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Lancaster Road Runners Club

******************
MT HOPE was SATURDAY.  Under a backdrop of changing leaves, wind and rolling
hills in the fore and background, approximately 125 ran the race, ate
bagels, took home some wine, and enjoyed.  Thanks to race director Harry
Smith and consummate right arm man Jim Buchanan for putting on the run for
the wine.  Thanks also to all volunteers and of course all that ran.    This
race is growing!  Last year’s field hit the 80-90 range, this year, 125.
Look for this one to get even larger.

******************

MON 10/29
TUE 10/30 Long’s Park 6:30 PM Long’s Park, Harrisburg Pike (near mall)
WED 10/31
THU 11/01
FRI 11/02 NITE RUN 8:00 PM Mt. Gretna Int. of Pinch Rd & Rt 117
SAT 11/03
SUN 11/04 County Park 7:30 AM Lancaster County Park
MON 11/05
TUE 11/06  Long’s Park 6:30 PM Long’s Park, Harrisburg Pike (near mall)
WED 11/07
THU 11/08
FRI 11/09
SAT 11/10 Clarks Valley 8:00 AM Meet at Manheim/Mt Joy exit off rt 283
SUN 11/11
MON 11/12
TUE 11/13 Long’s Park 6:30 PM Long’s Park, Harrisburg Pike (near mall)

DETAIL/DESCRIP/OP ED/ADD’L ‘FO BELOW

******************

Please remember, all events/happenings are open to anyone and everyone
wishing to come, have fun and run.  Generally, runners find runners of like
ability to partner up.   Regardless of speed, everyone’s welcome.  So
encourage that person that’s been thinking but not acting, no one bites,
they only look like funny runners.

LONG’S PARK EVERY TUESDAY  6:30 PM The park is a convenient and safe place
to run throughout the winter and provides a great opportunity to work on
establishing consistent pace, getting accustomed to loop format running and
running in the dark under street lights.  When its ugly, dark, rainy, cold,
cloudy or crisp, clear or mild, its a little easier to get motivated at the
park then anywhere or elsewhere..... Please note that some people get there
early (6:00) to do a little extra mileage.  Rest assured, the loop is 1
5/8ish miles long, so runners will (re)appear time and again.  The second
part of the fun will take place at The Villa Nova East (not West), 1310
Harrisburg Pike.

EVERY SUNDAY 7:30 AM at the County Park, Lancaster.  Park in front of the
pool.  Run next to the pool, into woods, on to the rolling hillside next to
the conestoga creek, cross the field of dreams, into mill creek’s 2 loop
kiwanas area, look for birds in creek, ascend to the eshelman park area near
the skate park, descend to creek level then immediately ascend up no hands
hill, pass the 2 view vistas, head into the woods and over (back) to the
field of dreams, cross and head down to the conestoga creek, hit the last
hill, zip thru the garden of the five senses and have of cup of bill’s joe.

CLARKS VALLEY SAT 11/10
Location = RT 325 Northeast of the “city” of Dauphin.  Will be running a
12ish mile loop that starts and finishes at the game lands parking lot in
Clark’s Valley, where the Appalachian Trail crosses RT 325.  The run is a
counter clockwise loop on trail and railroad bed with 2 major hills.
Course: Trail = Start on the Water tank trail (blue blaze) run to railroad
bed, left on railroad bed (unblazed), left on unmarked uphill trail, right
on Horseshoe trail, left on Appalachian trail (white blaze) to finish.
Trail does have rocks.  Please bring water (min 20 oz) to carry during the
run as none will be available on the course.  Plan on a 2-3 hour run. After,
we’ll be checking out the Selinsgrove brewery-one of PA’s finest. HIGHLY
recommended.   Care to join us, RATs?

******************
RUNNING/SEMPER FI
The Marine Corps marathon took place on Sunday 10/28.  I know Greg Foster-
took part (way 2 go) anyone else?

RUNNING/SWIMMING/BIKING w/SHARKS near prison
Totally belated, but congrats to Joe Lee for competing/completing (in) the
Escape from Alcatraz Triathlon over the summer.  I liked the line “just swim
towards San Franciso”.

******************

EMAIL LIST
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get geeky and talk lots of running or other. Visit the site & get set up.
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******************


SEND BUZZARDS FLAPPING – What hundred to do, please cast your vote. Anyone
out there? Am I sending these things to 120 dead email addresses?
4 Lake Superior (MN)
4 Cascade Crest (WA)
1 Leadville (CO)
2 Angeles Crest (CA)
1 Wasatch (UT)
1 Badwater (CA)
1 The Plain (WA)
1 Mohican (OH)

******************

Races
November 3, 2001 (Saturday)
Toys for Tots 5k Wilmington, DE info@... 302-654-6400
Trail of Two Cities 5k Somers Point, NJ  856-468-0010



November 4, 2001 (Sunday)
Rusty Rudder DE Marathon CANCELLED marathon Dewey Bch, DE  call 302-654-6400
Zoo Run for Wildlife 10k Phila., PA  215-243-4375
6th Make A Wish  10k & 5k Baltimore, MD  410-484-1232
Read & Run 5 miler \ one mile walk\run Malvern, PA  610-644-7259



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I am very interested - but have to see how my vacation works out
(might be away that weekend) . . . also, I don't think that your con
is truly a con as I have never had a bad hotel experience with the
buzzards (-:

babybuzz

--- In LRRClub@y..., ultrabuzzard@h... wrote:
> I'm looking for people who are interested in car-pooling to the Fat
> Ass 50K outside Washington DC on December 15th.  It is a 50K event
on
> some of the Bull Run Run course.  The run is an out-and-back, so
even
> if you don't feel up to doing 50K (31 miles), you can turn around
> whenever you want and run whatever distance you want.  Dave
Halbleib
> has already told me he is interested, and I think Glenn Yanos may
> also be interested.  Here are the pros and cons as I see it:
>
> Pros:
>
> 1.  VHTRC (Virginia Happy Trails Running Club) is full of a lot
> of "fun" people, who are very hospitable to outsiders.
>
> 2.  No entry fee.
>
> 3.  Aid and post run refreshments are available.
>
> 4.  You can bet your sweet "bippee" that there will be a Part 2
> somewhere, with adult beverages.
>
> 5.  No one will have to drive the entire way.
>
> 6.  The Bull Run course is mostly all run-able (no monstrous hills
or
> rocks).
>
> 7.  The more Buzzards/LRRC members, the merrier.
>
> Cons:
>
> 1.  The run starts at 8:00, so we will either have to leave
Lancaster
> EXTREMELY early, or we can leave Friday night and split the cost of
> hotel rooms.
>
> 2.  There are no other cons.  If you can think of another one, you
> should probably stay home.
>
> Let me (Andy Charles) know if you are interested by phoning me at
399-
> 9798 or emailing me at ultrabuzzard@h...
>
> Evan...can you please forward this email to everyone on your email
> list?
>
> Andy

I know there's only about 7 people going to read this but thanks to
all who helped this morning.  I'll try to find out if any RATS are
doing the VHTRC Fat Ass, carpooling and split cost on a room sounds
good to me.  Getting up at three thirty and leaving by four thirty
doesn't sound near as good.
     Harry

I think we should get as many people to go as possible then drink as much
VHTRC beer as possible.  I'm in.
     El Buzz

I'm looking for people who are interested in car-pooling to the Fat
Ass 50K outside Washington DC on December 15th.  It is a 50K event on
some of the Bull Run Run course.  The run is an out-and-back, so even
if you don't feel up to doing 50K (31 miles), you can turn around
whenever you want and run whatever distance you want.  Dave Halbleib
has already told me he is interested, and I think Glenn Yanos may
also be interested.  Here are the pros and cons as I see it:

Pros:

1.  VHTRC (Virginia Happy Trails Running Club) is full of a lot
of "fun" people, who are very hospitable to outsiders.

2.  No entry fee.

3.  Aid and post run refreshments are available.

4.  You can bet your sweet "bippee" that there will be a Part 2
somewhere, with adult beverages.

5.  No one will have to drive the entire way.

6.  The Bull Run course is mostly all run-able (no monstrous hills or
rocks).

7.  The more Buzzards/LRRC members, the merrier.

Cons:

1.  The run starts at 8:00, so we will either have to leave Lancaster
EXTREMELY early, or we can leave Friday night and split the cost of
hotel rooms.

2.  There are no other cons.  If you can think of another one, you
should probably stay home.

Let me (Andy Charles) know if you are interested by phoning me at 399-
9798 or emailing me at ultrabuzzard@...

Evan...can you please forward this email to everyone on your email
list?

Andy

See ya tomorrow at mt hope then the big party.

Lancaster Road Runners Club
******************
space sponsored by Chaco, the only name in sandals

******************
MT HOPE = SATURDAY

Please remember, all events/happenings are open to anyone and everyone
wishing to come, have fun and run.  Generally runners find runners of like
ability to partner up.   Regardless of speed, everyone’s welcome.  So
encourage that person that’s been thinking but not acting, no one bites,
they only look like funny runners.

******************

WED 10/24
THU 10/25
FRI 10/26
SAT 10/27 MT HOPE 10:00 AM Mt. Hope Estate & Winery see below
SAT 10/27  HALLOWEEN  6:30 PM   Elm St Lancaster USA
SUN 10/28 County Park 7:30 AM Lancaster County Park
MON 10/29
TUE 10/30 Long’s Park 6:30 PM Long’s Park, Harrisburg Pike (near mall)
WED 10/31
THU 11/01
FRI 11/02 NITE RUN 8:00 PM Mt. Gretna Int. of Pinch Rd & Rt 117
SAT 11/03
SUN 11/04 County Park 7:30 AM Lancaster County Park
MON 11/05
TUE 11/06  Long’s Park 6:30 PM Long’s Park, Harrisburg Pike (near mall)
WED 11/07
THU 11/08
FRI 11/09
SAT 11/10 Clarks Valley 8:00 AM Meet at Manheim/Mt Joy exit off rt 283

DETAIL/DESCRIP/OP ED/ADD’L ‘FO BELOW

******************

LONG’S PARK NOW EVERY TUESDAY  The park is a convenient and safe place to
run throughout the winter and provides a good opportunity to work on
establishing consistent pace, getting accustomed to loop format running and
running in the dark under street lights.  When its ugly, dark, rainy, cold,
cloudy or crisp, clear or mild, its a little easier to get motivated at the
park then anywhere or elsewhere..... Please note that some people get there
early (6:00) to do a little extra mileage.  Rest assured, the loop is 1
5/8ish miles long, runners will reappear time and again.  When temps hover
in the 30s people get to park, get out of car and get-a-move-on as only the
truly hardy, and perhaps large, can stand around and gab during low temps.

