Icouldn't play this off of the original site, your's worked fine.  How
do I download the file from your site to my hard drive so I don't have
to load it from your server every time I want to watch it?


On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:48:42 -0500, Kogswell Cycles
<kogswellcycles@...> wrote:
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
>
> bicycles, GNR and NYC - somebody finally did it right
>
> there's a move that starts at about 3:56 and ends at about 4:02 - I
> don't think I would have made that without dab'n
>
> I'm gonna host that file at:
>
>   http://kogswell.com/red-web.mpg
>
> until I run out of bandwidth
>
> I don't drink coffee, so for years playing 'Jungle really loud has
> been my way of coping with not enough sleep and a 7:00am start time -
> I'm gonna burn this onto a DVD for those mornings when I need an extra
> bit of inspiration
>
> thanks, Zev!
>
> and if anyone knows Lucas Brunelle, pls have him contact me
>
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
>
> Matthew
>
>
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

bicycles, GNR and NYC - somebody finally did it right

there's a move that starts at about 3:56 and ends at about 4:02 - I
don't think I would have made that without dab'n

I'm gonna host that file at:

   http://kogswell.com/red-web.mpg

until I run out of bandwidth

I don't drink coffee, so for years playing 'Jungle really loud has
been my way of coping with not enough sleep and a 7:00am start time -
I'm gonna burn this onto a DVD for those mornings when I need an extra
bit of inspiration

thanks, Zev!

and if anyone knows Lucas Brunelle, pls have him contact me

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

Matthew

http://www.digave.com/videos/red-web.mpg

It's a good idea to have some touch-up paint on hand. Especially when
you use your bike (as I do) in the real world of shopping, errands, and
commuting.

Does anyone know a color match for the green of the P series bikes?

Dan

--- Stephen Ruane <spruane@...> wrote:


---------------------------------

Americana Sand Sable acrylic by DecoArt is an exact
match to that Kustard color.

Catalog number DA04 http://www.decoart.com


--- Michael Wise <mishaweis@...> wrote:

> Do we have a touch-up color for Kustard yet? I'm
> hoping this doesn't
> make me seem like a brute, since my F54 has only
> been on the road a
> couple of months; it's more like I've been a very
> enthusiastic rider
> during that time, and she gets locked outside during
> the day because I
> can't bear for people not to walk by, do a
> double-take, then stand
> gawking for several minutes. She's easily the
> prettiest bike in Salt
> Lake. But there are a couple of little dings here
> and there, and I'm
> wondering what to cover them with.
>
> By the way, Matthew, I'm serious about wanting a
> model G, I'm just
> broke at the moment.
> --
> How often I have lain beneath rain on a strange
> roof, thinking of home.
>


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Well, I was just trying to get something going here. :-)

Personally, I think the conversion could make sense when it allows a
skinny tired/low clearance bike to relax a little, find a new life
if you will. Though I phrased the question as per a Model P, in
reality you've already designed the frame to accomodate healthy
tires and fenders. So in that case, I agree it makes no sense.

Now, I do ruminate about top tube length sometimes. Certainly you
can increase the stem, and/or try to move the seat back. A couple of
days ago I posted about my sluggish handling Atlantis over on the RB
list. Its got a 12cm stem, within normal ranges but longer than the
9 and 10s on my other bikes. The increase in the "arm" on the
steering tube slows things down a bit. Would I have more fun in an
Atlantis with a smidgin longer top tube?

Sometimes you just get on a new bike and everything clicks: I just
wonder what makes that happen. Maybe a cm here or there can make it
easier on your hands or your knees after a long ride, but can that
change a happy puppy into a pig?

Enough navel gazing.

Tom F.

> I don't know about the conversion, but you are right about this board
> needing some action, it is dead!  Matthew, how about some pics of a
> painted model G to stir things up a little?

Pics soon.

The G58 and M46 samples are being powdered today, I think.

Maybe this time next week.

--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, "fourwdvw" <fourwdvw@y...> wrote:
>
> Say a person tends to have shorter legs and a longer torso than
> normal. PBH and saddle height call for, say, a 56cm. On the other
> hand, the long torso likes top tubes a little longer, for instance
> the 57 tt on a 56cm Quickbeam.
>
> Could one take a P model a size bigger, use 650B the wheels to lower
> the top tube a bit and take advantage of the roomer top tube length.
> Would the bottom bracet be too low? Any other problems?
>
> Tom F.

