Yeah he used a modified pre-exhaust that allowed for a bit of rest
between exercises, unlike Art Jones/ Mentzer pre exhaust which
involves moving from one movement straight into the other. Dorian's
version allows for more weight to be used during the second exercise
and also allows the trainee to stay anaerobic. I've tried both, both
have their benefits.

Regards squats and deads in the same workout, like everything else it
depends on what you are trying to accomplish and your stage of
training. At one point I was doing both in the same workout, which
caused a lot of growth. There also was a time where I super setted 20
rep squats with 15 rep stiff-legged deadlifts, that was brutal.
Nowadays I perform them on different days, Sunday overall thighs and
deadlifts on Mondays every 3 weeks.

So to answer your question you have to see what format allows you to
get stronger while gaining mass, experiment.



>
> Cool, it looks like he pre-exhausted his quads before going into the
pressing movements.
> Do you advocate doing Squats and deadlifts in the same workout, or
would that be too much?
>
> lhosannah <lhosannah@...> wrote: More
so the standing squatting motions hacks, smith squats. Those type
> of movements put a great deal of stress on the spine, and as a result
> the body builds up a lot of muscle to protect itself... the reason why
> I think that squats and deadlifts are so effective.
>
> One of Dorian's quad workouts
>
> Leg extension 2 warm ups 15-12 1 work set 10-12
> Leg press 1 warm up 10-12 1 work set 12
> hack squats 1 warm up 10-12 1 work set 12
>
> >
> > Yeah I heard the same thing about squats not agreeing with his
> structure. I didn't know that you were counting leg presses and hack
> squats as squats but it's definitely all the same movement.
> >
> > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote:
> Actually he did squat. In the early part of his career he used barbell
> > squats but found that they didn't agree with his structure. Dorian
> > switched over to other forms of squatting such as smith machine
squats
> > and hack squats, which are definitely squatting motions.
> >
> > When I was trained by Dorian in 2000 he said the reason he suggested
> > smith machine squats is because they allow a person to place more
> > stress on their quads, take stress of their back, and allows them to
> > focus on going to failure without worrying about balance.
> >
> > >
> > > I've heard that Dorian Yates never squatted. Didn't seem to keep
> > him from winning 6 Mr. O's
> > >
> > > lhosannah <lhosannah@> wrote: I've
> > included my comments in your text
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I think our food and general knowledge of food has evolved
> since then
> > > > and I think people are living longer now and what not. I
> don't know
> > > > if we could compare now to then without recreating those
> conditions.
> > > > From some of the pics I've seen, those bodybuilders from
the 30's
> > look
> > > > about my size. And although I do hold a high opinion of
myself, I
> > know
> > > > that I'm a mere pissant next to todays competitors.
> > >
> > > Law: I agree that there has been progress in our understanding of
> > > nutrition and training. More understanding today doesn't mean
that
> > > they weren't applying what mattered back then though. They ate
> lots of
> > > quality sources of protein as well as other nutrients.
Training wise
> > > they were a bit off, for example they didn't push their squats in
> > > terms of poundage.. and squats are a requirement for the greatest
> > growth.
> > >
> > > > I like being natural though which is one reason I listen
to your
> > > > advice. I thought of taking drugs and it probobly wouldn't
> > destroy my
> > > > life or health but it would certainly complicate things. I
> see that
> > > > now natural competitions are becoming more prevalent and if
> you look
> > > > around online you'll see lots of people talking about "natural
> > > > bodybuilding". Maybe this is the next step in the evolution of
> > > > bodybuilding?
> > >
> > > Law: If there has been a benefit to the war against steroids
its the
> > > drive for drug free sports.. natural bodybuilders might
benefit from
> > > this. I will be interesting to see what would happen to
bodybuilding
> > > if it was cleaned up for real.
> > >
> > > Law
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In LawrenceHosannahFanClub@yahoogroups.com, "lhosannah"
> > > > <lhosannah@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Question have bodybuilders continued to evolve and progress?
> > > > >
> > > > > If drugs, nutritional supplements and superior equipment were
> > removed
> > > > > from bodybuilding would bodybuilders resemble the
> bodybuilders from
> > > > > the 1930's or would they be better?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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