--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, "holdsworth72" <fyavorsky@...> wrote:
>
> Got it. Found the shims on eBay.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260506491930
>
> Anyone know what the trail is on this fork with the 1" steerer. I've
> learned that the P/R came with 3 different forks or that 3 different
> trail forks were available. I'm planning on building this bike with a
> front load rack.
>

The steerer may be stamped with the offset -- both 1" Kog forks I have say
"64mm".  Assuming a 650x38 tire and a 73-degree head angle, that gives about
35mm of trail.  You can figure out a more precise value here:
http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php

-Jim G

Hi. I'm building up a P/R for my wife for Christmas... and a Kogswell headbadge
would take the cake.  If anyone has an extra one lying around... let me know!

Oh, I got one of those:

	 http://www.flickr.com/photos/skazat/4006695542/sizes/o/

Works for touring, too,

	 http://www.flickr.com/photos/skazat/4035190043/

Not as perdy, but something like the other bike wouldn't last a New
York Minute in gay Paris,

Justin


On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Andrew Riblet wrote:

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fastboy/sets/72157622700828311/
>

Bike Swap Meet - Saturday Nov. 21st  -- in Dudley, Mass.
Doors open at 7:00 AM

See: http://oldroads.com/dudley
Link? <a href="http://oldroads.com/dudley">Bike Swap Meet</a>

About 17 miles south of Worcester,
a couple miles right off Exit 2 from Interstate 395.

Or ride down Rte. 12 from Worcester commuter rail.
Saturday outbound schedule: http://bit.ly/1lvi97


See you?

Fred,
I've got a Chris King devolution headset that's made for that exact
application.
Complete except for the crown race (about $10 from ck)
It's been installed and ridden briefly, but is as-new. It's either
black or dark grey. (I don't have it in front of me)
How about $60, shipped?

Ryan

Ps. Other option is getting adapters and using a 1" headset.



On Nov 16, 2009, at 15:27, holdsworth72 <fyavorsky@...> wrote:

> Hi KOG group. This is my first post. I bought a Kogswell PR frame
> and fork on eBay from Pauls Bike Shop. What headset works with this?
> The headtube is 1-1/8 and the fork steerer is 1 inch. Looking for
> recommendations.
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi, All -

I'm putting my size 59, G2 p/r up for sale.  $500 for
frame/fork/headset/bb/seatpost/fenders/Nitto M-12 rack/tektro "ribbit" brakes.

She's used (it was a real workhorse for me), but in good condition.

I have some other stuff (Nexus 8 redband wheel, Nitto Soba bars, sugino RD
crank, budget 650b wheelset, sugino alpina crank, silver shifters, etc.) I'd be
willing to let go of if anyone is interested in an almost complete build - we
could work out a price.

Get at me if interested - Cheers!

Patrick

--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, "holdsworth72" <fyavorsky@...> wrote:
>
> Hi KOG group. This is my first post. I bought a Kogswell PR frame and fork on
eBay from Pauls Bike Shop. What headset works with this? The headtube is 1-1/8
and the fork steerer is 1 inch. Looking for recommendations.
> Thanks,
> Fred
>

You need a set of 1-1/8" to 1" reducer shims; then you can use any 1" threadless
headset.  See http://www.bikeman.com/HD7200.html

If you ask nicely, Mr. Kogswell might have a set he can send to you.

Or you can spend boku $$$ and get a Chris King Devolution headset:
http://chrisking.com/headsets/hds_devo


You got the "special" frame/fork package because they ran out of 1-1/8" forks,
apparently.  But with either of the above fixes, you're good to go.

Welcome!
-Jim G

Hi KOG group. This is my first post. I bought a Kogswell PR frame and fork on
eBay from Pauls Bike Shop. What headset works with this? The headtube is 1-1/8
and the fork steerer is 1 inch. Looking for recommendations.
Thanks,
Fred

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, jim.gourgoutis <jimg@...> wrote:

> > Could that be because you haven't ridden
> > a proper 559 bike?

> Ooh.  Is this one?

> http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2009/11/cb-zip.html

> (note especially the parallel 73* angles)

Geometrically, yes.

The only problem with it is that Bridgestone
used a gauge more than necessary on its sets.
I reckon it was an attempt to keep riders off
the deck.  Not a bad goal.  But at this level the
frame and fork must not punish the rider.