So, you want a longer top tube and less standover, is that right?

Let's see: (622-584)/2 = 22+16/2 = 19mm lower BB

The BB is already pretty low on a Mod P (thanks, Grant).  But if you
have short legs, you would want to use 165mm cranks.

It would 'work'.

But why not use a 54cm frame and a longer stem and maybe a seat post
that gives some setback?

Then you'd be using 700c rims.

See, I have a problem with all rims under 700c; they're too small.

In fact, I want BIGGER RIMS.  I want some 680mm rims.  Or even better,
680mm AND 660mm.  Then I could use the top and bottom of the brake
slots on the Kogswell brakes.

This 700c/650B conversion thing is kinda krazy.  Back in the day we
used 27" rims in good weather and 700c in bad.  That's because there
was only about 5mm of difference, but that extra 5mm was all you
needed to fit fenders.

But 19mm is a lot.

So why not make frames for a 584/559 conversion?  That's a 12mm
difference and right inside the Kogswell caliper's slot range.

Grant is right.  We need a good caliper that's 47-64.  I'm trying to
get Tektro interested.  But they need a BIG commitment to 'open a new
mold'.

I may have to go to V-brakes and DiaCompe 287Vs for everything.  I
hate to do that.  I love sidepulls.  But braking is important and I'm
tired of fighting it.

Americana Sand Sable acrylic by DecoArt is an exact
match to that Kustard color.

Catalog number DA04 http://www.decoart.com


--- Michael Wise <mishaweis@...> wrote:

> Do we have a touch-up color for Kustard yet? I'm
> hoping this doesn't
> make me seem like a brute, since my F54 has only
> been on the road a
> couple of months; it's more like I've been a very
> enthusiastic rider
> during that time, and she gets locked outside during
> the day because I
> can't bear for people not to walk by, do a
> double-take, then stand
> gawking for several minutes. She's easily the
> prettiest bike in Salt
> Lake. But there are a couple of little dings here
> and there, and I'm
> wondering what to cover them with.
>
> By the way, Matthew, I'm serious about wanting a
> model G, I'm just
> broke at the moment.
> --
> How often I have lain beneath rain on a strange
> roof, thinking of home.
>

Do we have a touch-up color for Kustard yet? I'm hoping this doesn't
make me seem like a brute, since my F54 has only been on the road a
couple of months; it's more like I've been a very enthusiastic rider
during that time, and she gets locked outside during the day because I
can't bear for people not to walk by, do a double-take, then stand
gawking for several minutes. She's easily the prettiest bike in Salt
Lake. But there are a couple of little dings here and there, and I'm
wondering what to cover them with.

By the way, Matthew, I'm serious about wanting a model G, I'm just
broke at the moment.
--
How often I have lain beneath rain on a strange roof, thinking of home.

I don't know about the conversion, but you are right about this board
needing some action, it is dead!  Matthew, how about some pics of a
painted model G to stir things up a little?

Todd Guess
in Columbia, MO


On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:50:48 -0000, fourwdvw <fourwdvw@...> wrote:
>
>  Say a person tends to have shorter legs and a longer torso than
>  normal. PBH and saddle height call for, say, a 56cm. On the other
>  hand, the long torso likes top tubes a little longer, for instance
>  the 57 tt on a 56cm Quickbeam.
>
>  Could one take a P model a size bigger, use 650B the wheels to lower
>  the top tube a bit and take advantage of the roomer top tube length.
>  Would the bottom bracet be too low? Any other problems?
>
>  Tom F.

Say a person tends to have shorter legs and a longer torso than
normal. PBH and saddle height call for, say, a 56cm. On the other
hand, the long torso likes top tubes a little longer, for instance
the 57 tt on a 56cm Quickbeam.

Could one take a P model a size bigger, use 650B the wheels to lower
the top tube a bit and take advantage of the roomer top tube length.
Would the bottom bracet be too low? Any other problems?

Tom F.

Start to add links that you think would be helpful. I followed
Scott's lead and added some.

Zev

Well, I'm here lurking; had shoulder surgery last week so I'm not
allowed to ride :-(.

If you get the folks here, the Yahoo groups work pretty well. I'm
helping moderate three, one with over 1200 members. Its grown by 50%
over the last year.

