Yup,

 

Me,F-bomb,Rose.Seth,crissy,Woodson,and M

 

You????

 

Go K-dub!!!! and RV!!!!!

 

T

 

----- Original Message -----

From: John Bowman

To: Troy Weber ; hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Hydrofoil] Lance Reinsma email me...Thanks

You coming to Indy this weekend for the Supercross.

John

Troy Weber <weber7863@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: John Bowman

To: Troy Weber ; hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Hydrofoil] Lance Reinsma email me...Thanks

You coming to Indy this weekend for the Supercross.

John

Troy Weber <weber7863@...> wrote:

 

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  -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Sheena Woodman <skiskybabe@...>
>   24.....Happy Birthday Old Man!
>     Love ya.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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I'm curious what your warranty policy will be.


  -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "mean77dean" <mean77dean@...>
> Randy
>      I am somewhat familiar with the Captain's Seat.  we do not plan
> to do a seat untill we have the t-bar and wings dialed in for both
> beginer-intermediate & intermediate-advanced riders.  I wish we could
> give an exact time frame as to when our wings and t-bar will be
> finished but may is our goal, it takes time to get rider feedback and
> then incorperate that feedback into our product.  We will be sending
> out another front wing for more testing next week.  Also I do not wish
> to copy anyones Ideas and would prefere that anything sold under
> the "hydroformance" label be our ideas and not someone elses.
>
> dean bare
> www.hydroformance.com
> ___________________________________________ ____________________________
> Dean,
>
> Are you familiar with the Captian's Seat that was made a few years ago
> by a guy in FL?  I'm thinking there is a market for the seat to compete
> with the EVO in the less than $500 price range.  I am trying to hunt
> down the CAD drawings for it.  The guy seems to have dropped out of
> sight.  Can you reverse engineer a seat tower (not sure thats the right
> lingo) or how would one go about getting set up to machine the parts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Randy
>
>
>

Showroom Cond , low hrs , 345 Moonsoon , Heater, KICKIN System , 2
amps , 12 in sub, 4 Wetsound tower speakers, Extra clean , like new ,
custom trailer , power wedge , malibus perfect pass , Titan III tower
with board racks , bimini top , custom cover ( still in box ) , boat
is loaded , getting a 2008 LSV . Always inside , tadum axle trailer .
Sharp boat . $54,000 OBO

http://goochygallery.com/Default.aspx?p ... jpg&page=4

List price was $68,000 without radio system .

Randy
      I am somewhat familiar with the Captain's Seat.  we do not plan
to do a seat untill we have the t-bar and wings dialed in for both
beginer-intermediate & intermediate-advanced riders.  I wish we could
give an exact time frame as to when our wings and t-bar will be
finished but may is our goal, it takes time to get rider feedback and
then incorperate that feedback into our product.  We will be sending
out another front wing for more testing next week.  Also I do not wish
to copy anyones Ideas and would prefere that anything sold under
the "hydroformance" label be our ideas and not someone elses.

dean bare
www.hydroformance.com
___________________________________________ ____________________________
Dean,

Are you familiar with the Captian's Seat that was made a few years ago
by a guy in FL?  I'm thinking there is a market for the seat to compete
with the EVO in the less than $500 price range.  I am trying to hunt
down the CAD drawings for it.  The guy seems to have dropped out of
sight.  Can you reverse engineer a seat tower (not sure thats the right
lingo) or how would one go about getting set up to machine the parts?

Thanks,

Randy

In Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com, Brett Erdmann <brett@...> wrote:

" Jim knows what he¹s talking about.
> He made a 2-piece Pro into a 7-piece Pro."
>
from dean
      "thats some funny stuff right there I dont care who you are"
(except jim woodman maybe).  but seriously though I really appreciate
everones support. We look forward to having fun this summer and
meeting lots of hydrofoilers.