M

--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, Kogswell Cycles <kogswellcycles@...> wrote:
>
>
> Could that be because you haven't ridden
> a proper 559 bike?
>


Ooh.  Is this one?

http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2009/11/cb-zip.html

(note especially the parallel 73* angles)

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:00, jim.gourgoutis <jimg@...> wrote:
> James B. (dual position king) has even stated that he doesn't move the wheel
around much on his cycle truck.

Heh - I'm the only one here lucky enough to have a bike available with
dual ends to experiment with.

It's true that I don't move the wheel around, because handling is fine
and not much different in the 25mm and 40mm trail positions. There
would probably be more benefit with a larger difference in trail, or
at least a different difference. When I rotated the fork 180 degrees
to give myself some 100-odd mm of trail, that had a very big effect on
handling!

But having bolt-on forkends seems like it defeats the main point of
dual positions, the ability to switch handling effortlessly, on the
fly, in seconds. If I have to go to so much trouble to change the
offset, including perhaps adjusting the brakes, why don't I just
change the whole fork? Then I don't have the disadvantage of the
bolt-on forkend, which would be less strong (or heavy) and less
attractive than a single-ended fork.

It might still be a good marketing device, though. And good marketing
devices are good things to have.

James Black

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 16:37 -0800, Kogswell Cycles wrote:

> Today I started to think about how differing dropouts
> could be used with straight forks to accomodate varying
> wheel sizes.  Can't wait to hear the comments about
> straight blade forks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_omJlqis-v8

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Alex Wetmore <alex@...> wrote:

> I heard Matthew say bolt-on, but I never heard him say sliding.
> I was imagining a setup where the dropout was a replacable
> unit (much like the derailleur hanger on most aluminum frames)
> and came in two different models.

Yep.

But I think that James may be right about sliders
on the rear.

> One would give say 10-15mm more rake than the other.
> When you bought the fork it would come with both styles.

Yep.  Or at the very least dropouts would be easy
to sell via e-commerce (as opposed to the sort of
consultation that's required of frame sales.)

So, yeah, bolt-on, single position front dropouts.

Today I started to think about how differing dropouts
could be used with straight forks to accomodate varying
wheel sizes.  Can't wait to hear the comments about
straight blade forks.

MG

--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, Alex Wetmore <alex@...> wrote:
>
> \From: jim.gourgoutis [jimg@...]
> > If it's more economical, production-wise, to
> > make a single batch of common forks with bolt-on
> > sliding dropouts, I'm all for it. Heck, put sliding dropouts
> > at both ends of the bike!
>
> I heard Matthew say bolt-on, but I never heard him say sliding.  I was
imagining a setup where the dropout was a replacable unit (much like the
derailleur hanger on most aluminum frames) and came in two different models. One
would give say 10-15mm more rake than the other.  When you bought the fork it
would come with both styles.
>

Good point.  MG didn't clarify (I asked)...

> Since dropout alignment is very important on forks I'm less excited about
horizontal dropouts on them.  I like multi-position dropouts for the fork that
have an integer number of positions rather than infinite positions.
>

Agreed.

-Jim G

\From: jim.gourgoutis [jimg@...]
> If it's more economical, production-wise, to
> make a single batch of common forks with bolt-on
> sliding dropouts, I'm all for it. Heck, put sliding dropouts
> at both ends of the bike!

I heard Matthew say bolt-on, but I never heard him say sliding.  I was imagining
a setup where the dropout was a replacable unit (much like the derailleur hanger
on most aluminum frames) and came in two different models. One would give say
10-15mm more rake than the other.  When you bought the fork it would come with
both styles.

Since dropout alignment is very important on forks I'm less excited about
horizontal dropouts on them.  I like multi-position dropouts for the fork that
have an integer number of positions rather than infinite positions.

alex

--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, Kogswell Cycles <kogswellcycles@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Steve Chan <sychan168@...> wrote:
>
> > Hah - why stop at just moving the wheel dropout forward and back?
>
> > Have the low trail dropout forward and _higher_ as well.
>
> > Maybe you could get an inch of axle to crown difference
> > and a few cm of rake as well...
>
> This is why I like bolt-ons.  They seem much more versatile.
>
> I wonder how bolt-ons would handle fender stays?
>

Matthew, I do like your idea of bolt-on front dropouts.  Once set up, they'd be
no-fuss (better for liability?).  The only practical downside I can see is
they'd prevent someone from easily/quickly altering the front wheel position,
which MIGHT be handy W.R.T. having a front load or not.  However, I think we can
mostly all agree that even the weight of a largish, empty rack is enough to
trigger the Low Trail Effect, so ad-hoc moving the wheel around may be unneeded.
James B. (dual position king) has even stated that he doesn't move the wheel
around much on his cycle truck.