Tom F.
Takoma Park MD



--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Henry" <skenry@s...> wrote:
>
> It seems somewhat quiter over here on the new message board.  Did
we
> confuse some people with the directions.
>
> Maybe everyone is just out riding rather than inside typing.
>
>
> Matthew- I told you my story about me and the kids at the BMX
track,
> what do you think about a Kogswell Kruiser.  Come on, a 24"
wheeled
> lugged old school BMX bike.  OK, I guess I'll have to go see what
> Ebay has in stock.
>
> Cheers,
> Scott

> It seems somewhat quiter over here on the new message board.  Did we
> confuse some people with the directions.

The nice thing about the old board was how simple it was.

If this doesn't work out, we can go back to it.

And perhaps I should fix the link on the KW web site to point to here.

> Maybe everyone is just out riding rather than inside typing.

Let's hope so.

> Matthew- I told you my story about me and the kids at the BMX track,
> what do you think about a Kogswell Kruiser.  Come on, a 24" wheeled
> lugged old school BMX bike.  OK, I guess I'll have to go see what
> Ebay has in stock.

Some day I'll tell the story of Basic Bicycles, my first adventure in
bicycle design.  In a nutshell the idea was to make adult-sized BMX
bikes.  The Model F is pretty close to the canonical Basic Bike, but
it's a bit too road-ish.  I think the Model G comes closer.

I love 24" BMX bikes.  I walk by them at bike shops and drool.  My
nephew had a 24" Fuji road bike that I turned into a single speed.
Now my brother rides it and to the exclusion of all his other bikess.
  Costco had a nice 24" BMX bike once.  I went back the next day and
they were gone.

Talk about 650Bs.  24" is another wheel size that gets no respect.  An
there are a lot more good 24" products on the market.

But again, the 559 is so close ro 24" that it doesn't make sense to
build 24" bikes.

Some day I'm gonna unleash my interpretation of a 559 singlespeed and
then look out.  Think 559 BMX to the Nth degree.  And there will be a
29" model as well.

There are a lot of bicycles in my little brain.  And there's smoke
coming off all their brake pads.

Stay tuned.

It seems somewhat quiter over here on the new message board.  Did we
confuse some people with the directions.

Maybe everyone is just out riding rather than inside typing.


Matthew- I told you my story about me and the kids at the BMX track,
what do you think about a Kogswell Kruiser.  Come on, a 24" wheeled
lugged old school BMX bike.  OK, I guess I'll have to go see what
Ebay has in stock.

Cheers,
Scott

Actually, you answered the question in a way that gets to the info I
was curious about.  I appreciate the input.


--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, Dan Gurney <dangurney@s...> wrote:
> Manufacturing quality is hard to tell just by looking and riding. I
> suppose important differences, if there are any, would show up after
> tens of thousands of miles. From the perspective of owning it less
than
> a month, I'd say the quality seems about even: very, very good. I
think
> some of the P frame details are nicer, especially the provisions for
> fenders.
>
> The pearlescent orange paint on the Rambouillet is a little nicer,
IMO,
> but not much. There is just a bit more care visible where the white
> meets the main color at the head tube on the Ram. But you asked
about
> manufacture quality, not paint.
>
> Dan
> --- eflayer98 <eflayer2@c...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> Just curious...still.  How would you compare the manufacturing
> quality of the Rambouillet next to the Kogswell?
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
>
> --- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Gurney" <dangurney@s...> wrote:
> >
> > My cycling buddy, Bill, and I took a ride this morning. He
brought
> his 60cm
> > Rambouillet, I my P-60. Our bikes are the same size and very
> similarly equipped (B-
> > 17 saddles, Ruffy Tuffy tires on both, SPD pedals, Richey cranks,
> bar-end shifters,
> > Nitto bars and stems, & other Rivendellish parts down to the
> saddlebags).
> >
> > We traded bikes, then switched back halfway through the ride. We
> both thought the
> > bikes were VERY similar in their overall handling, feel, and
> quality of ride. As Bill
> > (who's done the Paris-Brest-Paris brevet) said, "I could ride
this
> bike all day, easily."
> > Bottom line: if you're wanting a Riv (both Bill and I have Rivs)
or
> a Rambouillet,
> > consider saving some dough and getting a P-model Kogs. You won't
be
> riding a
> > worse frame. It's a GREAT bike for the money.
> >
> > Dan
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Manufacturing quality is hard to tell just by looking and riding. I
suppose important differences, if there are any, would show up after
tens of thousands of miles. From the perspective of owning it less than
a month, I'd say the quality seems about even: very, very good. I think
some of the P frame details are nicer, especially the provisions for
fenders.

