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#907 From: "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@...>
Date: Tue May 5, 2009 1:05 am
Subject: Karma
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#905 From: "cleefire" <cleefire@...>
Date: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:27 pm
Subject: Joe's class
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Hey everyone just wanted let you know that Joe is back in town and he will be
teaching tonight at Tom's school.

Class starts at 6:30pm

Chris Firebaugh

#904 From: Erik Harris <erik@...>
Date: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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On 4/22/2009 11:24 AM, David wrote:
> and nothing more was written on if he had returned to New York.  I
> mean no offense to anyone and deeply apologize if I have caused any
> confusion or ill will on anything I've said.

No worries, David.  I can't imagine anyone being offended by you not
knowing Sifu Galvin's location. :)

> Don't know if they are still there, but I've read that Carl Spitale's
> student, Sifu Lenny Howie, has a cousin, Tony Laughlin, who teaches
> out of his home in Tampa, Florida...kinda far from the panhandle, but

I know of a number of people teaching related arts in parts of Florida
well away from the panhandle.  Unfortunately, these aren't really
options for my student who is moving down there.  He's not nearly far
enough along in his training that he'd be willing to travel 400+ miles.
  He trained with me for a few months, was deployed to Afghanistan, and
came back for a few weeks before leaving the area.

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Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA

#903 From: "David" <nwclassof316@...>
Date: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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Sorry if some of my information is flawed, I mostly retrieve information from
other sources online; out here in the midwest, not too many sources I can go to
directly.  Last I had heard in terms of written information, Sifu Galvin had
moved to Florida in the 70's, and nothing more was written on if he had returned
to New York.  I mean no offense to anyone and deeply apologize if I have caused
any confusion or ill will on anything I've said.

Don't know if they are still there, but I've read that Carl Spitale's student,
Sifu Lenny Howie, has a cousin, Tony Laughlin, who teaches out of his home in
Tampa, Florida...kinda far from the panhandle, but closer than anything else
I've been able to find.  Another of Sifu Howie's students, Chris Derbaum,
teaches in Fort Myers, FL.  I unfortunately don't have any contact information
on them, but hopefully, someone else here does.  However, I do not know if they
teach Liu Seong Royal Kung Fu, or just a variation.

If I'm stepping on any toes or traditions not presently known to me, just send a
message, and I will cease.  Members of our school did not know of our relation
to Liu Seong Royal Kung Fu until recently, as we follow a deep tradition of not
being allowed to ask questions, unless our Sifu feels we deserve to know.
-David

--- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com, Erik Harris <erik@...> wrote:
>
> On 4/21/2009 9:14 AM, David wrote:
> > If memory serves, the closest school of any relation to Liu Seong
> > Gung Fu in the Pan Handle would be a Kuntao school in Tarpon Springs:
> > don't remember the Instructor's info off the top of my head, but I
> > think his name is Jose Moratalla (a student of Guy Savelli).  Is Sifu
> > Galvin still in Florida?
>
> Thanks David.
>
> Was Sifu Galvin ever in Florida?  I've always known him to be in the
> Rochester, NY area, and I haven't heard anything about him leaving.  If
> he lived in FL, I'm guessing it was quite some time ago.
>
> --
>
> Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
> Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA
>

#902 From: David Van Roeyen <nwclassof316@...>
Date: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:20 am
Subject: Re: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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Thanks for the info, Mr. Reeders; I'll adjust my notes.  Definitely don't want to go to a place with that type of attitude present.
-David

--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Willem Reeders <wreeders@...> wrote:

From: Willem Reeders <wreeders@...>
Subject: Re: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 3:47 PM

I talked to that dude when I was in Tarpon Springs on the phone. I was painting bridges at the time with the Greeks and I called. He told me on the phone he didnt know nothin about nothin when it came to Liu Siong Gung-Fu. I remember not wanting to go to the place after the phone call. Just more bullshit." Im teaching" kind of attitude. There is no Kun Tao dude!
Theres a school at 9th and 16th ave. I went to in St.Petersburge. This dudes a 12 degree Shoulin Master! Talked to him too. Didnt know nothin about nothin. Im shure he is good at what he does but where did all these Shoulin masters come from? I caint think of enyone who actually wants to be a Shoulin master let alone know of enyone who actually is. Than theres that "Shoulin Kung-Fu School" in Albuquerque. The only school in New Mexico with an actual Shoulin master.They got the Hollywood modern Chaki-Chan version. Nobady even knows enything about history and people believe in thier lies. Well I guess if you get a good work out who cares eh?I met a guy in St. Petersburg that knew Tie Kick boxing. That was something. I ended up breaking his little finger when he got me in a back hold.It was an accedent.
  Well I lived in Florida for 12 years and I never heard of enyone there teaching Liu Siong Gung-Fu. And Im not going  to say nothin about Guy Savelli.Im shure he would love to meet my mom.She would let him have it.
  Well Im in Seattle and things are great. my boy is 19 and doing great. I tell him about his grandfather and how prowd he is. Im off to cause grief.
Willem Reeders Jr.


