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Re: [IDPA] Re: Use of cover question

Ok that helps, I don't think that the shooter
should be forced to be right up on the cover.
Just as long as they are using it correctly.

One thing to think about though if you are 10
yards from the cover and you are shooting at a
threat that is 3 yards from the same
cover.....who really has the cover advantage?

Michael "Iron Mike" Webb


--- Jeff <jljjreed@...> wrote:

> --- In IDPA@yahoogroups.com, "Michael \"Iron
> Mike\" Webb"
> <texastactical@...> wrote:
> >
> > Here is another quote from the rulebook that
> I
> > think may apply to your question.
> >
> > Competition rule #1
> > "C 1. Competitors will not attempt to
> circumvent
> > or compromise the spirit or rationale of any
> > stage either by the use of inappropriate
> devices,
> > equipment or techniques. This is the Failure
> To
> > Do Right rule."
> >
> > If I'm on the wrong track just let me know.
> :)
> >
> > Michael "Iron Mike" Webb
> >
> I understand and agree that to find "loopholes"
> in what the designer
> intended wouldn't be in the "spirit".
>
> My main question (not clearly stated earlier)
> is: Would an SO be
> right to call you (even penalize you) for a
> cover violation when the
> cover you are using is a great distance away
> from the shooter? In my
> thinking, as long as you are leaning and
> slicing the pie (complying
> with 100% lower body and 50% upper), and the
> majority of your body is
> on the "cover" side of a line drawn from the
> target center mass to a
> point on/near your firing shoulder you should
> be "covered". In my
> case an SO said he'd penalize a shooter for
> that as the shooter broke
> cover when leaving P1 (behind B1). He said B2
> has nothing to do with
> it until you advance up to it.
>
> As no one shot it that way (probably because of
> the statements made),
> this is a theoretical discussion. I do think
> the principles involved
> though are important as these "distant cover"
> situations will crop up
> from time to time.
>
>
>
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Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:09 am

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When is cover not cover? Or is it always cover? This came up on a recent Cof: Set up: Two barrels stacked are "Barrel 1" (consider as hard cover) at the 10...
Jeff
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Nov 10, 2007
11:20 pm

... There is no general requirement that you have to be close to your cover. We had a stage today with a somewhat similar setup; start shooting T1 & T2 on the...
Jim Watson
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Nov 11, 2007
12:45 am

Without seeing or reading the COF or hearing the walk through it is very hard to give an answer. Here is what I will quote from the rulebook. "The main goal is...
Michael "Iron Mike" W...
texastactical
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Nov 11, 2007
12:59 am

Here is another quote from the rulebook that I think may apply to your question. Competition rule #1 "C 1. Competitors will not attempt to circumvent or...
Michael "Iron Mike" W...
texastactical
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Nov 11, 2007
1:03 am

... I understand and agree that to find "loopholes" in what the designer intended wouldn't be in the "spirit". My main question (not clearly stated earlier)...
Jeff
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Nov 11, 2007
1:28 am

Ok that helps, I don't think that the shooter should be forced to be right up on the cover. Just as long as they are using it correctly. One thing to think...
Michael "Iron Mike" W...
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Nov 11, 2007
2:09 am

... You do, definitely! The farther you are from cover, the less of yourself you're exposing, generally speaking. About the only time when it would be good...
Todd Louis Green
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Nov 11, 2007
1:03 pm

... Todd, I disagree that farther is better. Consider the following example to show why. Take two guys squared off using one piece of cover between them....
Protect Freedom
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Nov 13, 2007
3:40 am

Ken -- true, if both people are using one item for cover there is a disadvantage if you are very far from it. But even then, the person close to cover needs...
Todd Louis Green
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Nov 13, 2007
4:06 am

... Todd, An interesting point about exposing more of himself if close to cover. But geometry does not agree. Take a contrived example. Two players 26 yards...
Protect Freedom
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Nov 13, 2007
3:11 pm

Ken -- Your example is a good one but has one critical flaw. The second player is now completely exposed because the angles have changed. By taking the...
Todd Louis Green
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Nov 13, 2007
3:24 pm

... use ... 1yd ... I ... all ... ... and ... think ... more ... it ... multiple ... the ... better ... Todd, I now understand your point. Unfortunately not...
Protect Freedom
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Nov 13, 2007
4:25 pm

I have attached a CoF that we shot this weekend that has this same problem. If you can not view the attachment I have also uploaded in the photo section under...
xdcdpshooter
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Nov 13, 2007
7:24 pm

I'd say the way you shot it was more tactically sound, and also probably about as fast as shooting the targets closer but adding more movement. However, not to...
Todd Louis Green
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Nov 13, 2007
7:33 pm

Yes I did crowd the last position due to not having as much room to come is from an angle. But thats where I get back to the CoF would always define how close...
xdcdpshooter
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Nov 13, 2007
7:46 pm

All else being equal, staying farther from cover (assuming you're still protected) and staying farther from the threat are both good, rational, "tactical"...
Todd Louis Green
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Nov 11, 2007
4:44 pm

The SO wants me to know what the rationale of a stage is, he should tell me. This is a shooting match, not a guessing game. If I can just see the Zero of a...
Jim Watson
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Nov 11, 2007
1:24 am

Why should the CoF be prescriptive about how far away from cover you get? There have been several usable approaches described here already. Let the shooter...
Jim Watson
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Nov 13, 2007
7:57 pm

Jim, Im sorry that was not how I meant for to sound. What I meant was if the CoF should guide you the shooter on how to shoot the course. Not that we should...
xdcdpshooter
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Nov 13, 2007
8:30 pm

well as a general "Larry" Rule If the COF description is incomplete and the SO doesnt catch it before the shooting starts or on the first shooter..... Benifit...
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