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The importance of complete programming:
Rummel said she has been coming to Meadowbrook since she was pregnant with her
daughter, Siora, who is now 4. Her daughter takes swimming lessons there, and he
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A role cemented at Meadowbrook
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Stephens not swimming off after putting so much into pool
By Kevin Van Valkenburg
November 8 2008
Murray Stephens likes to joke that it took his own blood to help build the
Meadowbrook Aquatic Center.
The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/olympics/bal-sp.phelpsbiz08nov08,0,6870163.st\
ory
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another version of the story
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Phelps, coach launch partnership to run Baltimore-area pool where Olympian got
his start
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By SARAH BRUMFIELD
Associated Press Writer
November 7 2008, 2:06 PM EST
BALTIMORE (AP) _ Michael Phelps and his coach, Bob Bowman, have formed a
partnership to operate the pool where the Olympic swimmer began training at age
7.
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enter,0,6632240.story
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Somehow we need to convince Bowman and Phelps to open up a Howard facility as
part of their new pool empire! ;-)
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For Phelps, a new pool venture
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Goal is to make Meadowbrook a world-class training facility
By Kevin Van Valkenburg
November 7 2008
Olympian Michael Phelps and his coach, Bob Bowman, hoping to replicate their
athletic success in the world of business, will announce a partnership today
aimed at transforming the Meadowbrook Aquatic Center in Mount Washington into a
world-class training facility.
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Few consultants recommend 50 meter pools unless it is a
University project. They seem not to understand income potential from USA Swim
team lane rental, High School lane rental, and 23 lanes of short course
swimming for all groups including Teams, Masters, Exercise, etc. I have seen
allot of recently built leisure pools throughout the country and they tend to sit
vacant most of the day after the first few months of operation. In my opinion
it is an expensive way to build a pool that looks cute but lacks sustainable
function and programming potential. The people who churn out these “cookie
cutter” studies have seldom ever run a facility let alone actually used one for
aquatic programs. Learn to swim does not have to be conducted in a large pool,
but rather in a non-intimidating small rectangle with warmer water - this still
works best. The same with adult exercise – the adults want to stretch and do
passive exercise (Ai-Chi) and water walk working on balance and gait rather
than go in a circle with a current. I have attached some figures for you (or
someone) to consider regarding the 50 meter pool which is always a hard battle
to win. The compromise position would be a 25 yard x 25 meter large pool, a 32’
x 60’ or 75’ ramped entry warmer water teaching and exercise pool, and whatever
recreational tank fulfills the cities perceived needs. Pictured below is one
of the most functional and reasonably priced projects I have seen.
In their partial defense, consultants realize that 50 meter
pools increase the operational cost of a facility by 40% when compared to 25
yard pools, they just struggle with the program and service concepts to show
how increased programming and service can offset this expense. They should be looking
at ways to increase operational efficiency with new building methodologies but
that is not “run-of-the mill” stuff and requires keeping current with the
trends.
From: RGoodri973@...
[mailto:RGoodri973@...] Sent: 2008-10-01 03:24 PM To: HoCo4a50meterPool@yahoogroups.com Cc: alexs@... Subject: Aquatic Feasibility Study released/Public Hearing set for
11-19-08 (tentative)
Hot off the presses --- here's the link for all 158 pages!
According to Raul Delerme (Div Chief of cap projects and park
planning) the public
hearing for it is TENTATIVELY scheduled for November 19 at the Rec &
Parks Headquarters, although they may adjust the date/location. MARK
YOUR CALENDARS!!
Tell all your swimming families & friends in Howard County
about the link and the tentative public hearing.
Diane
Here's a sneak at bits and pieces:
P. 10 EXCERPT
Implementation Strategy
The “toolbox” of options described in this report represents a wide variety of
solutions derived from the community and political input to meet the diverse
needs of Howard County residents. Alternatives were evaluated on the basis of
the effectiveness of response to the community’s needs as well as likely
capital costs, revenues, and expenditures. With the Columbia Association owning
numerous pools in the area, it is not the goal of Howard County to compete with
the association but to fill gaps in service.
