hi wendi--
good to meet you!!
i am waiting for my skates to come --hopefully on Friday!!
i hope the boot breaking in period is not hard but i have a feeling it
will be!! geez i had forgotten all about that!
i hope to compete again!! i am just so very excited to have had the info
for these skates!!
i will let ya know when the skates come!
any info or advice for what to do or expect on the first try??
Denise  :)

Wendi:  I had Harlick rebuild a pair of boots for me, and it cost about
$50.00.  Go for it!  I don't think it would affect your performance at
Regionals.

Also, salchows, backspins, spins and camel spins are all possible, so don't
give up!

JO ANN


At 01:50 PM 6/9/99 -0700, you wrote:
>From: Wendi Dunlap-Simpson <litlnemo@...>
>
>I found that some things I knew from ice skating transferred quite easily
>-- toe jumps, outside three turns, falling leafs -- but others have been
>nervewrackingly difficult for me -- salchows, backspins, any spin, really.
>
>My main frustration is with my boots.
>They actually fit quite well, but they are too broken down.
>I hate to blame my equipment, but I think in this case the floppy boots are
>the cause of some of my problems on the Pics. I need to have the boots
>rebuilt...
JO ANN SCHNEIDER FARRIS
e-mail: jfarris@...
phone: 632-4098
WEB SITE: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Mound/5586/

Hello all, I'm new to the list too.

I'm Wendi, age 34. I've had my PicSkates for about three months now. I am
an ice skater (USFSA Adult Bronze level) and quad roller skater (competing
this year in Novice figures). I maintain the Artskate mailing list for
artistic roller skaters.

I found that some things I knew from ice skating transferred quite easily
-- toe jumps, outside three turns, falling leafs -- but others have been
nervewrackingly difficult for me -- salchows, backspins, any spin, really.
I whacked my knee really hard attempting a camel on my first night with
these skates, and I haven't tried it since because it's clear I don't
really have the control I need to get to the camel.

My roller skating coach has a little trouble coaching me on these since the
techniques are so much different than on quads. So far I've been showing
her! "This is how I would do a toe walley... this is how I would so a toe
loop, err, Mapes..." :-) And then she helps me polish it up.

My main frustration is with my boots. My feet are unusually wide -- my left
foot is EE width at the toes and C at the heel. My right foot is D at the
toes and C at the heel. They also pronate inwards quite strongly. Because
of this, I can't wear stock boots. My ice skates and quads have SP-Teri
customs. But I couldn't afford another pair for the Pics, so I bought
someone else's used Harlick customs that had been used for quad freestyle.
They actually fit quite well, but they are too broken down. I find any type
of outside edge almost completely impossible, and a few times my ankle has
bent when jumping or landing and given me a lot of pain.

I hate to blame my equipment, but I think in this case the floppy boots are
the cause of some of my problems on the Pics. I need to have the boots
rebuilt since new boots are completely out of the question right now, but
with Regionals coming up... :)

Yes, I decided to compete in JO1B Inline Singles at the USA/RS Northwest
Regionals this year. We got the schedule for the event yesterday, and I am
the only one in that particular event! So as long as I show up and skate, I
will be Regional champion by default, I guess. ;)

I'd like to encourage all of you to try competing if you're interested in
that. The field is very small. In other regions, there may be more inline
skaters, but the event still needs to grow.

Anyway, that just about covers what I'm up to on my Pics. I'm glad to have
found this list!
--
*-----------------------+--------------------------------------+--------*
  \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo@...   | dear  /
  / Seattle, Wash., USA  | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us |  23   \
*--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"-----*

----- Original Message ----- > At 10:54 AM 6/9/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >From: PBrickner@...
> >
> >However, even after reading Jo Ann's "How To..." book and trying out
> spins, I
> >can't seem to even begin to get the hang of spins!!
> >
>

     Pattie,
You might first be tempted to spin on the front wheel.  Now, this is a good
exercise while learning how the skates manuever and it helps you get
control.  But for spins, spin up higher on the toe and not on the front
wheel.

How about others--how are you spinning on in line skates?   I saw a man the
other day doing a two foot spin WAY up on his front wheels!  He did not have
pic skates.
Marion

hello everyone--
my name is Denise , i am 47 yrs old and live in the central CA coast
area!!
i have just ordered my Pic skates!!
i have ice skated for yrs and now for the first time in my life there is
no ice rink where i live!
thus i am very excitied about learning this roller version of skating!!
i am looking forward to getting to know the group!!
seee ya all soon
Denise

At 10:54 AM 6/9/99 -0400, you wrote:
>From: PBrickner@...
>
>However, even after reading Jo Ann's "How To..." book and trying out
spins, I
>can't seem to even begin to get the hang of spins!!
>
Spins seem impossible at first.  You might want to try to do a sit spin.
This might sound crazy, but the getting so low means that you won't have
far to fall!  As I was experimenting with sit spins, I would "chicken out"
and all of a sudden, I was doing great upright spins!  For some reason,
getting so low, got me to control the front of the skate.  So, go into a
sit spin, "chicken out" and you might be surprised!

