Actually he did squat. In the early part of his career he used barbell
squats but found that they didn't agree with his structure. Dorian
switched over to other forms of squatting such as smith machine squats
and hack squats, which are definitely squatting motions.

When I was trained by Dorian in 2000 he said the reason he suggested
smith machine squats is because they allow a person to place more
stress on their quads, take stress of their back, and allows them to
focus on going to failure without worrying about balance.

>
> I've heard that Dorian Yates never squatted. Didn't seem to keep
him from winning 6 Mr. O's
>
> lhosannah <lhosannah@...> wrote: I've
included my comments in your text
>
> >
> > I think our food and general knowledge of food has evolved since then
> > and I think people are living longer now and what not. I don't know
> > if we could compare now to then without recreating those conditions.
> > From some of the pics I've seen, those bodybuilders from the 30's
look
> > about my size. And although I do hold a high opinion of myself, I
know
> > that I'm a mere pissant next to todays competitors.
>
> Law: I agree that there has been progress in our understanding of
> nutrition and training. More understanding today doesn't mean that
> they weren't applying what mattered back then though. They ate lots of
> quality sources of protein as well as other nutrients. Training wise
> they were a bit off, for example they didn't push their squats in
> terms of poundage.. and squats are a requirement for the greatest
growth.
>
> > I like being natural though which is one reason I listen to your
> > advice. I thought of taking drugs and it probobly wouldn't
destroy my
> > life or health but it would certainly complicate things. I see that
> > now natural competitions are becoming more prevalent and if you look
> > around online you'll see lots of people talking about "natural
> > bodybuilding". Maybe this is the next step in the evolution of
> > bodybuilding?
>
> Law: If there has been a benefit to the war against steroids its the
> drive for drug free sports.. natural bodybuilders might benefit from
> this. I will be interesting to see what would happen to bodybuilding
> if it was cleaned up for real.
>
> Law
>
> >
> > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Question have bodybuilders continued to evolve and progress?
> > >
> > > If drugs, nutritional supplements and superior equipment were
removed
> > > from bodybuilding would bodybuilders resemble the bodybuilders from
> > > the 1930's or would they be better?
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I think steroid use should be a personal choice, when there is choice
there is always room for abuse.

I actually like the look of many drug using physiques, particularly
those before the distended belly age.. after that it got a little
crazy for my tastes.

With the current steroid witch hunts it will be interesting to see
what happens with bodybuilding. Compared to other sports it is more
obscure, but the feds might go after it aggressively just like baseball.

Recently there have been more busts in bodybuilding, in the last moth
two well known bodybuilders were busted for dealing. There has also
been ties with Balco and bodybuilding. The reason why I think
bodybuilding hasn't really been effected is that other sports are
higher profile. It will be interesting to see what happens.

>
> Yea, I thought I noticed a new twinkle in his eye ever since he got
> that prescription. But he's put on some mass too though, seriously.
> I agree with you Lawrence that those drugs have their place. I feel
> pretty certain theyll never have a place in my own life but in a way,
> I actually hope they don't clean up bodybuilding. Just for the simple
> principle that I think the ones who want to juice it up and compete
> should always be able to. But I think bodybuilding would be a lot
> more popular with the general public if the natural guys took center
> stage instead of the freakishly huge drug guys. I sometimes show my
> girlfriends pictures of bodybuilders and they always think the huge
> guys look sickening while natrual bodybuilders look awesome because
> they look more like a normal person who is in excellent shape. I
> think the bloated bellies and freakishly enormous bodies are hard to
> appreciate for most people.
>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, Dan M <yashington@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, it's called hormone replacement therapy. Usually for guys who
> are 30-40 or older and have lower than average testosterone. The
> amount of steroids they get isn't really enough to use to build
> muscle, but it's enough to make them feel like they're 20 again.
> >
> > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote: Yeah
> thats true but he's been hitting the sauce for a long time, still
> > funny though I like the 191 amino acid comment very inventive..
> >
> > I actually think that steroids and other hormones have their place,
> > and use should be up to the individual.
> >
> > Law
> >
> > >
> > > He's getting on up there now age wise - he might be a candidate
to be
> > > taking prescribed HGH. I have an older bodybuilding friend whos 56
> > > and actually takes prescribed steroids because his testosterone
> levels
> > > are abnormally low.
> > >
> > > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> > > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Stallone is a crack up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > haha maybe you can buy it in GNC
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris Saul <cbs@> wrote:
> > > > > Hilarious. Thanks. It's "amino acids", huh? That's the
best
> > > > explanation I've heard in quite a long time. :)
> > > > > A bit like saying the pyramids in Egypt are "just a bunch of
> > rocks".
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > lhosannah
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:44 AM
> > > > > To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Stallone dicussing HGH
on NBC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.popcrunch.com/slyvester-stallone-today-video-slyvester-stallone-today-show-steroid-use-video/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Yea I think thats right on.  For whatever reason squats put a lot of
strain on my lower back, especially when I get to parallel and below.
  As I said I'm 6'0 so maybe thats it or maybe its a flexibility issue.
  I'm doing standard squats right now but most of the time I'm on the
smith machine -

--- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
<lhosannah@...> wrote:
>
> Actually he did squat. In the early part of his career he used barbell
> squats but found that they didn't agree with his structure. Dorian
> switched over to other forms of squatting such as smith machine squats
> and hack squats, which are definitely squatting motions.
>
> When I was trained by Dorian in 2000 he said the reason he suggested
> smith machine squats is because they allow a person to place more
> stress on their quads, take stress of their back, and allows them to
> focus on going to failure without worrying about balance.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > I've heard that Dorian Yates never squatted.  Didn't seem to keep
> him from winning 6 Mr. O's
> >
> > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote:                               I've
> included my comments in your text
> >
> >  >
> >  > I think our food and general knowledge of food has evolved
since then
> >  > and I think people are living longer now and what not.  I don't
know
> >  > if we could compare now to then without recreating those
conditions.
> >  > From some of the pics I've seen, those bodybuilders from the 30's
> look
> >  > about my size. And although I do hold a high opinion of myself, I
> know
> >  > that I'm a mere pissant next to todays competitors.
> >
> >  Law: I agree that there has been progress in our understanding of
> >  nutrition and training. More understanding today doesn't mean that
> >  they weren't applying what mattered back then though. They ate
lots of
> >  quality sources of protein as well as other nutrients. Training wise
> >  they were a bit off, for example they didn't push their squats in
> >  terms of poundage.. and squats are a requirement for the greatest
> growth.
> >
> >  >   I like being natural though which is one reason I listen to your
> >  > advice.  I thought of taking drugs and it probobly wouldn't
> destroy my
> >  > life or health but it would certainly complicate things.  I see
that
> >  > now natural competitions are becoming more prevalent and if you
look
> >  > around online you'll see lots of people talking about "natural
> >  > bodybuilding".  Maybe this is the next step in the evolution of
> >  > bodybuilding?
> >
> >  Law: If there has been a benefit to the war against steroids its the
> >  drive for drug free sports.. natural bodybuilders might benefit from
> >  this. I will be interesting to see what would happen to bodybuilding
> >  if it was cleaned up for real.
> >
> >  Law
> >
> >  >
> >  > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> >  > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > Question have bodybuilders continued to evolve and progress?
> >  > >
> >  > > If drugs, nutritional supplements and superior equipment were
> removed
> >  > > from bodybuilding would bodybuilders resemble the
bodybuilders from
> >  > > the 1930's or would they be better?
> >  > >
> >  >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>

I think steroid use should be a personal choice, when there is choice
there is always room for abuse.

I actually like the look of many drug using physiques, particularly
those before the distended belly age.. after that it got a little
crazy for my tastes.

With the current steroid witch hunts it will be interesting to see
what happens with bodybuilding. Compared to other sports it is more
obscure, but the feds might go after it aggressively just like baseball.

Recently there have been more busts in bodybuilding, in the last moth
two well known bodybuilders were busted for dealing. There has also
been ties with Balco and bodybuilding. The reason why I think
bodybuilding hasn't really been effected is that other sports are
higher profile. It will be interesting to see what happens.