dean bare
www.hydroformance.com

>
>
>
>
> On 2/21/08 1:19 PM, "Jim Woodson" <jwoodson@...> wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking the same thing. All I want is to be on the best
equipment
> > possible (for the least amount of money). The more players out
there, the more
> > stuff I get to ride. When it comes time to buy,
> > I can measure performance vs. cost and figure out which piece of
equipment is
> > the best fit for me. Dean can program and has his own CNC, so 2
middlemen are
> > taken out of the equation. Will his stuff ride as well as
existing equipment
> > for half the price, who knows? I wish him well and hope he
succeeds :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From:  Steve Lingo <mailto:steve@...>
> >>
> >> To: 'Hydrofoil Group' <mailto:hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com>
> >>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:15  PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price  foils.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Perhaps it just me, but I¹m sittin¹ here  thinkin¹ ³who cares
how long the
> >> lower pricing lasts?²   Offering lower prices during a product
launch, even
> >> if unsustainable  over time, generates awareness, stimulates
demand, and gets
> >> the new product on  the street (or in the lake, as the case
might be).  It¹s
> >> Marketing 101, especially if  you¹re an underdog entering a
market dominated
> >> by only a few big  players.  No?  How else to you get people  to
look away
> >> from what¹s tested and proven and try something different,
unless  there¹s a
> >> big incentive to do so?
> >>
> >>
> >> Perhaps it¹ll end up being a short-lived  fantasy, but ya gotta
applaud the
> >> man for trying! J
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From:  Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com]  On
> >> Behalf Of todd  spitz
> >> Sent: Wednesday,  February 20, 2008 9:26 PM
> >> To:  Robert Grogan; genoyauchler@...; mean77dean@...;
> >> hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: RE: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price  foils.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> late  nite, too many adult beverages
> >>
> >> Robert Grogan  <robgrogan@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Scary huh?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> To: mean77dean@...;  Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
> >>> From: genoyauchler@...
> >>> Date:  Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:29:33 -0500
> >>> Subject: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price  foils.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Half the price. I wonder what the  longevity of that pricing
will be. It
> >>> costs a ton to buy product, it  takes too long to tune a foil,
you have to
> >>> test ride them to be sure they  are spot on, and even it they
are, they may
> >>> ride differently than the way  they rode during testing, so you
may have to
> >>> send out a new one, then if  that doesn't work you have a
refund issue, and
> >>> then there is the warranty  issues, the ROI, or return on
investment. Sounds
> >>> like you are going to do  them for cost. How long is that going
to last? I
> >>> wasn't going to say  anything, but I know from making my foil
what the costs
> >>> are, and if you can  make the foil ride as good as a G-38 or LE-
38 for half,
> >>> well you are the  man. More like miricle worker!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I wish you well.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Geno
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> =====================================================
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 2/19/2008 2:54:48  PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> mean77dean@...  writes:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Charles
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      I am not at  all mad about being fired (at first I was
not happy about
> >>>> it, I learned a  long time ago to forgive and to move on),  I
did however
> >>>> love my job.  I should have just said that I am no longer with
sky ski (I
> >>>> am a better  machinist than a writer).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      Our test  riders are anyone that we can get to ride our
equipment or
> >>>> whoever  volenteers.  Thanks again to all those that have
shown interest, I
> >>>> hope to give all those that are willing a chance to ride our
equipment and
> >>>> use their input to refine our products, but please keep in
mind that we
> >>>> are trying to have our foil assembly ready for sale by this
summer.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      I am a sole  proprieter, but have one other person
involved.  We are
> >>>> trying to  build a product line that will satisfy the needs of
all levels
> >>>> of riders,  whith pricing that is appriciably less than what
other products
> >>>> are going  for now, and quality and features comparable to
current high end
> >>>> products.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      I would  like to add that we are very excited to have the
oppertunity
> >>>> to use riders  feedback to build the products that others want
at a price
> >>>> they  will be happy about.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> dean  bare
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> www.hydroformance.com <http://www.hydroformance.com/>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Charles W. Koch"  <cwkoch@...>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HmmmŠŠYou sound a little mad about  being fired from Sky SkiŠ
> >>>>> curiousŠ..Why is that you were  fired??
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Who are the test riders??  Do  you have any partners in this
venture?? Are
> >>>>> you incorporated or a sole  proprietor??
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Charlie  Koch
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LPG & NH3 Supply,  Inc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1200 1st St NE
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Buffalo, MN  55313
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 800-328-0314
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> www.lpgandnh3.com <http://www.lpgandnh3.com/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From:  Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com]  On
> >>> Behalf Of dean  Bare
> >>> Sent: Friday, February  15, 2008 5:08 PM
> >>> To:  hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: [Hydrofoil] Re: Hydrofoil rack  for Malibu Illusion
tower
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am a  machinist/designer/programer, I have been Sky Ski's
machinist since
> >>> they moved to redding about 4 years ago. After being fired from
there about
> >>> a year ago I purchased my own cnc machine center in hopes of
being able to
> >>> do something for hydrofoiling that has not been done "make a
hydrofoil
> >>> compareble to the "LE" at half the price".  I have the
complete  hydrofoil
> >>> assembly designed and after calculating all my cost I will be
able  to make
> >>> a complete foil assembly for half the price.  I do not want
pictures of our
> >>> products untill some realworld testing is done and I really
don't care to
> >>> give my ideas away, so i want to make sure that I have made
enough of
> >>> certain things so that they will be known to be mine so as not
to  have to
> >>> worry about patent issues ( i do not want to invest in patents
{in my
> >>> opinion this has really s lowed the progresion of the sport,
that money
> >>> should be spent on improving or promoting the sport).  patents
are  great
> >>> for the patent holder not so good for the consumer.  This is
not  to imply
> >>> that the big name company's are overly priced I think they
charge a fair
> >>> price for there products.  It is the way a company is run  and
that products
> >>> are designed and manufactured that will bring the cost of
hydrofoiling
> >>> down. yes our website is still in the works, personally i  like
really
> >>> simple things and hope to keep our website that way obviously
we  need to
> >>> put products on our site but my oppinion on how well something
rides  does
> >>> not mean squat to hydrofoilers, so I am waiting for feedback
from our  front
> >>> wing before putting pictures and words on our site. here are
some  early
> >>> specs for ya though
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> same size wing as sky ski "bat wing" or  "max air" wing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> shape is the result of much fea and  flow analasys
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> material is 7075-T6  aluminum
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 5/16 thick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> cost less than $400 full  retail
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest  eaters. Watch the video
on AOL
> >>> Living.
> >>> <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-
eater/rachel-campos-du
> >>> ffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
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Jim knows what he’s talking about.
He made a 2-piece Pro into a 7-piece Pro.