JO ANN
JO ANN SCHNEIDER FARRIS
e-mail: jfarris@...
phone: 632-4098
WEB SITE: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Mound/5586/

Thanks for the tip on wheel rotation, Marion.  At this point I'm doing my
skating only on a tennis court which is smooth but, of course, much rougher
than something like a gymnasium floor or roller rink.  So I'll be careful
about the rotation.
I'm actually finally breaking in my new boots, and I'm lovin' it!  I haven't
jumped or spun on ice even in such a long time, but I'm doing waltz jumps and
little toe loops on my in-lines.... I'm sure they don't look like much at
this point, but it feels GREAT to be jumping and landing on one foot!  It's
fun to have the hang of the outside and inside three turns now, too.
However, even after reading Jo Ann's "How To..." book and trying out spins, I
can't seem to even begin to get the hang of spins!!  All in time. :)
Thanks, again!

I usually go by the look of the wheels when rotating them.  I find I can
wait quite a while and can tell when to rotate also when I begin to feel
like I am slipping a little bit.  I probably get a little more wear by
waiting, but  when  skating outside,  I wouldn't wait until it felt
slippery.  It depends on how comfortable you feel.


Marion
Check out my Website,
http://homestead.com/superskater/skate.html
----- Original Message -----

I was waiting to answer PBrickner@...'s questions, since I was hoping
someone else would respond besides me, since others might have an answer,
but since no one has responded, this is what I do regarding rotating the
pic and the wheels on the PicFrame skate:

I buy a whole bunch of extra pics, and rotate  my pic until it gets
completely worn out and then put another one on.  When the wheels get worn
a lot on the inside, I rotate them, but don't wait too long.  Hope this all
helps!  JO ANN

>At 12:33 PM 5/31/99 -0400, you wrote:
>From: PBrickner@...
> Just a couple questions....
> How often should I change the pic?

>Also, I'm wondering when the wheels
>should be rotated... like, after how many uses... or should I just go by the
>"look" of them?

JO ANN SCHNEIDER FARRIS
e-mail: jfarris@...
phone: 632-4098
WEB SITE: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Mound/5586/

Skating was my life when I was young; however, for various reasons, I
haven't skated in years... my last pair of Harlicks are barely broken in!
However, I have and will continue to always have a love (and obsession) for
skating.  I have a conventional pair of in-lines but haven't used them much
as it was just kind of frustrating for me, and until recently, I did not have
convenient access to an ice rink in San Francisco.  So I was very intrigued
when Jo Ann Schneider Farris told me last year about the inline PicSkate.
	 Well, I'm writing to say that I finally ordered and recently received
my PicFrames which I decided to have mounted on my Harlicks, and I am
thrilled!!  I skated on them yesterday on a tennis court just a block away
from my home, and I feel like I now have my own neighborhood rink!  It felt
so similar to flying around a ice rink.   Mind you, I haven't attempted jumps
and spins on ice in a long time, so I'm far from doing that on in-lines, but
just to have the feeling of zooming around, doing back crossovers in a figure
8, even some pretty deep edges, doing a spiral.... I'm almost in heaven!!
I've already been studying Jo Ann's book on "How to Jump and Spin on In-line
Skates" and am looking forward to working on my edges, turns, and slowly
getting into higher-level "stuff."
	 Just a couple questions....
	 How often should I change the pic?  After skating for just about 45
minutes, I noticed that my pics have already worn down more than I expected.
(I don't know why I didn't expect that.)  Also, I'm wondering when the wheels
should be rotated... like, after how many uses... or should I just go by the
"look" of them?
	 (As all the streets around here have minor to major grades, getting
to "my rink" was a bit of an uphill battle, and then returning home was.....
wh-o-o-oa!!!!  I was a little scared to be zooming so fast on cement (toward
a busy intersection!) and ended up "T-dragging" a lot of the way home.  I'm
figuring I'll walk back the next time as I don't want to wear out the inside
of my right wheels!)
	 I'm so happy about PicSkate's great advance in in-lines and am
looking forward to doing a lot of skating that has that old familiar
feeling.... and finally breaking in my boots!

Hi,

This comment is for Jeff regarding Traix skates.  I have Traix Skates and
have had the same problem with "floppiness."  I had the Triax mounted on
Harlick dance boots.  I believe that the Harlick boot combination with the
Triax leaves no margin for error with regard to mounting.  I finally had the
Triax mounted to the extreme inside.  It cannot be mounted any further!  With
this I have a lot more control.  But I'm still not completely satisfied.  I'm
also thinking about having the boots made stiffer as these are very soft. But
I question that since you have done this and it didn't change the floppiness.
Maybe the problem is the frame itself???  I have also been experimenting with
wheels. I took the original wheels off because they are too slow but were
great for turns. I have yet to find a wheel that is just right for me. I am
trying wheels that are 68mm/85A and any others that are harder.  I will try
the Spinner wheels next.