>
> Yea, I thought I noticed a new twinkle in his eye ever since he got
> that prescription.  But he's put on some mass too though, seriously.
>   I agree with you Lawrence that those drugs have their place.  I feel
> pretty certain theyll never have a place in my own life but in a way,
> I actually hope they don't clean up bodybuilding.  Just for the simple
> principle that I think the ones who want to juice it up and compete
> should always be able to.  But I think bodybuilding would be a lot
> more popular with the general public if the natural guys took center
> stage instead of the freakishly huge drug guys.  I sometimes show my
> girlfriends pictures of bodybuilders and they always think the huge
> guys look sickening while natrual bodybuilders look awesome because
> they look more like a normal person who is in excellent shape.  I
> think the bloated bellies and freakishly enormous bodies are hard to
> appreciate for most people.
>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, Dan M <yashington@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, it's called hormone replacement therapy.  Usually for guys who
> are 30-40 or older and have lower than average testosterone.  The
> amount of steroids they get isn't really enough to use to build
> muscle, but it's enough to make them feel like they're 20 again.
> >
> > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote:                               Yeah
> thats true but he's been hitting the sauce for a long time, still
> >  funny though I like the 191 amino acid comment very inventive..
> >
> >  I actually think that steroids and other hormones have their place,
> >  and use should be up to the individual.
> >
> >  Law
> >
> >  >
> >  > He's getting on up there now age wise - he might be a candidate
to be
> >  > taking prescribed HGH.  I have an older bodybuilding friend whos 56
> >  > and actually takes prescribed steroids because his testosterone
> levels
> >  > are abnormally low.
> >  >
> >  > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> >  > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > Stallone is a crack up.
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > > haha maybe you can buy it in GNC
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Chris Saul <cbs@> wrote:
> >  > > >   Hilarious.  Thanks.  It's "amino acids", huh?  That's the
best
> >  > > explanation I've heard in quite a long time.   :)
> >  > > >   A bit like saying the pyramids in Egypt are "just a bunch of
> >  rocks".
> >  > > >
> >  > > >   -----Original Message-----
> >  > > >  From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> >  > > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> >  lhosannah
> >  > > >  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:44 AM
> >  > > >  To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> >  > > >  Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Stallone dicussing HGH
on NBC
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > >
> >  >
> >
>
http://www.popcrunch.com/slyvester-stallone-today-video-slyvester-stallone-today\
-show-steroid-use-video/
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
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Thanks


>
> Lookin awesome, as always.  Whats your activity like outside the gym?
>  Do you move around a lot during the day or sit behind a desk or what?
>  just curious -
>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >
> > Today I trained chest/arms, pre exhaust, drop sets for chest. For arms
> > I  used drop sets. I performed no free wts today. Lots of laziness
> > going around today.
> >
> > Here is the routine
> >
> > machine pec flyes -pre exhausted with- seated chest press machine
> > 3 warm up sets alternating each
> >
> > 2 work sets of each drop setting included/ rough rep range 5
> >
> > machine chest press seat low to hit upper chest
> > 1 warm up/ 1 work set with drops
> >
> >
> > triceps pushdown 1 warm up/ 1 work set with drops
> > cable curls 2 warm ups/ 1 work set with drops
> > reverse grip pulldown 1 work set with drop
> > close grip seated press for triceps 1 warm up/ 1 work set
> >
> >
> > I took a few pics after training, you can find them in the pic section
> > body wt around 200
> >
> >
> > Law
> >
>

Actually he did squat. In the early part of his career he used barbell
squats but found that they didn't agree with his structure. Dorian
switched over to other forms of squatting such as smith machine squats
and hack squats, which are definitely squatting motions.

When I was trained by Dorian in 2000 he said the reason he suggested
smith machine squats is because they allow a person to place more
stress on their quads, take stress of their back, and allows them to
focus on going to failure without worrying about balance.





>
> I've heard that Dorian Yates never squatted.  Didn't seem to keep
him from winning 6 Mr. O's
>
> lhosannah <lhosannah@...> wrote:                               I've
included my comments in your text
>
>  >
>  > I think our food and general knowledge of food has evolved since then
>  > and I think people are living longer now and what not.  I don't know
>  > if we could compare now to then without recreating those conditions.
>  > From some of the pics I've seen, those bodybuilders from the 30's
look
>  > about my size. And although I do hold a high opinion of myself, I
know
>  > that I'm a mere pissant next to todays competitors.
>
>  Law: I agree that there has been progress in our understanding of
>  nutrition and training. More understanding today doesn't mean that
>  they weren't applying what mattered back then though. They ate lots of
>  quality sources of protein as well as other nutrients. Training wise
>  they were a bit off, for example they didn't push their squats in
>  terms of poundage.. and squats are a requirement for the greatest
growth.
>
>  >   I like being natural though which is one reason I listen to your
>  > advice.  I thought of taking drugs and it probobly wouldn't
destroy my
>  > life or health but it would certainly complicate things.  I see that
>  > now natural competitions are becoming more prevalent and if you look
>  > around online you'll see lots of people talking about "natural
>  > bodybuilding".  Maybe this is the next step in the evolution of
>  > bodybuilding?
>
>  Law: If there has been a benefit to the war against steroids its the
>  drive for drug free sports.. natural bodybuilders might benefit from
>  this. I will be interesting to see what would happen to bodybuilding
>  if it was cleaned up for real.
>
>  Law
>
>  >
>  > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
>  > <lhosannah@> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Question have bodybuilders continued to evolve and progress?
>  > >
>  > > If drugs, nutritional supplements and superior equipment were
removed
>  > > from bodybuilding would bodybuilders resemble the bodybuilders from
>  > > the 1930's or would they be better?
>  > >
>  >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

In Sly's case he most likely has been using steroids for a few decades
now, even while his levels were probably still normal (I don't know
for sure, just an educated guess). Not that it matters, it should be
his own choice.



>
> Yeah, it's called hormone replacement therapy.  Usually for guys who
are 30-40 or older and have lower than average testosterone.  The
amount of steroids they get isn't really enough to use to build
muscle, but it's enough to make them feel like they're 20 again.
>
> lhosannah <lhosannah@...> wrote:                               Yeah
thats true but he's been hitting the sauce for a long time, still
>  funny though I like the 191 amino acid comment very inventive..
>
>  I actually think that steroids and other hormones have their place,
>  and use should be up to the individual.
>
>  Law
>
>  >
>  > He's getting on up there now age wise - he might be a candidate to be
>  > taking prescribed HGH.  I have an older bodybuilding friend whos 56
>  > and actually takes prescribed steroids because his testosterone
levels
>  > are abnormally low.
>  >
>  > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
>  > <lhosannah@> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Stallone is a crack up.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > >
>  > > > haha maybe you can buy it in GNC
>  > > >
>  > > > Chris Saul <cbs@> wrote:
>  > > >   Hilarious.  Thanks.  It's "amino acids", huh?  That's the best
>  > > explanation I've heard in quite a long time.   :)
>  > > >   A bit like saying the pyramids in Egypt are "just a bunch of
>  rocks".
>  > > >
>  > > >   -----Original Message-----
>  > > >  From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
>  > > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>  lhosannah
>  > > >  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:44 AM
>  > > >  To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
>  > > >  Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Stallone dicussing HGH on NBC
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > >
>  >
>
http://www.popcrunch.com/slyvester-stallone-today-video-slyvester-stallone-today\
-show-steroid-use-video/
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
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I'm a stay at home mom actually..chuckle

I tend to move around a lot, a lot of walking from client to client.


>
> Lookin awesome, as always.  Whats your activity like outside the gym?
>  Do you move around a lot during the day or sit behind a desk or what?
>  just curious -
>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >
> > Today I trained chest/arms, pre exhaust, drop sets for chest. For arms
> > I  used drop sets. I performed no free wts today. Lots of laziness
> > going around today.
> >
> > Here is the routine
> >
> > machine pec flyes -pre exhausted with- seated chest press machine
> > 3 warm up sets alternating each
> >
> > 2 work sets of each drop setting included/ rough rep range 5
> >
> > machine chest press seat low to hit upper chest
> > 1 warm up/ 1 work set with drops
> >
> >
> > triceps pushdown 1 warm up/ 1 work set with drops
> > cable curls 2 warm ups/ 1 work set with drops
> > reverse grip pulldown 1 work set with drop
> > close grip seated press for triceps 1 warm up/ 1 work set
> >
> >
> > I took a few pics after training, you can find them in the pic section
> > body wt around 200
> >
> >
> > Law
> >
>

Yea, I thought I noticed a new twinkle in his eye ever since he got
that prescription.  But he's put on some mass too though, seriously.
   I agree with you Lawrence that those drugs have their place.  I feel
pretty certain theyll never have a place in my own life but in a way,
I actually hope they don't clean up bodybuilding.  Just for the simple
principle that I think the ones who want to juice it up and compete
should always be able to.  But I think bodybuilding would be a lot
more popular with the general public if the natural guys took center
stage instead of the freakishly huge drug guys.  I sometimes show my
girlfriends pictures of bodybuilders and they always think the huge
guys look sickening while natrual bodybuilders look awesome because
they look more like a normal person who is in excellent shape.  I
think the bloated bellies and freakishly enormous bodies are hard to
appreciate for most people.

--- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, Dan M <yashington@...>
wrote:
>
> Yeah, it's called hormone replacement therapy.  Usually for guys who
are 30-40 or older and have lower than average testosterone.  The
amount of steroids they get isn't really enough to use to build
muscle, but it's enough to make them feel like they're 20 again.
>
> lhosannah <lhosannah@...> wrote:                               Yeah
thats true but he's been hitting the sauce for a long time, still
>  funny though I like the 191 amino acid comment very inventive..
>
>  I actually think that steroids and other hormones have their place,
>  and use should be up to the individual.
>
>  Law
>
>  >
>  > He's getting on up there now age wise - he might be a candidate to be
>  > taking prescribed HGH.  I have an older bodybuilding friend whos 56
>  > and actually takes prescribed steroids because his testosterone
levels
>  > are abnormally low.
>  >
>  > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
>  > <lhosannah@> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Stallone is a crack up.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > >
>  > > > haha maybe you can buy it in GNC
>  > > >
>  > > > Chris Saul <cbs@> wrote:
>  > > >   Hilarious.  Thanks.  It's "amino acids", huh?  That's the best
>  > > explanation I've heard in quite a long time.   :)
>  > > >   A bit like saying the pyramids in Egypt are "just a bunch of
>  rocks".
>  > > >
>  > > >   -----Original Message-----
>  > > >  From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
>  > > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>  lhosannah
>  > > >  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:44 AM
>  > > >  To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
>  > > >  Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Stallone dicussing HGH on NBC
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > >
>  >
>
http://www.popcrunch.com/slyvester-stallone-today-video-slyvester-stallone-today\
-show-steroid-use-video/
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
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I've included my comments in your text

>
> I think our food and general knowledge of food has evolved since then
> and I think people are living longer now and what not. I don't know
> if we could compare now to then without recreating those conditions.
> From some of the pics I've seen, those bodybuilders from the 30's look
> about my size. And although I do hold a high opinion of myself, I know
> that I'm a mere pissant next to todays competitors.

Law: I agree that there has been progress in our understanding of
nutrition and training. More understanding today doesn't mean that
they weren't applying what mattered back then though. They ate lots of
quality sources of protein as well as other nutrients. Training wise
they were a bit off, for example they didn't push their squats in
terms of poundage.. and squats are a requirement for the greatest growth.

> I like being natural though which is one reason I listen to your
> advice. I thought of taking drugs and it probobly wouldn't destroy my
> life or health but it would certainly complicate things. I see that
> now natural competitions are becoming more prevalent and if you look
> around online you'll see lots of people talking about "natural
> bodybuilding". Maybe this is the next step in the evolution of
> bodybuilding?

Law: If there has been a benefit to the war against steroids its the
drive for drug free sports.. natural bodybuilders might benefit from
this. I will be interesting to see what would happen to bodybuilding
if it was cleaned up for real.

Law

>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >
> > Question have bodybuilders continued to evolve and progress?
> >
> > If drugs, nutritional supplements and superior equipment were removed
> > from bodybuilding would bodybuilders resemble the bodybuilders from
> > the 1930's or would they be better?
> >
>

Lookin awesome, as always.  Whats your activity like outside the gym?
  Do you move around a lot during the day or sit behind a desk or what?
  just curious -

--- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
<lhosannah@...> wrote:
>
> Today I trained chest/arms, pre exhaust, drop sets for chest. For arms
> I  used drop sets. I performed no free wts today. Lots of laziness
> going around today.
>
> Here is the routine
>
> machine pec flyes -pre exhausted with- seated chest press machine
> 3 warm up sets alternating each
>
> 2 work sets of each drop setting included/ rough rep range 5
>
> machine chest press seat low to hit upper chest
> 1 warm up/ 1 work set with drops
>
>
> triceps pushdown 1 warm up/ 1 work set with drops
> cable curls 2 warm ups/ 1 work set with drops
> reverse grip pulldown 1 work set with drop
> close grip seated press for triceps 1 warm up/ 1 work set
>
>
> I took a few pics after training, you can find them in the pic section
> body wt around 200
>
>
> Law
>

Yeah thats true but he's been hitting the sauce for a long time, still
funny though I like the 191 amino acid comment very inventive..

I actually think that steroids and other hormones have their place,
and use should be up to the individual.

Law

>
> He's getting on up there now age wise - he might be a candidate to be
> taking prescribed HGH. I have an older bodybuilding friend whos 56
> and actually takes prescribed steroids because his testosterone levels
> are abnormally low.
>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >
> > Stallone is a crack up.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > haha maybe you can buy it in GNC
> > >
> > > Chris Saul <cbs@> wrote:
> > > Hilarious. Thanks. It's "amino acids", huh? That's the best
> > explanation I've heard in quite a long time. :)
> > > A bit like saying the pyramids in Egypt are "just a bunch of
rocks".
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lhosannah
> > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:44 AM
> > > To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Stallone dicussing HGH on NBC
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.popcrunch.com/slyvester-stallone-today-video-slyvester-stallone-today-show-steroid-use-video/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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LOLOL  oh man that was hilarious

--- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
<lhosannah@...> wrote:
>
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxIWyTdzz2M&eurl=http://www.getbig.com/boards/ind\
ex.php?topic=196384.0
>