The pearlescent orange paint on the Rambouillet is a little nicer, IMO,
but not much. There is just a bit more care visible where the white
meets the main color at the head tube on the Ram. But you asked about
manufacture quality, not paint.

Dan
--- eflayer98 <eflayer2@...> wrote:


---------------------------------

Just curious...still.  How would you compare the manufacturing
quality of the Rambouillet next to the Kogswell?

Thanks for any comments.


--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Gurney" <dangurney@s...> wrote:
>
> My cycling buddy, Bill, and I took a ride this morning. He brought
his 60cm
> Rambouillet, I my P-60. Our bikes are the same size and very
similarly equipped (B-
> 17 saddles, Ruffy Tuffy tires on both, SPD pedals, Richey cranks,
bar-end shifters,
> Nitto bars and stems, & other Rivendellish parts down to the
saddlebags).
>
> We traded bikes, then switched back halfway through the ride. We
both thought the
> bikes were VERY similar in their overall handling, feel, and
quality of ride. As Bill
> (who's done the Paris-Brest-Paris brevet) said, "I could ride this
bike all day, easily."
> Bottom line: if you're wanting a Riv (both Bill and I have Rivs) or
a Rambouillet,
> consider saving some dough and getting a P-model Kogs. You won't be
riding a
> worse frame. It's a GREAT bike for the money.
>
> Dan




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Just curious...still.  How would you compare the manufacturing
quality of the Rambouillet next to the Kogswell?

Thanks for any comments.


--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Gurney" <dangurney@s...> wrote:
>
> My cycling buddy, Bill, and I took a ride this morning. He brought
his 60cm
> Rambouillet, I my P-60. Our bikes are the same size and very
similarly equipped (B-
> 17 saddles, Ruffy Tuffy tires on both, SPD pedals, Richey cranks,
bar-end shifters,
> Nitto bars and stems, & other Rivendellish parts down to the
saddlebags).
>
> We traded bikes, then switched back halfway through the ride. We
both thought the
> bikes were VERY similar in their overall handling, feel, and
quality of ride. As Bill
> (who's done the Paris-Brest-Paris brevet) said, "I could ride this
bike all day, easily."
> Bottom line: if you're wanting a Riv (both Bill and I have Rivs) or
a Rambouillet,
> consider saving some dough and getting a P-model Kogs. You won't be
riding a
> worse frame. It's a GREAT bike for the money.
>
> Dan

--- In KOG@yahoogroups.com, "kogswellreader" <kogswellcycles@g...> wrote:

Perfect! I don't think that you could do anything more then the rack mounts to
make me
happy. I wouldn't have designed anything more or less on this frame. Assuming
that I
could design a frame, which I can't. I just have wish lists. YOU, Matthew, are
the master!

->Ben

>
>
> The G and M samples arrived on Thursday.
>
> I got a chance to photo the G58 before they all went to the powder guy
> for their candy coating.
>
> I updated the Model G web page and you can see the details there:
>
>   http://kogswell.com/g.html
>
> I forgot to ask for rack mounts on seat stays.  They'll be easy to add.
>
> And the threaded fork will be a good 25mm longer.
>
> Other than that, they seem perfect.
>
> Let me know what you all think, please.
>
> Matthew

I'm voting for Kustard, too. Oh my God, I already have one of these,
and now I'm just going to have to have another. I suppose I need a
winter bike. There's space for one more bike rack in the bike museum.
My pocketbook just went into the corner and shot itself. How do people
who buy Rambouillets  (and Rivendells) afford it. They probably don't
buy (and retrofit) Four in One Year.

Matthew, I want one. Any color too.

The rack mounts will be nice. I got called a poser on the fixed gear
list yesterday for saying that messenger bags were part of the
aesthetic of fixed gear, but I will readily admit racks are an easier
way to carry things. I use an Xtracycle to go to the grocery store:
that's a rack bigger than a trailer! mounts. I haven't had a rack on a
bike for years because of the way they look, but they make the bike
much more useful, and Tubus is making some very pretty racks these
days. Nitto has a few too.

I like the fender mounts. That's city bike stuff: rack mounts and
fender mounts. Fixed-gear purists hate them, but they make the bike
more functional. I'm trying to get some Berthoud stainless steel
fenders before winter hits. That's about the only fender I'd like to
put on my Kogswell, though black Planet Bike fenders wouldn't kill the
aesthetics. What I would also like to see in a city bike is a mount
for a U-lock. The ones that come with U-locks are generally butt ugly
and ruin the look of the frame. I don't know where you'd put it or
what it would look like, but it would be nice if someone could think
about it. I hate carrying my New York lock in my messenger bag because
it's too heavy.