I also have a Galaxy frame (another 3 wheel artistic frame) that is mounted
on a Silver Star Riedell boot.  I do not have the same problem with these as
with the Triax.  I can also use these on a basketball quart outside.  The
frame is sturdier (not as nice looking as Traix).  I bought these used and
never had to change the mounting.  They are not even mounted equally on both
sides yet these skates are more forgiving.  Eventually I may switch frames.
Put the Galaxy on the Harlicks and see what happens. :) I haven't given up
yet with the Harlic/Triax combination.  I love these boots.  They are so
comfortable.  I've only had these since January. So I will give it more time
on these skates before I determine the Traix frame is a thumbs down. :)

It was good to hear that I was not alone in experiencing this "floppiness."
I was beginning to think it was just me and my lack of experience. :)  So
maybe it is the frame and NOT ME! LOL.
finesse

Hi Jo Ann (& Everyone)!
     Did I ever mention my experience with Triax skates?  My wife and I had
arrived in Sun Valley, Idaho, in hopes of getting more involved in skating.
Ice, yes, 'cause Sun Valley is known as an ice skating capital, but more in
freestyle roller skating, which means inlines, for the most part.  There are
some fascinating skaters there.  One is Ananda, a fellow who is in his
fifties, but dances through the streets of Sun Valley and nearby Ketchum,
with the stamina and enthuiasm of a teenager.  His style is totally unique.
Ananda is known as a local eccentric, and I mean that in the best possible
way.  In his late teens, Ananda was a competitive skier.  He then spent 23
years in a monastery.  He came back to Sun Valley and started an organic
smoothie stand which has become quite popular with locals and visitors.
Virtually all celebrity ice skaters know Ananda and drink his smoothies.  In
his spare time, he is always on his conventional inline, or 5-wheel inline
skates, in the streets and on the bike paths, skating in a way that is seldom
seen.  Whereas Ananda can do some of the standard freestyle moves, his
specialty is dancing, stretching and really flowing with the music on his
walkman, and he does it very well.  Ananda was one of my teachers, in an
unofficial way.  Also, some of the ice skating personalities you see on
television put on their Rollerblades and come play in the streets at times.
I didn't stay in Sun Valley beyond a few months because, not being skiers, my
wife and I didn't want to stay in a place with such severe winters.  Also, we
really didn't get as good at skating as quickly as we wanted (not much
patience I guess), so we felt that the skating-intensive environment there
was more than we needed.
       Anyway, back to the skates: I was experienced with quads, and had tried
conventional inline skates only once or twice up to that time.  I figured
Triax would be a good choice.  I hadn't heard of PicSkates, or perhaps they
hadn't been invented yet.  I wanted toe stops, because I was used to backward
stopping and toe jumps.  I put the Triaxes on some used Gold Star boots I
found. (is that Harlick?).  They were stiffer than the Silver Star boots of
my ice skates, but they seemed much too floppy somehow with the Triax skates.
  I had a shoe shop reinforce the Gold Star boots with a third layer of
leather to make them stiffer.  I remounted my Triax frames a bit inside, a
bit outside, etc.  But nothing stopped the floppy feeling.  I was having some
serious trouble staying on top of them.  Felt like the first time I went ice
skating, when the rental boots were very worn out, and the blades were dull.
Finally, I decided that a toe stop is not necessary, bought a pair of
conventional Rollerblade inline skates, and have been pretty happy ever
since.  Somehow, the Rollerblades immediately felt secure - no floppiness.
      I also feel, now that I have four-wheel skates, that the three-wheelers
are too short for street use.  They seemed almost as prone to stopping in
small potholes and behind pebbles as quad skates.
      BTW, I also changed the Triax wheels.  For outdoor use, they seemed to
hard, so I put on some 80A wheels, and found the traction, security and
rollability much better.  I also tried some experiments with rockering by
using a slightly larger middle wheel, but never got a combination that felt
secure, yet allowed edging the way I had hoped.  I now have my four-wheelers
rockered, and it works great.  Perhaps some of my negative experience with
Triax is due to my lack of experience at the time.  Perhaps not.
Comments?
- Jeff -

The Professional Skaters Convention was in Colorado Springs this week, and
the Trade Show was today.  The PicSkate Company was there, and I was able
to see so many different PicSkates!  There were some even made for rental
and some made for schools.  The skates for the schools were neat looking
because they didn't look like figure skates, so maybe even teenage boys
would think they were cool looking!  There were several different frames
available and different wheels too.  I picked up the information on the Gym
Skate program, which is a step-by-step program for a beginning skater, and
even one of my books sold!  The next trade show that the PicSkate Company
will be at is the Roller Skating Nationals I believe.  Anyway, it was great
to see all the varieties of skates and frames and wheels available, and I
could tell all models are great skates.  Just wanted to share my thoughts.

I also met an ice skating coach who just was given a pair of Snyder Triax
In-Lines, and I can't wait to hear what happens when he puts them on.

Hey, we haven't had much activity lately; is anyone trying any new jumps,
tricks, spins, footwork, etc.?  Is anyone doing good back sit spins?

JO ANN
JO ANN SCHNEIDER FARRIS
e-mail: jfarris@...
phone: 632-4098
WEB SITE: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Mound/5586/

Here's the info on The Spinner Wheel:
"The Spinner™, Model 161, 68mm 84A wheel is a smaller elliptical wheel with
a urethane core.   The Spinner's smaller size reduces the pic angle which
allows for easier spinning.   The harder compound enhances spin speed."

I think the wheels you have are similar. I'm so happy with my Spinner
Wheels, I wouldn't use anything else.