--
Brett Erdmann
Midwest Hydrofoil
www.midwesthydrofoil.com
brett@...
(414) 405.6756





On 2/21/08 1:19 PM, "Jim Woodson" <jwoodson@...> wrote:

I'm thinking the same thing. All I want is to be on the best equipment possible (for the least amount of money). The more players out there, the more stuff I get to ride. When it comes time to buy,
I can measure performance vs. cost and figure out which piece of equipment is the best fit for me. Dean can program and has his own CNC, so 2 middlemen are taken out of the equation. Will his stuff ride as well as existing equipment for half the price, who knows? I wish him well and hope he succeeds :-)



----- Original Message -----

From:  Steve Lingo <mailto:steve@...>  
 
To: 'Hydrofoil Group' <mailto:hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com>  
 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:15  PM
 
Subject: RE: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price  foils.
 

 
 

 
 

Perhaps it just me, but I’m sittin’ here  thinkin’ “who cares how long the lower pricing lasts?”   Offering lower prices during a product launch, even if unsustainable  over time, generates awareness, stimulates demand, and gets the new product on  the street (or in the lake, as the case might be).  It’s  Marketing 101, especially if  you’re an underdog entering a market dominated by only a few big  players.  No?  How else to you get people  to look away from what’s tested and proven and try something different, unless  there’s a big incentive to do so?

 
Perhaps it’ll end up being a short-lived  fantasy, but ya gotta applaud the man for trying! J

 
Steve

 

 
 
 
 

From:  Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com]  On Behalf Of todd  spitz
Sent: Wednesday,  February 20, 2008 9:26 PM
To:  Robert Grogan; genoyauchler@...; mean77dean@...;  hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price  foils.