lol  thanks.  My luck, the mother will not pay her child support,

--- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
<lhosannah@...> wrote:
>
> Enjoy your child man.
>
>
> >
> > I'm going to be the first male to have a baby!  I think it so it must
> > be possible!  Nah just kidding, I see what you mean.  My tendency is
> > to focus on the thought and belief area because thats where I have the
> > most control and influence over myself.
> >   I can't help but think though that those examples you gave are
> > examples of our ability to adapt.  The lighter skinned brits have
> > adapted themselves(over time) to the conditions of London where its
> > overcast and colder, and the darker skinned africans have adapted
> > themselves(over time) to the conditions of Africa where its sunny and
> > hot.  Follow me?
> >
> > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's true that humans continue to evolve (progress) over time,
but it
> > > still holds true that genetics play a role in what we can tolerate,
> > > our potential, etc.
> > >
> > > Here are a few examples that come to mind
> > >
> > > Darker skinned Africans being able to tolerate the sun better than
> > > lighter skinned Brits
> > >
> > > Potential is like an iceberg, the largest part of it is hidden from
> > sight.
> > >
> > >
> > > Those with longer muscle bellies throughout their bodies being more
> > > successful in bodybuilding than those with shorter muscle bellies.
> > >
> > > It may be true that human beings can continue to adapt over
> > > generations, but we are talking about an individual ability to
achieve
> > > high levels. Even though each individual can achieve more than
he/she
> > > has achieved up to a given point there are still genetic markers
that
> > > limit whats possible.
> > >
> > > Other attributes that have genetic limits
> > > eye color
> > > hair color
> > > Females giving birth and not males
> > > muscles using ATP for muscle contraction
> > >
> > > With that said I do think we as a species will continue to progress,
> > > evolve, and this will be due to uncovering more knowledge and
> > applying
> > >  that to technology.
> > >
> > > I do also agree that thoughts have a profound effect on what we
> > > achieve, and if you want to achieve something you have to spend most
> > > of your time focusing on progress not your genetics.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree totally with your point that genetics is only valid in
> > > retrospect.  If there really is some individual set limit which each
> > > of us has, the fact is nobody knows where that limit is.  And
I'm one
> > > who will say that there is never a point that anyone will reach
where
> > > they can not progress further.  Even someone like Michael Jordan or
> > > Tiger Woods can break new limits and set new records.  I don't think
> > > we're gonna run out of yards to hit a golf ball.  Maybe someone
in the
> > > year 40,000 the human race will be so progressed that someone
will hit
> > > one that will go on perpetually moving into space.  lol  Anyway my
> > > only point is I think its at our very nature, physically and
otherwise
> > > to progress and move forward and I think the limits are here just to
> > > push against for the fun of it.  If you could lift any weight in the
> > > world weight lifting would get old.
> > > >   But one thing I'm thinking is that those factors you listed
below,
> > > I have seen mine change.  I have tried routines where I worked out
> > > everyday of the week and some where I worked out 2-3 days a
week.  And
> > > I change this often.  And my recovery rate and growth rate changes0
> > > here and there.  It seems like my body adapts to whatever
routine I'm
> > > doing after a period of time.  So at this point at least, I try to
> > > vary my routine often, or at least as soon as it gets stale or
boring
> > > to me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > > Genetics aren't only apparent at end points of a persons potential
> > > >  body development (i.e. worst possible shape vs best possible
shape)
> > > >  they are apparent all the time in factors such as
> > > >
> > > >  potential rate of recovery
> > > >  potential rate of growth
> > > >  Ability to switch on percentage of muscle fibers in a muscle
> > > >  metabolic rate
> > > >  hormonal profile
> > > >  leverage points- muscle attachments and lengths
> > > >  bone structure
> > > >
> > > >  I do do agree that for most people wanting to get in good
> shape, not
> > > >  elite shape, that genetics play less of a role and tortoises
> will get
> > > >  there just as much as hares will if they do the work... tortoises
> > beat
> > > >  hares sometimes.
> > > >
> > > >  Law
> > > >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Genetic ability is relevant but only for people who push to get
> > > to their
> > > >  > limits.  For the vast majority of people in the population,
their
> > > >  physiques
> > > >  > are nowhere close to their maximum genetically-limited
> > abilities and
> > > >  so the
> > > >  > examples you give are just people using "genetics" as an
> excuse for
> > > >  their
> > > >  > own lack of willpower to work hard and stay the course.  They
> > > were not
> > > >  > limited by their genes in either case.
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > > >  > From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > > >  > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > >  hungry4pork
> > > >  > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:05 AM
> > > >  > To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > > >  > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on
exercise
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I see what you're saying here but I still can't help but see
> > genetics
> > > >  > as irrelevant to ever factor in. Even if they are really a
> factor!
> > > >  > If someone loses 300 pounds and becomes lean and strong
> > everyone says
> > > >  > "Well obviously he had good genes in there all along." And
> then the
> > > >  > next guy tries and gives up and they all say "its ok, you
got bad
> > > >  > genes." It all just seems to be a way of putting boundries
around
> > > >  > everything and taking it out of the individuals hands. When
> > maybe if
> > > >  > you take genetics out of the equation and say ok whatever
you're
> > > >  > wanting to achieve is possible(which I believe it is) and is
> only a
> > > >  > matter of getting yourself in line with that goal. Then it
is put
> > > >  > into a much more productive arena, mentally. How much does it
> ever
> > > >  > benefit anyone to discuss how far they CAN'T go?
> > > >  >
> > > >  > > Well . I think you are confusing your genetically-limited
> > ultimate
> > > >  > > capability (which is what the program was really talking
about)
> > > with
> > > >  > what
> > > >  > > you make of that capability. Genetics wasn't to blame for
your
> > > >  > being 250#
> > > >  > > and unable to lift 130#. You were. You weren't taking
> > advantage of
> > > >  > what
> > > >  > > was available to you. Similarly, now that you are lighter and
> > > can lift
> > > >  > > more, genetics didn't do that. You did. You are clearly
> lucky to
> > > >  > have good
> > > >  > > genes that give you the capability to become strong and you
> have
> > > >  > worked hard
> > > >  > > to make the most of that capability. But somewhere, you would
> > start
> > > >  > to run
> > > >  > > into a limit. People genetically disposed to be
ectomorphs, for
> > > >  > example,
> > > >  > > are not likely to be able to build a classic competitive
> > > >  > bodybuilder's body
> > > >  > > (at least, not without a great deal of 'supplementation').
> > They can
> > > >  > build
> > > >  > > muscle, get lean, and look good. But it's not likely they
will
> > > >  > become Mr
> > > >  > > Olympia. They just don't have the basic raw material (on the
> > other
> > > >  > hand,
> > > >  > > they may be very good runners).
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > > Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" show is actually well informed
> for the
> > > >  > most part
> > > >  > > and debunks popular myths.
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >  > > From: LawrenceHosannahFan
> > > >  > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Club@yahoogroups.com
> > > >  > > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFan
> > > >  > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >  Club@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > >  > Behalf Of
> > > >  > hungry4pork
> > > >  > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:03 PM
> > > >  > > To: LawrenceHosannahFan
> > > >  <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >  > Club@yahoogroups.com
> > > >  > > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on
> exercise
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > > I didn't watch all of those but I guess the whole genetics
> > concept
> > > >  > > can serve anyone who chooses to believe in it - and thats
fine,
> > > I say.
> > > >  > > If you're a comedian and don't have the time or energy or
> > desire to
> > > >  > > put into working out or diet you can blame your condition on
> > crappy
> > > >  > > genetics and like I said I think thats ok. This is just my
> > opinion
> > > >  > > but I'd still be willing to bet top dollar that either one of
> > those
> > > >  > > two, or anyone else for that matter could get into fabulous
> shape
> > > >  > > regardless of their genetics. I was once 250 pounds and
> couldn't
> > > >  > > bench press 130. I don't blame that poor condition on genes.
> > Now I
> > > >  > > hope to achieve a double bodyweight bench press at the end of
> > this
> > > >  > > next diet and I won't blame that one on genes either!
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > > --- In LawrenceHosannahFan
> > > >  > > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Club@yahoogroups.
> > > >  > <mailto:Club%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> > > >  > > "lhosannah"
> > > >  > > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > Check this out funny stuff
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > part 1.
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> > > >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> > > >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> > > >  > com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> > > >  > > com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > part 2.
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> > > >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> > > >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> > > >  > com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> > > >  > > com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > part 3.
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> > > >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> > > >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> > > >  > com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> > > >  > > com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Yeah thats true but he's been hitting the sauce for a long time, still
funny though I like the 191 amino acid comment very inventive..

I actually think that steroids and other hormones have their place,
and use should be up to the individual.

Law



>
> He's getting on up there now age wise - he might be a candidate to be
> taking prescribed HGH.  I have an older bodybuilding friend whos 56
> and actually takes prescribed steroids because his testosterone levels
> are abnormally low.
>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >
> > Stallone is a crack up.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > haha maybe you can buy it in GNC
> > >
> > > Chris Saul <cbs@> wrote:
> > >   Hilarious.  Thanks.  It's "amino acids", huh?  That's the best
> > explanation I've heard in quite a long time.   :)
> > >   A bit like saying the pyramids in Egypt are "just a bunch of
rocks".
> > >
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >  From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lhosannah
> > >  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:44 AM
> > >  To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > >  Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Stallone dicussing HGH on NBC
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.popcrunch.com/slyvester-stallone-today-video-slyvester-stallone-today\
-show-steroid-use-video/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Try it now.
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> >
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxIWyTdzz2M&eurl=http://www.getbig.com/boards/ind\
ex.php?topic=196384.0

He's getting on up there now age wise - he might be a candidate to be
taking prescribed HGH.  I have an older bodybuilding friend whos 56
and actually takes prescribed steroids because his testosterone levels
are abnormally low.

--- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
<lhosannah@...> wrote:
>
> Stallone is a crack up.
>
>
> >
> > haha maybe you can buy it in GNC
> >
> > Chris Saul <cbs@> wrote:
> >   Hilarious.  Thanks.  It's "amino acids", huh?  That's the best
> explanation I've heard in quite a long time.   :)
> >   A bit like saying the pyramids in Egypt are "just a bunch of rocks".
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >  From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lhosannah
> >  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:44 AM
> >  To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> >  Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Stallone dicussing HGH on NBC
> >
> >
>
http://www.popcrunch.com/slyvester-stallone-today-video-slyvester-stallone-today\
-show-steroid-use-video/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Stallone is a crack up.


>
> haha maybe you can buy it in GNC
>
> Chris Saul <cbs@...> wrote:
>   Hilarious.  Thanks.  It's "amino acids", huh?  That's the best
explanation I've heard in quite a long time.   :)
>   A bit like saying the pyramids in Egypt are "just a bunch of rocks".
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lhosannah
>  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:44 AM
>  To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Stallone dicussing HGH on NBC
>
>
http://www.popcrunch.com/slyvester-stallone-today-video-slyvester-stallone-today\
-show-steroid-use-video/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Today I trained chest/arms, pre exhaust, drop sets for chest. For arms
I  used drop sets. I performed no free wts today. Lots of laziness
going around today.

Here is the routine

machine pec flyes -pre exhausted with- seated chest press machine
3 warm up sets alternating each

2 work sets of each drop setting included/ rough rep range 5

machine chest press seat low to hit upper chest
1 warm up/ 1 work set with drops


triceps pushdown 1 warm up/ 1 work set with drops
cable curls 2 warm ups/ 1 work set with drops
reverse grip pulldown 1 work set with drop
close grip seated press for triceps 1 warm up/ 1 work set


I took a few pics after training, you can find them in the pic section
body wt around 200


Law

Enjoy your child man.