JO ANN



At 08:18 AM 5/20/99 -0400, you wrote:
>From: TriGalaxy@...
>
>Hi Jo Ann,
>
>What is the profile of your spinner wheels?  I just bought a set of hockey
>wheels, 76mm/81A. These wheels have a narrow profile. They are fast, turn
>easily with effortless stroking.   I also have a much longer glide with each
>stroke.  Will the Spinner wheels do the same?
>
>Thanks,
>finesse
>
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>
>Happy Skating!
>
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e-mail: jfarris@...
phone: 632-4098
WEB SITE: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Mound/5586/

Hi Jo Ann,

What is the profile of your spinner wheels?  I just bought a set of hockey
wheels, 76mm/81A. These wheels have a narrow profile. They are fast, turn
easily with effortless stroking.   I also have a much longer glide with each
stroke.  Will the Spinner wheels do the same?

Thanks,
finesse

Marion:
I don't feel any difference in jumping when I use the Spinner Wheels.  They
just make me spin fast, and I feel like I'm on the ice with them.  They are
68mm, 84a.  I got them when I wore out my first set of wheels.

Happy Spinning and Skating! JO ANN

At 01:08 PM 5/19/99 -0700, you wrote:
>From: "Marion Curtis" <voicewr@...>
>
>Jo Ann--You mentioned you have the spinner wheels available from the pic
>skate company.  How do your jumps compare with the stock wheels?  I am
>thinking of getting the spinner wheels, but l love to jump and am wondering
>how they effect them.  What are the size differences of the wheels?
>Marion
>
>
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>
>
>Happy Skating!
>
Jo Ann Schneider Farris
e-mail: jfarris@...
Phone: (719) 632-4098
Visit the CC SKATING HOME PAGE at:
http://rikki.ColoradoCollege.edu/~jfarris
or the new HONNEN ICE RINK WEB SITE at:
http://www.ColoradoCollege.edu/athletics/skating

Jo Ann--You mentioned you have the spinner wheels available from the pic
skate company.  How do your jumps compare with the stock wheels?  I am
thinking of getting the spinner wheels, but l love to jump and am wondering
how they effect them.  What are the size differences of the wheels?
Marion

In a message dated 5/18/99 4:56:55 PM, MCSKATE@... writes:
<<From: "Juli M McKinstry" <MCSKATE@...>
Just look at how little blade is actually on the ice when you are skating on
ice!
Juli
		 This is exactly what I was thinking after reading the past
several messages!  Thanks for that, Juli.  I'm getting a lot out of these
"onelist" questions/comments.  Keep 'em coming!


----- Original Message -----
From: Marion Curtis <voicewr@...>
To: <Inlinejumpspinners@onelist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Inlinejumpspinners] skates and wheel rockering
> From: "Marion Curtis" <voicewr@...>
> Hi Arthur,
> I am a former ice skater and I skate on the Pic Skate, and as far as the
> rockering question goes, my friends have looked at my wheel when I"m rolling
> and are surprised to find only two wheels spinning at a given time.   I
> could not feel the difference but after their observations, and when I
> started thinking about it, it was a little unnerving.  But I realized it
was all in
> my head.  More later on this topic.
> Marion
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Arthur Kosten <ajkosten@...>
> > To: <Inlinejumpspinners@onelist.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 1:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Inlinejumpspinners] skates and wheel rockering
> > From: Arthur Kosten <ajkosten@...>
> >
> > Hi Jo Ann,
> >
> > Thanks for your answer on my rockering question and your remarks on the
> > PicFrame skate. I just received the PicFrame coaches video, and my first
> > impression was one of disbelief. I just couldn't believe my eyes that
these
> > skaters were doing just about everything you could do on ice (and although
> > there was no protection, i couldn't see any blood, wounds or even
scratches).
> >
> > Having looked a little longer, my second observation was that the skates
> > seem a little instable. They seem to be strongly rockered, having only two
> > wheels in contact with the surface at any time. And when performing edges,
> > the skates seems to be wiggling a curve instead of carving it cleanly.
> > Does this conform to your experience with the PicFrame skate? Is this a
normal
> > thing, maybe exaggerated through the video close-ups? Or does it really
> > feel a little wobbly? Are the skates also stable at higher speeds when
> > doing backward cross-overs for example?
> >
> > Do you also skate outdoors with the PicFrame skate? I noticed that they
> > have quite small and hard wheels. Is it still comfortable on outdoors
asphalt?
> >
> > The PicFrame skates look very promising, but i still have some question.
> > Maybe you, or one of the other members of the list could give some
answers.
> > Ciao, Arthur
> >
> > At 08:22 16-5-99 +0000, you wrote:
> > >From: Jo Ann Schneider Farris <jfarris@...>
> > >When I just skate for fun I have a pair of in-line hockey skates.  I put
> > >smaller wheels on the front and back, and they are then rockered, and
find
> > >they feel more like ice skates that way, and I can do a lot.  When Iwant
> > >to do most jumps and spins, I use PicFrame skates, that are already
> > >rockered.  I use the Spinner wheels on my PicFrames which are small and
> > >hard, and make me spin fast!  JO ANN
> > >
> > >At 11:01 AM 5/16/99 +0000, you wrote:
> > >From: ajkosten@...
> > >Hi list members,
> > >I have been experimenting a little with wheel rockering on my K2 Impulse
> > >skates. I have 76mm 78A wheels, and i moved the first and last wheels one
> > >position up with the hexagonal frame spacers, in order to make better
edges
> > >and easier turns.
> > >It just works for me. If i use more rockering, the skates become
extremely
> > >unstable. If i use less (equal height of all wheels) turning and
deepedges
> > >are very hard. So i am very curious on your skating equipment..