 
 
 
 

late  nite, too many adult beverages

Robert Grogan  <robgrogan@...> wrote:  

 
 

Scary huh?

---

To: mean77dean@...;  Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
From: genoyauchler@...
Date:  Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:29:33 -0500
Subject: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price  foils.

 
 
 
 

Half the price. I wonder what the  longevity of that pricing will be. It costs a ton to buy product, it  takes too long to tune a foil, you have to test ride them to be sure they  are spot on, and even it they are, they may ride differently than the way  they rode during testing, so you may have to send out a new one, then if  that doesn't work you have a refund issue, and then there is the warranty  issues, the ROI, or return on investment. Sounds like you are going to do  them for cost. How long is that going to last? I wasn't going to say  anything, but I know from making my foil what the costs are, and if you can  make the foil ride as good as a G-38 or LE-38 for half, well you are the  man. More like miricle worker!

 

I wish you well.  

 

 
 

Geno

 

=====================================================

 

In a message dated 2/19/2008 2:54:48  PM Eastern Standard Time, mean77dean@...  writes:

 

Charles

 

    I am not at  all mad about being fired (at first I was not happy about it, I learned a  long time ago to forgive and to move on),  I did however love my job.  I should have just said that I am no longer with sky ski (I am a better  machinist than a writer).

 

    Our test  riders are anyone that we can get to ride our equipment or whoever  volenteers.  Thanks again to all those that have shown interest, I  hope to give all those that are willing a chance to ride our equipment and  use their input to refine our products, but please keep in mind that we  are trying to have our foil assembly ready for sale by this summer.   

 

    I am a sole  proprieter, but have one other person involved.  We are trying to  build a product line that will satisfy the needs of all levels of riders,  whith pricing that is appriciably less than what other products are going  for now, and quality and features comparable to current high end  products.

 

    I would  like to add that we are very excited to have the oppertunity to use riders  feedback to build the products that others want at a price they  will be happy about.

 

 
 

dean  bare

 

www.hydroformance.com <http://www.hydroformance.com/>

"Charles W. Koch"  <cwkoch@...>  wrote:

 
 

Hmmm……You sound a little mad about  being fired from Sky Ski…   curious…..Why is that you were  fired??

 

 
 

Who are the test riders??  Do  you have any partners in this venture?? Are you incorporated or a sole  proprietor??

 

 
 

Thanks,

 

 
 

Charlie  Koch

 

LPG & NH3 Supply,  Inc.

 

1200 1st St NE

 

Buffalo, MN  55313

 

800-328-0314

 

www.lpgandnh3.com <http://www.lpgandnh3.com/>

 

 
 
 

From:  Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com]  On Behalf Of dean  Bare
Sent: Friday, February  15, 2008 5:08 PM
To:  hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Hydrofoil] Re: Hydrofoil rack  for Malibu Illusion tower

 

 
 
 
 
 
 

I am a  machinist/designer/programer, I have been Sky Ski's machinist since  they moved to redding about 4 years ago. After being fired from there about  a year ago I purchased my own cnc machine center in hopes of being able to  do something for hydrofoiling that has not been done "make a hydrofoil  compareble to the "LE" at half the price".  I have the complete  hydrofoil assembly designed and after calculating all my cost I will be able  to make a complete foil assembly for half the price.  I do not want  pictures of our products untill some realworld testing is done and I really  don't care to give my ideas away, so i want to make sure that I have made  enough of certain things so that they will be known to be mine so as not to  have to worry about patent issues ( i do not want to invest in patents{in my  opinion this has really s lowed the progresion of the sport, that money  should be spent on improving or promoting the sport).  patents are  great for the patent holder not so good for the consumer.  This is not  to imply that the big name company's are overly priced I think they  charge a fair price for there products.  It is the way a company is run  and that products are designed and manufactured that will bring the cost of  hydrofoiling down. yes our website is still in the works, personally i  like really simple things and hope to keep our website that way obviously we  need to put products on our site but my oppinion on how well something rides  does not mean squat to hydrofoilers, so I am waiting for feedback from our  front wing before putting pictures and words on our site. here are some  early specs for ya though

 
 

 
 
 

same size wing as sky ski "bat wing" or  "max air" wing

 
 

shape is the result of much fea and  flow analasys

 
 

material is 7075-T6  aluminum

 
 

5/16 thick

 
 

cost less than $400 full  retail

 

 



 

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From: Steve Lingo

To: 'Hydrofoil Group'

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:15 PM

Subject: RE: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price foils.

