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Re: [IDPA] Reloading? - maybe - Advice Requested

> I am considering getting into reloading as a hobby. Handgun
calibers
> only, primarily 45acp, maybe .357/.38.
>
> My current research has shown that this is not necessarily
something
> to pursue to only save money, but to allow one to shoot MORE!
>
> I am wanting advice on a beginning set-up. Brands, suppliers,
etc. I
> have found a wealth of information @ The High Road Forum, but
imagine
> that many folks on this list reload to support a shooting
habit and
> probably know what really works. So, hopefully, you can steer
me away
> from newbie mistakes!

> - John Maldaner

The price of a Lyman handloading manual and maybe a video from
Dillon (The video instruction manual for the 550B is only $5.95)
would be well worth it.
Look under "books" and "videos and DVDs" on their product list
at:
http://dillonprecision.com/default.cfm

IDPA match and practice pistol ammo calls for a progressive
loader unless you have a LOT of spare time and are easily
amused.

I won't get into the "learn on a single stage" vs "jump in at
the deep end with a progressive" debate except to say that I
know people who started out with a progressive with little
trouble. The ones with the LEAST trouble took advantage of the
fact that it is possible to run one round at a time through a
Dillon machine so as to learn exactly what is going on at each
stage. Some had it figured out in a box, some in a case, but it
was a good way to break in before going at full capacity and
speed.

I have no experience with any current production progressive but
Dillon. Lee, Hornady, and RCBS users may chime in.

I have loaded ammo on all Dillon progressives except the 650
(and gave it a lot of study before going all the way to 1050.)

**I recommend the 550B.**
It uses standard dies (unlike SDB), is mechanically simpler than
650 or 1050 and is much less expensive than 1050.

You can get all sorts of shopping lists for other equipment, so
I will just mention three items.

1. You MUST have a powder scale, to set a measure by. For
pistol ammo you will likely use it only for that and an
occasional check weight. A balance beam scale will do that
nicely and save money vs a digital.

2. Dillon dies are made to suit their loaders but there are
some special needs.
If you load .45 ACP with cast bullets, you NEED a Lee Carbide
Factory Crimp Die. If you use mixed brass you need one a LOT.
Substitute it for the plain taper crimp die. I have one on my
1050 which is used strictly for .45 ACP SWC.
If you load .45 ACP with jacketed or plated bullets, you NEED
the undersize sizing die made by Lee and available either direct
from them or from EGW. I have one on my 550 which I use for
loading .45 ACP JHP and FMJ so I don't have to change settings
on the big machine. The regular taper crimp is ok for jacketed.

You can use almost any other make of die in a 550, the 7/8 x 14
thread was standardized by the old Pacific company long ago.
The inexpensive Lee dies will work but I replaced their O-ring
lock rings with narrower nuts for access. I'm going to buy some
of the newest 1" lockrings from Dillon to make changes and
adjustments easier to get at.

3. If you load .45 ACP in commercial or military match brass,
you are ok with the basic setup. If you use GI brass or mixed
brass containing some, you will have to remove the primer pocket
crimp. Dillon makes a device to swage it out, Lyman makes a
reamer to cut it out for less money.

You will also have to inspect mixed .45 brass for the latest
little gift to handloaders. Winchester and Federal NT
(Non-Toxic, "unleaded") ammo now has a SMALL primer instead of
the large primer of standard .45 ACP. There is not much choice
but to chuck it out. Winchester recommends not reloading it for
some reason. Probably because they don't want to go to the
trouble to work up load data for it, I know of no technical
reason not to. I am sure it can be done, but why bother unless
you have a large supply?

Brian Enos sells Dillon equipment at a discount.
http://www.brianenos.com/pages/home.html
There is a lot of discussion on reloading on his board, too.

Dillon has terrific customer support and will answer questions
and send out replacement parts cheap to free.

Jim w.