> > >What skates are you using? Which wheels? How big, how hard? Has anyone
> > >experience with rockering, how much millimeters? Anyone using the
> > >PicFrame skates?
> > >>Please share your experience with me...
> > >>Bye, Arthur

Just look at how little blade is actually on the ice when you are skating on
ice!
Juli
----- Original Message -----
From: Marion Curtis <voicewr@...>
To: <Inlinejumpspinners@onelist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Inlinejumpspinners] skates and wheel rockering


> From: "Marion Curtis" <voicewr@...>
>
> Hi Arthur,
> I am a former ice skater and I skate on the Pic Skate, and as far as the
> rockering question goes, my friends have looked at my wheel when I"m
rolling
> and are surprised to find only two wheels spinning at a given time.   I
> could not feel the difference but after their observations, and when I
> started thinking about it, it was a little unnerving.  But I realized it
was
> all in my head.  More later on this topic.
> Marion
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arthur Kosten <ajkosten@...>
> To: <Inlinejumpspinners@onelist.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 1:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Inlinejumpspinners] skates and wheel rockering
>
>
> > From: Arthur Kosten <ajkosten@...>
> >
> > Hi Jo Ann,
> >
> > Thanks for your answer on my rockering question and your remarks on the
> > PicFrame skate. I just received the PicFrame coaches video, and my first
> > impression was one of disbelief. I just couldn't believe my eyes that
> these
> > skaters were doing just about everything you could do on ice (and
although
> > there was no protection, i couldn't see any blood, wounds or even
> scratches).
> >
> > Having looked a little longer, my second observation was that the skates
> > seem a little instable. They seem to be strongly rockered, having only
two
> > wheels in contact with the surface at any time. And when performing
edges,
> > the skates seems to be wiggling a curve instead of carving it cleanly.
> Does
> > this conform to your experience with the PicFrame skate? Is this a
normal
> > thing, maybe exaggerated through the video close-ups? Or does it really
> > feel a little wobbly? Are the skates also stable at higher speeds when
> > doing backward cross-overs for example?
> >
> > Do you also skate outdoors with the PicFrame skate? I noticed that they
> > have quite small and hard wheels. Is it still comfortable on outdoors
> asphalt?
> >
> > The PicFrame skates look very promising, but i still have some question.
> > Maybe you, or one of the other members of the list could give some
> answers.
> >
> > Ciao, Arthur
> >
> > At 08:22 16-5-99 +0000, you wrote:
> > >From: Jo Ann Schneider Farris <jfarris@...>
> > >
> > >When I just skate for fun I have a pair of in-line hockey skates.  I
put
> > >smaller wheels on the front and back, and they are then rockered, and
> find
> > >they feel more like ice skates that way, and I can do a lot.  When I
want
> > >to do most jumps and spins, I use PicFrame skates, that are already
> > >rockered.  I use the Spinner wheels on my PicFrames which are small and
> > >hard, and make me spin fast!  JO ANN
> > >
> > >At 11:01 AM 5/16/99 +0000, you wrote:
> > >>From: ajkosten@...
> > >>
> > >>Hi list members,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I have been experimenting a little with wheel rockering on my K2
Impulse
> > >skates. I have 76mm 78A wheels, and i moved the first and last wheels
one
> > >position up with the hexagonal frame spacers, in order to make better
> edges
> > >and easier turns.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>It just works for me. If i use more rockering, the skates become
> extremely
> > >unstable. If i use less (equal height of all wheels) turning and deep
> edges
> > >are very hard. So i am very curious on your skating equipment..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>What skates are you using? Which wheels? How big, how hard? Has anyone
> > >experience with rockering, how much millimeters? Anyone using the
> PicFrame
> > >skates?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Please share your experience with me...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Bye, Arthur
> > >>
> >
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Happy Skating!
> > >>
> > >JO ANN SCHNEIDER FARRIS
> > >e-mail: jfarris@...
> > >phone: 632-4098
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Without boring everyone on this list, I want to share a short "history" of
my experience with in-lines:

In the 1970s, there were 2 skates out that I wanted: Bi-Skates and
Tri-Skates.  They were very similar: Bi-Skates looked like a traditional
quad skate, but the wheels were in-line and only two wheels were on the
boot.  It had a toe stop.  Tri-Skates, made by John Wilson Blades, were
similar, but had 3 wheels.  I didn't buy either since I didn't have the
money then to buy them.

In the early 80s, I was one of the first to buy the original Rollerblades.
They were great for outdoor street skating, but I learned quite quickly
that doing figure skating moves was not going to work.

In the early 90s, Roller Stop (now the Pic Skate Company) came out with
"The Pic".   It was an actual Pic that I was able to attach to my original
Rollerblades.  Once I had "The Pic" on my skate, I was able to do a lot
more, but my boot was so bulky.  I even tried to talk the person that
mounts my students' blades into taking my frame off of my original
Rollerblade boot and putting it on a Harlick boot!  He wouldn't do it since
the frame was too large.

Then, in 1995, the Pic Frame skate appeared, and I was one of the first to
buy it.  I loved it, and eventually mounted the frame on a pair of brand
new custom Harlicks.

I wasn't convinced that everything on the ice could be done on the Pic
Frame until I saw the coaches video that Arthur is referring to.  Once I
saw the video, I was determined to figure out how to do everything.