From: David <nwclassof316@ yahoo.com>
To: LiuSeongGungFu@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:14:00 AM
Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle

If memory serves, the closest school of any relation to Liu Seong Gung Fu in the Pan Handle would be a Kuntao school in Tarpon Springs: don't remember the Instructor's info off the top of my head, but I think his name is Jose Moratalla (a student of Guy Savelli). Is Sifu Galvin still in Florida?

--- In LiuSeongGungFu@ yahoogroups. com, "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@ ...> wrote:
>
> sorry to say, i do not. have'nt seen John-john since i was a teenager. perhaps someone here has Master C's number, or can link you up somehow.
>
> Peace.
>
>
>
> --- In LiuSeongGungFu@ yahoogroups. com, Erik Harris <erik@> wrote:
> >
> > On 4/14/2009 10:12 PM, jmichaelbarr wrote:
> > > That would be John-john. one of my old class instructors.
> >
> > Do you happen to have his contact info? Or Master Copeland's, for that
> > matter?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Erik Harris - http://www.kungfu- silat.com
> > Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA
> >
>




#901 From: Erik Harris <erik@...>
Date: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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On 4/21/2009 9:14 AM, David wrote:
> If memory serves, the closest school of any relation to Liu Seong
> Gung Fu in the Pan Handle would be a Kuntao school in Tarpon Springs:
> don't remember the Instructor's info off the top of my head, but I
> think his name is Jose Moratalla (a student of Guy Savelli).  Is Sifu
> Galvin still in Florida?

Thanks David.

Was Sifu Galvin ever in Florida?  I've always known him to be in the
Rochester, NY area, and I haven't heard anything about him leaving.  If
he lived in FL, I'm guessing it was quite some time ago.

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Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA

#900 From: Willem Reeders <wreeders@...>
Date: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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I talked to that dude when I was in Tarpon Springs on the phone. I was painting bridges at the time with the Greeks and I called. He told me on the phone he didnt know nothin about nothin when it came to Liu Siong Gung-Fu. I remember not wanting to go to the place after the phone call. Just more bullshit." Im teaching" kind of attitude. There is no Kun Tao dude!
Theres a school at 9th and 16th ave. I went to in St.Petersburge. This dudes a 12 degree Shoulin Master! Talked to him too. Didnt know nothin about nothin. Im shure he is good at what he does but where did all these Shoulin masters come from? I caint think of enyone who actually wants to be a Shoulin master let alone know of enyone who actually is. Than theres that "Shoulin Kung-Fu School" in Albuquerque. The only school in New Mexico with an actual Shoulin master.They got the Hollywood modern Chaki-Chan version. Nobady even knows enything about history and people believe in thier lies. Well I guess if you get a good work out who cares eh?I met a guy in St. Petersburg that knew Tie Kick boxing. That was something. I ended up breaking his little finger when he got me in a back hold.It was an accedent.
  Well I lived in Florida for 12 years and I never heard of enyone there teaching Liu Siong Gung-Fu. And Im not going  to say nothin about Guy Savelli.Im shure he would love to meet my mom.She would let him have it.
  Well Im in Seattle and things are great. my boy is 19 and doing great. I tell him about his grandfather and how prowd he is. Im off to cause grief.
Willem Reeders Jr.


From: David <nwclassof316@...>
To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:14:00 AM
Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle

If memory serves, the closest school of any relation to Liu Seong Gung Fu in the Pan Handle would be a Kuntao school in Tarpon Springs: don't remember the Instructor's info off the top of my head, but I think his name is Jose Moratalla (a student of Guy Savelli). Is Sifu Galvin still in Florida?

--- In LiuSeongGungFu@ yahoogroups. com, "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@ ...> wrote:
>
> sorry to say, i do not. have'nt seen John-john since i was a teenager. perhaps someone here has Master C's number, or can link you up somehow.
>
> Peace.
>
>
>
> --- In LiuSeongGungFu@ yahoogroups. com, Erik Harris <erik@> wrote:
> >
> > On 4/14/2009 10:12 PM, jmichaelbarr wrote:
> > > That would be John-john. one of my old class instructors.
> >
> > Do you happen to have his contact info? Or Master Copeland's, for that
> > matter?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Erik Harris - http://www.kungfu-silat.com
> > Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA
> >
>



#899 From: "David" <nwclassof316@...>
Date: Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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If memory serves, the closest school of any relation to Liu Seong Gung Fu in the
Pan Handle would be a Kuntao school in Tarpon Springs: don't remember the
Instructor's info off the top of my head, but I think his name is Jose Moratalla
(a student of Guy Savelli).  Is Sifu Galvin still in Florida?




--- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com, "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@...> wrote:
>
> sorry to say, i do not.  have'nt seen John-john since i was a teenager. 
perhaps someone here has Master C's number, or can link you up somehow.
>
> Peace.
>
>
>
> --- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com, Erik Harris <erik@> wrote:
> >
> > On 4/14/2009 10:12 PM, jmichaelbarr wrote:
> > > That would be John-john. one of my old class instructors.
> >
> > Do you happen to have his contact info?  Or Master Copeland's, for that
> > matter?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
> > Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA
> >
>

#898 From: "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@...>
Date: Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:06 am
Subject: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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Mr. Kane,

sitting here thinking about it brings back some memories.  grueling ones. 
John-john relished our little agonies....lol.  he never hurt us, but we sure did
get a work out.  I used to slip and fall in my own sweat, and had to resort to
keeping a towel with me when i trained.  I owe a great deal of flexibility to
those sessions, which i still retain to a great extent to this day, despite a
lack of regular stretching regimen.

my favorite(?) was when we would come to class expecting a half an hour or
fourty five minute warmup, and it would go on until the it was time to go home.

i would walk home feeling like a wet noodle.

Peace.

Mike.


--- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Kane" <nomorar@...> wrote:
>
> That's Right!  John John, He taught us for a long interval at Booker T in
> Erie.
> Nearly murdered us with his conditioning drills as I remember… Those were
> fine classes!
>
> IMK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jmichaelbarr
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 3:12 AM
> To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
>
>
>
>
>
> That would be John-john. one of my old class instructors.
>
> I think.
>
> Peace.
>
> --- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:LiuSeongGungFu%40yahoogroups.com> , "Michael Kane" <nomorar@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Master Copeland had an Orange Sash that moved to North Florida some years
> > back. You might query with him..
> >
> > Michael Kane
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:LiuSeongGungFu%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:LiuSeongGungFu%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of Erik Harris
> > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:02 PM
> > To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:LiuSeongGungFu%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] Instructors in Florida panhandle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > One of my students is moving to Panama City Beach, FL soon. I know our
> > family of systems has some instructors in Florida, but I don't know of
> > anyone that far northwest in the state. Are any of you aware of any
> > instructors near Panama City, FL?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Erik Harris - http://www.kungfu-silat.com <http://www.kungfu-silat.com>  <
> http://www.kungfu-silat.com <http://www.kungfu-silat.com> >
> > Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA
> >
>

#897 From: "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@...>
Date: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:41 am
Subject: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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sorry to say, i do not.  have'nt seen John-john since i was a teenager.  perhaps
someone here has Master C's number, or can link you up somehow.

Peace.



--- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com, Erik Harris <erik@...> wrote:
>
> On 4/14/2009 10:12 PM, jmichaelbarr wrote:
> > That would be John-john. one of my old class instructors.
>
> Do you happen to have his contact info?  Or Master Copeland's, for that
> matter?
>
> --
>
> Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
> Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA
>

#895 From: Erik Harris <erik@...>
Date: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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On 4/15/2009 4:57 PM, Michael Kane wrote:
> That’s Right!  John John, He taught us for a long interval at Booker T in
> Erie.
> Nearly murdered us with his conditioning drills as I remember… Those were
> fine classes!

For some reason, your messages are coming through as blank unless I
specifically tell my email client (Thunderbird) to display them as plain
text.  I've never seen this behavior from other people's messages.

--

Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA

#894 From: Erik Harris <erik@...>
Date: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:40 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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On 4/14/2009 10:12 PM, jmichaelbarr wrote:
> That would be John-john. one of my old class instructors.

Do you happen to have his contact info?  Or Master Copeland's, for that
matter?

--

Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA

#893 From: "Michael Kane" <nomorar@...>
Date: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:57 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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That would be John-john. one of my old class instructors.

I think.

Peace.

--- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Kane" <nomorar@...> wrote:
>
> Master Copeland had an Orange Sash that moved to North Florida some years
> back. You might query with him..
>
> Michael Kane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Erik Harris
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:02 PM
> To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] Instructors in Florida panhandle
>
>
>
>
>
> One of my students is moving to Panama City Beach, FL soon. I know our
> family of systems has some instructors in Florida, but I don't know of
> anyone that far northwest in the state. Are any of you aware of any
> instructors near Panama City, FL?
>
> --
>
> Erik Harris - http://www.kungfu-silat.com <http://www.kungfu-silat.com>
> Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA
>


#892 From: "George Reyngoudt" <acifa@...>
Date: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:00 am
Subject: Saturday Class
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Hey  ACIFA students and Tom's students and anyone interested,
 
 I will be at the Fairport school to teach class this Saturday April 18th.
Class will start at 10:30 and run to Noon.
See you then.
 
