I appreciate it and thanks again for the advice. I'm going to
continue to do these 20 rep sets throughout this diet, doing 2 sets of
squats and one set of leg press and then the next time around 2 sets
of leg press and one of squats and may throw some deadlifts in the mix
too. Will keep you posted on progress.
I wanted to share this too - One thing I discovered which helps me
get the most from myself on those long brutal sets is focusing
completely on JUST the single rep which I'm trying to complete. I
find that if I go into the set shooting for 20 reps, and thinking
about doing 20 reps of this heavy weight, it feels daunting and breaks
up my focus. But concentrating on only one rep at a time makes the
set go by in a much better way and next thing I know I've done 20
reps. Just something to try for anyone who has trouble with those -

--- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
<lhosannah@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah it is brutal.
>
> The squat and leg press combination works really well.
>
> Good to hear that your pushing like that, excellent gains will be
> yours for sure.
>
> Law
>
>
>
> >
> > I never thought of doing squats and deadlifts in the same day. That
> > is brutal. Might have to give it a try though. I've been doing 20
> > rep sets of squats and leg presses the past couple weeks, which also
> > brutal. At least the way I do them it is. Felt close to passing out
> > the other day after a set of squats where it took literally every once
> > of energy I had to get the last couple reps. Sure is a fantastic
> > feeling when its over though! Quite a rush of, uhhhh - endorphins I
> > guess.
> >
> > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah he used a modified pre-exhaust that allowed for a bit of rest
> > > between exercises, unlike Art Jones/ Mentzer pre exhaust which
> > > involves moving from one movement straight into the other. Dorian's
> > > version allows for more weight to be used during the second exercise
> > > and also allows the trainee to stay anaerobic. I've tried both, both
> > > have their benefits.
> > >
> > > Regards squats and deads in the same workout, like everything
else it
> > > depends on what you are trying to accomplish and your stage of
> > > training. At one point I was doing both in the same workout, which
> > > caused a lot of growth. There also was a time where I super
setted 20
> > > rep squats with 15 rep stiff-legged deadlifts, that was brutal.
> > > Nowadays I perform them on different days, Sunday overall thighs and
> > > deadlifts on Mondays every 3 weeks.
> > >
> > > So to answer your question you have to see what format allows you to
> > > get stronger while gaining mass, experiment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Cool, it looks like he pre-exhausted his quads before going
into the
> > > pressing movements.
> > > > Do you advocate doing Squats and deadlifts in the same workout, or
> > > would that be too much?
> > > >
> > > > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote: More
> > > so the standing squatting motions hacks, smith squats. Those type
> > > > of movements put a great deal of stress on the spine, and as a
> result
> > > > the body builds up a lot of muscle to protect itself... the
> > reason why
> > > > I think that squats and deadlifts are so effective.
> > > >
> > > > One of Dorian's quad workouts
> > > >
> > > > Leg extension 2 warm ups 15-12 1 work set 10-12
> > > > Leg press 1 warm up 10-12 1 work set 12
> > > > hack squats 1 warm up 10-12 1 work set 12
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah I heard the same thing about squats not agreeing with his
> > > > structure. I didn't know that you were counting leg presses
> and hack
> > > > squats as squats but it's definitely all the same movement.
> > > > >
> > > > > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > > > Actually he did squat. In the early part of his career he used
> > barbell
> > > > > squats but found that they didn't agree with his structure.
> Dorian
> > > > > switched over to other forms of squatting such as smith
machine
> > > squats
> > > > > and hack squats, which are definitely squatting motions.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I was trained by Dorian in 2000 he said the reason he
> > suggested
> > > > > smith machine squats is because they allow a person to place
> more
> > > > > stress on their quads, take stress of their back, and allows
> > them to
> > > > > focus on going to failure without worrying about balance.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've heard that Dorian Yates never squatted. Didn't seem to
> > keep
> > > > > him from winning 6 Mr. O's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote:
> I've
> > > > > included my comments in your text
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think our food and general knowledge of food has
evolved
> > > > since then
> > > > > > > and I think people are living longer now and what not. I
> > > > don't know
> > > > > > > if we could compare now to then without recreating those
> > > > conditions.
> > > > > > > From some of the pics I've seen, those bodybuilders from
> > > the 30's
> > > > > look
> > > > > > > about my size. And although I do hold a high opinion of
> > > myself, I
> > > > > know
> > > > > > > that I'm a mere pissant next to todays competitors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Law: I agree that there has been progress in our
> > understanding of
> > > > > > nutrition and training. More understanding today
doesn't mean
> > > that
> > > > > > they weren't applying what mattered back then though.
> They ate
> > > > lots of
> > > > > > quality sources of protein as well as other nutrients.
> > > Training wise
> > > > > > they were a bit off, for example they didn't push their
> > squats in
> > > > > > terms of poundage.. and squats are a requirement for the
> > greatest
> > > > > growth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I like being natural though which is one reason I
listen
> > > to your
> > > > > > > advice. I thought of taking drugs and it probobly
wouldn't
> > > > > destroy my
> > > > > > > life or health but it would certainly complicate
things. I
> > > > see that
> > > > > > > now natural competitions are becoming more prevalent
and if
> > > > you look
> > > > > > > around online you'll see lots of people talking about
> > "natural
> > > > > > > bodybuilding". Maybe this is the next step in the
> > evolution of
> > > > > > > bodybuilding?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Law: If there has been a benefit to the war against
steroids
> > > its the
> > > > > > drive for drug free sports.. natural bodybuilders might
> > > benefit from
> > > > > > this. I will be interesting to see what would happen to
> > > bodybuilding
> > > > > > if it was cleaned up for real.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Law
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com,
"lhosannah"
> > > > > > > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Question have bodybuilders continued to evolve and
> > progress?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If drugs, nutritional supplements and superior
> > equipment were
> > > > > removed
> > > > > > > > from bodybuilding would bodybuilders resemble the
> > > > bodybuilders from
> > > > > > > > the 1930's or would they be better?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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