In answer to Arthur's question about whether the Pic Frame is as stable as
a regular in-line skate, yes it is, but be sure that you use a good boot.
If you are an advanced ice skater, get the same boot with similar support,
that you would use on the ice.

When I skate outside, I wear full protective gear, and find that I enjoy
skating most on a smooth basketball court, not a bumpy parking lot.

Edges are really hard and I find I must do them with leg extensions rather
than in the tight positions we use on the ice.  Back crossovers are easier
to do than forward crossovers, and feel exactly like back crossovers on the
ice.

Hope this all helps!  JO ANN


At 10:38 AM 5/18/99 +0200, you wrote:
>From: Arthur Kosten <ajkosten@...>
>
>Hi Jo Ann,
>
>Thanks for your answer on my rockering question and your remarks on the
>PicFrame skate. I just received the PicFrame coaches video, and my first
>impression was one of disbelief. I just couldn't believe my eyes that these
>skaters were doing just about everything you could do on ice (and although
>there was no protection, i couldn't see any blood, wounds or even scratches).
>
>Having looked a little longer, my second observation was that the skates
>seem a little instable. They seem to be strongly rockered, having only two
>wheels in contact with the surface at any time. And when performing edges,
>the skates seems to be wiggling a curve instead of carving it cleanly. Does
>this conform to your experience with the PicFrame skate? Is this a normal
>thing, maybe exaggerated through the video close-ups? Or does it really
>feel a little wobbly? Are the skates also stable at higher speeds when
>doing backward cross-overs for example?
>
>Do you also skate outdoors with the PicFrame skate? I noticed that they
>have quite small and hard wheels. Is it still comfortable on outdoors
asphalt?
>
>The PicFrame skates look very promising, but i still have some question.
>Maybe you, or one of the other members of the list could give some answers.
>
>Ciao, Arthur
>
>At 08:22 16-5-99 +0000, you wrote:
>>From: Jo Ann Schneider Farris <jfarris@...>
>>
>>When I just skate for fun I have a pair of in-line hockey skates.  I put
>>smaller wheels on the front and back, and they are then rockered, and find
>>they feel more like ice skates that way, and I can do a lot.  When I want
>>to do most jumps and spins, I use PicFrame skates, that are already
>>rockered.  I use the Spinner wheels on my PicFrames which are small and
>>hard, and make me spin fast!  JO ANN
>>
>>At 11:01 AM 5/16/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>>From: ajkosten@...
>>>
>>>Hi list members,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have been experimenting a little with wheel rockering on my K2 Impulse
>>skates. I have 76mm 78A wheels, and i moved the first and last wheels one
>>position up with the hexagonal frame spacers, in order to make better edges
>>and easier turns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It just works for me. If i use more rockering, the skates become extremely
>>unstable. If i use less (equal height of all wheels) turning and deep edges
>>are very hard. So i am very curious on your skating equipment..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>What skates are you using? Which wheels? How big, how hard? Has anyone
>>experience with rockering, how much millimeters? Anyone using the PicFrame
>>skates?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Please share your experience with me...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bye, Arthur
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jo Ann Schneider Farris
e-mail: jfarris@...
Phone: (719) 632-4098
Visit the CC SKATING HOME PAGE at:
http://rikki.ColoradoCollege.edu/~jfarris
or the new HONNEN ICE RINK WEB SITE at:
http://www.ColoradoCollege.edu/athletics/skating

Hi Arthur,
I am a former ice skater and I skate on the Pic Skate, and as far as the
rockering question goes, my friends have looked at my wheel when I"m rolling
and are surprised to find only two wheels spinning at a given time.   I
could not feel the difference but after their observations, and when I
started thinking about it, it was a little unnerving.  But I realized it was
all in my head.  More later on this topic.
Marion
----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Kosten <ajkosten@...>
To: <Inlinejumpspinners@onelist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Inlinejumpspinners] skates and wheel rockering


> From: Arthur Kosten <ajkosten@...>
>
> Hi Jo Ann,
>
> Thanks for your answer on my rockering question and your remarks on the
> PicFrame skate. I just received the PicFrame coaches video, and my first
> impression was one of disbelief. I just couldn't believe my eyes that
these
> skaters were doing just about everything you could do on ice (and although
> there was no protection, i couldn't see any blood, wounds or even
scratches).
>
> Having looked a little longer, my second observation was that the skates
> seem a little instable. They seem to be strongly rockered, having only two
> wheels in contact with the surface at any time. And when performing edges,
> the skates seems to be wiggling a curve instead of carving it cleanly.
Does
> this conform to your experience with the PicFrame skate? Is this a normal
> thing, maybe exaggerated through the video close-ups? Or does it really
> feel a little wobbly? Are the skates also stable at higher speeds when
> doing backward cross-overs for example?
>
> Do you also skate outdoors with the PicFrame skate? I noticed that they
> have quite small and hard wheels. Is it still comfortable on outdoors
asphalt?
>
> The PicFrame skates look very promising, but i still have some question.
> Maybe you, or one of the other members of the list could give some
answers.
>
> Ciao, Arthur
>
> At 08:22 16-5-99 +0000, you wrote:
> >From: Jo Ann Schneider Farris <jfarris@...>
> >
> >When I just skate for fun I have a pair of in-line hockey skates.  I put
> >smaller wheels on the front and back, and they are then rockered, and
find
> >they feel more like ice skates that way, and I can do a lot.  When I want
> >to do most jumps and spins, I use PicFrame skates, that are already
> >rockered.  I use the Spinner wheels on my PicFrames which are small and
> >hard, and make me spin fast!  JO ANN
> >
> >At 11:01 AM 5/16/99 +0000, you wrote:
> >>From: ajkosten@...
> >>
> >>Hi list members,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I have been experimenting a little with wheel rockering on my K2 Impulse
> >skates. I have 76mm 78A wheels, and i moved the first and last wheels one
> >position up with the hexagonal frame spacers, in order to make better
edges
> >and easier turns.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>It just works for me. If i use more rockering, the skates become
extremely
> >unstable. If i use less (equal height of all wheels) turning and deep
edges
> >are very hard. So i am very curious on your skating equipment..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>What skates are you using? Which wheels? How big, how hard? Has anyone
> >experience with rockering, how much millimeters? Anyone using the
PicFrame
> >skates?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Please share your experience with me...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Bye, Arthur
> >>
> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>
> >>
> >>Happy Skating!
> >>
> >JO ANN SCHNEIDER FARRIS
> >e-mail: jfarris@...
> >phone: 632-4098
> >WEB SITE: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Mound/5586/
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> >
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> >
> >
>
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>
>
> Happy Skating!