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I am considering getting into reloading as a hobby. Handgun calibers only, primarily 45acp, maybe .357/.38. My current research has shown that this is not...
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... calibers ... something ... etc. I ... imagine ... habit and ... me away ... The price of a Lyman handloading manual and maybe a video from Dillon (The...
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... Good posting and I will add a bit more to it in a day or two. But, last weekend I was talking to a buddy who is a commercial reloaded and he says that the...
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... dies are made to suit their loaders but ... Hi Jim, I have a Square Deal and load a lot of .45 ACP in 200 gr SWC with a variety of different brass. I know...
Cyrano Jones
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Feb 8, 2004
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... The Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die sizes the loaded round a bit. It is not as tight as a regular carbide sizing die, but it takes the whole round down if...
Jim Watson
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Jim, Thanks for the clarification. I have had good luck with the SD and the Dillon dies. Got it around 1988, and reloaded 9mm for a SW 669 for a few years....
Cyrano Jones
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... reloaded and ... says to go ahead ... anything about ... the latest ... They haven't put it on their website, which says today: "The unique characteristics...
Jim Watson
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I agree with all that Jim says. The difference is that I use a Hornady LNL AP and nothing but Hornady dies. I just think that the Hornady is a 650 at the...
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Feb 8, 2004
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... of ... brass ... John - AMERC is definitely junk. S&B acts like it's got a crimp, but it's just sealant plus a tight primer pocket. ... Amen to that! ...
Chuck Edwards
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Feb 8, 2004
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What's a good brand/model of reloader for pistol AND rifle ammo? Frank...
Zephyr Stormrider
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... I will have to check with him to make sure of what he was saying. But, I am sure that he said he had been told or that he had read that it was now ...
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... Jim, So far I have been unable to find the web page with the info that you have. Could you possibly post it? I talked to the commercial reloader this ...
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Hey, John, ... I am not familiar with a Hornady crimp die. I have various brands of plain roll and taper crimp, and the Lee Carbide Factory Crimp, which...
Jim Watson
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Jim, It doesn't do anything any different or better than a Lee. It is just a little shorter and works well in the LNL AP. The AP has a bar that ejects the...
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Frank - I don't shoot much rifle. I use my old RCBS single stage press for that. Regards, Chuck ... From: Zephyr Stormrider <zephyr@...> To:...
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Feb 9, 2004
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Frank, IMO, you can't do better than a Dillon 550. I wish I had gotten one 30 years sooner than I did. You can load just about anything on it, except .50...
Lin Edwards
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Lin, it seems many people agree with what you said! I went to my local gun shop today to discuss this. They have Lee products on the shelf. I told my buddy ...
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On the topic of reloading, I just purchased a .357 revolver, my first wheelgun. I am hoping to shoot it in IDPA SSR division. However, I can't possibly pump...
Bill Thompson
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Feb 9, 2004
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Bill You are going to have to keep talking. You are leaving something out. Lets start with bullet weight. It sounds like you started at the low end with...
Burton L. Smith
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My mistake. In a previous trip to the web, maybe too late at night, I got the idea that I had to make 165,000 for SSR. I then spent an hour or so looking up...
Bill Thompson
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Feb 10, 2004
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Bill - If you want to shoot factory .38 Special, it'll have to be 158 grain +P lead bullet stuff. None of the other versions make the power factor....
Chuck Edwards
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Feb 10, 2004
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I took a look at the 38 Spec section in the Lyman Pistol and Revolver Reloading Manual and it would not be hard for a reloader to meet the 125 PF using 125...
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I hate to answer my own question, but I did find a Winchester load that is 38 spec and not listed as +P. It is the 150 gn lead bullet pushed at 845 muzzle...
Bill Thompson
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Feb 11, 2004
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Bill - If you get to try some, make sure you take a friend along who has a chronograph. Factory listed velocities tend to be, ah, optimistic. 8-) Regards, ...
Chuck Edwards
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Feb 11, 2004
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Factory listed velocities tend to be, ah, ... That statement is correct. The cowboy loads in 357 brass will be more difficult to load/eject than 38 brass. ...
Tom King
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Feb 12, 2004
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Bill, Like everyone else has told you, you can do fine with .38 +P ammo. The only advantage to .357 Cowboy loads is in cleaning. If the price is right (our ...
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Actually, I may have found the answer to my own question! (Ain't the Internet great?) I found several manufacturers listing "cowboy" loads for .357 magnum...
Bill Thompson
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Feb 9, 2004
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... the Internet great?) ... that push a 158 gn bullet at 800 fps. That makes power factor, right? Any reason why I wouldn't want to shoot these cowboy loads...
Kent
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Feb 11, 2004
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... my first wheelgun. I am hoping to shoot it in IDPA SSR division. However, I can't possibly pump up .38 rounds enough to make power factor, so I assume I...
Jim Watson
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Feb 9, 2004
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Try Georgia Arms. I'm not sure what they make for the 38/357 but they are IDPA shooters themselves. Call them and ask fro recommendations. 1-800-624-6861 ...
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