EVERY SUNDAY 7:30 AM at the County Park, Lancaster.  Park in front of the
pool.  Run next to the pool, into woods, on to the rolling hillside next to
the conestoga creek, cross the field of dreams, into mill creek’s 2 loop
kiwanas area, look for birds in creek, ascend to the eshelman park area near
the skate park, descend to creek level then immediately ascend up no hands
hill, pass the 2 view vistas, head into the woods and over (back) to the
field of dreams, cross and head down to the conestoga creek, hit the last
hill, zip thru the garden of the five senses and have of cup of bill’s joe.

CLARKS VALLEY SAT 11/10
Location = RT 325 Northeast of the “city” of Dauphin.  Will be running a
12ish mile loop that starts and finishes at the game lands parking lot in
Clark’s Valley, where the Appalachian Trail crosses RT 325.  The run is a
counter clockwise loop on trail and railroad bed with 2 major hills.
Course: Trail = Start on the Water tank trail (blue blaze) run to railroad
bed, left on railroad bed (unblazed), left on unmarked uphill trail, right
on Horseshoe trail, left on Appalachian trail (white blaze) to finish.
Trail does have rocks.  Please bring water (min 20 oz) to carry during the
run as none will be available on the course.  Plan on a 2-3 hour run. After,
we’ll be checking out the Selinsgrove brewery-one of PA’s finest. HIGHLY
recommended.   Care to join us, RATs?

******************

BALTIMORE MARATHON
In case it becomes a bone of contention ‘round the campfire someday,
Baltimore’s marathon course does indeed have hills-at least for the first 17
miles. After that, its flat or downhill.  The race certainly hit on all
points that make a great time a great time-great weather, great course,
great fan support, great aid stations, great things to do before and after
the race as well as a NEW concept-a Saturday marathon.  Now people can
actually relax and pursue fun after the race instead of scurrying to get
home/work or burning a vacation day.....  The race had approx 5200 finishers
this year, and am sure the number doubles or triples when the good word gets
out.  Those that did: Larry Burkett, Cyndi Dolgas, Eric Hoerner, Steve
Farrah, Jeff Bradley, Karen Shiley, Bob Long, Joe Lee, Jody Brown,  &
me-Evan.  Any more? lemme know.  (Lancaster runner) Connie Buckwalter was
the third overall female at 2:56ish. The site.......
www.thebaltimoremarathon.com  results can be found at
http://www.thebaltimoremarathon.com/Results.xls - you’ll probably need MS
excel to view.  The only odd thing about this thing was a new aid station
ritual-on 3 separate occasions, I’d put out my hand to grab a cup of water
only to have the cup drawn away from my hand.   Admittedly, the last road
marathon I ran was 14 months ago, so I guess I’m not up on current marathon
etiquette-something in my body language that tells cup person to retract
water cup when 1 wants water cup?   Anyone know what this ritual means????
Mercifully, the ritual did not repeat itself in the tavern community
following the race.

RUN ACROSS BERKS COUNTY..........
Was held on Sun 10/21.  Harry Smith and some RATS (Reading Area Trail Slogs/
runners) ran 50ish miles across the 4 letter pluralized county to our north.
   Uncertain if this is the first such crossing, but probably is, Harry can
now add this to his extensive running resume.  Doing the Continental Divide
Trail soon?

EMAIL LIST
The LRRC is now on Yahoo’s Groups email list.  What is it?  Its a little
painful to get on but once you’re on, you’re on. Visit the site & get set
up.
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******************
RACES CLOSE BY

MT HOPE DISTANCE CLASSIC 10/27
DISTANCE 7 Mile Road Race
WHEN October 27, 2001  10:00 AM
WHERE Mount Hope Estate & Winery  Route 72 Close to Turnpike Exit 20 (you
can see from turnpike)
DIRECTIONS Take Route 72 head ¼ mile south of PA Turnpike Exit 20
APPLICATION: LRRC website: http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/MtHope.html

EVANSBURG 10/28
Note from our roving Berks county rover/rd, Ron Horn on the Evansburg 10
mile Trail Run in Collegeville, PA on Oct 28th.  “ “It's a nice entry level
10 mile trail run with two wide but shallow creek crossings and loads of
sinkholes filled with pony poo. Interested folks can contact [Ron Horn] at
610-779-2668 nights and weekends.” “

RACES NOT AS CLOSE BY

MARINE CORPS MARATHON
Anyone doing?  This is the original “people’s marathon”.  Forget the buses,
walking tours, and other tourist stuff, this is the race that gives the best
tour of DC and provides the best crowd view (view runners from multiple
locations without car hassle) of any marathon out there. As of Tues, 10/23,
the race is still on.  Visit the site for more info -
http://www.marinemarathon.com/

******************

RANDOM mull over stuff
Received a $50 tuition voucher from/to my alma mater-Rochester Institute of
Technology (not RPI, not RTI, or the U or R;..........RIT).  Technically,
this means the $50 application fee is waived to the applicant.  Normally I
throw this type of thing out with all the other “You’ve given us 4-5 years
of tuition dollars, why not contribute to our trillion dollar endowment” but
this is actually something that saves the 50 bucks that’s required from
interested applicants.  So, if you’ve got a child, or if you are a child
that’s thinking about heading to RIT for the next 4-5 years, I’ll be happy
to throw this thing in the mail to the first person that shouts. Lemme know
- esandt@... - I still have this thing-Its free. Very un
lancastercountylike to turn down something free....

******************

HALLOWEEN HITS ELM ST
Does this have to do with running? Sure, we’ll be talking all about running
while drinking at 243 Elm Street, Lancaster PA, USA.  Don your cap, gown or
any particular costume you care to don and ham it up on Elm St October 27,
6:30 pm.  LRRC resident females, Karen Shiley (little, not big, Karen) and
Cyndi (don’t forget the i and the y) Dolgas will be putting on this little
party to celebrate the best holiday of the year, Halloween. Delightful
beverages will be available to everyone that attends. They do request that
attendees bring some semblance of potluck (defined, this means whatever food
is on hand without special buying) food.  Everything else will be already
there-won’t have to eat with fingers.   Everyone reading this little invite
is invited, even RATS. Come one, come all. Don’t be shy, even if one does
not know anyone, they certainly will on 10/27 in short order.  Details?
esandt@... & I’ll get you to the right place/I’ll have my people
talk to your people/blahblahblahblahblah. Oh yeah, please RSVP (what’s this
stand for?-see above.

SEND BUZZARDS PACKING – What hundred to do.   Some recent ballot box
stuffing has led to Superior taking the lead, however new votes for Mohican
and Cascade have surfaced...........
4 Lake Superior (MN)
4 Cascade Crest (WA)
1 Leadville (CO)
2 Angeles Crest (CA)
1 Wasatch (UT)
1 Badwater (CA)
1 The Plain (WA)
1 Mohican (OH)
******************

Races

October 27, 2001 (Saturday)
	 Seaside Run 10 mile\ 5k \ biathlon Ocean City, MD
	 Saint Mary Magdalen School 5k Wilmington,
DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 4th Mt. Hope Distance Classic 7 miles Cornwall,
PA trailbuzzard@... 717-653-2015
	 Smith-McMillian Run 5k Wilmington,DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 Back to School 5k Oaklyn, NJ oaklynrun@... 856-858-0335
	 David J. Good Memorial 5k Lionville, PA  610-363-9450
	 8th Annual Great Pumpkin Chase

	 5k Harrisburg, Pa  The Cathedral Church of St. Stephens  Kathy Jones,
717-761-2575 (h) or the church office 717-236-4059
October 28, 2001 (Sunday)
	 Commadore   Barry Bridge Run postponed till Spring due to
construction Commadore Barry Bridge, NJ info@... 302-654-6400
	 Radnor Run 5 miles Radnor, PA  610-941-9595
	 NE Road Runners 25k Phila, PA  215-289-6285
	 Lupus Loop Run 5 miles Phila., PA  215-877-9061
	 Evansburg Challenge 10 mile trail run Collegeville,
PA rhornpcs@... 610-631-1009
	 DuPont Hospital 5k* 5k Wilmington,DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 Red Ribbon Kids Against Drugs  5k Wilmington,
DE kriccio@... 302-658-7617
	 Race for the Cure 5k Princeton, NJ  609-497-2126
	 Katz JCC 5k Cherry Hill, NJ  856-424-4444x140
	 Fallbehind X-Country 5k Washington Twp., NJ nickp@... 856-582-8811
	 DCCC Challenge 5k Media, PA  610-359-5354
	 Seawitch Fall Classic 5k Rehoboth Bch,
DE tbamforth@... 302-947-1772







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final results:


POLL QUESTION: If you were an animal - what would you
be?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
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- BobCat, 2 votes, 50.00%
- Dragonfly, 2 votes, 50.00%
- Pirannha, 0 votes, 0.00%



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oh dear . . . we'll have to introduce you to the wonders of Tom Waits on the
drive to JFK . . . be prepared for high level music appreciation!