>
> I'm going to be the first male to have a baby!  I think it so it must
> be possible!  Nah just kidding, I see what you mean.  My tendency is
> to focus on the thought and belief area because thats where I have the
> most control and influence over myself.
>   I can't help but think though that those examples you gave are
> examples of our ability to adapt.  The lighter skinned brits have
> adapted themselves(over time) to the conditions of London where its
> overcast and colder, and the darker skinned africans have adapted
> themselves(over time) to the conditions of Africa where its sunny and
> hot.  Follow me?
>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >
> > It's true that humans continue to evolve (progress) over time, but it
> > still holds true that genetics play a role in what we can tolerate,
> > our potential, etc.
> >
> > Here are a few examples that come to mind
> >
> > Darker skinned Africans being able to tolerate the sun better than
> > lighter skinned Brits
> >
> > Potential is like an iceberg, the largest part of it is hidden from
> sight.
> >
> >
> > Those with longer muscle bellies throughout their bodies being more
> > successful in bodybuilding than those with shorter muscle bellies.
> >
> > It may be true that human beings can continue to adapt over
> > generations, but we are talking about an individual ability to achieve
> > high levels. Even though each individual can achieve more than he/she
> > has achieved up to a given point there are still genetic markers that
> > limit whats possible.
> >
> > Other attributes that have genetic limits
> > eye color
> > hair color
> > Females giving birth and not males
> > muscles using ATP for muscle contraction
> >
> > With that said I do think we as a species will continue to progress,
> > evolve, and this will be due to uncovering more knowledge and
> applying
> >  that to technology.
> >
> > I do also agree that thoughts have a profound effect on what we
> > achieve, and if you want to achieve something you have to spend most
> > of your time focusing on progress not your genetics.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I agree totally with your point that genetics is only valid in
> > retrospect.  If there really is some individual set limit which each
> > of us has, the fact is nobody knows where that limit is.  And I'm one
> > who will say that there is never a point that anyone will reach where
> > they can not progress further.  Even someone like Michael Jordan or
> > Tiger Woods can break new limits and set new records.  I don't think
> > we're gonna run out of yards to hit a golf ball.  Maybe someone in the
> > year 40,000 the human race will be so progressed that someone will hit
> > one that will go on perpetually moving into space.  lol  Anyway my
> > only point is I think its at our very nature, physically and otherwise
> > to progress and move forward and I think the limits are here just to
> > push against for the fun of it.  If you could lift any weight in the
> > world weight lifting would get old.
> > >   But one thing I'm thinking is that those factors you listed below,
> > I have seen mine change.  I have tried routines where I worked out
> > everyday of the week and some where I worked out 2-3 days a week.  And
> > I change this often.  And my recovery rate and growth rate changes0
> > here and there.  It seems like my body adapts to whatever routine I'm
> > doing after a period of time.  So at this point at least, I try to
> > vary my routine often, or at least as soon as it gets stale or boring
> > to me.
> > >
> > >
> > > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > Genetics aren't only apparent at end points of a persons potential
> > >  body development (i.e. worst possible shape vs best possible shape)
> > >  they are apparent all the time in factors such as
> > >
> > >  potential rate of recovery
> > >  potential rate of growth
> > >  Ability to switch on percentage of muscle fibers in a muscle
> > >  metabolic rate
> > >  hormonal profile
> > >  leverage points- muscle attachments and lengths
> > >  bone structure
> > >
> > >  I do do agree that for most people wanting to get in good
shape, not
> > >  elite shape, that genetics play less of a role and tortoises
will get
> > >  there just as much as hares will if they do the work... tortoises
> beat
> > >  hares sometimes.
> > >
> > >  Law
> > >
> > >  >
> > >  > Genetic ability is relevant but only for people who push to get
> > to their
> > >  > limits.  For the vast majority of people in the population, their
> > >  physiques
> > >  > are nowhere close to their maximum genetically-limited
> abilities and
> > >  so the
> > >  > examples you give are just people using "genetics" as an
excuse for
> > >  their
> > >  > own lack of willpower to work hard and stay the course.  They
> > were not
> > >  > limited by their genes in either case.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > >  > From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > >  > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > >  hungry4pork
> > >  > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:05 AM
> > >  > To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > >  > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on exercise
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > I see what you're saying here but I still can't help but see
> genetics
> > >  > as irrelevant to ever factor in. Even if they are really a
factor!
> > >  > If someone loses 300 pounds and becomes lean and strong
> everyone says
> > >  > "Well obviously he had good genes in there all along." And
then the
> > >  > next guy tries and gives up and they all say "its ok, you got bad
> > >  > genes." It all just seems to be a way of putting boundries around
> > >  > everything and taking it out of the individuals hands. When
> maybe if
> > >  > you take genetics out of the equation and say ok whatever you're
> > >  > wanting to achieve is possible(which I believe it is) and is
only a
> > >  > matter of getting yourself in line with that goal. Then it is put
> > >  > into a much more productive arena, mentally. How much does it
ever
> > >  > benefit anyone to discuss how far they CAN'T go?
> > >  >
> > >  > > Well . I think you are confusing your genetically-limited
> ultimate
> > >  > > capability (which is what the program was really talking about)
> > with
> > >  > what
> > >  > > you make of that capability. Genetics wasn't to blame for your
> > >  > being 250#
> > >  > > and unable to lift 130#. You were. You weren't taking
> advantage of
> > >  > what
> > >  > > was available to you. Similarly, now that you are lighter and
> > can lift
> > >  > > more, genetics didn't do that. You did. You are clearly
lucky to
> > >  > have good
> > >  > > genes that give you the capability to become strong and you
have
> > >  > worked hard
> > >  > > to make the most of that capability. But somewhere, you would
> start
> > >  > to run
> > >  > > into a limit. People genetically disposed to be ectomorphs, for
> > >  > example,
> > >  > > are not likely to be able to build a classic competitive
> > >  > bodybuilder's body
> > >  > > (at least, not without a great deal of 'supplementation').
> They can
> > >  > build
> > >  > > muscle, get lean, and look good. But it's not likely they will
> > >  > become Mr
> > >  > > Olympia. They just don't have the basic raw material (on the
> other
> > >  > hand,
> > >  > > they may be very good runners).
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > > Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" show is actually well informed
for the
> > >  > most part
> > >  > > and debunks popular myths.
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > > -----Original Message-----
> > >  > > From: LawrenceHosannahFan
> > >  > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Club@yahoogroups.com
> > >  > > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFan
> > >  > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >  Club@yahoogroups.com] On
> > >  > Behalf Of
> > >  > hungry4pork
> > >  > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:03 PM
> > >  > > To: LawrenceHosannahFan
> > >  <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >  > Club@yahoogroups.com
> > >  > > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on
exercise
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > > I didn't watch all of those but I guess the whole genetics
> concept
> > >  > > can serve anyone who chooses to believe in it - and thats fine,
> > I say.
> > >  > > If you're a comedian and don't have the time or energy or
> desire to
> > >  > > put into working out or diet you can blame your condition on
> crappy
> > >  > > genetics and like I said I think thats ok. This is just my
> opinion
> > >  > > but I'd still be willing to bet top dollar that either one of
> those
> > >  > > two, or anyone else for that matter could get into fabulous
shape
> > >  > > regardless of their genetics. I was once 250 pounds and
couldn't
> > >  > > bench press 130. I don't blame that poor condition on genes.
> Now I
> > >  > > hope to achieve a double bodyweight bench press at the end of
> this
> > >  > > next diet and I won't blame that one on genes either!
> > >  > >
> > >  > > --- In LawrenceHosannahFan
> > >  > > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Club@yahoogroups.
> > >  > <mailto:Club%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> > >  > > "lhosannah"
> > >  > > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > Check this out funny stuff
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > part 1.
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> > >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> > >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> > >  > com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> > >  > > com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > part 2.
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> > >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> > >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> > >  > com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> > >  > > com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > part 3.
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> > >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> > >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> > >  > com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> > >  > > com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related
> > >  > > >
> > >  > >
> > >  >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.
> > >
> >
>

I've included my comments in your text



>
> I think our food and general knowledge of food has evolved since then
> and I think people are living longer now and what not.  I don't know
> if we could compare now to then without recreating those conditions.
> From some of the pics I've seen, those bodybuilders from the 30's look
> about my size. And although I do hold a high opinion of myself, I know
> that I'm a mere pissant next to todays competitors.

Law: I agree that there has been progress in our understanding of
nutrition and training. More understanding today doesn't mean that
they weren't applying what mattered back then though. They ate lots of
quality sources of protein as well as other nutrients. Training wise
they were a bit off, for example they didn't push their squats in
terms of poundage.. and squats are a requirement for the greatest growth.


>   I like being natural though which is one reason I listen to your
> advice.  I thought of taking drugs and it probobly wouldn't destroy my
> life or health but it would certainly complicate things.  I see that
> now natural competitions are becoming more prevalent and if you look
> around online you'll see lots of people talking about "natural
> bodybuilding".  Maybe this is the next step in the evolution of
> bodybuilding?

Law: If there has been a benefit to the war against steroids its the
drive for drug free sports.. natural bodybuilders might benefit from
this. I will be interesting to see what would happen to bodybuilding
if it was cleaned up for real.

Law




>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >
> > Question have bodybuilders continued to evolve and progress?
> >
> > If drugs, nutritional supplements and superior equipment were removed
> > from bodybuilding would bodybuilders resemble the bodybuilders from
> > the 1930's or would they be better?
> >
>

I agree with you there.

