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Re: Problems with a Colt Gold Cup

TRB
If I may, Ill explain myself little more in depth. Having this piece of steel
for 10 plus years, I have ran approx. 30,000+ rounds through her. And shes been
in every climate and place where ever I take my gun. Except Iraq and Afgan of
course. Now about the link, I took my Gold Cup to my well trusted gunsmith and
asked for a tune up since the work that was last done was just after the
purchase about 14 years ago. I told him about the mods I performed under
watchful experienced eyes and he rogered up with theres no tue up nessesary.
Now, he pointed out about the slight looseness at the breach. We broke her down
and he knew exactly what was wrong. We measured the link and you can tell I have
abused this soul saver to much. The measurements came started with the original
link from Colt, .281, the edges were somewhat round and smooth. We reviewed shop
books, found the sizes, double checke our info, put her back together, did a
firing pin/ primer indent test and were sitting center.
A slight bounce like this "could", "will", or "will not" add an inch or 2 to
your group. So taking that chance the option was offered to only go to a #4
link, .283 and I took it. After the install ran some rubbing test and she fit
snug. Ran another firing pin/ primer tent test and the impact was .021 inches
off center. If curious, I just competed in a local man on man steel shoot here
in Las Vegas, running well over 200+ rounds and not a single problem.

Im sorry to bore everyone with my rambling, but I though I should lay out more
of the details. And thank you for putting up with me..

Be safe,
MarSOC W

--- In M-1911@yahoogroups.com, "TRB" <TRB@...> wrote:
>
> I can't agree with your second suggestion. Putting a longer link in a 1911
without refitting the barrel, can, if the link ends up too long, cause any or
all of the following:
> 1: Link failure
> 2: Slide stop failure
> 3: Lower barrel locking lug failure
> 4: Impaction of the upper lugs and
> 5: Subsequent peening of the upper barrel locking lugs and/or their matching
slots in the slide.
>
> Manufacturing tolerances dictate that most all factory assembled 1911s have
completely wrong lower lug geometry, and trying to crutch that by fiddling with
the link is only going to compromise the reliability and longevity of the
weapon.
>
> -TRB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: andreww
> To: M-1911@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:45 PM
> Subject: [M-1911] Re: Problems with a Colt Gold Cup
>
>
> Tim
> I just joined here and noticed gold cup problem. No I did not read all of
the replys and I am a Gold Cup Owner of 14 years. Few things I do know that will
help improve function as well as accuracy, is get a (1) full cylender barrel
bushing, (2) with the slide forward in a forward locked position press down on
the throat (chamber area) of the barrel. If you get any play and I mean any, it
would be suggested that you get a 1 size bigger then your current barrel link.
>
> The reason I know this is because I remember my new 1911 out of the box
shoot a horrorable 7 inch group at 25 yds. I prformed the mentioned above,
tightened the slide to the frame and did a nice trigger job while I was at it
and tightene my group down to 3-4 inches.
>
> Hope this all helps and if youve done this, cool... be safe.
>
> MarSOC Wick
>
> --- In M-1911@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Rahto" <tim@> wrote:
> >
> > I've got a Colt Gold Cup with a bit of a problem. It seems as though it
> > starts to lose its point of impact after about 50 - 75 rounds or so, and
> > gradually starts to shoot more to the left. Groups that start out dead on
> > eventually migrate out to the edge of the 8 ring at 25 feet. A routine
field
> > stripping doesn't show anything out of the ordinary. After it is cleaned,
it
> > will again shoot dead on for a while and then begin to creep out to the
> > left. The gun was bought new in 2005, and probably has about 1000 rounds
> > though it. It should be a lot more, but I don't enjoy shooting guns that
> > frustrate the hell out of me like this one does.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
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> > 20836/stime=1210204845/nc1=4767086/nc2=3848607/nc3=5349281>
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:51 pm

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I can't agree with your second suggestion. Putting a longer link in a 1911 without refitting the barrel, can, if the link ends up too long, cause any or all...
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Sep 21, 2009
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TRB If I may, Ill explain myself little more in depth. Having this piece of steel for 10 plus years, I have ran approx. 30,000+ rounds through her. And shes...
andreww
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Sep 21, 2009
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This is an interesting letter, and all I can say about it is that it shows how pervasive is the mistaken theory that the link is what holds up the barrel while...
Jack F
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Sep 21, 2009
5:57 pm

Well, it all depends on the pistol. Most mass produced pistols use the link to lock the barrel. To check it out, with the slide in battery (i.e. forward) press...
John Caradimas
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Sep 21, 2009
6:30 pm

Yes, John, the pistol will work that way. No argument there, except that a solid engagement with the top lugs is better when the barrel is held up by the...
Jack F
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Sep 21, 2009
8:19 pm

Jack, that's what I said, isn't it? But I have to admit you lost me towards the end. Whom are you referring to with the last paragraph, shown below? ... John...
John Caradimas
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Sep 21, 2009
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Sorry, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, John, certainly not you because you had already stated your case. Earlier the idea was inferred that the...
Jack F
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Sep 22, 2009
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What John just said is exactly what I meant when I said almost all mass produced pistols have wrong lower lug geometry. And Jack F even gave the link too much...
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I wouldn't go quite that far myself, TRB. I do think that the link helps to lift the barrel to slide up on the cross shaft, but it should not be what...
Jack F
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Sep 22, 2009
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... Let me clarify one thing: The barrel starts moving the same moment the bullet starts moving. So it has moved a little before the bullet exits, but that...
John Caradimas
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Sep 22, 2009
5:48 am

John's point can be shown by the law of conservation of momentum. Before the gun fires. it has a velocity of zero, and hence, zero momentum. The momentum of...
David Hoobler
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Sep 22, 2009
12:29 pm

John, sorry, I may have not been clear about just what initially moves. Rearward movement of the barrel in the slide towards unlocking can NEVER begin until...
Jack F
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Sep 23, 2009
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5PHkv3f-9U Regards, David Hoobler “Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.” - Benjamin Franklin...
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This is one of Tripp videos. We have all these in our sites. ... John Caradimas sv1cec@......
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Thanks David. That's a great little movie, and the first youtube video that I thought was worth a damn.<G> That should settle any argument about when the...
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