a gun show.  I found this gun on
> a table as a private sale, which is legal here in Texas.  The price
> was $550.  I did not have any idea what the gun was worth.  On the
> same table was a Para Ordinance for over $800, which struck me as
> high.  I suspect the seller was looking for someone willing to pay a
> premium to avoid the 4473.  I passed.
>
> Since I did not examine the gun in detail, I don't really know about
> the mechanical condition.  Judging from the external condition, I
> suspect it was well used.  Another thing that put me off was the
> white out on the sights.  It looked like a previous owner might have
> messed with the internals.
>
> Regards,
> David Hoobler
> "The depression has ended." - Dr. Julius Klein, Assistant Secretary
> of Commerce.- June 9, 1931
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Phillip White <philwhite777@...>
> To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:05:53 PM
> Subject: [M-1911] Re: Argentine 1911
>
>
> Just my opinion but I'd say at 70% the max would be $300 and that's
> being fairly generous. 70% to me indicates not only wear but a need
> for some replacement parts.
>
> --- In M-1911@yahoogroups. com, David Hoobler <dhoobler76@ ...> wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone tell me a fair price for an Argentine 1911.  It is about
>> 70%"
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Thank you for the reply.  I was at a gun show.  I found this gun on a table as a
private sale, which is legal here in Texas.  The price was $550.  I did not have
any idea what the gun was worth.  On the same table was a Para Ordinance for
over $800, which struck me as high.  I suspect the seller was looking for
someone willing to pay a premium to avoid the 4473.  I passed.

Since I did not examine the gun in detail, I don't really know about the
mechanical condition.  Judging from the external condition, I suspect it was
well used.  Another thing that put me off was the white out on the sights.  It
looked like a previous owner might have messed with the internals.

  Regards,
David Hoobler
"The depression has ended." - Dr. Julius Klein, Assistant Secretary of
Commerce.- June 9, 1931





________________________________
From: Phillip White <philwhite777@...>
To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:05:53 PM
Subject: [M-1911] Re: Argentine 1911


Just my opinion but I'd say at 70% the max would be $300 and that's being fairly
generous. 70% to me indicates not only wear but a need for some replacement
parts.

--- In M-1911@yahoogroups. com, David Hoobler <dhoobler76@ ...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me a fair price for an Argentine 1911.  It is about 70%"
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Just my opinion but I'd say at 70% the max would be $300 and that's being fairly
generous. 70% to me indicates not only wear but a need for some replacement
parts.



--- In M-1911@yahoogroups.com, David Hoobler <dhoobler76@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me a fair price for an Argentine 1911.  It is about 70%"
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Can anyone tell me a fair price for an Argentine 1911.  It is about 70%"

Thanks,
David


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From what I've heard it is on an original STI frame and match grade parts put
together by MetroArms for a price half of that of STI seen a review on a
Filipino site:

http://pinoy1911.proboards75.com/index.cgi?board=firestormpistol&action=display&\
thread=2744&page=1

Hope you could understand their agenda generally coz its bilengual both english
and filipino language rolled into one...you could also be a member there and
translate what they are talking...also talked about is the Firestorm 1911,
Taurus 1911 and Norinco 1911's...nice site...

Francis

I  have not seen this one before.

sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Caradimas" <sv1cec@...>
To: <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [M-1911] MAC 2011


>I do not think we'll ever review this model, it appears to be a
> special model for the PI market.
>
> Rgds
>
> John Caradimas
> M1911.ORG
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:29 AM, francisraymund wrote:
>
>> Seen on this link:
>> http://wscmakati.multiply.com/photos/album/11/MAC_2011_by_Metro_Arms_Corp
>>
>> Any reviews thanks!
>>
>>
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I do not think we'll ever review this model, it appears to be a
special model for the PI market.

Rgds

John Caradimas
M1911.ORG




On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:29 AM, francisraymund wrote:

> Seen on this link:
> http://wscmakati.multiply.com/photos/album/11/MAC_2011_by_Metro_Arms_Corp
>
> Any reviews thanks!
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Seen on this link:
http://wscmakati.multiply.com/photos/album/11/MAC_2011_by_Metro_Arms_Corp

Any reviews thanks!