Hi Marion,

<< Do you find that without the movement of the truck that you can still do a
  lot of the same manuevers as in quad roller skating? >>

Yes, in fact, I feel more freedom.  With quads, your edges are limited to the
amount of movement in the trucks.  With inlines, you can edge really tight,
which especially when skating backward on an outside edge feels really nifty,
compared to quads.

There is at least one pitfall in using conventional inline skates over ice
skates or quads.  I was used to the toe stops.  At least twice, skating
backward, I expected to use the toe stops to stop, and went down fast and
hard on my knees when I got no stopping action at all!

Of course not having toe stops opens up some new territory.  For instance,
you can bend one knee, and extend the other leg straight out behind, skating
on the toe wheel.  This looks especially interesting if done backward, while
you extend both hands high over your head and arch your back.

I have also seen spins done on both toe wheels, something I doubt anyone
would want to try on quads:)

For all the toe jumps, you'll have to learn alternatives, such as Salchow, or
a technique that Jo Ann showed me when I was in Colorado Springs.  You can
put your foot down sideways and it sticks as good as using a toe pick or toe
stop.  However, it takes a lot of practice to trust that it won't roll out.
You keep the Mapes (toe-loop) form, and don't step fully around onto the
launching foot, as you would for an Axel or waltz jump.

Have fun!
- Jeff -

Hi Jo Ann,

Thanks for your answer on my rockering question and your remarks on the
PicFrame skate. I just received the PicFrame coaches video, and my first
impression was one of disbelief. I just couldn't believe my eyes that these
skaters were doing just about everything you could do on ice (and although
there was no protection, i couldn't see any blood, wounds or even scratches).

Having looked a little longer, my second observation was that the skates
seem a little instable. They seem to be strongly rockered, having only two
wheels in contact with the surface at any time. And when performing edges,
the skates seems to be wiggling a curve instead of carving it cleanly. Does
this conform to your experience with the PicFrame skate? Is this a normal
thing, maybe exaggerated through the video close-ups? Or does it really
feel a little wobbly? Are the skates also stable at higher speeds when
doing backward cross-overs for example?

Do you also skate outdoors with the PicFrame skate? I noticed that they
have quite small and hard wheels. Is it still comfortable on outdoors asphalt?

The PicFrame skates look very promising, but i still have some question.
Maybe you, or one of the other members of the list could give some answers.

Ciao, Arthur

At 08:22 16-5-99 +0000, you wrote:
>From: Jo Ann Schneider Farris <jfarris@...>
>
>When I just skate for fun I have a pair of in-line hockey skates.  I put
>smaller wheels on the front and back, and they are then rockered, and find
>they feel more like ice skates that way, and I can do a lot.  When I want
>to do most jumps and spins, I use PicFrame skates, that are already
>rockered.  I use the Spinner wheels on my PicFrames which are small and
>hard, and make me spin fast!  JO ANN
>
>At 11:01 AM 5/16/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>From: ajkosten@...
>>
>>Hi list members,
>>
>>
>>
>>I have been experimenting a little with wheel rockering on my K2 Impulse
>skates. I have 76mm 78A wheels, and i moved the first and last wheels one
>position up with the hexagonal frame spacers, in order to make better edges
>and easier turns.
>>
>>
>>
>>It just works for me. If i use more rockering, the skates become extremely
>unstable. If i use less (equal height of all wheels) turning and deep edges
>are very hard. So i am very curious on your skating equipment..
>>
>>
>>
>>What skates are you using? Which wheels? How big, how hard? Has anyone
>experience with rockering, how much millimeters? Anyone using the PicFrame
>skates?
>>
>>
>>
>>Please share your experience with me...
>>
>>
>>
>>Bye, Arthur
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>
>>Happy Skating!
>>
>JO ANN SCHNEIDER FARRIS
>e-mail: jfarris@...
>phone: 632-4098
>WEB SITE: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Mound/5586/
>
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>
>
>Happy Skating!
>
>

Do you find that without the movement of the truck that you can still do a
lot of the same manuevers as in quad roller skating?
Marion
----- Original Message -----
From: <Javawizard@...>
To: <Inlinejumpspinners@onelist.com>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Inlinejumpspinners] skates and wheel rockering


> From: Javawizard@...
>
> Hi Folks,
>     I use ordinary four-wheel RollerBlade skates.  I happen to use 80mm
wheels because I like them, but I think
> something smaller would mean less inertia, and therefore better control in
> most freestyle moves.