 
George Reyngoudt

#891 From: "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@...>
Date: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:42 am
Subject: Re: Pattern Imposition
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One thing my Teacher did extremely well, among others, was control the setup
when it came to doing techniques. He had this little offset from center that
pretty much killed any hope you had of hitting him. from there it didnt matter
how he chose to stop you, because you had already fallen into his trap.  flying
in wouldn't help, it would just get you hurt.  His timing, distance, and angle
was all 'one' thing and resulted in a most excellent control of the ground that
you both shared.

my Teacher didn't 'defend', he pulled you into a pattern of his choosing.  He
created the 'options' you had to counter or defend, and just as abruptly took
them away.  that's if he was in a good mood...:)

otherwise he preferred to shut everything down right away. it didnt really
matter what you tried to hit him with, it just wasn't going to happen.

many would say that because i am talking about my teacher, likely my experience
or view is tainted, or not objective.  it's true in many cases that students are
in awe of their teachers and as a result, perform attacks and responses in a
lackluster way with their instructors.  'compliant' i think they like to call
it.

while i agree in general with assertion, it is true in many cases, i am not
exactly the 'compliant' type, and only a semi-prodigal son. I
like to test the waters.  I've done a bit of that with my Teacher and all my
Seniors.  That is why i have the respect for them that i do.

now, i never took a for realz shot at my father, cause i knew he'd smoke me
faster than a blunt at a 50cent concert.

like they say, i might be dumb, but i aint stupid.

point is, the job was done before it started.  that was his fundamental
deception.

and you could say, well he had good distance control, but every style has
distance control, and they often vary considerably in their definition and use
of that.

TBC (it's late)

Peace.

Mike.














--- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com, "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@...> wrote:
>
>    Everyone's got an orientation, a particular way that they view life.  You
choose your focus points, and they determine what it is that is 'core' to your
world. Values are assigned, and they in turn dictate how you will respond to
what is occuring around you and 'to you'.  How you choose to influence events in
order to alter their course is based, essentially, on how you prioritize things.
Cycles of interaction and dependancy lead to patterns of all kinds.
>
>   obfuscating, bong-water philosophy aside, what this is saying is a
reflection of a remark often heard from GM Sikes.
>
> "Your mind makes your Reality".
>
>   Worldviews, and thus decisions, are based entirely on what you 'know to be
true', and thus, you define everything in 'it' (the world), accordingly. 
Including yourself.
>
>   There are a multitude of considerations that are inherent in the remarks
above, but i am really only interested in one particular slice of this whole
pie.
>
> INTROVERT AND EXTROVERT PROCESSING
>
>   When it comes to the martial arts, the 'ability' to 'make your own reality'
comes to the fore. There are two essential choices in when it comes to
'patterning' and response.
>
> Introvert processing is a mindset in which you allow the pattern of the
opponent to develop, which you then respond to in some manner.
>
> Extrovert processing is a mindset in which YOU seek to create the pattern of
interation which causes him to be the one to respond.
>
> in execution, the differences in these approaches are generally very subtle. 
a very simplified example would be seen in sparring where a very aggressive
fighter dictates the flow of movements, in various ways, against a defensive or
passive fighter.
>
>  the problem with that example is that Extroverted processing can play out in
a variety of ways, and doesnt have to be or appear to be overly dominant or
aggressive.  through manipulations of distance, posture, positioning, and
leverage you can control 'time and space' so as to impose a pattern (technique)
upon another.  'Psychology' is, of course, a major component of this, but it
goes without saying as the entire topic is 'Psychology'.
>
> the first defense in favor of Introverted processing is the very basic truth
that 'Martial Arts is for self defense'.  This statement is true in a particular
context.  Generally, if someone makes a committed attack to you, they will by
nature, expose themselves to a counter attack.  Somewhere a gate will open and
can be easily struck, provided you know the movement(s) needed to do so. 
Introverted processing, or 'waiting for him to complete or attempt his pattern'
seems quite viable for self defense.  He will try something, you will 'read' it,
and then nullify it one way or another.
>
> One essential flaw with this reasoning is found with a bit of martial
training.  although this strategy might work quite well with novice martial
artists or untrained attackers, it wont pan out so well with advanced
practitioners, because their movements are either based on or have a capacity
for deception.
>
> a pattern is initiated, and then changed, to throw off any attempt at a
counter.  'He zigged when he should have zagged...'
>
> the speed of this change-up or alteration of the attack is likely to catch one
unaware due to it's time, late in the advance, and from it's speed, which only
increases with each tenth and hundreth of a second.
>
> it is a natural function to extrapolate, or guess, the path something will
take, be it something as simple as a roundhouse kick.  but that simple, natural
tendancy is exactly what will be used against you in a deceptive approach to
fighting, which is the default mode for skilled fighters.
>
>
>
> Peace.
>
> Mike.
>

#890 From: "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@...>
Date: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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That would be John-john. one of my old class instructors.