So I took my misbehaving 1911 to the range tonight, and I found out the
cause of the issue. It wasn't the gun at all, it was the adjustable sights.
Every time I pulled the trigger, the rear sight moved a little bit more. By
the time I'd emptied a seven round mag, the rear sight had moved as far over
to the right as it would go, changing the point of impact by about 4 to 5
inches. Guess that might explain why the point of impact was changing, huh?

The good news is that this gives me an excuse to send it off to Novak for 3
dot night sights. Problem solved!

Thanks again for everyone's help. Sorry it wasn't something more exotic. :)

-Tim

   _____

From: M-1911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Tim Rahto
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:18 PM
To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [M-1911] Problems with a Colt Gold Cup



You know, you raise a good question here and I am not sure of the answer.
This is going to require some additional testing to see if heat or dirt is
the culprit. I will see if I can sneak off to the range a couple of nights
this week for some tests. I figure I will put a hundred rounds through it
one night to dirty it up and then fire some through it again on a second
night without a cleaning in between. I will report back with the results in
a few days.

-Tim



You did not exactly spell it out, but I am assuming it drifts as it
heats up? Or does it drift with accumulation of whatever you are
removing when cleaning it, since that seems to bring it back on
target?
My first thought is that the barrel is under stress when locked up,
and this would probably show by the hood leaning against one side of
the guides in the breech. As it warms up the chamber moves slightly
to one side. Regards, Jack F
=============================
Are only the Police entitled to defend themselves with a handgun?
<http://www.gunsmith <http://www.gunsmith <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com>
.fuselier.com> .fuselier.com> East
Texas

Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:46:25 AM, you wrote:

TR> I've got a Colt Gold Cup with a bit of a problem. It seems as though it
TR> starts to lose its point of impact after about 50 - 75 rounds or so, and
TR> gradually starts to shoot more to the left. Groups that start out dead
on
TR> eventually migrate out to the edge of the 8 ring at 25 feet. A routine
field
TR> stripping doesn't show anything out of the ordinary. After it is
cleaned, it
TR> will again shoot dead on for a while and then begin to creep out to the
TR> left. The gun was bought new in 2005, and probably has about 1000 rounds
TR> though it. It should be a lot more, but I don't enjoy shooting guns that
TR> frustrate the hell out of me like this one does.

TR> Any ideas?
TR> <http://geo.yahoo.
<http://geo.yahoo.
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=121893/grpspId=1705069100/msgId=
> com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=121893/grpspId=1705069100/msgId=
> com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=121893/grpspId=1705069100/msgId=
TR> 20836/stime=1210204845/nc1=4767086/nc2=3848607/nc3=5349281>

TR> -Tim

TR> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

All things are possible I suppose, but I haven't experienced this with any
of my other handguns. I shoot right handed, and when I get tired, I tend to
'pull' to the right rather than 'push' to the left. I will definitely see if
I can put it on a rest when I take it to the range this week though. The
weakest link in the system is probably the shooter, so I might as well rule
that out as a possibility.

   _____

From: M-1911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
TRB
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:45 PM
To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Problems with a Colt Gold Cup



Are you sure this isn't a shooter fatigue issue? There would have to be
something seriously wrong with the barrel, slide, bushing, or all three to
cause a HUGE deviation like that at 25 feet. If it is the gun, I'm 90% sure
the only solution is to fit a new barrel. Get it heated up until it starts
to drift then put it in a machine rest or have someone else shoot it.

-TRB

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Rahto
To: M-1911@yahoogroups. <mailto:M-1911%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: [M-1911] Problems with a Colt Gold Cup

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You know, you raise a good question here and I am not sure of the answer.
This is going to require some additional testing to see if heat or dirt is
the culprit. I will see if I can sneak off to the range a couple of nights
this week for some tests. I figure I will put a hundred rounds through it
one night to dirty it up and then fire some through it again on a second
night without a cleaning in between. I will report back with the results in
a few days.