Perhaps it just me, but I’m sittin’ here thinkin’ “who cares how long the lower pricing lasts?”  Offering lower prices during a product launch, even if unsustainable over time, generates awareness, stimulates demand, and gets the new product on the street (or in the lake, as the case might be).  It’s Marketing 101, especially if you’re an underdog entering a market dominated by only a few big players.  No?  How else to you get people to look away from what’s tested and proven and try something different, unless there’s a big incentive to do so?

Perhaps it’ll end up being a short-lived fantasy, but ya gotta applaud the man for trying! J

Steve

From: Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd spitz
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:26 PM
To: Robert Grogan; genoyauchler@aol.com; mean77dean@yahoo.com; hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price foils.

late nite, too many adult beverages

Robert Grogan <robgrogan@hotmail.com> wrote:

Scary huh?

---

To: mean77dean@yahoo.com; Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
From: genoyauchler@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:29:33 -0500
Subject: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price foils.

Half the price. I wonder what the longevity of that pricing will be. It costs a ton to buy product, it takes too long to tune a foil, you have to test ride them to be sure they are spot on, and even it they are, they may ride differently than the way they rode during testing, so you may have to send out a new one, then if that doesn't work you have a refund issue, and then there is the warranty issues, the ROI, or return on investment. Sounds like you are going to do them for cost. How long is that going to last? I wasn't going to say anything, but I know from making my foil what the costs are, and if you can make the foil ride as good as a G-38 or LE-38 for half, well you are the man. More like miricle worker!

I wish you well.

Geno

=====================================================

In a message dated 2/19/2008 2:54:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, mean77dean@yahoo.com writes:

Charles

     I am not at all mad about being fired (at first I was not happy about it, I learned a long time ago to forgive and to move on),  I did however love my job. I should have just said that I am no longer with sky ski (I am a better machinist than a writer).

     Our test riders are anyone that we can get to ride our equipment or whoever volenteers.  Thanks again to all those that have shown interest, I hope to give all those that are willing a chance to ride our equipment and use their input to refine our products, but please keep in mind that we are trying to have our foil assembly ready for sale by this summer. 

     I am a sole proprieter, but have one other person involved.  We are trying to build a product line that will satisfy the needs of all levels of riders, whith pricing that is appriciably less than what other products are going for now, and quality and features comparable to current high end products.

     I would like to add that we are very excited to have the oppertunity to use riders feedback to build the products that others want at a price they will be happy about.

dean bare

www.hydroformance.com

"Charles W. Koch" <cwkoch@lpgandnh3.com> wrote:

Hmmm……You sound a little mad about being fired from Sky Ski…   curious…..Why is that you were fired??

Who are the test riders??  Do you have any partners in this venture?? Are you incorporated or a sole proprietor??

Thanks,

Charlie Koch

LPG & NH3 Supply, Inc.

1200 1st St NE

Buffalo, MN 55313

800-328-0314

www.lpgandnh3.com

From: Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dean Bare
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:08 PM
To: hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Hydrofoil] Re: Hydrofoil rack for Malibu Illusion tower