On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:03:47 -0000, Scott Henry <skenry@...> wrote:
>
>  Looks good Matthew,
>  I like the 72.5 x 72 angles on the 58cm.   Nice top tube length
>  too.  Looks like a nice riding bike.  I can see a divorce coming in
>  my future.  I'm not a huge fan of traditional headsets, but you
>  can't make everyone happy.  And besides, thats why I have my F.
>
>  I know that you've said it before, but what colors were you going
>  with?  I'm sure it will be pretty whatever the color.  You realize
>  however if you make them all Kustard I'd be able to easily sneak it
>  into the garage.
>
>  Cheers,
>  Scott
>
>
>
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How often I have lain beneath rain on a strange roof, thinking of home.

Looks good Matthew,
I like the 72.5 x 72 angles on the 58cm.   Nice top tube length
too.  Looks like a nice riding bike.  I can see a divorce coming in
my future.  I'm not a huge fan of traditional headsets, but you
can't make everyone happy.  And besides, thats why I have my F.

I know that you've said it before, but what colors were you going
with?  I'm sure it will be pretty whatever the color.  You realize
however if you make them all Kustard I'd be able to easily sneak it
into the garage.

Cheers,
Scott

The G and M samples arrived on Thursday.

I got a chance to photo the G58 before they all went to the powder guy
for their candy coating.

I updated the Model G web page and you can see the details there:

   http://kogswell.com/g.html

I forgot to ask for rack mounts on seat stays.  They'll be easy to add.

And the threaded fork will be a good 25mm longer.

Other than that, they seem perfect.

Let me know what you all think, please.

Matthew

My cycling buddy, Bill, and I took a ride this morning. He brought his 60cm
Rambouillet, I my P-60. Our bikes are the same size and very similarly equipped
(B-
17 saddles, Ruffy Tuffy tires on both, SPD pedals, Richey cranks, bar-end
shifters,
Nitto bars and stems, & other Rivendellish parts down to the saddlebags).

We traded bikes, then switched back halfway through the ride. We both thought
the
bikes were VERY similar in their overall handling, feel, and quality of ride. As
Bill
(who's done the Paris-Brest-Paris brevet) said, "I could ride this bike all day,
easily."
Bottom line: if you're wanting a Riv (both Bill and I have Rivs) or a
Rambouillet,
consider saving some dough and getting a P-model Kogs. You won't be riding a
worse frame. It's a GREAT bike for the money.

Dan

I like the archive feature - I was always looking for old text that
had fallen off the edge in the old message board.
Now I just have to figure out how to scan in some pics (gotta develop
them first).  My F50 is actually done and on the road - finally!  How
slow am I?  Well, Matthew designed at least three frames in the time
it took me to build it up...

Bill slow as a snail Raymoure

I just uploaded four new photos, and six that are already on the
owner's web site, to a photo album called "Michael Wise's F54". I had
some 400 color print film, and I really wanted to get some pictures of
what I call Musee de la Bicyclette, the wallhanging of bikes, skis and
bike frames. Unfortunately, natural light doesn't help when shooting
pictures of the bike museum: the light coming in the windows is too
bright, and none of it falls directly on the bikes. So I tried
artificial light, which seemed to work okay. The Kustard color doesn't
look washed-out like in the daylight pics.

I love this bike! Someone on the fixed gear channel just called me a
poser for not wanting to ruin the aesthetics of this bike with
anything as pedestrian as a rack, saddlebags, or panniers. Or maybe
the way I posed it: "A messenger bag is part of the aesthetic of
riding fixed". But I would much rather carry it myself than mess with
the bike, and every fixie I know (and yes, in Salt Lake, I know every
one of them by name) feels the same way.

