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RE: [Kiwiwalkers] Walking Relays.

Hi Paul, I’m sorry that I missed seeing you on Saturday. I was obviously too stuffed after my effort of trying to catch up with our A team on the last lap.

 

I do not agree with you that teams should not put people on consecutive laps. Both our club and Taranaki did this as we were trying to get balanced teams to race against each other within the club.  Unfortunately this year our selection process was astray and we were 20 minutes apart.  In championship events (relays) the rules are specific and clearly support what you say about no consecutive laps, and I agree with that, but the Marton to Wanganui relay rules (at least on the entry form) are very few (minimal in fact) and do not cover this.   We have considered putting in our best team to try and give Manawatu and Taranaki a race as we did in 2004 and 2005, but as our numbers grow we have decided to give everyone a chance to be together, and as you say be part of the event rather than one team being hours behind.

 

A rule in the Marton to Wanganui relay entry form says that on the instruction of officials teams may be asked to start a lap before the previous lap has been competed. Times will be adjusted accordingly.

 

I have to ask where the officials to do that were. After the start we did not see another official until the finish. The time difference between the first and last team was almost three hours.  The last walking team finished about 4.45 pm when the prize giving was scheduled to start at 4.15 pm.  I wonder if it is not time for the faster walkers to be allowed to start at 8.00 am and avoid the long wait at the finish, if the Wanganui Harrier Club does not have the officials required to be out on the course to ask teams to start their next laps early to keep up with the rest of the field.

 

The Gun walkers from Manawatu stayed around for over three hours after finishing for the prize giving, so you could hardly say they do not want to support the slower walkers.  Sadly this year some of our group had appointments in Wellington in the evening so we had to leave at 4.30, when the start of the prize giving was still at least 20 minutes away.

 

We will be back next year, and we may put all of our good walkers in one team, but that is up to our group to consider.  Unless there is a specific rule from the organisers I can’t see why we will not continue to put walkers on consecutive laps if it helps us to balance our teams up. If we had a team as good as Manawatu we’d enter it, and race them, after all we would like to win!

 

Regards

 

David Lonsdale

Wellington Scottish

 


From: Kiwiwalkers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kiwiwalkers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shelley, Andrew
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Kiwiwalkers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Kiwiwalkers] Walking Relays.

 

I can't see that walking consecutive stages is necessarily a bad thing.  I know that my pace for 5k is faster than my pace for 10k, which is likewise faster than my pace for 16k or 21k.   If I was going to do (say) two 7k stages back-to-back, my time would definitely be slower than if I had had a chance to rest for an hour or two between the two stages. 

 

But, alas, I wasn't at the relay at all this year.  Normally I do all the stages consecutively, without a rest, and my pace for that is definitely slower than my 5k pace!  I hope everyone had an enjoyable time.

 

Andrew Shelley

 


From: Kiwiwalkers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kiwiwalkers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Godbaz
Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 10:51 a.m.
To: Kiwiwalkers
Subject: [Kiwiwalkers] Walking Relays.

This message is not aimed at any particular group and the contents can be freely debated on this group and among yourselves.

 

After last Saturday's Marton to Wanganui Relay, a top quality event conducted by the Wanganui Harrier Club, I have heard a few comments being made about both the good points and the not-so-good points of relays.

 

The good points include the undeniable benefits bought about by combining team/club members into a group to contest a fairly conducted event where they give their best, regardless of ability, to achieve a joint aim. Relays are a brilliant club-building experience.

 

The not-so-good points of relays are headed by groups regularly assembling a "gun" team out to win at any cost and having little regard for others of lesser ability. To truly enter into the friendly spirit of a relay teams achieve much more if the team includes some members of different ability. Otherwise the "gun" team will eventually destroy the event.

 

A relay is a team event in which a different member of the team takes over the task at the end of each stage (leg) of the event. This means that members of a team DO NOT walk consecutive stages. Some teams will say that they are put at a disadvantage if a member of their team has to complete a second later stage. What they are really saying is that they are gaining an advantage by having members of their team walking consecutive stages. This is a disadvantage and unfair to the other teams, without whom there will be no event.

 

If the event entry form says that a team member can walk one or two stages this means that they can only walk a maximum of two stages, unless of course there is a genuine reason for walking more. Experience has shown that the person/s selected to walk multiple stages are the "gun" walkers. Is this really fair to the other teams ?

 

Taranaki Racewalkers are to be congratulated on the way in which they spread their "gun" walkers among various team, giving every member of their club a chance of being in a winning team.

 

Let's all do the same in future and NO walking consecutive stages.         Paul.


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This message is not aimed at any particular group and the contents can be freely debated on this group and among yourselves. After last Saturday's Marton to...
Paul Godbaz
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Sep 9, 2007
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I can't see that walking consecutive stages is necessarily a bad thing. I know that my pace for 5k is faster than my pace for 10k, which is likewise faster...
Shelley, Andrew
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Sep 9, 2007
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Hi Paul, I’m sorry that I missed seeing you on Saturday. I was obviously too stuffed after my effort of trying to catch up with our A team on the last lap. I...
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Sep 10, 2007
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I guess it's prudent or (not prudent) to reply to this from the"gun" team. Not sure Paul if you are referring to Manawatu Magic. But as we have won it 3...
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Sep 10, 2007
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Good comments Andrus but I wonder if, indeed Paul¹s comments were directed only at the Manawatu Magic Team. I not see that Paul¹s comments are necessarily...
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Sep 10, 2007
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It has been great to see that the group all agree that Walking Relays are fun. That is what they are designed to be. I did not pick on any one team...
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