I am a machinist/designer/programer, I have been Sky Ski's machinist since they moved to redding about 4 years ago. After being fired from there about a year ago I purchased my own cnc machine center in hopes of being able to do something for hydrofoiling that has not been done "make a hydrofoil compareble to the "LE" at half the price".  I have the complete hydrofoil assembly designed and after calculating all my cost I will be able to make a complete foil assembly for half the price.  I do not want pictures of our products untill some realworld testing is done and I really don't care to give my ideas away, so i want to make sure that I have made enough of certain things so that they will be known to be mine so as not to have to worry about patent issues ( i do not want to invest in patents{in my opinion this has really s lowed the progresion of the sport, that money should be spent on improving or promoting the sport).  patents are great for the patent holder not so good for the consumer.  This is not to imply that the big name company's are overly priced I think they charge a fair price for there products.  It is the way a company is run and that products are designed and manufactured that will bring the cost of hydrofoiling down. yes our website is still in the works, personally i like really simple things and hope to keep our website that way obviously we need to put products on our site but my oppinion on how well something rides does not mean squat to hydrofoilers, so I am waiting for feedback from our front wing before putting pictures and words on our site. here are some early specs for ya though

same size wing as sky ski "bat wing" or "max air" wing

shape is the result of much fea and flow analasys

material is 7075-T6 aluminum

5/16 thick

cost less than $400 full retail

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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:25:40 -0800
From: toxictodd08296@...
Subject: RE: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price foils.
To: robgrogan@...; genoyauchler@...; mean77dean@...; hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com

late nite, too many adult beverages

Robert Grogan <robgrogan@...> wrote:

Scary huh?

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To: mean77dean@yahoo.com; Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
From: genoyauchler@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:29:33 -0500
Subject: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price foils.

Half the price. I wonder what the longevity of that pricing will be. It costs a ton to buy product, it takes too long to tune a foil, you have to test ride them to be sure they are spot on, and even it they are, they may ride differently than the way they rode during testing, so you may have to send out a new one, then if that doesn't work you have a refund issue, and then there is the warranty issues, the ROI, or return on investment. Sounds like you are going to do them for cost. How long is that going to last? I wasn't going to say anything, but I know from making my foil what the costs are, and if you can make the foil ride as good as a G-38 or LE-38 for half, well you are the man. More like miricle worker!

I wish you well.

 

Geno

=====================================================

In a message dated 2/19/2008 2:54:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, mean77dean@yahoo.com writes:

Charles

     I am not at all mad about being fired (at first I was not happy about it, I learned a long time ago to forgive and to move on),  I did however love my job. I should have just said that I am no longer with sky ski (I am a better machinist than a writer).

     Our test riders are anyone that we can get to ride our equipment or whoever volenteers.  Thanks again to all those that have shown interest, I hope to give all those that are willing a chance to ride our equipment and use their input to refine our products, but please keep in mind that we are trying to have our foil assembly ready for sale by this summer. 

     I am a sole proprieter, but have one other person involved.  We are trying to build a product line that will satisfy the needs of all levels of riders, whith pricing that is appriciably less than what other products are going for now, and quality and features comparable to current high end products.

     I would like to add that we are very excited to have the oppertunity to use riders feedback to build the products that others want at a price they will be happy about.

 

dean bare

www.hydroformance.com

"Charles W. Koch" <cwkoch@lpgandnh3.com> wrote:

Hmmm……You sound a little mad about being fired from Sky Ski…   curious…..Why is that you were fired??

 

Who are the test riders??  Do you have any partners in this venture?? Are you incorporated or a sole proprietor??

 

Thanks,

 

Charlie Koch

LPG & NH3 Supply, Inc.

1200 1st St NE

Buffalo, MN 55313

800-328-0314

www.lpgandnh3.com

 

From: Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dean Bare
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:08 PM
To: hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Hydrofoil] Re: Hydrofoil rack for Malibu Illusion tower

 

I am a machinist/designer/programer, I have been Sky Ski's machinist since they moved to redding about 4 years ago. After being fired from there about a year ago I purchased my own cnc machine center in hopes of being able to do something for hydrofoiling that has not been done "make a hydrofoil compareble to the "LE" at half the price".  I have the complete hydrofoil assembly designed and after calculating all my cost I will be able to make a complete foil assembly for half the price.  I do not want pictures of our products untill some realworld testing is done and I really don't care to give my ideas away, so i want to make sure that I have made enough of certain things so that they will be known to be mine so as not to have to worry about patent issues ( i do not want to invest in patents{in my opinion this has really s lowed the progresion of the sport, that money should be spent on improving or promoting the sport).  patents are great for the patent holder not so good for the consumer.  This is not to imply that the big name company's are overly priced I think they charge a fair price for there products.  It is the way a company is run and that products are designed and manufactured that will bring the cost of hydrofoiling down. yes our website is still in the works, personally i like really simple things and hope to keep our website that way obviously we need to put products on our site but my oppinion on how well something rides does not mean squat to hydrofoilers, so I am waiting for feedback from our front wing before putting pictures and words on our site. here are some early specs for ya though