>From: marcia_peters@...
>Reply-To: LRRClub@yahoogroups.com
>To: LRRClub@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [LRRClub] Digest Number 5
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:03:11 -0500
>
>who's Tom Waits?  We should clarify that JFK50 is being held Nov 17--the
>Trail
>News shows it as Nov 4.
>
>
>
>
>LRRClub@yahoogroups.com on 10/24/2001 10:56:10 AM
>
>Please respond to LRRClub@yahoogroups.com
>
>To:   LRRClub@yahoogroups.com
>cc:    (bcc: Marcia Peters/PA/ARS/US/AON)
>Subject:  [LRRClub] Digest Number 5
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>LRRClub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>There is 1 message in this issue.
>
>Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. LRRC  banter
>            From: "Evan Sandt" <esandt@...>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
>    Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:02:21 -0400
>    From: "Evan Sandt" <esandt@...>
>Subject: LRRC  banter
>
>
>Lancaster Road Runners Club
>
>******************
>MT HOPE = SATURDAY
>
>******************
>
>Listen to Tom Waits, its good for the soul.
>
>******************
>Cross Berks County - run
>Baltimore ? corrected, added rumbling/rambling
>Marine Corps Marathon ? its on!
>100 mile ballot stuffing
>Ode to the park
>
>******************
>
>WED  10/24
>THU  10/25
>FRI  10/26
>SAT  10/27     MT HOPE   10:00 AM  Mt. Hope Estate & Winery see below
>SAT  10/27  HALLOWEEN    6:30 PM   Elm St Lancaster USA
>SUN  10/28     County Park    7:30 AM    Lancaster County Park
>MON  10/29
>TUE  10/30     Long?s Park    6:30 PM    Long?s Park, Harrisburg Pike (near
>mall)
>WED  10/31
>THU  11/01
>FRI  11/02     NITE RUN  8:00 PM   Mt. Gretna Int. of Pinch Rd & Rt 117
>
>DETAIL/DESCRIP/OP ED/ADD?L ?FO BELOW
>
>LONG?S PARK TUESDAY Run the park during the evil clock change orchestrated
>by evil soccer moms(-no logic supports this time change, none, zero,
>none-).
>   Park/start at pavilion next to large-kid-jungle gym-playing area ? its a
>pain to find first off, but the pain translates to knowledge once one knows
>where to go-its no longer painful. The park is a convenient and safe place
>to run throughout the winter and provides a good opportunity to work on
>establishing consistent pace, getting accustomed to loop format running and
>running in the dark under street lights.  When its ugly, dark, rainy, cold,
>cloudy or crisp, clear or mild, its a little easier to get motivated at the
>park then anywhere or elsewhere.....
>
>EVERY SUNDAY 7:30 AM at the County Park, Lancaster.  Park in front of the
>pool.  Run next to the pool, into woods, on to the rolling hillside next to
>the conestoga creek, cross the field of dreams, into mill creek?s 2 loop
>kiwanas area, look for birds in creek, ascend to the eshelman park area
>near
>the skate park, descend to creek level then immediately ascend up no hands
>hill, pass the 2 view vistas, head into the woods and over (back) to the
>field of dreams, cross and head down to the conestoga creek, hit the last
>hill, zip thru the garden of the five senses and have of cup of bill?s joe.
>
>******************
>
>BALTIMORE MARATHON
>In case it becomes a bone of contention ?round the campfire someday,
>Baltimore?s marathon course does indeed have hills-at least for the first
>17
>miles. After that, its flat or downhill.  The race certainly hit on all
>points that make a great time a great time-great weather, great course,
>great fan support, great aid stations, great things to do before and after
>the race as well as a NEW concept-a Saturday marathon.  Now people can
>actually relax and pursue fun after the race instead of scurrying to get
>back home/work or burning a vacation day.....  The race had approx 5200
>finishers this year, and am sure the number doubles or triples when the
>good
>word (which travels fast) gets out.  Those that did: Larry Burkett, Cyndi
>Dolgas, Eric Hoerner, Steve Farrah, Jeff Bradley, Karen Shiley, Bob Long,
>Joe Lee, Jody Brown,  & me-Evan.  Any more? lemme know.  (Lancaster runner)
>Connie Buckwalter was the third overall female at 2:56ish. The site.......
>www.thebaltimoremarathon.com  results can be found at
>http://www.thebaltimoremarathon.com/Results.xls - you?ll probably need MS
>excel to view.  The only odd thing about this thing was a new aid station
>ritual-on 3 separate occasions, I?d put out my hand to grab a cup of water
>only to have the cup drawn away from my hand.   Admittedly, the last road
>marathon I ran was 14 months ago, so I guess I?m not up on current marathon
>etiquette-something in my body language that tells cup person to retract
>water cup when 1 wants water cup?   Mercifully, this ritual did not repeat
>itself in the tavern community following the race.
>
>RUN ACROSS BERKS COUNTY..........
>Was held on Sun 10/21.  Harry Smith and some RATS (Reading Area Trail
>Slogs/
>runners) ran 50ish miles across the 4 letter pluralized county to our
>north.
>   Uncertain if this is the first such crossing, but probably is, Harry can
>add this to his large running resume.  Doing the Continental Divide Trail
>soon?
>
>EMAIL LIST
>The LRRC is now on Yahoo?s Groups email list.  What is it?  Its a little
>painful to get on but once you?re on, you?re on. Visit the site & get set
>up.
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRClub - website address/destination
>
>******************
>RACES CLOSE BY
>
>MT HOPE DISTANCE CLASSIC 10/27
>DISTANCE 7 Mile Road Race
>WHEN October 27, 2001  10:00 AM
>WHERE Mount Hope Estate & Winery  Route 72 Close to Turnpike Exit 20 (you
>can see from turnpike)
>DIRECTIONS Take Route 72 head ? mile south of PA Turnpike Exit 20
>APPLICATION: LRRC website: http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/MtHope.html
>
>EVANSBURG 10/28
>Note from our roving Berks county rover, Ron Horn on the Evansburg 10 mile
>Trail Run in Collegeville, PA on Oct 28th.  ? ?It's a nice entry level 10
>mile trail run with two wide but shallow creek crossings and loads of
>sinkholes filled with pony poo. Interested folks can contact [Ron Horn] at
>610-779-2668 nights and weekends.? ?
>
>RACES NOT AS CLOSE BY
>
>MARINE CORPS MARATHON
>Anyone doing?  The original ?people?s marathon?.  Forget the buses, walking
>tours, and other tourist stuff, this is the race that gives the best tour
>of
>DC and provides the best crowd view (view runners from multiple locations
>without car hassle) of any marathon out there. As of Tues, 10/23, the race
>is still on.  Visit the site for more info -
>http://www.marinemarathon.com/
>
>******************
>
>RANDOM mull over stuff
>Received a $50 tuition voucher from/to my alma mater-Rochester Institute of
>Technology (not RPI, not RTI, or the U or R;..........RIT).  Technically,
>this means the $50 application fee is waived to the applicant.  Normally I
>throw this type of thing out with all the other ?You?ve given us 4-5 years
>of tuition dollars, why not contribute to our trillion dollar endowment?
>but
>this is actually something that saves the 50 bucks that?s required from
>interested applicants.  So, if you?ve got a child, or if you are a child
>that?s thinking about heading to RIT for the next 4-5 years, I?ll be happy
>to throw this thing in the mail to the first person that shouts. Lemme know
>- esandt@... - I still have this thing-Its free. Very unlike
>lancastercountylike to turn down something free....
>
>******************
>
>HALLOWEEN HITS ELM ST
>Does this have to do with running? Sure, we?ll be talking all about running
>while drinking at 243 Elm Street, Lancaster PA, USA.  Don your cap, gown or
>any particular costume you care to don and ham it up on Elm St October 27,
>6:30 pm.  LRRC resident females, Karen Shiley (little, not big, Karen) and
>Cyndi (don?t forget the i and the y) Dolgas will be putting on this little
>party to celebrate the best holiday of the year, Halloween. Delightful
>beverages will be available to everyone that attends. They do request that
>attendees bring some semblance of potluck (defined, this means whatever
>food
>is on hand without special buying) food.  Everything else will be already
>there-won?t have to eat with fingers.   Everyone reading this little invite
>is invited, even RATS. Come one, come all. Don?t be shy, even if one does
>not know anyone, they certainly will on 10/27 in short order.  Details?
>esandt@... & I?ll get you to the right place/I?ll have my people
>talk to your people/blahblahblahblahblah. Oh yeah, please RSVP (what?s this
>stand for?-see above.
>
>SEND BUZZARDS PACKING ? What hundred to do.   Some recent ballot box
>stuffing has led to Superior taking the lead
>4 Lake Superior (MN)
>3 Cascade Crest (WA)
>1 Leadville (CO)
>2 Angeles Crest (CA)
>1 Wasatch (UT)
>1 Badwater (CA)
>1 The Plain (WA)
>
>******************
>
>Races
>
>October 27, 2001 (Saturday)
>      Seaside Run    10 mile\ 5k \ biathlon    Ocean City, MD
>      Saint Mary Magdalen School    5k    Wilmington,
>DE   info@...  302-654-6400
>      4th Mt. Hope Distance Classic 7 miles    Cornwall,
>PA   trailbuzzard@... 717-653-2015
>      Smith-McMillian Run 5k   Wilmington,DE   info@...
>302-654-6400
>      Back to School 5k   Oaklyn, NJ      oaklynrun@...
>856-858-0335
>      David J. Good Memorial   5k   Lionville, PA        610-363-9450
>      8th Annual Great Pumpkin Chase
>
>      5k   Harrisburg, Pa  The Cathedral Church of St. Stephens
>Kathy
>Jones,
>717-761-2575 (h) or the church office 717-236-4059
>October 28, 2001 (Sunday)
>      Commadore   Barry Bridge Run  postponed till Spring due to
>construction   Commadore Barry Bridge, NJ     info@...
>302-654-6400
>      Radnor Run     5 miles   Radnor, PA           610-941-9595
>      NE Road Runners     25k  Phila, PA       215-289-6285
>      Lupus Loop Run 5 miles   Phila., PA           215-877-9061
>      Evansburg Challenge 10 mile trail run    Collegeville,
>PA   rhornpcs@...    610-631-1009
>      DuPont Hospital 5k* 5k   Wilmington,DE   info@...
>302-654-6400
>      Red Ribbon Kids Against Drugs       5k   Wilmington,
>DE   kriccio@...    302-658-7617
>      Race for the Cure   5k   Princeton, NJ        609-497-2126
>      Katz JCC  5k   Cherry Hill, NJ           856-424-4444x140
>      Fallbehind X-Country     5k   Washington Twp., NJ  nickp@...
>856-582-8811
>      DCCC Challenge 5k   Media, PA       610-359-5354
>      Seawitch Fall Classic    5k   Rehoboth Bch,
>DE   tbamforth@...    302-947-1772
>
>
>
>
>
>
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    Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:02:21 -0400
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Lancaster Road Runners Club

******************
MT HOPE = SATURDAY

******************

Listen to Tom Waits, its good for the soul.

******************
Cross Berks County - run
Baltimore ? corrected, added rumbling/rambling
Marine Corps Marathon ? its on!
100 mile ballot stuffing
Ode to the park

******************

WED  10/24
THU  10/25
FRI  10/26
SAT  10/27     MT HOPE   10:00 AM  Mt. Hope Estate & Winery see below
SAT  10/27  HALLOWEEN    6:30 PM   Elm St Lancaster USA
SUN  10/28     County Park    7:30 AM    Lancaster County Park
MON  10/29
TUE  10/30     Long?s Park    6:30 PM    Long?s Park, Harrisburg Pike (near
mall)
WED  10/31
THU  11/01
FRI  11/02     NITE RUN  8:00 PM   Mt. Gretna Int. of Pinch Rd & Rt 117

DETAIL/DESCRIP/OP ED/ADD?L ?FO BELOW

LONG?S PARK TUESDAY Run the park during the evil clock change orchestrated
by evil soccer moms(-no logic supports this time change, none, zero, none-).
   Park/start at pavilion next to large-kid-jungle gym-playing area ? its a
pain to find first off, but the pain translates to knowledge once one knows
where to go-its no longer painful. The park is a convenient and safe place
to run throughout the winter and provides a good opportunity to work on
establishing consistent pace, getting accustomed to loop format running and
running in the dark under street lights.  When its ugly, dark, rainy, cold,
cloudy or crisp, clear or mild, its a little easier to get motivated at the
park then anywhere or elsewhere.....

EVERY SUNDAY 7:30 AM at the County Park, Lancaster.  Park in front of the
pool.  Run next to the pool, into woods, on to the rolling hillside next to
the conestoga creek, cross the field of dreams, into mill creek?s 2 loop
kiwanas area, look for birds in creek, ascend to the eshelman park area near
the skate park, descend to creek level then immediately ascend up no hands
hill, pass the 2 view vistas, head into the woods and over (back) to the
field of dreams, cross and head down to the conestoga creek, hit the last
hill, zip thru the garden of the five senses and have of cup of bill?s joe.