The
consultant is not recommending a 50-meter pool in any of the overall plans, but
would like to mention
that the Howard County Recreation and Parks Department's goal is to provide
recreation and leisure
activities for the community with the ability to teach children of all ages to
swim. This can be met with
the leisure pool concept. The use of a 50-meter pool is geared towards the
competitive group, and the
county should consider partnerships to help with the additional capital cost
and the ongoing subsidy taken to operate a 50-meter pool. Three of the
areas chosen were based on a 5-mile diameter not served by other community
based pools, and have a heavy population with expected growth. The 10-mile
diameter was used in the less dense area of the western part of the county.
p 11 EXCERPT
A good partnership opportunity may exist with a
50-meter pool in Strategies A & B. Possible partnerships include high
schools interested in starting a team, private clubs in the area, and other
communities such as the Columbia Association interested in using this facility.
It is not the consultant’s recommendation for Howard County Parks and
Recreation to take sole ownership of such a project. Strategy A is recommended
based on the percentage of population that participates in swimming (25%
compared to the national average of 18%), density of the population in the
county who are not served by other pools, and comparison to other communities
in the nation.
p.116 EXCERPT
With the Columbia Association owning numerous
pools in the area, it is not the goal of Howard County
to compete with the association but to fill gaps in service. The consultant is
not recommending a 50-meter pool in any of the overall plans, but would like to
mention that the Howard County Recreation and Parks Department's goal is to
provide recreation and leisure activities for the community with the ability to
teach children of all ages to swim. This can be met with the leisure pool
concept. The use of a 50-meter pool is geared towards the competitive group,
and the county should consider partnerships to help with the additional capital
cost and the ongoing subsidy taken to operate a 50-meter pool. A good
partnership opportunity may exist with a 50-meter pool in Strategies A & B.
Possible partnerships include high schools interested in starting a team,
private clubs in the area, and other communities such as the Columbia
Association interested in using this facility. It is not the consultant’s
recommendation for Howard County Parks and Recreation to take sole ownership of
such a project.
Thanks for your very prompt response and for the attachments you sent.
My reaction mirrored yours -- I think the consultant's "Opinion of Revenue" estimates for the 50m pool option are very low (like you said, "they seem not to understand income potential from USA Swim Team lane rental, High School lane rental, 23 lanes of short course swimming for all groups including Teams, Masters, Exercise, etc.").
I am in the process of researching annual revenues for the 50m pools in our region, to confirm or discount the consultant's estimates. But honestly I wonder how much of this report is boilerplate -- using national averages -- without truly doing the local research of revenue generation. Living in Michael Phelp's (and Katie Hoff's and Kate Ziegler's) backyard, the Baltimore/DC region is hot in swimming, and there's huge demand (and lots of growth) for competitive swim venues. A boilerplate report would not take this into account.
One of the informal options suggested to me by our county's Director of Parks & Rec is that if those citizens who are interested in a 50M pool could organize (his preference is in a 501c3) to donate the funds to offset the capital cost difference between a 25m and a 50m pool, that might be a way to fund the differential. So your information comparing a 25y and a 50m will be useful -- assuming the capital costs for a 25y and a 25m are roughly the same. Money talks, and if the county were bestowed with donations from citizens who want a 50m pool, they'd have a hard time ignoring us. If you have any examples (or points of contact) of groups setting up a 501c3 organization to partially fund a 50m pool, that would be helpful.
Finally, do you mind if I cite your comments below in public testimony at county hearings? It's unlikely that a pool will be funded this budget cycle (or the next) but when the time comes to fund a pool I'd like our public officials to know before they go blindly: their customer (user) base and the income potential they'd generate; and their product offered (and how that impacts programming and activity). You've offered some thought-provoking concerns over leisure pools to consider.
Any further advice you can offer will be much appreciated, as is what you have already offered. Thanks again for all your assistance!