I think.

Peace.



--- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Kane" <nomorar@...> wrote:
>
> Master Copeland had an Orange Sash that moved to North Florida some years
> back.  You might query with him..
>
> Michael Kane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Erik Harris
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:02 PM
> To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] Instructors in Florida panhandle
>
>
>
>
>
> One of my students is moving to Panama City Beach, FL soon. I know our
> family of systems has some instructors in Florida, but I don't know of
> anyone that far northwest in the state. Are any of you aware of any
> instructors near Panama City, FL?
>
> --
>
> Erik Harris - http://www.kungfu-silat.com <http://www.kungfu-silat.com>
> Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA
>

#889 From: "Michael Kane" <nomorar@...>
Date: Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:37 pm
Subject: RE: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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One of my students is moving to Panama City Beach, FL soon. I know our
family of systems has some instructors in Florida, but I don't know of
anyone that far northwest in the state. Are any of you aware of any
instructors near Panama City, FL?

--

Erik Harris - http://www.kungfu-silat.com
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA


#888 From: "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@...>
Date: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:08 am
Subject: Re: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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sorry for the delay.  it got caught in the spam filter, and i just now checked
it.




--- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com, Erik Harris <erik@...> wrote:
>
> One of my students is moving to Panama City Beach, FL soon.  I know our
> family of systems has some instructors in Florida, but I don't know of
> anyone that far northwest in the state.  Are any of you aware of any
> instructors near Panama City, FL?
>
> --
>
> Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
> Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA
>

#887 From: Erik Harris <erik@...>
Date: Sat Apr 4, 2009 2:02 pm
Subject: Instructors in Florida panhandle
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One of my students is moving to Panama City Beach, FL soon.  I know our
family of systems has some instructors in Florida, but I don't know of
anyone that far northwest in the state.  Are any of you aware of any
instructors near Panama City, FL?

--

Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA

#886 From: Clint Cross <crossc@...>
Date: Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:35 pm
Subject: Re:ACIFA 10 reasons why......
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Another reason I love the instruction from ACIFA,  as I was suffering thru a class of iaido and Kenjitsu this past weekend up in Canada, the Sensei was yelling at me, "longer stance Clint" & "Deeper stance Clint" .   Oy, my aching back.

I couldn't move on Sunday, I've been working half days this week due to terrible back pain.

Now at ACIFA, Sifu George would direct the floor drills and then qualify it with,  "But not you Clint".   Mr Joe too,  he looked out for me.  If I was trying to keep up with the rest of the class, I'd feel his gaze......... then he'd say, Clint what are you doing?

  George & Joe are looking out for me, those are the guys who really "got my back".

Clint



#885 From: "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@...>
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#884 From: "jmichaelbarr" <jmichaelbarr@...>
Date: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:28 am
Subject: Re: ACIFA
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George,

Sorry to hear that your school is closing.  It's been instrumental in many ways
to the growth of the Liu Seong family.  Though there are many schools of the
system throughout the country, yours was the highest profile, and was the scene
of many great seminars and meetings of all kinds.

There are many among us who can sit and reflect upon the experiences that we had
training in your hall.

At first, my thoughts where that we are indeed losing 'something' here.  It's
odd to think that if i follow my old route from buffalo to rochester, i wont
find your school waiting there for me.  So i can understand Erik's impulse to
rush 'home'.  It's not rash.  It's the end of an era.

And that's what makes the school, any school, what it is.  The people and their
energy coming together, and making something bigger than sum of it's parts.

I always found your school to be open and inviting, and your students always
carried themselves with decorum.  Exemplary, to be sure.

It might be the end of your school, but they do say an End is just a Beginning.

See you at Tom's.

Peace.

Mike.








--- In LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com, "George Reyngoudt" <acifa@...> wrote:
>
> Some sad new I have to relate to all.
> Due to finances and life's current situations at home, I am closing the
Academy of Chinese-Indonesian Fighting Arts at 80 Rockwood Place in Rochester,
NY.
> I will be teaching on Saturdays at Tom's school in Fairport, NY off and on
during the summer then regularly in September.
>
> Note to my student, you should continue your training at Tom's School.  He has
trained with me for many years and I have the utmost confedence in him and his
skill as a martial artist and teacher.  You will be in good hands.  Also I will
be keeping an eye on him and his school.
> Also Joe will be continue his Wednesday Advanced class when he gets back in
town next week.
>
> I want to give a warm and heart felt THANK YOU to all of you that have
supported ACIFA and also whose of you that have come to visit it us over the
years.   It has been a wonderful 25 years but on Tuesday, March 31st the last
class will be held at the school.
>
> I will continue to be training and involved in this art I love so much that
Master Reeders gave us.
> It is not the end but just a new direction for me.  I am going to focus on
some more personal training, quiet sitting, and family stuff that needs my
attention.
>
> Again I want to thank all of you.
>
> George Reyngoudt
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Willem Reeders
>   To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:55 PM
>   Subject: Re: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: ACIFA Sat Class
>
>
>
>   Willem Jr. and son here now in Seattle sayin hey. They got some Kung Fu up
here in China town if you like beeting up your sensi.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   From: Clint Cross <crossc@...>
>   To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:44:31 AM
>   Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: ACIFA Sat Class
>
>
>
>   >C'mon all you sleepy heads. Wake up and attend the 10am class, I
>   >need you all there to help energize me and get my old bones going in
>   >the morning. Clint
>