******************

BALTIMORE MARATHON
In case it becomes a bone of contention ?round the campfire someday,
Baltimore?s marathon course does indeed have hills-at least for the first 17
miles. After that, its flat or downhill.  The race certainly hit on all
points that make a great time a great time-great weather, great course,
great fan support, great aid stations, great things to do before and after
the race as well as a NEW concept-a Saturday marathon.  Now people can
actually relax and pursue fun after the race instead of scurrying to get
back home/work or burning a vacation day.....  The race had approx 5200
finishers this year, and am sure the number doubles or triples when the good
word (which travels fast) gets out.  Those that did: Larry Burkett, Cyndi
Dolgas, Eric Hoerner, Steve Farrah, Jeff Bradley, Karen Shiley, Bob Long,
Joe Lee, Jody Brown,  & me-Evan.  Any more? lemme know.  (Lancaster runner)
Connie Buckwalter was the third overall female at 2:56ish. The site.......
www.thebaltimoremarathon.com  results can be found at
http://www.thebaltimoremarathon.com/Results.xls - you?ll probably need MS
excel to view.  The only odd thing about this thing was a new aid station
ritual-on 3 separate occasions, I?d put out my hand to grab a cup of water
only to have the cup drawn away from my hand.   Admittedly, the last road
marathon I ran was 14 months ago, so I guess I?m not up on current marathon
etiquette-something in my body language that tells cup person to retract
water cup when 1 wants water cup?   Mercifully, this ritual did not repeat
itself in the tavern community following the race.

RUN ACROSS BERKS COUNTY..........
Was held on Sun 10/21.  Harry Smith and some RATS (Reading Area Trail Slogs/
runners) ran 50ish miles across the 4 letter pluralized county to our north.
   Uncertain if this is the first such crossing, but probably is, Harry can
add this to his large running resume.  Doing the Continental Divide Trail
soon?

EMAIL LIST
The LRRC is now on Yahoo?s Groups email list.  What is it?  Its a little
painful to get on but once you?re on, you?re on. Visit the site & get set
up.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRClub - website address/destination

******************
RACES CLOSE BY

MT HOPE DISTANCE CLASSIC 10/27
DISTANCE 7 Mile Road Race
WHEN October 27, 2001  10:00 AM
WHERE Mount Hope Estate & Winery  Route 72 Close to Turnpike Exit 20 (you
can see from turnpike)
DIRECTIONS Take Route 72 head ? mile south of PA Turnpike Exit 20
APPLICATION: LRRC website: http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/MtHope.html

EVANSBURG 10/28
Note from our roving Berks county rover, Ron Horn on the Evansburg 10 mile
Trail Run in Collegeville, PA on Oct 28th.  ? ?It's a nice entry level 10
mile trail run with two wide but shallow creek crossings and loads of
sinkholes filled with pony poo. Interested folks can contact [Ron Horn] at
610-779-2668 nights and weekends.? ?

RACES NOT AS CLOSE BY

MARINE CORPS MARATHON
Anyone doing?  The original ?people?s marathon?.  Forget the buses, walking
tours, and other tourist stuff, this is the race that gives the best tour of
DC and provides the best crowd view (view runners from multiple locations
without car hassle) of any marathon out there. As of Tues, 10/23, the race
is still on.  Visit the site for more info -  http://www.marinemarathon.com/

******************

RANDOM mull over stuff
Received a $50 tuition voucher from/to my alma mater-Rochester Institute of
Technology (not RPI, not RTI, or the U or R;..........RIT).  Technically,
this means the $50 application fee is waived to the applicant.  Normally I
throw this type of thing out with all the other ?You?ve given us 4-5 years
of tuition dollars, why not contribute to our trillion dollar endowment? but
this is actually something that saves the 50 bucks that?s required from
interested applicants.  So, if you?ve got a child, or if you are a child
that?s thinking about heading to RIT for the next 4-5 years, I?ll be happy
to throw this thing in the mail to the first person that shouts. Lemme know
- esandt@... - I still have this thing-Its free. Very unlike
lancastercountylike to turn down something free....

******************

HALLOWEEN HITS ELM ST
Does this have to do with running? Sure, we?ll be talking all about running
while drinking at 243 Elm Street, Lancaster PA, USA.  Don your cap, gown or
any particular costume you care to don and ham it up on Elm St October 27,
6:30 pm.  LRRC resident females, Karen Shiley (little, not big, Karen) and
Cyndi (don?t forget the i and the y) Dolgas will be putting on this little
party to celebrate the best holiday of the year, Halloween. Delightful
beverages will be available to everyone that attends. They do request that
attendees bring some semblance of potluck (defined, this means whatever food
is on hand without special buying) food.  Everything else will be already
there-won?t have to eat with fingers.   Everyone reading this little invite
is invited, even RATS. Come one, come all. Don?t be shy, even if one does
not know anyone, they certainly will on 10/27 in short order.  Details?
esandt@... & I?ll get you to the right place/I?ll have my people
talk to your people/blahblahblahblahblah. Oh yeah, please RSVP (what?s this
stand for?-see above.

SEND BUZZARDS PACKING ? What hundred to do.   Some recent ballot box
stuffing has led to Superior taking the lead
4 Lake Superior (MN)
3 Cascade Crest (WA)
1 Leadville (CO)
2 Angeles Crest (CA)
1 Wasatch (UT)
1 Badwater (CA)
1 The Plain (WA)

******************

Races

October 27, 2001 (Saturday)
      Seaside Run    10 mile\ 5k \ biathlon    Ocean City, MD
      Saint Mary Magdalen School    5k    Wilmington,
DE   info@...  302-654-6400
      4th Mt. Hope Distance Classic 7 miles    Cornwall,
PA   trailbuzzard@... 717-653-2015
      Smith-McMillian Run 5k   Wilmington,DE   info@...  302-654-6400
      Back to School 5k   Oaklyn, NJ      oaklynrun@...      856-858-0335
      David J. Good Memorial   5k   Lionville, PA        610-363-9450
      8th Annual Great Pumpkin Chase

      5k   Harrisburg, Pa  The Cathedral Church of St. Stephens         Kathy
Jones,
717-761-2575 (h) or the church office 717-236-4059
October 28, 2001 (Sunday)
      Commadore   Barry Bridge Run  postponed till Spring due to
construction   Commadore Barry Bridge, NJ     info@...  302-654-6400
      Radnor Run     5 miles   Radnor, PA           610-941-9595
      NE Road Runners     25k  Phila, PA       215-289-6285
      Lupus Loop Run 5 miles   Phila., PA           215-877-9061
      Evansburg Challenge 10 mile trail run    Collegeville,
PA   rhornpcs@...    610-631-1009
      DuPont Hospital 5k* 5k   Wilmington,DE   info@...  302-654-6400
      Red Ribbon Kids Against Drugs       5k   Wilmington,
DE   kriccio@...    302-658-7617
      Race for the Cure   5k   Princeton, NJ        609-497-2126
      Katz JCC  5k   Cherry Hill, NJ           856-424-4444x140
      Fallbehind X-Country     5k   Washington Twp., NJ  nickp@...
856-582-8811
      DCCC Challenge 5k   Media, PA       610-359-5354
      Seawitch Fall Classic    5k   Rehoboth Bch,
DE   tbamforth@...    302-947-1772







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Lancaster Road Runners Club

******************
MT HOPE = SATURDAY

******************

Listen to Tom Waits, its good for the soul.

******************
Cross Berks County - run
Baltimore – corrected, added rumbling/rambling
Marine Corps Marathon – its on!
100 mile ballot stuffing
Ode to the park

******************

WED 10/24
THU 10/25
FRI 10/26
SAT 10/27 MT HOPE 10:00 AM Mt. Hope Estate & Winery see below
SAT 10/27  HALLOWEEN  6:30 PM   Elm St Lancaster USA
SUN 10/28 County Park 7:30 AM Lancaster County Park
MON 10/29
TUE 10/30 Long’s Park 6:30 PM Long’s Park, Harrisburg Pike (near mall)
WED 10/31
THU 11/01
FRI 11/02 NITE RUN 8:00 PM Mt. Gretna Int. of Pinch Rd & Rt 117

DETAIL/DESCRIP/OP ED/ADD’L ‘FO BELOW

LONG’S PARK TUESDAY Run the park during the evil clock change orchestrated
by evil soccer moms(-no logic supports this time change, none, zero, none-).
   Park/start at pavilion next to large-kid-jungle gym-playing area – its a
pain to find first off, but the pain translates to knowledge once one knows
where to go-its no longer painful. The park is a convenient and safe place
to run throughout the winter and provides a good opportunity to work on
establishing consistent pace, getting accustomed to loop format running and
running in the dark under street lights.  When its ugly, dark, rainy, cold,
cloudy or crisp, clear or mild, its a little easier to get motivated at the
park then anywhere or elsewhere.....

EVERY SUNDAY 7:30 AM at the County Park, Lancaster.  Park in front of the
pool.  Run next to the pool, into woods, on to the rolling hillside next to
the conestoga creek, cross the field of dreams, into mill creek’s 2 loop
kiwanas area, look for birds in creek, ascend to the eshelman park area near
the skate park, descend to creek level then immediately ascend up no hands
hill, pass the 2 view vistas, head into the woods and over (back) to the
field of dreams, cross and head down to the conestoga creek, hit the last
hill, zip thru the garden of the five senses and have of cup of bill’s joe.

******************

BALTIMORE MARATHON
In case it becomes a bone of contention ‘round the campfire someday,
Baltimore’s marathon course does indeed have hills-at least for the first 17
miles. After that, its flat or downhill.  The race certainly hit on all
points that make a great time a great time-great weather, great course,
great fan support, great aid stations, great things to do before and after
the race as well as a NEW concept-a Saturday marathon.  Now people can
actually relax and pursue fun after the race instead of scurrying to get
back home/work or burning a vacation day.....  The race had approx 5200
finishers this year, and am sure the number doubles or triples when the good
word (which travels fast) gets out.  Those that did: Larry Burkett, Cyndi
Dolgas, Eric Hoerner, Steve Farrah, Jeff Bradley, Karen Shiley, Bob Long,
Joe Lee, Jody Brown,  & me-Evan.  Any more? lemme know.  (Lancaster runner)
Connie Buckwalter was the third overall female at 2:56ish. The site.......
www.thebaltimoremarathon.com  results can be found at
http://www.thebaltimoremarathon.com/Results.xls - you’ll probably need MS
excel to view.  The only odd thing about this thing was a new aid station
ritual-on 3 separate occasions, I’d put out my hand to grab a cup of water
only to have the cup drawn away from my hand.   Admittedly, the last road
marathon I ran was 14 months ago, so I guess I’m not up on current marathon
etiquette-something in my body language that tells cup person to retract
water cup when 1 wants water cup?   Mercifully, this ritual did not repeat
itself in the tavern community following the race.

