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If the rack design isn't finalized yet:

I think I've said this before, but I think it should have double threaded brazeons for light mounting on at least one side, like the Ebisu rack has. That way you can use Velo-Orange's nice flashlight mounts. There's a reasonable photo here: http://velo-orange.com/dflbr.html

That's where the otherwise very nice M12 rack fails, imo.

I think my ideal rando rack would have one strut for an E6, and brazeons for a flashlight on the other side.

On 1/30/07, Kogswell Cycles <kogswellcycles@...> wrote:

On 1/30/07, mlove@... <mlove@...> wrote:

> Holy cow, you're a tease, Grimm.  Got any photos of the small?

> Murray

No.  But when I get one, I'll share it.

MG

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Matthew. Can you report on the progress of the Bijou? A posting on another forum led me to believe it will be a lugged version of the P/R. If this is true,...

gachtem

Jan 30, 2007
4:59 pm

... Hmmmm... I think rocket wheels would look better on a TIG'd frame. But what do I know? Here's an executive summary: Same head lugs as the Model G (and D...

Kogswell Cycles
kogswellreader

Jan 30, 2007
8:06 pm

... Matthew, Sounds Tasty!! Will the geometry be the same as the current P/R frames? Same choice of forks? Ryan...

Ryan Watson
rswatson42

Jan 30, 2007
8:15 pm

... Yep. MG...

Kogswell Cycles
kogswellreader

Jan 30, 2007
8:46 pm

... Racks plural, Matthew? As in, both P and R racks? Or just P? Murray...

mlove@...
murraylove

Jan 30, 2007
8:18 pm

... I think of them as small and large. MG...

Kogswell Cycles
kogswellreader

Jan 30, 2007
8:42 pm

... Holy cow, you're a tease, Grimm. Got any photos of the small? Murray...

mlove@...
murraylove

Jan 30, 2007
9:37 pm

... No. But when I get one, I'll share it. MG...

Kogswell Cycles
kogswellreader

Jan 31, 2007
6:29 am

If the rack design isn't finalized yet: I think I've said this before, but I think it should have double threaded brazeons for light mounting on at least one...

Adam Alpern
adam_alpern

Jan 31, 2007
7:09 pm

... 584 ... rims ... Uh...I'm new to Kogswell and I am wondering - will the Bijou plane? Bill...

raymourew

Jan 30, 2007
9:12 pm

... All frames plane. If the right person rides them. Are you the right person? MG...

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kogswellreader

Jan 31, 2007
6:28 am

... plane? ... Matthew, Good answer to a badly worded question. Actually, I'm not the right person for a Bijou (yet) because I don't think I'm covered by the...

raymourew

Jan 31, 2007
4:13 pm

What is this planing you speak of and do you have a wiki-link for it?...

highlyselassie

Jan 31, 2007
6:03 pm

... Your best bet would be to search for "planing" at bikelist.org. I would pay particular attention to posts from alex, Kogswell, and Jan Heine, but many...

Strap
gilstrap72207

Jan 31, 2007
6:16 pm

... it? ... on ... bicycle ... debate ... Yup, Keith beat me to it. The most detailed discussions of planing have been in Bicycle Quarterly (formerly known as...

raymourew

Jan 31, 2007
6:51 pm

... Hi, Bill. I think in order to design a frame to plane, we'd first need to have a satisfactory, agreed-upon definition of the term, and that's been lacking...

mlove@...
murraylove

Jan 31, 2007
6:09 pm

... need to ... biomechanics ... climbing ... stiff to ... be one ... P/R, with ... just fine, ... in this ... From what you've said about planing so far, it...

highlyselassie

Jan 31, 2007
6:30 pm

... ...hence my highly qualified answer. I agree that it *sounds* pseudo-scientific,and that we're sorely needing an operational definition here, but I figure...

mlove@...
murraylove

Jan 31, 2007
6:50 pm

... definition ... Leeway?. Science is science and notions are notions, until he can prove by scientific method that flexing of the bottom bracket in a certain...

highlyselassie

Jan 31, 2007
7:43 pm

... to ... And what exactly isn't "positive" about "produc[ing] a feeling that some people may find attractive"? That would be one of the primary design goals...

mlove@...
murraylove

Jan 31, 2007
8:39 pm

... snip ... Jan can provide them. Back issues of Bicycle Quarterly which contain the articles of interest are avaible through the Vintage Bicycle Press ...

raymourew

Jan 31, 2007
8:44 pm

... Having re-read my answer it sounds a bit flippant. All I meant was that I think that planing is an interaction between rider and frame. ... My guess is...

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kogswellreader

Feb 1, 2007
8:03 am

... So those no body-fat, fast twitch world class physical specimen pro bike racers might be merrily planning along on their carbon fiber bikes? John...

prester_john_in_cathay
prester_john...

Feb 1, 2007
4:17 pm

... Who do you think those flexible old-school-diameter-tubing road racers were designed for in the first place?...

Steve Palincsar
palincss

Feb 1, 2007
5:50 pm

... they couldve been planing on their non-oversized steel bikes, and the current riders planing on their carbon fiber bikes... heck, they might even plane on...

joel metz
magpiesf

Feb 1, 2007
6:45 pm

... If I'm right about planing (and why wouldn't I be - HA!), then the answer is: they might - but it still is an interaction between bike and rider so a racer...

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kogswellreader

Feb 1, 2007
6:26 pm

... Sort of. But I wonder if you're not tending to remystify something that's only just now beginning to emerge from the thickets of mystery and supposition. ...

mlove@...
murraylove

Feb 1, 2007
6:52 pm

... There's no doubt that OS D/Ts are too stiff. So moving away from them is an absolutely good thing. But engineering planing? If I think it is difficult and...

Kogswell Cycles
kogswellreader

Feb 1, 2007
7:52 pm

... Agreed. ... Nope. My point was it may not be an engineering problem at all, let alone an intractable one--that by making the bike more flexible you would...

mlove@...
murraylove

Feb 1, 2007
8:06 pm

... Ah. OK. Well, I am going to adopt the French method. L'll start whittling away at tubes and see if anything good happens. MG...

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kogswellreader

Feb 1, 2007
8:15 pm

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