-Tim





You did not exactly spell it out, but I am assuming it drifts as it
heats up? Or does it drift with accumulation of whatever you are
removing when cleaning it, since that seems to bring it back on
target?
My first thought is that the barrel is under stress when locked up,
and this would probably show by the hood leaning against one side of
the guides in the breech. As it warms up the chamber moves slightly
to one side. Regards, Jack F
=============================
Are only the Police entitled to defend themselves with a handgun?
<http://www.gunsmith <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com> .fuselier.com> East
Texas

Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:46:25 AM, you wrote:

TR> I've got a Colt Gold Cup with a bit of a problem. It seems as though it
TR> starts to lose its point of impact after about 50 - 75 rounds or so, and
TR> gradually starts to shoot more to the left. Groups that start out dead
on
TR> eventually migrate out to the edge of the 8 ring at 25 feet. A routine
field
TR> stripping doesn't show anything out of the ordinary. After it is
cleaned, it
TR> will again shoot dead on for a while and then begin to creep out to the
TR> left. The gun was bought new in 2005, and probably has about 1000 rounds
TR> though it. It should be a lot more, but I don't enjoy shooting guns that
TR> frustrate the hell out of me like this one does.

TR> Any ideas?
TR> <http://geo.yahoo.
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=121893/grpspId=1705069100/msgId=
> com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=121893/grpspId=1705069100/msgId=
TR> 20836/stime=1210204845/nc1=4767086/nc2=3848607/nc3=5349281>

TR> -Tim


TR> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Are you sure this isn't a shooter fatigue issue?  There would have to be
something seriously wrong with the barrel, slide, bushing, or all three to cause
a HUGE deviation like that at 25 feet. If it is the gun, I'm 90% sure the only
solution is to fit a new barrel.  Get it heated up until it starts to drift then
put it in a machine rest or have someone else shoot it.

-TRB

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Tim Rahto
   To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:46 AM
   Subject: [M-1911] Problems with a Colt Gold Cup





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

As far as I know, all Series 70 pistols including S70
   Gold Cups were originally assembled with the finger
   bushing.  Because there was a lot of controversy about
   the reliability of those, they were often replaced
   after market with the solid National Match bushing.

   Before the Gold Cup, the top of the line was the
   National Match pistol.  Later it became the S70
   Gold Cup National Match.  Pre '68 Nat'l Match
   pistols in good shape  bring a premium price.

   Can you tell if the barrel hood rides along one side
   of the breech guides when locking up?
      regards, Jack F
                   =============================
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                <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com> East Texas


Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 10:40:26 AM, you wrote:

JC> I am not exactly familiar with the old Gold Cups, but does that have a solid
JC> bushing or a collet one?

JC> Jack is much more experienced than me, listen to him.
JC> --------------

JC> John Caradimas
JC> The M1911 Pistols Organization
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JC> -----Original Message-----
JC> From: M-1911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
JC> Jack F
JC> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:59 PM
JC> To: Tim Rahto
JC> Subject: Re: [M-1911] Problems with a Colt Gold Cup


JC>  You did not exactly spell it out, but I am assuming it drifts as it
JC>  heats up?  Or does it drift with accumulation of whatever you are
JC>  removing when cleaning it, since that seems to bring it back on
JC>  target?
JC>  My first thought is that the barrel is under stress when locked up,
JC>  and this would probably show by the hood leaning against one side of
JC>  the guides in the breech.  As it warms up the chamber moves slightly
JC>  to one side.  Regards, Jack F
JC>                   =============================
JC>      Are only the Police entitled to defend themselves with a handgun?
JC>                <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com> East Texas


JC> Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:46:25 AM, you wrote:

TR>> I've got a Colt Gold Cup with a bit of a problem. It seems as though it
TR>> starts to lose its point of impact after about 50 - 75 rounds or so, and
TR>> gradually starts to shoot more to the left. Groups that start out dead
JC> on
TR>> eventually migrate out to the edge of the 8 ring at 25 feet. A routine
JC> field
TR>> stripping doesn't show anything out of the ordinary. After it is
JC> cleaned, it
TR>> will again shoot dead on for a while and then begin to creep out to the
TR>> left. The gun was bought new in 2005, and probably has about 1000 rounds
TR>> though it. It should be a lot more, but I don't enjoy shooting guns that
TR>> frustrate the hell out of me like this one does.