RUN ACROSS BERKS COUNTY..........
Was held on Sun 10/21.  Harry Smith and some RATS (Reading Area Trail Slogs/
runners) ran 50ish miles across the 4 letter pluralized county to our north.
   Uncertain if this is the first such crossing, but probably is, Harry can
add this to his large running resume.  Doing the Continental Divide Trail
soon?

EMAIL LIST
The LRRC is now on Yahoo’s Groups email list.  What is it?  Its a little
painful to get on but once you’re on, you’re on. Visit the site & get set
up.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRClub - website address/destination

******************
RACES CLOSE BY

MT HOPE DISTANCE CLASSIC 10/27
DISTANCE 7 Mile Road Race
WHEN October 27, 2001  10:00 AM
WHERE Mount Hope Estate & Winery  Route 72 Close to Turnpike Exit 20 (you
can see from turnpike)
DIRECTIONS Take Route 72 head ¼ mile south of PA Turnpike Exit 20
APPLICATION: LRRC website: http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/MtHope.html

EVANSBURG 10/28
Note from our roving Berks county rover, Ron Horn on the Evansburg 10 mile
Trail Run in Collegeville, PA on Oct 28th.  “ “It's a nice entry level 10
mile trail run with two wide but shallow creek crossings and loads of
sinkholes filled with pony poo. Interested folks can contact [Ron Horn] at
610-779-2668 nights and weekends.” “

RACES NOT AS CLOSE BY

MARINE CORPS MARATHON
Anyone doing?  The original “people’s marathon”.  Forget the buses, walking
tours, and other tourist stuff, this is the race that gives the best tour of
DC and provides the best crowd view (view runners from multiple locations
without car hassle) of any marathon out there. As of Tues, 10/23, the race
is still on.  Visit the site for more info -  http://www.marinemarathon.com/

******************

RANDOM mull over stuff
Received a $50 tuition voucher from/to my alma mater-Rochester Institute of
Technology (not RPI, not RTI, or the U or R;..........RIT).  Technically,
this means the $50 application fee is waived to the applicant.  Normally I
throw this type of thing out with all the other “You’ve given us 4-5 years
of tuition dollars, why not contribute to our trillion dollar endowment” but
this is actually something that saves the 50 bucks that’s required from
interested applicants.  So, if you’ve got a child, or if you are a child
that’s thinking about heading to RIT for the next 4-5 years, I’ll be happy
to throw this thing in the mail to the first person that shouts. Lemme know
- esandt@... - I still have this thing-Its free. Very unlike
lancastercountylike to turn down something free....

******************

HALLOWEEN HITS ELM ST
Does this have to do with running? Sure, we’ll be talking all about running
while drinking at 243 Elm Street, Lancaster PA, USA.  Don your cap, gown or
any particular costume you care to don and ham it up on Elm St October 27,
6:30 pm.  LRRC resident females, Karen Shiley (little, not big, Karen) and
Cyndi (don’t forget the i and the y) Dolgas will be putting on this little
party to celebrate the best holiday of the year, Halloween. Delightful
beverages will be available to everyone that attends. They do request that
attendees bring some semblance of potluck (defined, this means whatever food
is on hand without special buying) food.  Everything else will be already
there-won’t have to eat with fingers.   Everyone reading this little invite
is invited, even RATS. Come one, come all. Don’t be shy, even if one does
not know anyone, they certainly will on 10/27 in short order.  Details?
esandt@... & I’ll get you to the right place/I’ll have my people
talk to your people/blahblahblahblahblah. Oh yeah, please RSVP (what’s this
stand for?-see above.

SEND BUZZARDS PACKING – What hundred to do.   Some recent ballot box
stuffing has led to Superior taking the lead
4 Lake Superior (MN)
3 Cascade Crest (WA)
1 Leadville (CO)
2 Angeles Crest (CA)
1 Wasatch (UT)
1 Badwater (CA)
1 The Plain (WA)

******************

Races

October 27, 2001 (Saturday)
	 Seaside Run 10 mile\ 5k \ biathlon Ocean City, MD
	 Saint Mary Magdalen School 5k Wilmington,
DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 4th Mt. Hope Distance Classic 7 miles Cornwall,
PA trailbuzzard@... 717-653-2015
	 Smith-McMillian Run 5k Wilmington,DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 Back to School 5k Oaklyn, NJ oaklynrun@... 856-858-0335
	 David J. Good Memorial 5k Lionville, PA  610-363-9450
	 8th Annual Great Pumpkin Chase

	 5k Harrisburg, Pa  The Cathedral Church of St. Stephens  Kathy Jones,
717-761-2575 (h) or the church office 717-236-4059
October 28, 2001 (Sunday)
	 Commadore   Barry Bridge Run postponed till Spring due to
construction Commadore Barry Bridge, NJ info@... 302-654-6400
	 Radnor Run 5 miles Radnor, PA  610-941-9595
	 NE Road Runners 25k Phila, PA  215-289-6285
	 Lupus Loop Run 5 miles Phila., PA  215-877-9061
	 Evansburg Challenge 10 mile trail run Collegeville,
PA rhornpcs@... 610-631-1009
	 DuPont Hospital 5k* 5k Wilmington,DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 Red Ribbon Kids Against Drugs  5k Wilmington,
DE kriccio@... 302-658-7617
	 Race for the Cure 5k Princeton, NJ  609-497-2126
	 Katz JCC 5k Cherry Hill, NJ  856-424-4444x140
	 Fallbehind X-Country 5k Washington Twp., NJ nickp@... 856-582-8811
	 DCCC Challenge 5k Media, PA  610-359-5354
	 Seawitch Fall Classic 5k Rehoboth Bch,
DE tbamforth@... 302-947-1772







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******************

TIME CHANGE FOR TUES (TODAY) FUN RUN: 6:00 PM TIME CHANGE – Sorry 4 late
notice..... to get the most light for time, 6:00 PM makes the most sense,
though leaving at 6:15 won’t be the end of the world.


Cross Berks County - run
Baltimore - added rumbling/rambling

******************


MON 10/22
TUE  10/23 Landis Valley 6:00 PM Landis Valley/Covered Bridges
WED 10/24
THU 10/25
FRI 10/26
SAT 10/27 MT HOPE 10:00 AM Mt. Hope Estate & Winery see below
SAT 10/27  HALLOWEEN  6:30 PM   Elm St Lancaster USA
SUN 10/28 County Park 7:30 AM Lancaster County Park

DETAIL/DESCRIP/OP ED/ADD’L ‘FO BELOW


******************
TUESDAY 10/23 LANDIS VALLEY/COVERED BRIDGES RUN
From Lancaster, take Rt. 272 north to Landis Valley Rd, make left at light,
turn right at Farm Museum, look for runners in very large parking lot.
Run the course that everyone runs.  This is one of the most well known
courses in the Lancaster running community.  The course runs through the old
and new of Lancaster county – from the high rent Hunsicker/Butter road
compounds, and on to Amish farmland.  This is the run that bookends the
‘away from Long’s park’ fun run season.  Come out and enjoy. Check out the
website’s rave run too-http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/Snakehill.html BTW:
the course has many names including Snake Hill, Covered Bridges, Twin
Bridges, The Northbrook Strider, homecourse, Landis Valley and probably a
few more.

EVERY SUNDAY 7:30 AM at the County Park, Lancaster.  Park in front of the
pool.  Run next to the pool, into woods, on to the rolling hillside next to
the conestoga creek, across the field of dreams, into mill creek’s 2 loop
kiwanas area, look for birds in creek, ascend to the eshelman park area near
the skate park, descend to creek level then immediately ascend up no hands
hill, pass 2 view vistas, head into the woods and over (back) to the field
of dreams, cross and head down to the conestoga creek, hit the last hill,
zip thru the garden of the five senses and have of cup of bill’s joe.

******************

BALTIMORE MARATHON
In case it becomes a bone of contention ‘round the campfire someday,
Baltimore’s marathon course does indeed have hills-at least for the first 17
miles. After that, its flat or downhill.  The race certainly hit on all
points that make a great time-great weather, great course, great fan
support, great aid stations, great things to do before and after the race as
well as a NEW concept-a Saturday marathon.  Now people can actually relax
and pursue fun after the race instead of scurrying to get back home/work or
burning a vacation day.....  The race had approx 5200 finishers this year,
am sure this number doubles or triples when the good word (which travels
fast!) gets out.  Those that did: Larry Burkett, Cyndi Dolgas, Eric Hoerner,
Steve Farrah, Jeff Bradley, Karen Shiley, Bob Long, Joe Lee, Jody Brown,  &
me-Evan.  , Any more? lemme know.  (Lancaster runner) Connie Buckwalter was
the third overall female at 2:56ish. The site.......
www.thebaltimoremarathon.com  results can be found at
http://www.thebaltimoremarathon.com/Results.xls - you’ll probably need MS
excel to view.  The only odd thing about this thing was a new aid station
ritual-on 3 separate occasions, I’d put out my hand to grab a cup of water
only to have the cup drawn away from my hand.   Admittedly, the last road
marathon I ran was 14 months ago, so I guess I’m not up on current marathon
etiquette-something in my body language that tells cup person to retract
water cup when 1 wants water cup?   Fortunately this ritual did not repeat
itself tavern in the community following the race.

RUN ACROSS BERKS COUNTY..........
Was held on Sun 10/21.  Harry Smith and some RATS (Reading Area Trail Slogs/
runners) ran 50ish miles across the 4 letter pluralized county to our north.
   Uncertain if this is the first such crossing, but probably is, Harry can
add this to his 89 page running resume.  Doing the Continental Divide Trail
soon?