 

same size wing as sky ski "bat wing" or "max air" wing

shape is the result of much fea and flow analasys

material is 7075-T6 aluminum

5/16 thick

cost less than $400 full retail

 

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Scary huh?

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To: mean77dean@yahoo.com; Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
From: genoyauchler@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:29:33 -0500
Subject: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price foils.

Half the price. I wonder what the longevity of that pricing will be. It costs a ton to buy product, it takes too long to tune a foil, you have to test ride them to be sure they are spot on, and even it they are, they may ride differently than the way they rode during testing, so you may have to send out a new one, then if that doesn't work you have a refund issue, and then there is the warranty issues, the ROI, or return on investment. Sounds like you are going to do them for cost. How long is that going to last? I wasn't going to say anything, but I know from making my foil what the costs are, and if you can make the foil ride as good as a G-38 or LE-38 for half, well you are the man. More like miricle worker!

I wish you well.

 

Geno

=====================================================

In a message dated 2/19/2008 2:54:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, mean77dean@yahoo.com writes:

Charles

     I am not at all mad about being fired (at first I was not happy about it, I learned a long time ago to forgive and to move on),  I did however love my job. I should have just said that I am no longer with sky ski (I am a better machinist than a writer).

     Our test riders are anyone that we can get to ride our equipment or whoever volenteers.  Thanks again to all those that have shown interest, I hope to give all those that are willing a chance to ride our equipment and use their input to refine our products, but please keep in mind that we are trying to have our foil assembly ready for sale by this summer. 

     I am a sole proprieter, but have one other person involved.  We are trying to build a product line that will satisfy the needs of all levels of riders, whith pricing that is appriciably less than what other products are going for now, and quality and features comparable to current high end products.

     I would like to add that we are very excited to have the oppertunity to use riders feedback to build the products that others want at a price they will be happy about.

 

dean bare

www.hydroformance.com

"Charles W. Koch" <cwkoch@lpgandnh3.com> wrote:

Hmmm……You sound a little mad about being fired from Sky Ski…   curious…..Why is that you were fired??

 

Who are the test riders??  Do you have any partners in this venture?? Are you incorporated or a sole proprietor??

 

Thanks,

 

Charlie Koch

LPG & NH3 Supply, Inc.

1200 1st St NE

Buffalo, MN 55313

800-328-0314

www.lpgandnh3.com

 

From: Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dean Bare
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:08 PM
To: hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Hydrofoil] Re: Hydrofoil rack for Malibu Illusion tower

 

I am a machinist/designer/programer, I have been Sky Ski's machinist since they moved to redding about 4 years ago. After being fired from there about a year ago I purchased my own cnc machine center in hopes of being able to do something for hydrofoiling that has not been done "make a hydrofoil compareble to the "LE" at half the price".  I have the complete hydrofoil assembly designed and after calculating all my cost I will be able to make a complete foil assembly for half the price.  I do not want pictures of our products untill some realworld testing is done and I really don't care to give my ideas away, so i want to make sure that I have made enough of certain things so that they will be known to be mine so as not to have to worry about patent issues ( i do not want to invest in patents{in my opinion this has really s lowed the progresion of the sport, that money should be spent on improving or promoting the sport).  patents are great for the patent holder not so good for the consumer.  This is not to imply that the big name company's are overly priced I think they charge a fair price for there products.  It is the way a company is run and that products are designed and manufactured that will bring the cost of hydrofoiling down. yes our website is still in the works, personally i like really simple things and hope to keep our website that way obviously we need to put products on our site but my oppinion on how well something rides does not mean squat to hydrofoilers, so I am waiting for feedback from our front wing before putting pictures and words on our site. here are some early specs for ya though

 

same size wing as sky ski "bat wing" or "max air" wing

shape is the result of much fea and flow analasys

material is 7075-T6 aluminum

5/16 thick

cost less than $400 full retail

 

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To: mean77dean@...; Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
From: genoyauchler@...
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:29:33 -0500
Subject: [Hydrofoil] 1/2 price foils.