#883 From: "Glenn A. West" <gawest@...>
Date: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: ACIFA
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George,

Although I haven’t trained  there for a few years – my focus has been on taijiquan recently – I still feel like part of the family.  I lucked out in finding ACIFA while looking for a place for my son to train. . . and I stayed.  The experience  was invaluable.  You have given so much to all of us over the years and I sympathize with the need to move on and take care of family.

I’ll try to swing by for a last visit but If I don’t see you, thanks for all you’ve given us and good luck with everything.

All my best,

Glenn West


On 3/22/09 1:52 PM, "George Reyngoudt" <acifa@...> wrote:


 

Some sad new I have to relate to all.
Due to finances and life's current situations at home, I am closing the Academy of Chinese-Indonesian Fighting Arts at 80 Rockwood Place in Rochester, NY.
I will be teaching on Saturdays at Tom's school in Fairport, NY off and on during the summer then regularly in September.  

Note to my student, you should continue your training at Tom's School.  He has trained with me for many years and I have the utmost confedence in him and his skill as a martial artist and teacher.  You will be in good hands.  Also I will be keeping an eye on him and his school.  
Also Joe will be continue his Wednesday Advanced class when he gets back in town next week.

I want to give a warm and heart felt THANK YOU to all of you that have supported ACIFA and also whose of you that have come to visit it us over the years.   It has been a wonderful 25 years but on Tuesday, March 31st the last class will be held at the school.

I will continue to be training and involved in this art I love so much that Master Reeders gave us.  
It is not the end but just a new direction for me.  I am going to focus on some more personal training, quiet sitting, and family stuff that needs my attention.

Again I want to thank all of you.

George Reyngoudt


----- Original Message -----
 
From:  Willem  Reeders <mailto:wreeders@...>  
 
To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com  
 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:55 PM
 
Subject: Re: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: ACIFA  Sat Class
 

 
 

 

Willem Jr. and son here now in Seattle sayin hey. They got some Kung Fu  up here in China town if you like beeting up your sensi.
 

 


From:
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To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:44:31  AM
Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu]  Re: ACIFA Sat Class

 
 


>C'mon all you sleepy heads. Wake up and attend the 10am class, I  
>need you all there to help energize me and get my old bones going in  
>the morning. Clint


 

 
    

  

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#882 From: Clint Cross <crossc@...>
Date: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: ACIFA
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At 05:47 PM 3/23/2009,
Erik wrote;

It may seem a bit silly and rash, but I wanted a bit of "closure" by
visiting the school once more before it closed, so I redeemed a bunch of
frequent flyer miles and I'm making a quick trip home this weekend to
attend Saturday's class (coming to the "closing night" on Tuesday just
wouldn't be possible right now). I look forward to seeing everyone
who's still training there.
Exactly, this is what its all about. Talk about loyalty, Erik hears the school is closing and comes running home from DC. Same as if ones parents were selling the house you grew up in and you wanted to see, feel, smell the environment one more time. For many of us, it is a home away from home, a sanctuary of sorts. I have pressed through some difficult times in my life with George and the ACIFA,  training for 22-23 years now. Someone once posted a thread about martial arts and community. I never replied at the time, let me say now that we are a tight community.  Many of you have lifted my spirits just by your warm smiles and hard dedicated work. Thank you Sifu George.

I've told this story before,  I decided to save money and install a new roof on my house one year.  After a two layer tear off and finding rotten wood I was exhausted, low and my back was breaking. I was sitting up on the roof, all alone and overwhelmed by the job I had overtaken.  I was hurting......... a car pulls up.  Sifu Jim Johnson jumps out, wearing a tool pouch, shouts up "what cha doing?"  He worked his butt off all day,  then took me and the wife out to dinner, went to a ball game with the kids and bought everyone ice cream.  I'm choking up thinking about ol Sifu Jim,  "The ROCK"  we called him.