EMAIL LIST
The LRRC is now on Yahoo’s Groups email list.  What is it?  Its a formation
of an e-mail discussion group about the LRRC in which anyone can talk about
runn-ing, funn-ing as well as anything that may come up in casual or
non-casual conversation.   This is a great way to tell people what’s going
on, it can act as a central repository for email discussion, debate and
alert. The email alerts (such as the one you are reading right now) will be
sent there as well, so if anyone misses/deletes/wishes to read previous
alerts, they can find them there.  We’re also starting to get some pictures
in too-if you’ve got some you’d like  to see, send them to me.  A few
choices present themselves for those wishing to read emails that are posted
- daily emails sent to your email address, a condensed digest sent to your
email address or actually going to the site to read the email postings.  To
get in, you’ll need to get a yahoo id, then “subscribe” which just means
you’ll fill out some online form like things. I’m kinda new to the whole
thing, but if interested but confused, I’ll try to help you through.  First
go to the web address listed below, then follow the steps.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRClub - website address/destination

******************
RACES CLOSE BY

MT HOPE DISTANCE CLASSIC 10/27
DISTANCE 7 Mile Road Race
WHEN October 27, 2001  10:00 AM
WHERE Mount Hope Estate & Winery  Route 72 Close to Turnpike Exit 20 (you
can see from turnpike)
DIRECTIONS Take Route 72 head ¼ mile south of PA Turnpike Exit 20
APPLICATION: LRRC website: http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/MtHope.html

EVANSBURG 10/28
Note from our roving Berks county rover, Ron Horn on the Evansburg 10 mile
Trail Run in Collegeville, PA on Oct 28th.  “ “It's a nice entry level 10
mile trail run with two wide but shallow creek crossings and loads of
sinkholes filled with pony poo. Interested folks can contact [Ron Horn] at
610-779-2668 nights and weekends.” “

RACES NOT AS CLOSE BY

MARINE CORPS MARATHON
Anyone doing?  The original “people’s marathon”.  Forget the buses, walking
tours, and other tourist stuff, this is the race that gives the best tour of
DC and provides the best crowd view (view runners from multiple locations
without car hassle) of any marathon out there. As of Tues, 10/23, the race
is still on.  Visit the site for more info -  http://www.marinemarathon.com/

******************

RANDOM mull over stuff
Received a $50 tuition voucher from/to my alma mater-Rochester Institute of
Technology (not RPI, not RTI, or the U or R;..........RIT).  Technically,
this means the $50 application fee is waived to the applicant.  Normally I
throw this type of thing out with all the other “You’ve given us 4-5 years
of tuition dollars, why not contribute to our trillion dollar endowment” but
this is actually something that saves the 50 bucks that’s required from
interested applicants.  So, if you’ve got a child, or if you are a child
that’s thinking about heading to RIT for the next 4-5 years, I’ll be happy
to throw this thing in the mail to the first person that shouts. Lemme know
- esandt@... - I still have this thing!

******************

HALLOWEEN HITS ELM ST
Does this have to do with running? Sure, we’ll be talking all about running
while drinking at 243 Elm Street, Lancaster PA, USA.  Don your cap, gown or
any particular costume you care to don and ham it up on Elm St October 27,
6:30 pm.  LRRC resident females, Karen Shiley (little, not big, Karen) and
Cyndi (don’t forget the i and the y) Dolgas will be putting on this little
party to celebrate the best holiday of the year, Halloween. Delightful
beverages will be available to everyone that attends. They do request that
attendees bring some semblance of potluck (defined, this means whatever food
is on hand without special buying) food.  Everything else will be already
there-won’t have to eat with fingers.   Everyone reading this little invite
is invited, even RATS. Come one, come all. Don’t be shy, even if one does
not know anyone, they certainly will on 10/27 in short order.  Details?
esandt@... & I’ll get you to the right place/I’ll have my people
talk to your people/blahblahblahblahblah. Oh yeah, please RSVP (what’s this
stand for?-see above.

SEND BUZZARDS PACKING
Cascade can be spelled solely with the left hand on a keyboard.      So far,
Cascade (Washington) is in the lead with 3 votes, Leadville (Colorado) 1,
(Minnesota not MI-thanks Marcia) 2, Angeles Crest (Calif) 2, Wasatch (Utah)
1, Badwater (Cally) 1, The Plain (WA)     Hey RATS: how about a vote?

******************

Races

October 27, 2001 (Saturday)
	 Seaside Run 10 mile\ 5k \ biathlon Ocean City, MD
	 Saint Mary Magdalen School 5k Wilmington,
DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 4th Mt. Hope Distance Classic 7 miles Cornwall,
PA trailbuzzard@... 717-653-2015
	 Smith-McMillian Run 5k Wilmington,DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 Back to School 5k Oaklyn, NJ oaklynrun@... 856-858-0335
	 David J. Good Memorial 5k Lionville, PA  610-363-9450
	 8th Annual Great Pumpkin Chase

	 5k Harrisburg, Pa  The Cathedral Church of St. Stephens  Kathy Jones,
717-761-2575 (h) or the church office 717-236-4059
October 28, 2001 (Sunday)
	 Commadore   Barry Bridge Run postponed till Spring due to
construction Commadore Barry Bridge, NJ info@... 302-654-6400
	 Radnor Run 5 miles Radnor, PA  610-941-9595
	 NE Road Runners 25k Phila, PA  215-289-6285
	 Lupus Loop Run 5 miles Phila., PA  215-877-9061
	 Evansburg Challenge 10 mile trail run Collegeville,
PA rhornpcs@... 610-631-1009
	 DuPont Hospital 5k* 5k Wilmington,DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 Red Ribbon Kids Against Drugs  5k Wilmington,
DE kriccio@... 302-658-7617
	 Race for the Cure 5k Princeton, NJ  609-497-2126
	 Katz JCC 5k Cherry Hill, NJ  856-424-4444x140
	 Fallbehind X-Country 5k Washington Twp., NJ nickp@... 856-582-8811
	 DCCC Challenge 5k Media, PA  610-359-5354
	 Seawitch Fall Classic 5k Rehoboth Bch,
DE tbamforth@... 302-947-1772







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--- In LRRClub@y..., Trailbuzzard@c... wrote:
> We need a mebership drive for this list, its gonna get real boring
> with only 7 of us. Especialy since two of us are the same person.
>
> El Buzz

Well, at least two of us can have an intelligent conversation. But
you are correct, we do need a few more members.
Perhaps someone could print out instructions on how to log on, or
sign up, or whatever, and pass the forms around at fun runs and
races. No, you DIDN'T hear me volunteer.

Trail Harrier

We need a mebership drive for this list, its gonna get real boring
with only 7 of us. Especialy since two of us are the same person.

El Buzz

Lancaster Road Runners Club LRRC
Things to do, see, and contemplate
Places to scamper, educate, and congregate

******************

Tweaked format again-put calendar descrip below...calendar.
Baltimore & Covered Bridges bits

******************


MON 10/22
TUE  10/23 Landis Valley 6:15 PM Landis Valley/Covered Bridges
WED 10/24
THU 10/25
FRI 10/26
SAT 10/27 MT HOPE 10:00 AM Mt. Hope Estate & Winery see below
SUN 10/28 County Park 7:30 AM Lancaster County Park

DETAIL/DESCRIP/OP ED/ADD’L ‘FO BELOW


******************

TUESDAY 10/23 LANDIS VALLEY/COVERED BRIDGES RUN
From Lancaster, take Rt. 272 north to Landis Valley Rd, make left at light,
turn right at Farm Museum, look for runners in very large parking lot.
Run the course that everyone runs.  This is one of the most well known
courses in the Lancaster running community.  The course runs through the old
and new of Lancaster county – from the high rent Hunsicker/Butter road
compounds, and on to Amish farmland.  This is the run that bookends the
‘away from Long’s park’ fun run season.  Come out and enjoy. Check out the
website’s rave run too-http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/Snakehill.html BTW:
the course has many names including Snake Hill, Covered Bridges, Twin
Bridges, The Northbrook Strider, homecourse, Landis Valley and probably a
few more.

THURSDAY 10/18 MT GRETNA Meet at Game Lands Parking Lot on Pinch Road.
Though Mt. Gretna is known for its trails, lots of nice roads are available
to run.  Mt. Hope is very close, one could incorporate some of the October
27th 2001 (Mark Your Calendars Now!) Distance Classic Course into a nice
run, or make up a course from the parking lot (Cider Press Road for
starters).  Or run the trails.  Those apprehensive to trail running will
find Gretna to be a decent introduction-nothing too technical or vertical.
Just watch out for the dog walkers.

EVERY SUNDAY 7:30 AM at the County Park, Lancaster.  Park in front of the
pool.  Run the course that made Bill Smith infamous.  Run with or without
water crossings as fast or as slow as desired.  Reset Bob Bergman’s 6 (or
was it 7?) loop record by running 9 loops.  Spend the rest of the day
enjoying whatever you like.

******************
ATGLEN?
Know Dennis Pfautz, Frank McCardell and Greg Kerek ran this fall classic and
am sure hordes of others did as well.  If you know, lemme know.

BALTIMORE MARATHON
In case it becomes a bone of contention ‘round the campfire someday,
Baltimore’s marathon course does indeed have hills-at least for the first 17
miles. After that, its flat or downhill.  The race certainly hit on all
points that make a great time-great weather, great course, great fan
support, great aid stations, great things to do before and after the race as
well as a NEW concept-a Saturday marathon.  Now people can actually relax
and pursue fun after the race instead of scurrying to get back home/work or
burning a vacation day.....  The race had approx 5200 finishers this year,
am sure this number doubles or triples when the good word (which travels
fast!) gets out.  Those that did: Larry Burkett, Cyndi Dolgas, Eric Hoerner,
Steve Farrah, Jeff Bradley, Karen Shiley, Bob Long, Joe Lee, Jody Brown,  &
me-Evan.  , lemme know.  (Lancaster runner) Connie Buckwalter was the third
overall female at 2:56ish. The site....... www.thebaltimoremarathon.com
results can be found at http://www.thebaltimoremarathon.com/Results.xls -
you’ll probably need MS excel to view.

The LRRC is now on Yahoo’s Groups email list.  What is it?  Its a formation
of an e-mail discussion group about the LRRC in which anyone can talk about
runn-ing, funn-ing as well as anything that may come up in casual or
non-casual conversation.   This is a great way to tell people what’s going
on, it can act as a central repository for email discussion, debate and
alert. The email alerts (such as the one you are reading right now) will be
sent there as well, so if anyone misses/deletes/wishes to read previous
alerts, they can find them there.  We’re also starting to get some pictures
in too-if you’ve got some you’d like  to see, send them to me.  A few
choices present themselves for those wishing to read emails that are posted
- daily emails sent to your email address, a condensed digest sent to your
email address or actually going to the site to read the email postings.  To
get in, you’ll need to get a yahoo id, then “subscribe” which just means
you’ll fill out some online form like things. I’m kinda new to the whole
thing, but if interested but confused, I’ll try to help you through.  First
go to the web address listed below, then follow the steps.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRClub - website address/destination

******************
RACES CLOSE BY


MT HOPE DISTANCE CLASSIC 10/27
DISTANCE 7 Mile Road Race
WHEN October 27, 2001  10:00 AM
WHERE Mount Hope Estate & Winery  Route 72 Close to Turnpike Exit 20 (you
can see from turnpike)
DIRECTIONS Take Route 72 head ¼ mile south of PA Turnpike Exit 20
APPLICATION: LRRC website: http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/MtHope.html

EVANSBURG 10/28
Note from our roving Berks county rover, Ron Horn on the Evansburg 10 mile
Trail Run in Collegeville, PA on Oct 28th.  “ “It's a nice entry level 10
mile trail run with two wide but shallow creek crossings and loads of
sinkholes filled with pony poo. Interested folks can contact [Ron Horn] at
610-779-2668 nights and weekends.” “


******************

RANDOM mull over stuff
Received a $50 tuition voucher from/to my alma mater-Rochester Institute of
Technology (not RPI, not RTI, or the U or R;..........RIT).  Technically,
this means the $50 application fee is waived to the applicant.  Normally I
throw this type of thing out with all the other “You’ve given us 4-5 years
of tuition dollars, why not contribute to our trillion dollar endowment” but
this is actually something that saves the 50 bucks that’s required from
interested applicants.  So, if you’ve got a child, or if you are a child
that’s thinking about heading to RIT for the next 4-5 years, I’ll be happy
to throw this thing in the mail to the first person that shouts. Lemme know
- esandt@...