Half the price. I wonder what the longevity of that pricing will be. It costs a ton to buy product, it takes too long to tune a foil, you have to test ride them to be sure they are spot on, and even it they are, they may ride differently than the way they rode during testing, so you may have to send out a new one, then if that doesn't work you have a refund issue, and then there is the warranty issues, the ROI, or return on investment. Sounds like you are going to do them for cost. How long is that going to last? I wasn't going to say anything, but I know from making my foil what the costs are, and if you can make the foil ride as good as a G-38 or LE-38 for half, well you are the man. More like miricle worker!

I wish you well.

 

Geno

=====================================================

In a message dated 2/19/2008 2:54:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, mean77dean@yahoo.com writes:

Charles

     I am not at all mad about being fired (at first I was not happy about it, I learned a long time ago to forgive and to move on),  I did however love my job. I should have just said that I am no longer with sky ski (I am a better machinist than a writer).

     Our test riders are anyone that we can get to ride our equipment or whoever volenteers.  Thanks again to all those that have shown interest, I hope to give all those that are willing a chance to ride our equipment and use their input to refine our products, but please keep in mind that we are trying to have our foil assembly ready for sale by this summer. 

     I am a sole proprieter, but have one other person involved.  We are trying to build a product line that will satisfy the needs of all levels of riders, whith pricing that is appriciably less than what other products are going for now, and quality and features comparable to current high end products.

     I would like to add that we are very excited to have the oppertunity to use riders feedback to build the products that others want at a price they will be happy about.

 

dean bare

www.hydroformance.com

"Charles W. Koch" <cwkoch@lpgandnh3.com> wrote:

Hmmm……You sound a little mad about being fired from Sky Ski…   curious…..Why is that you were fired??

 

Who are the test riders??  Do you have any partners in this venture?? Are you incorporated or a sole proprietor??

 

Thanks,

 

Charlie Koch

LPG & NH3 Supply, Inc.

1200 1st St NE

Buffalo, MN 55313

800-328-0314

www.lpgandnh3.com

 

From: Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dean Bare
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:08 PM
To: hydrofoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Hydrofoil] Re: Hydrofoil rack for Malibu Illusion tower

 

I am a machinist/designer/programer, I have been Sky Ski's machinist since they moved to redding about 4 years ago. After being fired from there about a year ago I purchased my own cnc machine center in hopes of being able to do something for hydrofoiling that has not been done "make a hydrofoil compareble to the "LE" at half the price".  I have the complete hydrofoil assembly designed and after calculating all my cost I will be able to make a complete foil assembly for half the price.  I do not want pictures of our products untill some realworld testing is done and I really don't care to give my ideas away, so i want to make sure that I have made enough of certain things so that they will be known to be mine so as not to have to worry about patent issues ( i do not want to invest in patents{in my opinion this has really s lowed the progresion of the sport, that money should be spent on improving or promoting the sport).  patents are great for the patent holder not so good for the consumer.  This is not to imply that the big name company's are overly priced I think they charge a fair price for there products.  It is the way a company is run and that products are designed and manufactured that will bring the cost of hydrofoiling down. yes our website is still in the works, personally i like really simple things and hope to keep our website that way obviously we need to put products on our site but my oppinion on how well something rides does not mean squat to hydrofoilers, so I am waiting for feedback from our front wing before putting pictures and words on our site. here are some early specs for ya though

 

same size wing as sky ski "bat wing" or "max air" wing

shape is the result of much fea and flow analasys

material is 7075-T6 aluminum

5/16 thick

cost less than $400 full retail

 

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