I have run stages like that also with charging targets. I was
at a match once where there were two targets charging the
shooter from about 8 yards. A couple of shooters never
got off even one shot. Many of the shooters were only
able to fire one or two shots at the first target. Only a very
few were able to fire two at both.



Originally posted by John Warsaw:
"Many people now think the number should be ten yards."

Unfortunately, I also hear many people say things like,
"Remember the 21 foot rule. A knife attacker has to be
at 7 yards before he is considered safe."

That is not what the Tueller drill showed.



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----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin_Schlier
To: IDPA@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [IDPA] Knife vs Gun


We have done chargers that run at and then overrun the shooter if he
doesn't move. Generally a popular stage.

The paintball idea sounds good until you consider safety issues. IDPA
particpants may very greatly in regards to gun handling skill, many of
whom have not handled their weapons while being struck with objects or
other wise destracted. In addition, you cannot expect even the most
experienced of SOs to be able to anticipate what a shooter might do when
under these conditions particlarly when the SO also has to contend with
incoming distractions. Simulating realistic incoming fire has a lot of
cool factor going for it but if it's realistic enough it probably isn't
safe. Simulating live fire is probably best left for force on force
training as opposed to competition.
Kevin

Gary Jones, JR. wrote:
> I read somewhere that idpa targets that fire paintballs back at the
> shooter are in the works.
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> On 10/4/06, Scott Toland <scott@...> wrote:
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>>It wasn't a fair fight!
>>
>>The guy with the knife had it hidden behind his back. Give the officer her
>>gun behind her back and see how it works out.
>>
>>And yes, the officer should evade and use cover if available while drawing
>>and fire from a "retention" position. From the hip as it were. It wouldn't
>>hurt to shield her head with her left arm too.
>>
>>So when do we get to see IDPA targets that run at us with knives? So many
>>ideas left unexplored.
>>
>>Scotty
>>www.gunownershipisnotacrime.org
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>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Warsaw" <johnwarsaw@...>
>>To: <IDPA@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:53 AM
>>Subject: Re: [IDPA] Knife vs Gun
>>
>>
>>
>>>Ray, I agree with your concerns about shooting at ten yards. I think the
>>>point of the video (and the drill) is that a person who starts a knife
>>>attack within ten (or whatever) yards will succeed before you can respond
>>>with a holstered gun, especially from concealment. Even if you get off a
>>>fatal shot, you may still be killed by a dead man. Moving off the line of
>>>attack increases your chance of going home at the end of the day.
>>>Standing
>>>still, assuming a perfect stance, or relying on a traditional sight
>>>picture,
>>>will all decrease your chance of going home at the end of the day.
>>>Relying
>>>on an intermediate distance weapon (handgun) against a contact weapon
>>>(knife
>>>or club) at contact distances may not turn out too well.
>>>
>>>A handgun is not the solution to every problem. Often its not the best
>>>solution. Sometimes, such as at contact distances, it isn't a solution
>>>at
>>>all.
>>>
>>>John W in SC
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ray Crum" <raycrum@...>
>>>To: <IDPA@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:48 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [IDPA] Knife vs Gun
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>As a civilian, I have to consider both survival and legal
>>>>consequences. I doubt I would shoot at 10 yards. I would shoot at 5
>>>>without hesitation. If the attacker was closing the distance, 10, with
>>>>the expectation the newly deceased would come to rest at 5.
>>>>
>>>>Ray
>>>>
>>>>
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