******************

HALLOWEEN HITS ELM ST
Does this have to do with running? Sure, we’ll be talking all about running
while drinking at 243 Elm Street, Lancaster PA, USA.  Don your cap, gown or
any particular costume you care to don and ham it up on Elm St October 27,
6:30 pm.  LRRC resident females, Karen Shiley (little, not big, Karen) and
Cyndi (don’t forget the i and the y) Dolgas will be putting on this little
party to celebrate the best holiday of the year, Halloween. Delightful
beverages will be available to everyone that attends. They do request that
attendees bring some semblance of potluck (defined, this means whatever food
is on hand without special buying) food.  Everything else will be already
there-won’t have to eat with fingers.   Everyone reading this little invite
is invited, even RATS. Come one, come all. Don’t be shy, even if one does
not know anyone, they certainly will on 10/27 in short order.  Details?
esandt@... & I’ll get you to the right place/I’ll have my people
talk to your people/blahblahblahblahblah. Oh yeah, please RSVP (what’s this
stand for?-see above.

SEND BUZZARDS PACKING
Cascade can be spelled solely with the left hand on a keyboard.      So far,
Cascade (Washington) is in the lead with 3 votes, Leadville (Colorado) 1,
(Minnesota not MI-thanks Marcia) 2, Angeles Crest (Calif) 2, Wasatch (Utah)
1, Badwater (Cally) 1, The Plain (WA)     Hey RATS: your votes count as ½ a
normal vote so send lots.

******************

Races

October 27, 2001 (Saturday)
	 Seaside Run 10 mile\ 5k \ biathlon Ocean City, MD
	 Saint Mary Magdalen School 5k Wilmington,
DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 4th Mt. Hope Distance Classic 7 miles Cornwall,
PA trailbuzzard@... 717-653-2015
	 Smith-McMillian Run 5k Wilmington,DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 Back to School 5k Oaklyn, NJ oaklynrun@... 856-858-0335
	 David J. Good Memorial 5k Lionville, PA  610-363-9450
	 8th Annual Great Pumpkin Chase

	 5k Harrisburg, Pa  The Cathedral Church of St. Stephens  Kathy Jones,
717-761-2575 (h) or the church office 717-236-4059
October 28, 2001 (Sunday)
	 Commadore   Barry Bridge Run postponed till Spring due to
construction Commadore Barry Bridge, NJ info@... 302-654-6400
	 Radnor Run 5 miles Radnor, PA  610-941-9595
	 NE Road Runners 25k Phila, PA  215-289-6285
	 Lupus Loop Run 5 miles Phila., PA  215-877-9061
	 Evansburg Challenge 10 mile trail run Collegeville,
PA rhornpcs@... 610-631-1009
	 DuPont Hospital 5k* 5k Wilmington,DE info@... 302-654-6400
	 Red Ribbon Kids Against Drugs  5k Wilmington,
DE kriccio@... 302-658-7617
	 Race for the Cure 5k Princeton, NJ  609-497-2126
	 Katz JCC 5k Cherry Hill, NJ  856-424-4444x140
	 Fallbehind X-Country 5k Washington Twp., NJ nickp@... 856-582-8811
	 DCCC Challenge 5k Media, PA  610-359-5354
	 Seawitch Fall Classic 5k Rehoboth Bch,
DE tbamforth@... 302-947-1772







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credit though.

--- In LRRClub@y..., trailguru@h... wrote:
> What the hell is that? And who went to Baltimore? And how DID they
do?
> Inquiring minds want to know!

Results sent to me by Steve Farah.  No clue on the gicklipper,
probably an old wives tale...

Name               Time        Place /5218       Place/Age
Evan Sandt          2:52:07        32                10/578
Steve Farrah        3:29:27        365                5/153
Karen Shiley        3:33:13        459                11/381
Larry Burkett        3:49:00        960               150/578
Joe Lee                3:44:14        795                100/525
Cindi Dolgas        3:55:05        1229              40/330

What the hell is that? And who went to Baltimore? And how DID they do?
Inquiring minds want to know!

How did everybody do at Baltimore?

Also, has Gicklipper joined the group yet?

El Buzz

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
LRRClub group:

Vote for...Greatest Quotes from the non
running, and very intelligent, masses.

   o Now why would you want to do a thing like that?
   o 50 miles? I don’t even drive my car 50 miles to take my kids to soccer.
   o Do you sleep during these..........................races?
   o Gee what do you think about?


To vote, please visit the following web page:

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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
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Thanks!

Lancaster Road Runners Club LRRC
Things to do, see, and contemplate
Places to scamper, educate, and congregate

******************

This space for rent

******************
WED 10/17
THU 10/18 Mt. Gretna 6:00 PM Pinch Rd parking lot (limited light)
FRI 10/19
SAT 10/20
SUN 10/21 County Park 7:30 AM Lancaster County Park
MON 10/22
TUE  10/23 Landis Valley 6:15 PM Landis Valley/Covered Bridges

DETAIL/DESCRIP/OP ED/ADD’L ‘FO BELOW

******************

Email list
The LRRC is now on Yahoo’s Groups email list.  What is it?  Its a formation
of an e-mail discussion group about the LRRC in which anyone can talk about
runn-ing, funn-ing as well as anything that may come up in casual or
non-casual conversation.   This is a great way to tell people what’s going
on, it can act as a central repository for email discussion, debate and
alert. The email alerts (such as the one you are reading right now) will be
sent there as well, so if anyone misses/deletes/wishes to read previous
alerts, they can find them there.  We’re also starting to get some pictures
in too-if you’ve got some you’d like  to see, send them to me.  A few
choices present themselves for those wishing to read emails that are posted
- daily emails sent to your email address, a condensed digest sent to your
email address or actually going to the site to read the email postings.  To
get in, you’ll need to get a yahoo id, then “subscribe” which just means
you’ll fill out some online form like things. I’m kinda new to the whole
thing, but if interested but confused, I’ll try to help you through.  First
go to the web address listed below, then follow the steps.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRClub - website address/destination

******************
RACES CLOSE BY

WHY GO TO ATGLEN? 10/20
Run the Covered Bridges 10 Mile Race on Saturday 10/20.  Another 10
mile-rrrr.  Maybe the format is not dead.  Though I have not run the race,
I’ve run some of the course and thought it more than better than okay.
Check out this fall classic.

MT HOPE DISTANCE CLASSIC 10/27
DISTANCE 7 Mile Road Race
WHEN October 27, 2001  10:00 AM
WHERE Mount Hope Estate & Winery  Route 72 Close to Turnpike Exit 20 (you
can see from turnpike)
DIRECTIONS Take Route 72 head ¼ mile south of PA Turnpike Exit 20
APPLICATION: LRRC website: http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/MtHope.html

EVANSBURG 10/28
Note from our roving Berks county rover, Ron Horn on the Evansburg 10 mile
Trail Run in Collegeville, PA on Oct 28th.  “ “It's a nice entry level 10
mile trail run with two wide but shallow creek crossings and loads of
sinkholes filled with pony poo. Interested folks can contact [Ron Horn] at
610-779-2668 nights and weekends.” “

FURTHER AWAY....
Baltimore’s marathon is tomorrow 10/20, 8:30 AM.  Starts at the football
stadium, ends at the football stadium, after taking a scenic
counterclockwise loop around Bawlmore.  Those doing: Larry Burkett, Cyndi
Dolgas, Eric Hoerner, Steve Farrah, Jeff Bradley, Karen Shiley, & me Evan.
As sure there are others, lemme know. The site.......
www.thebaltimoremarathon.com

******************

RANDOM mull over stuff
Received a $50 tuition voucher from/to my alma mater-Rochester Institute of
Technology (not RPI, not RTI, or the U or R;..........RIT).  Technically,
this means the $50 application fee is waived to the applicant.  Normally I
throw this type of thing out with all the other “You’ve given us 4-5 years
of tuition dollars, why not contribute to our trillion dollar endowment” but
this is actually something that saves the 50 bucks that’s required from
interested applicants.  So, if you’ve got a child, or if you are a child
that’s thinking about heading to RIT for the next 4-5 years, I’ll be happy
to throw this thing in the mail to the first person that shouts. Lemme know
- esandt@...

******************

HALLOWEEN HITS ELM ST
Does this have to do with running? Sure, we’ll be talking all about running
while drinking at 243 Elm Street, Lancaster PA, USA.  Don your cap, gown or
any particular costume you care to don and ham it up on Elm St October 27,
6:30 pm.  LRRC resident females, Karen Shiley (little, not big, Karen) and
Cyndi (don’t forget the i and the y) Dolgas will be putting on this little
party to celebrate the best holiday of the year, Halloween. Delightful
beverages will be available to everyone that attends. They do request that
attendees bring some semblance of potluck (defined, this means whatever food
is on hand without special buying) food.  Everything else will be already
there-won’t have to eat with fingers.   Everyone reading this little invite
is invited, even RATS. Come one, come all. Don’t be shy, even if one does
not know anyone, they certainly will on 10/27 in short order.  Details?
esandt@... & I’ll get you to the right place/I’ll have my people
talk to your people/blahblahblahblahblah. Oh yeah, please RSVP (what’s this
stand for?-see above.

SEND BUZZARDS PACKING
Cascade can be spelled solely with the left hand on a keyboard.      So far,
Cascade (Washington) is in the lead with 3 votes, Leadville (Colorado) 1,
(Minnesota not MI-thanks Marcia) 2, Angeles Crest (Calif) 2, Wasatch (Utah)
1, Badwater (Cally) 1, The Plain (WA)     Hey RATS: your votes count as ½ a
normal vote so send lots.

******************

TUESDAY 10/23 LANDIS VALLEY/COVERED BRIDGES RUN
From Lancaster, take Rt. 272 north to Landis Valley Rd, make left at light,
turn right at Farm Museum, look for runners in very large parking lot.
Run the course that everyone runs.  This is one of the most well known
courses in the Lancaster running community.  The course runs through the old
and new of Lancaster county – from the high rent Hunsicker/Butter road
compounds, and on to Amish farmland.  This is the run that bookends the
‘away from Long’s park’ fun run season.  Come out and enjoy. Check out the
website’s rave run too-http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/Snakehill.html BTW:
the course has many names including Snake Hill, Covered Bridges, Twin
Bridges, The Northbrook Strider, homecourse, Landis Valley and probably a
few more.