If it's more economical, production-wise, to make a single batch of common forks
with bolt-on sliding dropouts, I'm all for it. Heck, put sliding dropouts at
both ends of the bike!

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Steve Chan <sychan168@...> wrote:

> Is it an expectation that people would swap back
> and forth between trail configs beyond the initial
> buildup and shakedown rides?

Some low-trail riders are looking for ways to adjust
the trail based on front load.  So for them it would
be nice to do so without having to adjust the brake
pad alignment.

MG

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:40 AM, james black <chocotaco@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 00:55, Steve Chan <sychan168@...> wrote:
>>
>>     Hah - why stop at just moving the wheel dropout forward and back? Have
the low trail dropout forward and _higher_ as well. Maybe you could get an inch
of axle to crown difference and a few cm of rake as well...
>
>
> One reason is so that you don't have to readjust the brake pads.
>

     Is it an expectation that people would swap back and forth between
trail configs beyond the initial buildup and shakedown rides?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Kogswell Cycles
<kogswellcycles@...> wrote:
>
> This is why I like bolt-ons. They seem much more versatile.
>
> I wonder how bolt-ons would handle fender stays?

     Do you have an drawings/sketches of the proposed design?

--
"Sow a thought, reap an action. Sow an action, reap a habit. Sow a
habit, reap a character. Sow a character, reap a destiny." - Samuel
Smiles

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Steve Chan <sychan168@...> wrote:

> Hah - why stop at just moving the wheel dropout forward and back?

> Have the low trail dropout forward and _higher_ as well.

> Maybe you could get an inch of axle to crown difference
> and a few cm of rake as well...

This is why I like bolt-ons.  They seem much more versatile.

I wonder how bolt-ons would handle fender stays?

MG

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:50 AM, jim.gourgoutis <jimg@...> wrote:

> You could do it this way for less than 15mm betwixt positions...

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/435490064/

Huh.

Thanks, JG.

MG

So neither of the two P/R framesets offered by Paul's Bike Shop on eBay gathered
even one bid (one at $450 and one at $500, which included a bunch of
components). Was it because they included 1" forks and no shim kit? Has the
market for the P/R dropped off? Bad time of year? I suppose I should hold on to
my G2 P/R for awhile.

Neal Lerner
Brookline, MA

--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, Ethan Labowitz <elabowitz@...> wrote:
>
> http://bit.ly/35s7rb
>
> Thoughts on these?  Is $425 + $80 shipping a good price?
>
> Thanks
>
> E
>
>
>
> Ethan Labowitz
> Graduate Assistant
> Department of Technology
> Appalachian State University
> Boone, NC
>

--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, Kogswell Cycles <kogswellcycles@...> wrote:
>
> But if memory serves me, there's at least a 15mm
> difference between the two slots.
>
> Which renders choices like 45/30 or 40/25.
>
> And I think 35 is the way to go.
>

You could do it this way for less than 15mm betwixt positions...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/435490064/

That made me laugh, James.  New shoes are sometimes cheaper than tires.

--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, james black <chocotaco@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 19:12, Kogswell Cycles <kogswellcycles@...> wrote:
> > But if memory serves me, there's at least a 15mm
> > difference between the two slots.
>
> Yes, 15mm is about the minimum with the kind of design I used.
>
> For reference, here is the latest version of the design that I drew
> for the dual fork-end, which I think is relatively nice looking in
> concept:
>
> http://james.architectureburger.com/cycle/cyclebin/cargo-41.gif
>
> And here is a photo (it looks different from the drawing, as David
> Wilson modified the design to accomodate a disc brake on the other
> side):
>
> http://james.architectureburger.com/cycle/cyclebin/cargo239.jpg
>
> On another note, crazy kids with these bar spins! Today I saw two kids
> on what looked like hipster fixies with short riser bars, but they
> surprised me by having freewheels and no brakes. They were slowing
> down by dragging their feet. I figured that this is like a combination
> of the fixie freestyle craze with the no-brakes freewheel BMX craze. I
> wasn't surprised when I passed them by, me on a real fixed gear,
> geared lower than theirs at 65". But a few blocks later, one of them
> seemed keen to catch up to me, and passed me at over 20 mph. After he
> caught me, he started dragging his feet as he approached the next
> intersection. Dang crazy kids.
>
> James Black
> Los Angeles, CA
>