Yes it is our ability to adapt, but this adaption occurs- if you
believe in evolution- over generations and not in one persons life
time. Any one individual will be able to adapt to certain stressors
within certain limits.. limits that are probably very vast.



>
> I'm going to be the first male to have a baby!  I think it so it must
> be possible!  Nah just kidding, I see what you mean.  My tendency is
> to focus on the thought and belief area because thats where I have the
> most control and influence over myself.
>   I can't help but think though that those examples you gave are
> examples of our ability to adapt.  The lighter skinned brits have
> adapted themselves(over time) to the conditions of London where its
> overcast and colder, and the darker skinned africans have adapted
> themselves(over time) to the conditions of Africa where its sunny and
> hot.  Follow me?
>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >
> > It's true that humans continue to evolve (progress) over time, but it
> > still holds true that genetics play a role in what we can tolerate,
> > our potential, etc.
> >
> > Here are a few examples that come to mind
> >
> > Darker skinned Africans being able to tolerate the sun better than
> > lighter skinned Brits
> >
> > Potential is like an iceberg, the largest part of it is hidden from
> sight.
> >
> >
> > Those with longer muscle bellies throughout their bodies being more
> > successful in bodybuilding than those with shorter muscle bellies.
> >
> > It may be true that human beings can continue to adapt over
> > generations, but we are talking about an individual ability to achieve
> > high levels. Even though each individual can achieve more than he/she
> > has achieved up to a given point there are still genetic markers that
> > limit whats possible.
> >
> > Other attributes that have genetic limits
> > eye color
> > hair color
> > Females giving birth and not males
> > muscles using ATP for muscle contraction
> >
> > With that said I do think we as a species will continue to progress,
> > evolve, and this will be due to uncovering more knowledge and
> applying
> >  that to technology.
> >
> > I do also agree that thoughts have a profound effect on what we
> > achieve, and if you want to achieve something you have to spend most
> > of your time focusing on progress not your genetics.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I agree totally with your point that genetics is only valid in
> > retrospect.  If there really is some individual set limit which each
> > of us has, the fact is nobody knows where that limit is.  And I'm one
> > who will say that there is never a point that anyone will reach where
> > they can not progress further.  Even someone like Michael Jordan or
> > Tiger Woods can break new limits and set new records.  I don't think
> > we're gonna run out of yards to hit a golf ball.  Maybe someone in the
> > year 40,000 the human race will be so progressed that someone will hit
> > one that will go on perpetually moving into space.  lol  Anyway my
> > only point is I think its at our very nature, physically and otherwise
> > to progress and move forward and I think the limits are here just to
> > push against for the fun of it.  If you could lift any weight in the
> > world weight lifting would get old.
> > >   But one thing I'm thinking is that those factors you listed below,
> > I have seen mine change.  I have tried routines where I worked out
> > everyday of the week and some where I worked out 2-3 days a week.  And
> > I change this often.  And my recovery rate and growth rate changes0
> > here and there.  It seems like my body adapts to whatever routine I'm
> > doing after a period of time.  So at this point at least, I try to
> > vary my routine often, or at least as soon as it gets stale or boring
> > to me.
> > >
> > >
> > > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > Genetics aren't only apparent at end points of a persons potential
> > >  body development (i.e. worst possible shape vs best possible shape)
> > >  they are apparent all the time in factors such as
> > >
> > >  potential rate of recovery
> > >  potential rate of growth
> > >  Ability to switch on percentage of muscle fibers in a muscle
> > >  metabolic rate
> > >  hormonal profile
> > >  leverage points- muscle attachments and lengths
> > >  bone structure
> > >
> > >  I do do agree that for most people wanting to get in good
shape, not
> > >  elite shape, that genetics play less of a role and tortoises
will get
> > >  there just as much as hares will if they do the work... tortoises
> beat
> > >  hares sometimes.
> > >
> > >  Law
> > >
> > >  >
> > >  > Genetic ability is relevant but only for people who push to get
> > to their
> > >  > limits.  For the vast majority of people in the population, their
> > >  physiques
> > >  > are nowhere close to their maximum genetically-limited
> abilities and
> > >  so the
> > >  > examples you give are just people using "genetics" as an
excuse for
> > >  their
> > >  > own lack of willpower to work hard and stay the course.  They
> > were not
> > >  > limited by their genes in either case.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > >  > From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > >  > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > >  hungry4pork
> > >  > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:05 AM
> > >  > To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> > >  > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on exercise
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > I see what you're saying here but I still can't help but see
> genetics
> > >  > as irrelevant to ever factor in. Even if they are really a
factor!
> > >  > If someone loses 300 pounds and becomes lean and strong
> everyone says
> > >  > "Well obviously he had good genes in there all along." And
then the
> > >  > next guy tries and gives up and they all say "its ok, you got bad
> > >  > genes." It all just seems to be a way of putting boundries around
> > >  > everything and taking it out of the individuals hands. When
> maybe if
> > >  > you take genetics out of the equation and say ok whatever you're
> > >  > wanting to achieve is possible(which I believe it is) and is
only a
> > >  > matter of getting yourself in line with that goal. Then it is put
> > >  > into a much more productive arena, mentally. How much does it
ever
> > >  > benefit anyone to discuss how far they CAN'T go?
> > >  >
> > >  > > Well . I think you are confusing your genetically-limited
> ultimate
> > >  > > capability (which is what the program was really talking about)
> > with
> > >  > what
> > >  > > you make of that capability. Genetics wasn't to blame for your
> > >  > being 250#
> > >  > > and unable to lift 130#. You were. You weren't taking
> advantage of
> > >  > what
> > >  > > was available to you. Similarly, now that you are lighter and
> > can lift
> > >  > > more, genetics didn't do that. You did. You are clearly
lucky to
> > >  > have good
> > >  > > genes that give you the capability to become strong and you
have
> > >  > worked hard
> > >  > > to make the most of that capability. But somewhere, you would
> start
> > >  > to run
> > >  > > into a limit. People genetically disposed to be ectomorphs, for
> > >  > example,
> > >  > > are not likely to be able to build a classic competitive
> > >  > bodybuilder's body
> > >  > > (at least, not without a great deal of 'supplementation').
> They can
> > >  > build
> > >  > > muscle, get lean, and look good. But it's not likely they will
> > >  > become Mr
> > >  > > Olympia. They just don't have the basic raw material (on the
> other
> > >  > hand,
> > >  > > they may be very good runners).
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > > Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" show is actually well informed
for the
> > >  > most part
> > >  > > and debunks popular myths.
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > > -----Original Message-----
> > >  > > From: LawrenceHosannahFan
> > >  > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Club@yahoogroups.com
> > >  > > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFan
> > >  > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >  Club@yahoogroups.com] On
> > >  > Behalf Of
> > >  > hungry4pork
> > >  > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:03 PM
> > >  > > To: LawrenceHosannahFan
> > >  <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >  > Club@yahoogroups.com
> > >  > > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on
exercise
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > > I didn't watch all of those but I guess the whole genetics
> concept
> > >  > > can serve anyone who chooses to believe in it - and thats fine,
> > I say.
> > >  > > If you're a comedian and don't have the time or energy or
> desire to
> > >  > > put into working out or diet you can blame your condition on
> crappy
> > >  > > genetics and like I said I think thats ok. This is just my
> opinion
> > >  > > but I'd still be willing to bet top dollar that either one of
> those
> > >  > > two, or anyone else for that matter could get into fabulous
shape
> > >  > > regardless of their genetics. I was once 250 pounds and
couldn't
> > >  > > bench press 130. I don't blame that poor condition on genes.
> Now I
> > >  > > hope to achieve a double bodyweight bench press at the end of
> this
> > >  > > next diet and I won't blame that one on genes either!
> > >  > >
> > >  > > --- In LawrenceHosannahFan
> > >  > > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Club@yahoogroups.
> > >  > <mailto:Club%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> > >  > > "lhosannah"
> > >  > > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > Check this out funny stuff
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > part 1.
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> > >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> > >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> > >  > com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> > >  > > com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > part 2.
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> > >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> > >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> > >  > com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> > >  > > com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > part 3.
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> > >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> > >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> > >  > com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> > >  > > com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related
> > >  > > >
> > >  > >
> > >  >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.
> > >
> >
>

Oh yea, don't worry I don't care much for that particular debate
either.  And yea, that is exactly what I was trying to say.  But I
more or less pulled it out of my ass.  lol  I don't have time to study
science but its definately interesting....


--- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Saul" <cbs@...>
wrote:
>
> Actually, I think most experts would put it the other way round .
people in
> northern latitudes (such as London) have developed light skin
because there
> is less sunlight and so they need to let the sun through more to build
> vitamin D.  Similarly, people in Africa developed dark skins to
protect them
> from the sun.  Re-reading your post, perhaps that's what you meant.
  I am
> hesitant to say this since I fear it will open up a debate I'd
rather not
> get into about evolution.  But what I say above is the
generally-accepted
> scientific view.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
hungry4pork
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM
> To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on exercise
>
>
>
> I'm going to be the first male to have a baby! I think it so it must
> be possible! Nah just kidding, I see what you mean. My tendency is
> to focus on the thought and belief area because thats where I have the
> most control and influence over myself.
> I can't help but think though that those examples you gave are
> examples of our ability to adapt. The lighter skinned brits have
> adapted themselves(over time) to the conditions of London where its
> overcast and colder, and the darker skinned africans have adapted
> themselves(over time) to the conditions of Africa where its sunny and
> hot. Follow me?
>
> --- In LawrenceHosannahFan
> <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com> Club@yahoogroups.com,
> "lhosannah"
> <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >
> > It's true that humans continue to evolve (progress) over time, but it
> > still holds true that genetics play a role in what we can tolerate,
> > our potential, etc.
> >
> > Here are a few examples that come to mind
> >
> > Darker skinned Africans being able to tolerate the sun better than
> > lighter skinned Brits
> >
> > Potential is like an iceberg, the largest part of it is hidden from
> sight.
> >
> >
> > Those with longer muscle bellies throughout their bodies being more
> > successful in bodybuilding than those with shorter muscle bellies.
> >
> > It may be true that human beings can continue to adapt over
> > generations, but we are talking about an individual ability to achieve
> > high levels. Even though each individual can achieve more than he/she
> > has achieved up to a given point there are still genetic markers that
> > limit whats possible.
> >
> > Other attributes that have genetic limits
> > eye color
> > hair color
> > Females giving birth and not males
> > muscles using ATP for muscle contraction
> >
> > With that said I do think we as a species will continue to progress,
> > evolve, and this will be due to uncovering more knowledge and
> applying
> > that to technology.
> >
> > I do also agree that thoughts have a profound effect on what we
> > achieve, and if you want to achieve something you have to spend most
> > of your time focusing on progress not your genetics.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I agree totally with your point that genetics is only valid in
> > retrospect. If there really is some individual set limit which each
> > of us has, the fact is nobody knows where that limit is. And I'm one
> > who will say that there is never a point that anyone will reach where
> > they can not progress further. Even someone like Michael Jordan or
> > Tiger Woods can break new limits and set new records. I don't think
> > we're gonna run out of yards to hit a golf ball. Maybe someone in the
> > year 40,000 the human race will be so progressed that someone will hit
> > one that will go on perpetually moving into space. lol Anyway my
> > only point is I think its at our very nature, physically and otherwise
> > to progress and move forward and I think the limits are here just to
> > push against for the fun of it. If you could lift any weight in the
> > world weight lifting would get old.
> > > But one thing I'm thinking is that those factors you listed below,
> > I have seen mine change. I have tried routines where I worked out
> > everyday of the week and some where I worked out 2-3 days a week. And
> > I change this often. And my recovery rate and growth rate changes0
> > here and there. It seems like my body adapts to whatever routine I'm
> > doing after a period of time. So at this point at least, I try to
> > vary my routine often, or at least as soon as it gets stale or boring
> > to me.
> > >
> > >
> > > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > Genetics aren't only apparent at end points of a persons potential
> > > body development (i.e. worst possible shape vs best possible shape)
> > > they are apparent all the time in factors such as
> > >
> > > potential rate of recovery
> > > potential rate of growth
> > > Ability to switch on percentage of muscle fibers in a muscle
> > > metabolic rate
> > > hormonal profile
> > > leverage points- muscle attachments and lengths
> > > bone structure
> > >
> > > I do do agree that for most people wanting to get in good shape, not
> > > elite shape, that genetics play less of a role and tortoises
will get
> > > there just as much as hares will if they do the work... tortoises
> beat
> > > hares sometimes.
> > >
> > > Law
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Genetic ability is relevant but only for people who push to get
> > to their
> > > > limits. For the vast majority of people in the population, their
> > > physiques
> > > > are nowhere close to their maximum genetically-limited
> abilities and
> > > so the
> > > > examples you give are just people using "genetics" as an
excuse for
> > > their
> > > > own lack of willpower to work hard and stay the course. They
> > were not
> > > > limited by their genes in either case.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: LawrenceHosannahFan
> <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com> Club@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFan
> <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
Club@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > > hungry4pork
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:05 AM
> > > > To: LawrenceHosannahFan
> <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com> Club@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on exercise
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I see what you're saying here but I still can't help but see
> genetics
> > > > as irrelevant to ever factor in. Even if they are really a
factor!
> > > > If someone loses 300 pounds and becomes lean and strong
> everyone says
> > > > "Well obviously he had good genes in there all along." And
then the
> > > > next guy tries and gives up and they all say "its ok, you got bad
> > > > genes." It all just seems to be a way of putting boundries around
> > > > everything and taking it out of the individuals hands. When
> maybe if
> > > > you take genetics out of the equation and say ok whatever you're
> > > > wanting to achieve is possible(which I believe it is) and is
only a
> > > > matter of getting yourself in line with that goal. Then it is put
> > > > into a much more productive arena, mentally. How much does it ever
> > > > benefit anyone to discuss how far they CAN'T go?
> > > >
> > > > > Well . I think you are confusing your genetically-limited
> ultimate
> > > > > capability (which is what the program was really talking about)
> > with
> > > > what
> > > > > you make of that capability. Genetics wasn't to blame for your
> > > > being 250#
> > > > > and unable to lift 130#. You were. You weren't taking
> advantage of
> > > > what
> > > > > was available to you. Similarly, now that you are lighter and
> > can lift
> > > > > more, genetics didn't do that. You did. You are clearly lucky to
> > > > have good
> > > > > genes that give you the capability to become strong and you have
> > > > worked hard
> > > > > to make the most of that capability. But somewhere, you would
> start
> > > > to run
> > > > > into a limit. People genetically disposed to be ectomorphs, for
> > > > example,
> > > > > are not likely to be able to build a classic competitive
> > > > bodybuilder's body
> > > > > (at least, not without a great deal of 'supplementation').
> They can
> > > > build
> > > > > muscle, get lean, and look good. But it's not likely they will
> > > > become Mr
> > > > > Olympia. They just don't have the basic raw material (on the
> other
> > > > hand,
> > > > > they may be very good runners).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" show is actually well informed
for the
> > > > most part
> > > > > and debunks popular myths.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: LawrenceHosannahFan
> > > > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Club@yahoogroups. <mailto:Club%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > > > > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFan
> > > > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Club@yahoogroups. <mailto:Club%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
> > > > Behalf Of
> > > > hungry4pork
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:03 PM
> > > > > To: LawrenceHosannahFan
> > > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Club@yahoogroups. <mailto:Club%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > > > > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on
exercise
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't watch all of those but I guess the whole genetics
> concept
> > > > > can serve anyone who chooses to believe in it - and thats fine,
> > I say.
> > > > > If you're a comedian and don't have the time or energy or
> desire to
> > > > > put into working out or diet you can blame your condition on
> crappy
> > > > > genetics and like I said I think thats ok. This is just my
> opinion
> > > > > but I'd still be willing to bet top dollar that either one of
> those
> > > > > two, or anyone else for that matter could get into fabulous
shape
> > > > > regardless of their genetics. I was once 250 pounds and couldn't
> > > > > bench press 130. I don't blame that poor condition on genes.
> Now I
> > > > > hope to achieve a double bodyweight bench press at the end of
> this
> > > > > next diet and I won't blame that one on genes either!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LawrenceHosannahFan
> > > > > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Club@yahoogroups.
> > > > <mailto:Club%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> > > > > "lhosannah"
> > > > > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check this out funny stuff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > part 1.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.
> > > > > <http://www.youtube.
> > > > <http://www.youtube.
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> > > > com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> > > > > com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related
> > > > > >
> > > > > > part 2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.
> > > > > <http://www.youtube.
> > > > <http://www.youtube.
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> > > > com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> > > > > com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related
> > > > > >
> > > > > > part 3.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.
> > > > > <http://www.youtube.
> > > > <http://www.youtube.
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> > > > com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> > > > > com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> > >
> >
>

Hilarious.  Thanks.  It’s “amino acids”, huh?  That’s the best explanation I’ve heard in quite a long time.   :)    

A bit like saying the pyramids in Egypt are “just a bunch of rocks”.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lhosannah
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:44 AM
To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Stallone dicussing HGH on NBC

 

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I think our food and general knowledge of food has evolved since then
and I think people are living longer now and what not.  I don't know
if we could compare now to then without recreating those conditions.
From some of the pics I've seen, those bodybuilders from the 30's look
about my size. And although I do hold a high opinion of myself, I know
that I'm a mere pissant next to todays competitors.
   I like being natural though which is one reason I listen to your
advice.  I thought of taking drugs and it probobly wouldn't destroy my
life or health but it would certainly complicate things.  I see that
now natural competitions are becoming more prevalent and if you look
around online you'll see lots of people talking about "natural
bodybuilding".  Maybe this is the next step in the evolution of
bodybuilding?

--- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
<lhosannah@...> wrote:
>
> Question have bodybuilders continued to evolve and progress?
>
> If drugs, nutritional supplements and superior equipment were removed
> from bodybuilding would bodybuilders resemble the bodybuilders from
> the 1930's or would they be better?
>

I'm going to be the first male to have a baby!  I think it so it must
be possible!  Nah just kidding, I see what you mean.  My tendency is
to focus on the thought and belief area because thats where I have the
most control and influence over myself.
   I can't help but think though that those examples you gave are
examples of our ability to adapt.  The lighter skinned brits have
adapted themselves(over time) to the conditions of London where its
overcast and colder, and the darker skinned africans have adapted
themselves(over time) to the conditions of Africa where its sunny and
hot.  Follow me?

--- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
<lhosannah@...> wrote:
>
> It's true that humans continue to evolve (progress) over time, but it
> still holds true that genetics play a role in what we can tolerate,
> our potential, etc.
>
> Here are a few examples that come to mind
>
> Darker skinned Africans being able to tolerate the sun better than
> lighter skinned Brits
>
> Potential is like an iceberg, the largest part of it is hidden from
sight.
>
>
> Those with longer muscle bellies throughout their bodies being more
> successful in bodybuilding than those with shorter muscle bellies.
>
> It may be true that human beings can continue to adapt over
> generations, but we are talking about an individual ability to achieve
> high levels. Even though each individual can achieve more than he/she
> has achieved up to a given point there are still genetic markers that
> limit whats possible.
>
> Other attributes that have genetic limits
> eye color
> hair color
> Females giving birth and not males
> muscles using ATP for muscle contraction
>
> With that said I do think we as a species will continue to progress,
> evolve, and this will be due to uncovering more knowledge and
applying
>  that to technology.
>
> I do also agree that thoughts have a profound effect on what we
> achieve, and if you want to achieve something you have to spend most
> of your time focusing on progress not your genetics.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > I agree totally with your point that genetics is only valid in
> retrospect.  If there really is some individual set limit which each
> of us has, the fact is nobody knows where that limit is.  And I'm one
> who will say that there is never a point that anyone will reach where
> they can not progress further.  Even someone like Michael Jordan or
> Tiger Woods can break new limits and set new records.  I don't think
> we're gonna run out of yards to hit a golf ball.  Maybe someone in the
> year 40,000 the human race will be so progressed that someone will hit
> one that will go on perpetually moving into space.  lol  Anyway my
> only point is I think its at our very nature, physically and otherwise
> to progress and move forward and I think the limits are here just to
> push against for the fun of it.  If you could lift any weight in the
> world weight lifting would get old.
> >   But one thing I'm thinking is that those factors you listed below,
> I have seen mine change.  I have tried routines where I worked out
> everyday of the week and some where I worked out 2-3 days a week.  And
> I change this often.  And my recovery rate and growth rate changes0
> here and there.  It seems like my body adapts to whatever routine I'm
> doing after a period of time.  So at this point at least, I try to
> vary my routine often, or at least as soon as it gets stale or boring
> to me.
> >
> >
> > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote:
> Genetics aren't only apparent at end points of a persons potential
> >  body development (i.e. worst possible shape vs best possible shape)
> >  they are apparent all the time in factors such as
> >
> >  potential rate of recovery
> >  potential rate of growth
> >  Ability to switch on percentage of muscle fibers in a muscle
> >  metabolic rate
> >  hormonal profile
> >  leverage points- muscle attachments and lengths
> >  bone structure
> >
> >  I do do agree that for most people wanting to get in good shape, not
> >  elite shape, that genetics play less of a role and tortoises will get
> >  there just as much as hares will if they do the work... tortoises
beat
> >  hares sometimes.
> >
> >  Law
> >
> >  >
> >  > Genetic ability is relevant but only for people who push to get
> to their
> >  > limits.  For the vast majority of people in the population, their
> >  physiques
> >  > are nowhere close to their maximum genetically-limited
abilities and
> >  so the
> >  > examples you give are just people using "genetics" as an excuse for
> >  their
> >  > own lack of willpower to work hard and stay the course.  They
> were not
> >  > limited by their genes in either case.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > From: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> >  > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> >  hungry4pork
> >  > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:05 AM
> >  > To: LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com
> >  > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on exercise
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > I see what you're saying here but I still can't help but see
genetics
> >  > as irrelevant to ever factor in. Even if they are really a factor!
> >  > If someone loses 300 pounds and becomes lean and strong
everyone says
> >  > "Well obviously he had good genes in there all along." And then the
> >  > next guy tries and gives up and they all say "its ok, you got bad
> >  > genes." It all just seems to be a way of putting boundries around
> >  > everything and taking it out of the individuals hands. When
maybe if
> >  > you take genetics out of the equation and say ok whatever you're
> >  > wanting to achieve is possible(which I believe it is) and is only a
> >  > matter of getting yourself in line with that goal. Then it is put
> >  > into a much more productive arena, mentally. How much does it ever
> >  > benefit anyone to discuss how far they CAN'T go?
> >  >
> >  > > Well . I think you are confusing your genetically-limited
ultimate
> >  > > capability (which is what the program was really talking about)
> with
> >  > what
> >  > > you make of that capability. Genetics wasn't to blame for your
> >  > being 250#
> >  > > and unable to lift 130#. You were. You weren't taking
advantage of
> >  > what
> >  > > was available to you. Similarly, now that you are lighter and
> can lift
> >  > > more, genetics didn't do that. You did. You are clearly lucky to
> >  > have good
> >  > > genes that give you the capability to become strong and you have
> >  > worked hard
> >  > > to make the most of that capability. But somewhere, you would
start
> >  > to run
> >  > > into a limit. People genetically disposed to be ectomorphs, for
> >  > example,
> >  > > are not likely to be able to build a classic competitive
> >  > bodybuilder's body
> >  > > (at least, not without a great deal of 'supplementation').
They can
> >  > build
> >  > > muscle, get lean, and look good. But it's not likely they will
> >  > become Mr
> >  > > Olympia. They just don't have the basic raw material (on the
other
> >  > hand,
> >  > > they may be very good runners).
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > Penn & Teller's "Bullshit" show is actually well informed for the
> >  > most part
> >  > > and debunks popular myths.
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > -----Original Message-----
> >  > > From: LawrenceHosannahFan
> >  > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> Club@yahoogroups.com
> >  > > [mailto:LawrenceHosannahFan
> >  > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> >  Club@yahoogroups.com] On
> >  > Behalf Of
> >  > hungry4pork
> >  > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:03 PM
> >  > > To: LawrenceHosannahFan
> >  <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> >  > Club@yahoogroups.com
> >  > > Subject: [LawrenceHosannahFanClub] Re: Penn and teler on exercise
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > I didn't watch all of those but I guess the whole genetics
concept
> >  > > can serve anyone who chooses to believe in it - and thats fine,
> I say.
> >  > > If you're a comedian and don't have the time or energy or
desire to
> >  > > put into working out or diet you can blame your condition on
crappy
> >  > > genetics and like I said I think thats ok. This is just my
opinion
> >  > > but I'd still be willing to bet top dollar that either one of
those
> >  > > two, or anyone else for that matter could get into fabulous shape
> >  > > regardless of their genetics. I was once 250 pounds and couldn't
> >  > > bench press 130. I don't blame that poor condition on genes.
Now I
> >  > > hope to achieve a double bodyweight bench press at the end of
this
> >  > > next diet and I won't blame that one on genes either!
> >  > >
> >  > > --- In LawrenceHosannahFan
> >  > > <mailto:LawrenceHosannahFanClub%40yahoogroups.com>
> Club@yahoogroups.
> >  > <mailto:Club%40yahoogroups.com> com,
> >  > > "lhosannah"
> >  > > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Check this out funny stuff
> >  > > >
> >  > > > part 1.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> >  > com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related>
> >  > > com/watch?v=mUtd0HV2amk&feature=related
> >  > > >
> >  > > > part 2.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> >  > com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related>
> >  > > com/watch?v=bIJiJ9WnFgo&feature=related
> >  > > >
> >  > > > part 3.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > http://www.youtube.
> >  > > <http://www.youtube.
> >  > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> >  > com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related>
> >  > > com/watch?v=aNdbuWZHnYk&feature=related
> >  > > >
> >  > >
> >  >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.
> >
>

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