TR>> Any ideas?
TR>>
JC> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=121893/grpspId=1705069100/msgId=
TR>> 20836/stime=1210204845/nc1=4767086/nc2=3848607/nc3=5349281>

TR>> -Tim



TR>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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I am not exactly familiar with the old Gold Cups, but does that have a solid
bushing or a collet one?

Jack is much more experienced than me, listen to him.
--------------

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The M1911 Pistols Organization
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-----Original Message-----
From: M-1911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jack F
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:59 PM
To: Tim Rahto
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Problems with a Colt Gold Cup


  You did not exactly spell it out, but I am assuming it drifts as it
  heats up?  Or does it drift with accumulation of whatever you are
  removing when cleaning it, since that seems to bring it back on
  target?
  My first thought is that the barrel is under stress when locked up,
  and this would probably show by the hood leaning against one side of
  the guides in the breech.  As it warms up the chamber moves slightly
  to one side.  Regards, Jack F
                   =============================
      Are only the Police entitled to defend themselves with a handgun?
                <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com> East Texas


Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:46:25 AM, you wrote:

TR> I've got a Colt Gold Cup with a bit of a problem. It seems as though it
TR> starts to lose its point of impact after about 50 - 75 rounds or so, and
TR> gradually starts to shoot more to the left. Groups that start out dead
on
TR> eventually migrate out to the edge of the 8 ring at 25 feet. A routine
field
TR> stripping doesn't show anything out of the ordinary. After it is
cleaned, it
TR> will again shoot dead on for a while and then begin to creep out to the
TR> left. The gun was bought new in 2005, and probably has about 1000 rounds
TR> though it. It should be a lot more, but I don't enjoy shooting guns that
TR> frustrate the hell out of me like this one does.

TR> Any ideas?
TR>
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=121893/grpspId=1705069100/msgId=
TR> 20836/stime=1210204845/nc1=4767086/nc2=3848607/nc3=5349281>

TR> -Tim



TR> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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You did not exactly spell it out, but I am assuming it drifts as it
  heats up?  Or does it drift with accumulation of whatever you are
  removing when cleaning it, since that seems to bring it back on
  target?
  My first thought is that the barrel is under stress when locked up,
  and this would probably show by the hood leaning against one side of
  the guides in the breech.  As it warms up the chamber moves slightly
  to one side.  Regards, Jack F
                   =============================
      Are only the Police entitled to defend themselves with a handgun?
                <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com> East Texas


Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:46:25 AM, you wrote:

TR> I've got a Colt Gold Cup with a bit of a problem. It seems as though it
TR> starts to lose its point of impact after about 50 - 75 rounds or so, and
TR> gradually starts to shoot more to the left. Groups that start out dead on
TR> eventually migrate out to the edge of the 8 ring at 25 feet. A routine field
TR> stripping doesn't show anything out of the ordinary. After it is cleaned, it
TR> will again shoot dead on for a while and then begin to creep out to the
TR> left. The gun was bought new in 2005, and probably has about 1000 rounds
TR> though it. It should be a lot more, but I don't enjoy shooting guns that
TR> frustrate the hell out of me like this one does.

TR> Any ideas?
TR> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=121893/grpspId=1705069100/msgId=
TR> 20836/stime=1210204845/nc1=4767086/nc2=3848607/nc3=5349281>

TR> -Tim



TR> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've got a Colt Gold Cup with a bit of a problem. It seems as though it
starts to lose its point of impact after about 50 - 75 rounds or so, and
gradually starts to shoot more to the left. Groups that start out dead on
eventually migrate out to the edge of the 8 ring at 25 feet. A routine field
stripping doesn't show anything out of the ordinary. After it is cleaned, it
will again shoot dead on for a while and then begin to creep out to the
left. The gun was bought new in 2005, and probably has about 1000 rounds
though it. It should be a lot more, but I don't enjoy shooting guns that
frustrate the hell out of me like this one does.