THURSDAY 10/18 MT GRETNA Meet at Game Lands Parking Lot on Pinch Road.
Though Mt. Gretna is known for its trails, lots of nice roads are available
to run.  Mt. Hope is very close, one could incorporate some of the October
27th 2001 (Mark Your Calendars Now!) Distance Classic Course into a nice
run, or make up a course from the parking lot (Cider Press Road for
starters).  Or run the trails.  Those apprehensive to trail running will
find Gretna to be a decent introduction-nothing too technical or vertical.
Just watch out for the dog walkers.

EVERY SUNDAY 7:30 AM at the County Park, Lancaster.  Park in front of the
pool.  Run the course that made Bill Smith even more famous.  Run with or
without water crossings as fast or as slow as desired.  Reset Bob Bergman’s
6 (or was it 7?) loop record by running 9 loops.  Spend the rest of the day
enjoying whatever you like.

******************

Races

October 20, 2001 (Saturday)
Covered Bridge Classic 10 mile & 5K Atglen, PA  610-593-6538
3rd Annual Killens Pond  5k Felton, DE  302-284-8994
ALA Vertical Challenge* date change to 11-18-01 Wilmington, DE  302-655-7258
   x 22
Baltimore Marathon 26.2 miles Baltimore, MD  410-377-8006
Back Stage Cafe 5k Wilmington,DE info@... 302-654-6400
Rye Township 4th Annual 5 km Race 	 Rye Township, Marysville,
Pa.  717-730-2747 (w), 717-957-4740 (h).

October 21, 2001 (Sunday)
12th Women's Race Against Breast Cancer 5k Wilmington,
DE info@... 302-654-6400
Pumpkin Patch Run 5k Dover, DE dsijan@... 302-744-7013
Philly Boxers Run 5k & 10k Phila., PA RonAurit@... 215-722-6558
William G. Rohrer Center for Health Fitness 5k Voorhees,
NJ bdifilippo@... 856-325-5353
Bowtree Run 5k West Chester, PA  610-696-1739
Big Brothers \ Big Sisters  5k xc Bridgeton, NJ  856-825-6727
Stratton-Peverley Run 5k Rockville, MD  410-836-1040
Partner's in the Park 5k York, PA  717-840-7440
Subaru Cross-Country 5k Wilmington, DE monkeyhillcs@... 267-625-3903
31st  Switch-Back Scamper 10k Jim Thorpe, PA  570-325-4293
Olympiad Run 5k West Chester, PA  610-836-5990



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>From: karenshiley@...
>Reply-To: LRRClub@yahoogroups.com
>To: LRRClub@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [LRRClub] Re: hello, welcome
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:37:20 -0000
>
>--- In LRRClub@y..., cigarindian@y... wrote:
> > hello runners. this is post number 1-the intro/get to know/mingle
> > thing.  the forum's for anything running related or general fun
> > outdoors too.
>
>hello cigarindian - i would like to get to know and mingle with you
>(-:  -   babybuzzus
>


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Lancaster Road Runners Club LRRC
Things to do, see, contemplate, educate, inform,

******************

RSVP – I now know.
Atlantic City Marathon clarification

******************
WED 10/17
THU 10/18 Mt. Gretna 6:00 PM Pinch Rd parking lot (limited light)
FRI 10/19
SAT 10/20
SUN 10/21 County Park 7:30 AM Lancaster County Park
MON 10/22
TUE  10/23 Landis Valley 6:15 PM Landis Valley/Covered Bridges

DETAIL/DESCRIP/OP ED/ADD’L ‘FO BELOW

******************
Bob-thanks for the fitting tues finale fun run.  Good run/good time/good
talk/good chow/.  Guess if there’s ‘season’ for fun runs, the ‘at people’s
houses’ season is over.  Thanks to everyone that put one on-beginning in May
all the way to now.  Tuesdays are not dead though, next week’s Landis
Valley, followed by Long’s Park the Tuesday after that.

******************

Upcoming Race – enter today, enter your friends, enter your neighbors or
kids, give an early holiday present get ‘em entered and make someone smile

MT HOPE DISTANCE CLASSIC
DISTANCE 7 Mile Road Race
WHEN October 27, 2001  10:00 AM
WHERE Mount Hope Estate & Winery  Route 72 Close to Turnpike Exit 20 (you
can see from turnpike)
DIRECTIONS Take Route 72 head ¼ mile south of PA Turnpike Exit 20
APPLICATION: LRRC website: http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/MtHope.html
Need volunteers! Come support your local running community by working an aid
station, working the start/finish, handing out food, handing out water,
taking splits, placing cones, taking in the scenery, placing signs, driving
the pace car, working the start, working the finish chute, and yelling and
screaming like Wellesley Girls for your favorite runner.   And remember, it
IS cool to stick around for the entire race!  Going home early is very
loser-ly.   Contact esandt@... and I’ll get you in touch with the
right people.


******************

CONGRATS/clarification
Larry Gray ran the Atlantic City Marathon over the weekend.  Nice job Larry.
   See Donald Trump?  Actually Larry observed the marathon, and competed with
the table, sorry.  Know how to play baccarat?

WHY GO TO ATGLEN?
To run the Covered Bridges 10 Mile Race on saturday.  Another 10 mile-rrrr.
Maybe the format is not dead.  Though I have not run the race, I’ve run some
of the course and thought it more than better than okay.  Check out this
fall classic.

RANDOM mull over stuff
Received a $50 tuition voucher to my alma mater-Rochester Institute of
Technology (not RPI, not RTI, or the U or R;..........RIT).  Technically,
this means the $50 application fee is waived to the applicant.  Normally I
throw this type of thing out with all the other “You’ve given us 4-5 years
of tuition dollars, why not contribute to our trillion dollar endowment” but
this is actually something that saves the 50 bucks that’s required from
interested applicants.  So, if you’ve got a child even thinking about
heading to RIT for the next 4-5 years, I’ll be happy to throw this thing in
the mail to the first person that shouts. Lemme know - esandt@...

******************

I NOW KNOW SOMETHING I DID NOT KNOW
””RSVP = abbreviation for the french "respondez s'il vous plait" which
translated  literally means respond (or answer) if you please. I knew 3
years for French in college would be useful some time.””  Thank you Bob from
Lebanon.

HALLOWEEN HITS ELM ST
Does this have to do with running? Sure, we’ll be talking all about running
while drinking at 243 Elm Street, Lancaster PA, USA.  Don your cap, gown or
any particular costume you care to don and ham it up on Elm St October 27,
6:30 pm.  LRRC resident females, Karen Shiley (little, not big, Karen) and
Cyndi (don’t forget the i and the y) Dolgas will be putting on this little
party to celebrate the best holiday of the year, Halloween. Delightful
beverages will be available to everyone that attends. They do request that
attendees bring some semblance of potluck (defined, this means whatever food
is on hand without special buying) food.  Everything else will be already
there-won’t have to eat with fingers.   Everyone reading this little invite
is invited, even RATS. Come one, come all. Don’t be shy, even if one does
not know anyone, they certainly will on 10/27 in short order.  Details?
esandt@... & I’ll get you to the right place/I’ll have my people
talk to your people/blahblahblahblahblah. Oh yeah, please RSVP (what’s this
stand for?-see above.

SEND BUZZARDS PACKING
Cascade can be spelled solely with the left hand on a keyboard.      So far,
Cascade (Washington) is in the lead with 3 votes, Leadville (Colorado) 1,
Lake Superior (Michigan) 1, Angeles Crest (Calif) 2, Wasatch (Utah) 1,
Badwater (Cally) 1, The Plain (WA)

******************

TUESDAY 10/23 LANDIS VALLEY/COVERED BRIDGES RUN
From Lancaster, take Rt. 272 north to Landis Valley Rd, make left at light,
turn right at Farm Museum, look for runners in very large parking lot.
Run the course that everyone runs.  This is truly one of the most well known
courses in the running community.  The course truly runs through the old and
new of Lancaster county – from the high rent Hunsicker/Butter road
compounds, and on through the Amish farmland.  This is the run that bookends
the ‘away from Long’s park’ fun run season.  Come out and enjoy. Check out
the website’s rave run too-http://www.geocities.com/lrrclub/Snakehill.html
BTW: the course has many names including Snake Hill, Covered Bridges, Twin
Bridges, The Northbrook Strider homecourse and probably a fewmore.

THURSDAY 10/18 MT GRETNA Meet at Game Lands Parking Lot on Pinch Road.
Though Mt. Gretna is known for its trails, lots of nice roads are available
to run.  Mt. Hope is very close, one could incorporate some of the October
27th 2001 (Mark Your Calendars Now!) Distance Classic Course into a nice
run, or make up a course from the parking lot (Cider Press Road for
starters).  Or run the trails.  Those apprehensive to trail running will
find Gretna to be a decent introduction-nothing too technical or vertical.
Just watch out for the dog walkers.

EVERY SUNDAY 7:30 AM at the County Park, Lancaster.  Park in front of the
pool.  Run the course that made Bill Smith even more famous.  Run with or
without water crossings as fast or as slow as desired.  Reset Bob Bergman’s
6 (or was it 7?) loop record by running 9 loops.  Spend the rest of the day
enjoying whatever.

******************

Races

October 20, 2001 (Saturday)
Covered Bridge Classic 10 mile & 5K Atglen, PA  610-593-6538
3rd Annual Killens Pond  5k Felton, DE  302-284-8994
ALA Vertical Challenge* date change to 11-18-01 Wilmington, DE  302-655-7258
   x 22
Baltimore Marathon 26.2 miles Baltimore, MD  410-377-8006
Back Stage Cafe 5k Wilmington,DE info@... 302-654-6400
Rye Township 4th Annual 5 km Race 	 Rye Township, Marysville,
Pa.  717-730-2747 (w), 717-957-4740 (h).

October 21, 2001 (Sunday)
12th Women's Race Against Breast Cancer 5k Wilmington,
DE info@... 302-654-6400
Pumpkin Patch Run 5k Dover, DE dsijan@... 302-744-7013
Philly Boxers Run 5k & 10k Phila., PA RonAurit@... 215-722-6558
William G. Rohrer Center for Health Fitness 5k Voorhees,
NJ bdifilippo@... 856-325-5353
Bowtree Run 5k West Chester, PA  610-696-1739
Big Brothers \ Big Sisters  5k xc Bridgeton, NJ  856-825-6727
Stratton-Peverley Run 5k Rockville, MD  410-836-1040
Partner's in the Park 5k York, PA  717-840-7440
Subaru Cross-Country 5k Wilmington, DE monkeyhillcs@... 267-625-3903
31st  Switch-Back Scamper 10k Jim Thorpe, PA  570-325-4293
Olympiad Run 5k West Chester, PA  610-836-5990



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hello runners. this is post number 1-the intro/get to know/mingle
thing.  the forum's for anything running related or general fun
outdoors too.