Martial arts community...............my dear old Mother needed help moving some heavy items from her home prior to moving into assisted living. Sifu Jay says I'm your man! Along with Dave we lifted a piano and some large furniture out of the house and into the truck.

When Sifu Will was working on his house, I heard Sifu Tom and others came over to help him out.   Community...........All the King & I parties we've had.

I am proud to be part of this Liu Seong extended family.  And it will continue and thrive over at Sifu Toms school.

See you all next Tuesday,  I  think a King & I party  would be perfect after class next week.

Notice I haven't said a word about Sifu George,  I'm NOT going there.  Ain't  going to wear all that emotion on my sleeve on a public forum. Nope,  gonna cry in my beer all alone.

Clint



#881 From: Erik Harris <erik@...>
Date: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: ACIFA
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On 3/22/2009 1:52 PM, George Reyngoudt wrote:
> the years.   It has been a wonderful 25 years but on Tuesday, March 31st
> the last class will be held at the school.

It may seem a bit silly and rash, but I wanted a bit of "closure" by
visiting the school once more before it closed, so I redeemed a bunch of
frequent flyer miles and I'm making a quick trip home this weekend to
attend Saturday's class (coming to the "closing night" on Tuesday just
wouldn't be possible right now).  I look forward to seeing everyone
who's still training there.

--

Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA

#880 From: Erik Harris <erik@...>
Date: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:29 am
Subject: Re: ACIFA
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On 3/22/2009 1:52 PM, George Reyngoudt wrote:
> Due to finances and life's current situations at home, I am closing the
> Academy of Chinese-Indonesian Fighting Arts at 80 Rockwood Place in
> Rochester, NY.

I've got almost 20 years of very fond memories from the school.  For
years, it was my home away from home, and its members were my second
family.  I've missed this great training environment since I left
Rochester, and it saddens me to see the school close.

Though it obviously won't be the same I know that the character of
George's school will live on in Tom's school, and George's students will
do well to train there.

> I want to give a warm and heart felt THANK YOU to all of you that have
> supported ACIFA and also whose of you that have come to visit it us over
> the years.

Thank YOU, Shifu George.  Your instruction, guidance, support, and
friendship have always meant (and continue to mean) a great deal to me.
  You've poured years of your life into sharing what you enjoy with so
many of us.  Through your school, you've made a positive impact on so
many lives.  Even when I've had occasion to encounter former students
who didn't train there for more than a few months, they always had fond
memories and took life-long lessons from their time there.

--

Erik Harris       -       http://www.kungfu-silat.com
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club - Alexandria, VA

#879 From: "silat_1" <silat_1@...>
Date: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:28 am
Subject: Re: ACIFA
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Mas George,
Sorry to hear about the closing of your school.. 25 yrs is a long time to spend
dedicated to a school just to watch it close due to the situations that have
been ongoing in the states now..

As one of Sifu Spitale's students, I have watched the information and postings
of this board for some time and was glad to be one of the participants.
When I opened up the email and read this posting, I had come out of the shadows
and post my feelings and regrets on this subject.

I wish you luck in your future endeavors and maybe some day we can get together
and share some of our different systems with each other..

With Respect

Bill

Defensive Tactics systems
Guam

#878 From: "George Reyngoudt" <acifa@...>
Date: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:28 pm
Subject: Re: ACIFA
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Will,
 
You are always welcome here.  Tom's school is going to carry on in Rochester and we will get you up here again this summer (probably more towards August)  My life will be less complex by then.  Enjoy your son and Seattle.  See you soon.
 
george
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [LiuSeongGungFu] ACIFA

Hey George, Willem here in Seattle. Maybe we can share more time in the futer. I really enjoyed being up there last fall and I new you all were out there somewhere. Im always at this line, give me a buz sometime and I shure did like your school.


From: George Reyngoudt <acifa@frontiernet.net>
To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:52:07 AM
Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] ACIFA

Some sad new I have to relate to all.
Due to finances and life's current situations at home, I am closing the Academy of Chinese-Indonesian Fighting Arts at 80 Rockwood Place in Rochester, NY.
I will be teaching on Saturdays at Tom's school in Fairport, NY off and on during the summer then regularly in September. 
 
Note to my student, you should continue your training at Tom's School.  He has trained with me for many years and I have the utmost confedence in him and his skill as a martial artist and teacher.  You will be in good hands.  Also I will be keeping an eye on him and his school. 
Also Joe will be continue his Wednesday Advanced class when he gets back in town next week.
 
I want to give a warm and heart felt THANK YOU to all of you that have supported ACIFA and also whose of you that have come to visit it us over the years.   It has been a wonderful 25 years but on Tuesday, March 31st the last class will be held at the school.
 
I will continue to be training and involved in this art I love so much that Master Reeders gave us. 
It is not the end but just a new direction for me.  I am going to focus on some more personal training, quiet sitting, and family stuff that needs my attention.
 