Any ideas?
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=121893/grpspId=1705069100/msgId=
20836/stime=1210204845/nc1=4767086/nc2=3848607/nc3=5349281>

-Tim



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The base does screw off.  It is very annoying, but not impossible, to reassemble
it.  Be sure to protect your eyes.  It may or may not be staked.  Use a drop of
GREEN (very low strength, weakest they make) Loctite on it if you do not wish to
restake it.

-TRB

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: David Hoobler
   To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:17 PM
   Subject: Re: Re[2]: [M-1911] Kimber Ultra carry recoil spring


   I decided to invoke the age old engineering principle: "If it ain't broke,
don't fix it". I left the inner spring and replaced the outer spring. That, and
a new sear spring thinly coated with RIG, and I called it a night.

   Regards,
   David Hoobler
   "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel
of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir Winston
Churchill

   ----- Original Message ----
   From: Jack F <gunsmith@...>
   To: David Hoobler <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:42:59 PM
   Subject: Re[2]: [M-1911] Kimber Ultra carry recoil spring

   Has to be a threaded joint somewhere if that reverse plug doesn't come
   off.<G> It didn't grow from a seed.<G> Regards, Jack F
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   <http://www.gunsmith .fuselier. com> East Texas

   Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:31:23 PM, you wrote:

   DH> Not that I can tell. It is an Ultra carry. The guide rod is about two
   inches long. The inner spring is under a reverse plug.

   DH> Regards,
   DH> David Hoobler
   DH> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir
Winston Churchill

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I decided to invoke the age old engineering principle: "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it".  I left the inner spring and replaced the outer spring.  That, and a
new sear spring thinly coated with RIG, and I called it a night.

  Regards,
David Hoobler
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of
envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir Winston
Churchill





----- Original Message ----
From: Jack F <gunsmith@...>
To: David Hoobler <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:42:59 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [M-1911] Kimber Ultra carry recoil spring


Has to be a threaded joint somewhere if that reverse plug doesn't come
off.<G>  It didn't grow from a seed.<G>    Regards, Jack F
------
Are only the Police entitled to self defense with a firearm?
<http://www.gunsmith .fuselier. com> East Texas



Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:31:23 PM, you wrote:

DH> Not that I can tell.  It is an Ultra carry.  The guide rod is about two
inches long.  The inner spring is under a reverse plug.

DH>  Regards,
DH> David Hoobler
DH> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir
Winston Churchill






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It looks like the base may screw off.

  Regards,
David Hoobler
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of
envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir Winston
Churchill





----- Original Message ----
From: Jack F <gunsmith@...>
To: David Hoobler <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:42:59 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [M-1911] Kimber Ultra carry recoil spring


Has to be a threaded joint somewhere if that reverse plug doesn't come
off.<G>  It didn't grow from a seed.<G>    Regards, Jack F
------
Are only the Police entitled to self defense with a firearm?
<http://www.gunsmith .fuselier. com> East Texas



Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:31:23 PM, you wrote:

DH> Not that I can tell.  It is an Ultra carry.  The guide rod is about two
inches long.  The inner spring is under a reverse plug.

DH>  Regards,
DH> David Hoobler
DH> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir
Winston Churchill






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Has to be a threaded joint somewhere if that reverse plug doesn't come
off.<G>  It didn't grow from a seed.<G>    Regards, Jack F
               ------
   Are only the Police entitled to self defense with a firearm?
        <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com> East Texas



   Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:31:23 PM, you wrote:

   DH> Not that I can tell.  It is an Ultra carry.  The guide rod is about two
inches long.  The inner spring is under a reverse plug.

DH>  Regards,
DH> David Hoobler
DH> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir
Winston Churchill

Not that I can tell.  It is an Ultra carry.  The guide rod is about two inches
long.  The inner spring is under a reverse plug.