Hi Folks,
     I use ordinary four-wheel RollerBlade skates.  I forget the model name,
but they are (too) heavy plastic ones with the latch-style buckles.  Anyway,
they provide for rockering, although there is only one adjustment - rockered
or not.  It appears that the front and rear wheels are about 2mm higher than
the middle two.  I happen to use 80mm wheels because I like them, but I think
something smaller would mean less inertia, and therefore better control in
most freestyle moves.
     So, with my skates rockered, they perform quite a bit like quad roller
skates and ice skates.  Yes, you can do deep edges, even deeper than quad
skates I believe, but not quite to the extent you can with ice skates.  The
skates still perform fairly well in reasonably fast downhill runs, (which I
don't often do:)) but they will be somewhat more wobbly than when the wheels
are not rockered.
      However, with the same skates not rockered, freestyle skating is much
more difficult.  You just about can't stay up if you try to land a standard
jump on an outside edge!  You can do edging, but you really have to lean into
it, and it feels like you want to pick the skates up, or lean hard to the
front or back to get them to roll well and not obstinately stick to a
straight line.
- Jeff -

Has anyone out there competed in an in line competition?  Tell us your
experiences.  I think they will be growing more and more.  I talked to
someone last week that is going to compete in Orange, CA on June 6th.
Marion

When I just skate for fun I have a pair of in-line hockey skates.  I put
smaller wheels on the front and back, and they are then rockered, and find
they feel more like ice skates that way, and I can do a lot.  When I want
to do most jumps and spins, I use PicFrame skates, that are already
rockered.  I use the Spinner wheels on my PicFrames which are small and
hard, and make me spin fast!  JO ANN

At 11:01 AM 5/16/99 +0000, you wrote:
>From: ajkosten@...
>
>Hi list members,
>
>
>
>I have been experimenting a little with wheel rockering on my K2 Impulse
skates. I have 76mm 78A wheels, and i moved the first and last wheels one
position up with the hexagonal frame spacers, in order to make better edges
and easier turns.
>
>
>
>It just works for me. If i use more rockering, the skates become extremely
unstable. If i use less (equal height of all wheels) turning and deep edges
are very hard. So i am very curious on your skating equipment..
>
>
>
>What skates are you using? Which wheels? How big, how hard? Has anyone
experience with rockering, how much millimeters? Anyone using the PicFrame
skates?
>
>
>
>Please share your experience with me...
>
>
>
>Bye, Arthur
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Looking for a new hobby?  Want to make a new friend?
>http://www.onelist.com
>Come join one of the 145,000 email communities at ONElist!
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>http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Mound/5586/jumpspin/jumpspin.htm
>
>
>Happy Skating!
>
JO ANN SCHNEIDER FARRIS
e-mail: jfarris@...
phone: 632-4098
WEB SITE: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Mound/5586/

Hi list members,

I have been experimenting a little with wheel rockering on my K2 Impulse skates.
I have 76mm 78A wheels, and i moved the first and last wheels one position up
with the hexagonal frame spacers, in order to make better edges and easier
turns.

It just works for me. If i use more rockering, the skates become extremely
unstable. If i use less (equal height of all wheels) turning and deep edges are
very hard. So i am very curious on your skating equipment..

What skates are you using? Which wheels? How big, how hard? Has anyone
experience with rockering, how much millimeters? Anyone using the PicFrame
skates?

Please share your experience with me...

Bye, Arthur

We also can slip on the ice or on regular in-lines skates, it's just that
skaters can be caught off guard when they slip on pic skates since they
feel so much like ice figure skates.  Also, the falls are so much worse
than ice falls.  I would suggest that this person make sure to wear
protective gear, especially if she skates outside!  JO ANN

At 04:31 PM 5/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>From: "Bruce Curtis" <voicewr@...>
>
>Question:
>I was talking to someone on the phone today, who is training on the pic
>skate and she used to skate as a child on the ice.  She mentioned that from
>time to time she just accidently "slips" on the entry to her jumps and
>wondered if anyone else has experience this and what she can do to avoid
>this.  Maybe too, we can highlight what we have found to be differences and
>similiarities between ice skates and pic skates, and roller skates and pic
>skates?
>
>Marion
>
>
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>
>
>Happy Skating!
>
Jo Ann Schneider Farris
e-mail: jfarris@...
Phone: (719) 632-4098
Visit the CC SKATING HOME PAGE at:
http://rikki.ColoradoCollege.edu/~jfarris
or the new HONNEN ICE RINK WEB SITE at:
http://www.ColoradoCollege.edu/athletics/skating

Question:
I was talking to someone on the phone today, who is training on the pic
skate and she used to skate as a child on the ice.  She mentioned that from
time to time she just accidently "slips" on the entry to her jumps and
wondered if anyone else has experience this and what she can do to avoid
this.  Maybe too, we can highlight what we have found to be differences and
similiarities between ice skates and pic skates, and roller skates and pic
skates?

Marion