Again I want to thank all of you.
 
George Reyngoudt
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: ACIFA Sat Class

Willem Jr. and son here now in Seattle sayin hey. They got some Kung Fu up here in China town if you like beeting up your sensi.


From: Clint Cross <crossc@geneseo. edu>
To: LiuSeongGungFu@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:44:31 AM
Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: ACIFA Sat Class


>C'mon all you sleepy heads. Wake up and attend the 10am class, I
>need you all there to help energize me and get my old bones going in
>the morning. Clint




#877 From: Willem Reeders <wreeders@...>
Date: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:03 pm
Subject: Re: ACIFA
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Hey George, Willem here in Seattle. Maybe we can share more time in the futer. I really enjoyed being up there last fall and I new you all were out there somewhere. Im always at this line, give me a buz sometime and I shure did like your school.


From: George Reyngoudt <acifa@...>
To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:52:07 AM
Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] ACIFA

Some sad new I have to relate to all.
Due to finances and life's current situations at home, I am closing the Academy of Chinese-Indonesian Fighting Arts at 80 Rockwood Place in Rochester, NY.
I will be teaching on Saturdays at Tom's school in Fairport, NY off and on during the summer then regularly in September. 
 
Note to my student, you should continue your training at Tom's School.  He has trained with me for many years and I have the utmost confedence in him and his skill as a martial artist and teacher.  You will be in good hands.  Also I will be keeping an eye on him and his school. 
Also Joe will be continue his Wednesday Advanced class when he gets back in town next week.
 
I want to give a warm and heart felt THANK YOU to all of you that have supported ACIFA and also whose of you that have come to visit it us over the years.   It has been a wonderful 25 years but on Tuesday, March 31st the last class will be held at the school.
 
I will continue to be training and involved in this art I love so much that Master Reeders gave us. 
It is not the end but just a new direction for me.  I am going to focus on some more personal training, quiet sitting, and family stuff that needs my attention.
 
Again I want to thank all of you.
 
George Reyngoudt
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: ACIFA Sat Class

Willem Jr. and son here now in Seattle sayin hey. They got some Kung Fu up here in China town if you like beeting up your sensi.


From: Clint Cross <crossc@geneseo. edu>
To: LiuSeongGungFu@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:44:31 AM
Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: ACIFA Sat Class


>C'mon all you sleepy heads. Wake up and attend the 10am class, I
>need you all there to help energize me and get my old bones going in
>the morning. Clint




#876 From: "Michael Kane" <nomorar@...>
Date: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:25 pm
Subject: RE: ACIFA
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Hello George,

 

I’m definitely sad to hear of your closing. I have enjoyed the fellowship of you and your students, and indeed, I have enjoyed the great quality of your kungfu family over the years.  Of course we know from our art, that yielding is overcoming and ending is beginning. So I have total confidence that fruitful new beginnings will emerge from your choice and from the quality of the individuals that have been drawn to you.  My best wishes in your new directions, and gratitude of course for the good you have created along the way.

 

All the best,

 

Michael Kane

 

-----Original Message-----
From: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of George Reyngoudt
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:52 PM
To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] ACIFA

 

Some sad new I have to relate to all.

Due to finances and life's current situations at home, I am closing the Academy of Chinese-Indonesian Fighting Arts at 80 Rockwood Place in Rochester, NY.

I will be teaching on Saturdays at Tom's school in Fairport, NY off and on during the summer then regularly in September. 

 

Note to my student, you should continue your training at Tom's School.  He has trained with me for many years and I have the utmost confedence in him and his skill as a martial artist and teacher.  You will be in good hands.  Also I will be keeping an eye on him and his school. 

Also Joe will be continue his Wednesday Advanced class when he gets back in town next week.

 

I want to give a warm and heart felt THANK YOU to all of you that have supported ACIFA and also whose of you that have come to visit it us over the years.   It has been a wonderful 25 years but on Tuesday, March 31st the last class will be held at the school.

 

I will continue to be training and involved in this art I love so much that Master Reeders gave us. 

It is not the end but just a new direction for me.  I am going to focus on some more personal training, quiet sitting, and family stuff that needs my attention.

 

Again I want to thank all of you.

 

George Reyngoudt

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Willem Reeders

To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:55 PM

Subject: Re: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: ACIFA Sat Class

 

Willem Jr. and son here now in Seattle sayin hey. They got some Kung Fu up here in China town if you like beeting up your sensi.

 


From: Clint Cross <crossc@geneseo.edu>
To: LiuSeongGungFu@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:44:31 AM
Subject: [LiuSeongGungFu] Re: ACIFA Sat Class


>C'mon all you sleepy heads. Wake up and attend the 10am class, I
>need you all there to help energize me and get my old bones going in
>the morning. Clint

 


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