  Regards,
David Hoobler
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of
envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir Winston
Churchill





----- Original Message ----
From: Jack F <gunsmith@...>
To: David Hoobler <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Kimber Ultra carry recoil spring


It doesn't have a threaded joint in the middle?     Regards, Jack F
------
Are only the Police entitled to self defense with a firearm?
<http://www.gunsmith .fuselier. com> East Texas



Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:06:47 PM, you wrote:

DH> The Kimber Ultra Carry has two recoil springs.  The inner spring is captured
on the guide rod.  I just got new recoil springs from Wolff.  Does anyone know
how to get the guide rod apart to
DH> replace the inner spring?

DH>  Regards,
DH> David Hoobler
DH> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir
Winston Churchill

DH> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It doesn't have a threaded joint in the middle?     Regards, Jack F
               ------
   Are only the Police entitled to self defense with a firearm?
        <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com> East Texas



   Monday, July 21, 2008, 9:06:47 PM, you wrote:

   DH> The Kimber Ultra Carry has two recoil springs.  The inner spring is
captured on the guide rod.  I just got new recoil springs from Wolff.  Does
anyone know how to get the guide rod apart to
DH> replace the inner spring?

DH>  Regards,
DH> David Hoobler
DH> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir
Winston Churchill




DH> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The Kimber Ultra Carry has two recoil springs.  The inner spring is captured on
the guide rod.  I just got new recoil springs from Wolff.  Does anyone know how
to get the guide rod apart to replace the inner spring?

  Regards,
David Hoobler
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of
envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir Winston
Churchill




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for the reply.  BTW, the plating job you did on my S&W still looks like
it day the day I got it back from you.  That was a superb job.

  Regards,
David Hoobler
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of
envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir Winston
Churchill





----- Original Message ----
From: Jack F <gunsmith@...>
To: David Hoobler <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:55:25 PM
Subject: Re: [M-1911] Rusty sear springs


Dave, wash it with soap and water to remove any chemical that made it rust.
then wipe it with grease.  I usually find that there is some chemical, salt
or acid etc that acts as an oxidizer or collects moisture and starts rust.
Regards, Jack F
------
Are only the Police entitled to self defense with a firearm?
<http://www.gunsmith .fuselier. com> East Texas



Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:44:59 PM, you wrote:

DH> I took apart my Kimber SS Ultra Carry and found a lot of rust on the sear
spring.  I ordered a new sear spring from Wolfe.  Does anyone know how to
prevent rust on the sear spring to begin with?

DH>  Regards,
DH> David Hoobler
DH> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir
Winston Churchill

DH> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dave, wash it with soap and water to remove any chemical that made it rust.
then wipe it with grease.  I usually find that there is some chemical, salt
or acid etc that acts as an oxidizer or collects moisture and starts rust.
        Regards, Jack F
               ------
   Are only the Police entitled to self defense with a firearm?
        <http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com> East Texas



   Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:44:59 PM, you wrote:

   DH> I took apart my Kimber SS Ultra Carry and found a lot of rust on the sear
spring.  I ordered a new sear spring from Wolfe.  Does anyone know how to
prevent rust on the sear spring to begin with?

DH>  Regards,
DH> David Hoobler
DH> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir
Winston Churchill




DH> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I took apart my Kimber SS Ultra Carry and found a lot of rust on the sear
spring.  I ordered a new sear spring from Wolfe.  Does anyone know how to
prevent rust on the sear spring to begin with?

  Regards,
David Hoobler
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of
envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Sir Winston
Churchill




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I will have my cell phone also, and will give you my number as well.

Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Caradimas" <sv1cec@...>
To: <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives


> Email me for my cell number, if I am in Athens during that period, we'll
> have some ouzo together.
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: M-1911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com]
>> On Behalf Of Sam
>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:21 PM
>> To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives
>>
>> Good decision.  There are an infinite number of other venues
>> to discuss that
>> stuff.
>>
>> By the way John, I am still coming to Athens in August.
>> Should be there
>> Sunday the 24th, and again on Friday the 29th.
>>
>> Sam
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Caradimas" <sv1cec@...>
>> To: <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:39 AM
>> Subject: RE: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives
>>
>>
>> > The member who send that message is already banned.
>> >
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>> >
>> > John Caradimas
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: M-1911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com]
>> >> On Behalf Of Spike-66
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:04 PM
>> >> To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives
>> >>
>> >> I've seen these quotes before and did a check.  It's about
>> >> 50/50.  Some are true, some are taken out of context, others
>> >> are just false.  Check out truthorfiction.com or snopes.com
>> >> before posting stuff like this.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----
>> >> From: Jack F <gunsmith@...>
>> >> To: Peter Ackermann <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:46:43 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Peter, have you personally verified these quotes?
>> >> Without page numbers they are suspicious.
>> >> Regards, Jack F
>> >> ------
>> >> Are only the Police entitled to self defense with a firearm?
>> >> <http://www.gunsmith .fuselier. com> East Texas
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 11:03:52 PM, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> PA> *_Below are a few lines from Obama's books; In his words!_*
>> >> PA>      q    a
>> >>
>> >> PA> *_From Dreams of My Father:_* 'I ceased to advertise my
>> >> mother's race at
>> >> PA> the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by
>> >> doing so I was
>> >> PA> ingratiating myself to whites.'
>> >> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father :_* 'I found a solace in
>> >> nursing a pervasive
>> >> PA> sense of grievance and animosityagainst my mother's race.'
>> >> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father:_* 'There was something about
>> >> him that made
>> >> PA> me wary, a little too sure ofhimself, maybe. And white.'
>> >> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father:_*  'It remained necessary to
>> >> prove which
>> >> PA> side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black
>> >> masses, to strike
>> >> PA> out and name names.'
>> >> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father:_* 'I never emulate white men
>> >> and brown men
>> >> PA> whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my
>> >> father's image, the
>> >> PA> black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the
>> >> attributes I sought
>> >> PA> in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois
>> >> and Mandela.'
>> >>
>> >> PA> And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!
>> >>
>> >> PA> *_From Audacity of Hope:_* 'I will stand with the Muslims
>> >> should the
>> >> PA> political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
>> >>
>> >> PA>  /* If you have never forwarded an e-mail, now is the
>> >> time to Do so!!!!
>> >> PA> We CANNOT have someone
>> >> PA> with this type of mentality running our GREAT nation!!  I
>> >> don't care
>> >> PA> whether you a Democrat or
>> >> PA> a Conservative. We CANNOT turn ourselves over to this
>> >> type of character
>> >> PA> in a President. PLEASE
>> >> PA> help spread the word!/
>> >>
>> >> PA> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: M-1911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Sam
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:21 PM
> To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives
>
> Good decision.  There are an infinite number of other venues
> to discuss that
> stuff.
>
> By the way John, I am still coming to Athens in August.
> Should be there
> Sunday the 24th, and again on Friday the 29th.
>
> Sam
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Caradimas" <sv1cec@...>
> To: <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:39 AM
> Subject: RE: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives
>
>
> > The member who send that message is already banned.
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> > John Caradimas
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> > http://www.m1911.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: M-1911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Spike-66
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:04 PM
> >> To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives
> >>
> >> I've seen these quotes before and did a check.  It's about
> >> 50/50.  Some are true, some are taken out of context, others
> >> are just false.  Check out truthorfiction.com or snopes.com
> >> before posting stuff like this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Jack F <gunsmith@...>
> >> To: Peter Ackermann <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:46:43 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter, have you personally verified these quotes?
> >> Without page numbers they are suspicious.
> >> Regards, Jack F
> >> ------
> >> Are only the Police entitled to self defense with a firearm?
> >> <http://www.gunsmith .fuselier. com> East Texas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 11:03:52 PM, you wrote:
> >>
> >> PA> *_Below are a few lines from Obama's books; In his words!_*
> >> PA>      q    a
> >>
> >> PA> *_From Dreams of My Father:_* 'I ceased to advertise my
> >> mother's race at
> >> PA> the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by
> >> doing so I was
> >> PA> ingratiating myself to whites.'
> >> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father :_* 'I found a solace in
> >> nursing a pervasive
> >> PA> sense of grievance and animosityagainst my mother's race.'
> >> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father:_* 'There was something about
> >> him that made
> >> PA> me wary, a little too sure ofhimself, maybe. And white.'
> >> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father:_*  'It remained necessary to
> >> prove which
> >> PA> side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black
> >> masses, to strike
> >> PA> out and name names.'
> >> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father:_* 'I never emulate white men
> >> and brown men
> >> PA> whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my
> >> father's image, the
> >> PA> black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the
> >> attributes I sought
> >> PA> in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois
> >> and Mandela.'
> >>
> >> PA> And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!
> >>
> >> PA> *_From Audacity of Hope:_* 'I will stand with the Muslims
> >> should the
> >> PA> political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
> >>
> >> PA>  /* If you have never forwarded an e-mail, now is the
> >> time to Do so!!!!
> >> PA> We CANNOT have someone
> >> PA> with this type of mentality running our GREAT nation!!  I
> >> don't care
> >> PA> whether you a Democrat or
> >> PA> a Conservative. We CANNOT turn ourselves over to this
> >> type of character
> >> PA> in a President. PLEASE
> >> PA> help spread the word!/
> >>
> >> PA> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
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Good decision.  There are an infinite number of other venues to discuss that
stuff.