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 06:51:58 -0500, Kogswell Cycles
<kogswellcycles@...> wrote:
>  On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 04:55:07 -0600, Michael Wise <mishaweis@...>
> wrote:
>  >  Gmail is a really great way of managing mailing lists. Way to go,
> Matthew!
>
>  Michael,
>
>  I'm glad that you and Scott think that a mailing list works.  The
>  message board was simple and effective (read Kogswellian).  But it
>  lacked some features that you and others had asked about.
>
>  I wanted a discussion system that would do more, one that would bring
>  Kogswell owners the kind of functionality that they're used to: good
>  and cheap!
>
>  Yahoo! Groups is a really nice system.  It's 'remotely hosted' meaning
>  that Ben and I don't have to install anything.  Its appearance can be
>  customized a bit.  And it offers lots of goodies:
>
>    - photo uploading (no need to wait for me to transfer bike photos to
>  Ben, just do it)
>
>    - email message posting/reading along with a web interface if needed
>
>    - archiving and searching of old messages
>
>    - RSS syndication for info junkies
>
>    - and my favorite, a chat room
>
>  There is a bit of a downside.  Becoming a member requires a bit of
>  doing, especially if don't have or want a Yahoo Account.  But
>  membership isn't required if you just want to read the messages or
>  look at images using the web interface.  And it's not as streamlined
>  as the old message board.
>
>  We'll have to see how others like it.  If it doesn't make the majority
>  of owners happy, we can move on.
>
>  So now all we need to do is get ALL the Kogswell Owners onto Gmail.
>  Do you think we can do that?
>
>  Gmail and Yahoo Mail both bug me. I think the developers are giving
>  the users enough functionality.  There are lots of easy things that
>  could be done to make message creation and manipulation much easier.
>  But I guess even in utopia there's myopia.
>
>  BTW, I've been following how you champion Kogswell on the mailing
>  lists. Good work!
>
>  Let's message more soon!
>
>  Matthew
>
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 04:55:07 -0600, Michael Wise <mishaweis@...> wrote:
>  Gmail is a really great way of managing mailing lists. Way to go, Matthew!

Michael,

I'm glad that you and Scott think that a mailing list works.  The
message board was simple and effective (read Kogswellian).  But it
lacked some features that you and others had asked about.

I wanted a discussion system that would do more, one that would bring
Kogswell owners the kind of functionality that they're used to: good
and cheap!

Yahoo! Groups is a really nice system.  It's 'remotely hosted' meaning
that Ben and I don't have to install anything.  Its appearance can be
customized a bit.  And it offers lots of goodies:

   - photo uploading (no need to wait for me to transfer bike photos to
Ben, just do it)

   - email message posting/reading along with a web interface if needed

   - archiving and searching of old messages

   - RSS syndication for info junkies

   - and my favorite, a chat room

There is a bit of a downside.  Becoming a member requires a bit of
doing, especially if don't have or want a Yahoo Account.  But
membership isn't required if you just want to read the messages or
look at images using the web interface.  And it's not as streamlined
as the old message board.

We'll have to see how others like it.  If it doesn't make the majority
of owners happy, we can move on.

So now all we need to do is get ALL the Kogswell Owners onto Gmail.
Do you think we can do that?

Gmail and Yahoo Mail both bug me. I think the developers are giving
the users enough functionality.  There are lots of easy things that
could be done to make message creation and manipulation much easier.
But I guess even in utopia there's myopia.

BTW, I've been following how you champion Kogswell on the mailing
lists. Good work!

Let's message more soon!

Matthew

Gmail is a really great way of managing mailing lists. Way to go, Matthew!

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How often I have lain beneath rain on a strange roof, thinking of home.

On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:41:00 -0000, Scott Henry <skenry@...> wrote:
>
>  Matthew, this was a good idea, getting the messages in my email will
>  make it easier for me to keep up with things (and goof off) at
>  work.
>
>  And how cool is that, it looks like I have the first post.
>
>  For some Kogswellian content, I just put some rather old Scott AT3
>  bars on my fixie and love it.  They are from the mid80s with the
>  built in barends.  My stem is now a bit too long, but it will do.
>
>  Cheers,
>  Scott Henry
>  Dayton, OH

Hey, Scott.

Kool.  Glad you like it.

Just trying to make things a bit easier for everyone.

Yahoo Groups seems to do the job and more.  Once gain, Yahoo comes through.

I was busy with the G/M samples today.  I'll have time tomorrow to
talk about them some more.

Matthew

Matthew, this was a good idea, getting the messages in my email will
make it easier for me to keep up with things (and goof off) at
work.

And how cool is that, it looks like I have the first post.

For some Kogswellian content, I just put some rather old Scott AT3
bars on my fixie and love it.  They are from the mid80s with the
built in barends.  My stem is now a bit too long, but it will do.

Cheers,
Scott Henry
Dayton, OH