By the way John, I am still coming to Athens in August.  Should be there
Sunday the 24th, and again on Friday the 29th.

Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Caradimas" <sv1cec@...>
To: <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives


> The member who send that message is already banned.
>
> No political discussions allowed in this list.
>
> --------------
>
> John Caradimas
> The M1911 Pistols Organization
> http://www.m1911.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: M-1911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:M-1911@yahoogroups.com]
>> On Behalf Of Spike-66
>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:04 PM
>> To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives
>>
>> I've seen these quotes before and did a check.  It's about
>> 50/50.  Some are true, some are taken out of context, others
>> are just false.  Check out truthorfiction.com or snopes.com
>> before posting stuff like this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jack F <gunsmith@...>
>> To: Peter Ackermann <M-1911@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:46:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [M-1911] Pass the word, Forward To Friends & Relatives
>>
>>
>> Peter, have you personally verified these quotes?
>> Without page numbers they are suspicious.
>> Regards, Jack F
>> ------
>> Are only the Police entitled to self defense with a firearm?
>> <http://www.gunsmith .fuselier. com> East Texas
>>
>>
>>
>> Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 11:03:52 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> PA> *_Below are a few lines from Obama's books; In his words!_*
>> PA>      q    a
>>
>> PA> *_From Dreams of My Father:_* 'I ceased to advertise my
>> mother's race at
>> PA> the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by
>> doing so I was
>> PA> ingratiating myself to whites.'
>> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father :_* 'I found a solace in
>> nursing a pervasive
>> PA> sense of grievance and animosityagainst my mother's race.'
>> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father:_* 'There was something about
>> him that made
>> PA> me wary, a little too sure ofhimself, maybe. And white.'
>> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father:_*  'It remained necessary to
>> prove which
>> PA> side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black
>> masses, to strike
>> PA> out and name names.'
>> PA>  *_From Dreams of My Father:_* 'I never emulate white men
>> and brown men
>> PA> whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my
>> father's image, the
>> PA> black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the
>> attributes I sought
>> PA> in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois
>> and Mandela.'
>>
>> PA> And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!
>>
>> PA> *_From Audacity of Hope:_* 'I will stand with the Muslims
>> should the
>> PA> political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
>>
>> PA>  /* If you have never forwarded an e-mail, now is the
>> time to Do so!!!!
>> PA> We CANNOT have someone
>> PA> with this type of mentality running our GREAT nation!!  I
>> don't care
>> PA> whether you a Democrat or
>> PA> a Conservative. We CANNOT turn ourselves over to this
>> type of character
>> PA> in a President. PLEASE
>> PA> help spread the word!/
>>
>> PA> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
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