Regards,
Diane Goodridge
In a message dated 10/16/2008 11:21:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mnelson@... writes:
General comments:
Few consultants recommend 50 meter pools unless it is a University project. They seem not to understand income potential from USA Swim team lane rental, High School lane rental, and 23 lanes of short course swimming for all groups including Teams, Masters, Exercise, etc. I have seen allot of recently built leisure pools throughout the country and they tend to sit vacant most of the day after the first few months of operation. In my opinion it is an expensive way to build a pool that looks cute but lacks sustainable function and programming potential. The people who churn out these “cookie cutter” studies have seldom ever run a facility let alone actually used one for aquatic programs. Learn to swim does not have to be conducted in a large pool, but rather in a non-intimidating small rectangle with warmer water - this still works best. The same with adult exercise – the adults want to stretch and do passive exercise (Ai-Chi) and water walk working on balance and gait rather than go in a circle with a current. I have attached some figures for you (or someone) to consider regarding the 50 meter pool which is always a hard battle to win. The compromise position would be a 25 yard x 25 meter large pool, a 32’ x 60’ or 75’ ramped entry warmer water teaching and exercise pool, and whatever recreational tank fulfills the cities perceived needs. Pictured below is one of the most functional and reasonably priced projects I have seen.
In their partial defense, consultants realize that 50 meter pools increase the operational cost of a facility by 40% when compared to 25 yard pools, they just struggle with the program and service concepts to show how increased programming and service can offset this expense. They should be looking at ways to increase operational efficiency with new building methodologies but that is not “run-of-the mill” stuff and requires keeping current with the trends.
From: RGoodri973@... [mailto:RGoodri973@...] Sent: 2008-10-01 03:24 PM To: HoCo4a50meterPool@yahoogroups.com Cc: alexs@... Subject: Aquatic Feasibility Study released/Public Hearing set for 11-19-08 (tentative)
Hot off the presses --- here's the link for all 158 pages!
According to Raul Delerme (Div Chief of cap projects and park planning) the public hearing for it is TENTATIVELY scheduled for November 19 at the Rec & Parks Headquarters, although they may adjust the date/location. MARK YOUR CALENDARS!!
Tell all your swimming families & friends in Howard County about the link and the tentative public hearing.
Diane
Here's a sneak at bits and pieces:
P. 10 EXCERPT
Implementation Strategy The “toolbox” of options described in this report represents a wide variety of solutions derived from the community and political input to meet the diverse needs of Howard County residents. Alternatives were evaluated on the basis of the effectiveness of response to the community’s needs as well as likely capital costs, revenues, and expenditures. With the Columbia Association owning numerous pools in the area, it is not the goal of Howard County to compete with the association but to fill gaps in service. The consultant is not recommending a 50-meter pool in any of the overall plans, but would like to mention that the Howard County Recreation and Parks Department's goal is to provide recreation and leisure activities for the community with the ability to teach children of all ages to swim. This can be met with the leisure pool concept. The use of a 50-meter pool is geared towards the competitive group, and the county should consider partnerships to help with the additional capital cost and the ongoing subsidy taken to operate a 50-meter pool. Three of the areas chosen were based on a 5-mile diameter not served by other community based pools, and have a heavy population with expected growth. The 10-mile diameter was used in the less dense area of the western part of the county.
p 11 EXCERPT
A good partnership opportunity may exist with a 50-meter pool in Strategies A & B. Possible partnerships include high schools interested in starting a team, private clubs in the area, and other communities such as the Columbia Association interested in using this facility. It is not the consultant’s recommendation for Howard County Parks and Recreation to take sole ownership of such a project. Strategy A is recommended based on the percentage of population that participates in swimming (25% compared to the national average of 18%), density of the population in the county who are not served by other pools, and comparison to other communities in the nation.
p.116 EXCERPT
With the Columbia Association owning numerous pools in the area, it is not the goal of Howard County to compete with the association but to fill gaps in service. The consultant is not recommending a 50-meter pool in any of the overall plans, but would like to mention that the Howard County Recreation and Parks Department's goal is to provide recreation and leisure activities for the community with the ability to teach children of all ages to swim. This can be met with the leisure pool concept. The use of a 50-meter pool is geared towards the competitive group, and the county should consider partnerships to help with the additional capital cost and the ongoing subsidy taken to operate a 50-meter pool. A good partnership opportunity may exist with a 50-meter pool in Strategies A & B. Possible partnerships include high schools interested in starting a team, private clubs in the area, and other communities such as the Columbia Association interested in using this facility. It is not the consultant’s recommendation for Howard County Parks and Recreation to take sole ownership of such a project.
Rob Goldman, who heads CA's Sport and Fitness division, doesn't like that idea. Four years ago, the association sank $3 million into a facelift and plans to spend another million this year on heating-ventilation-air-conditioning and dehumidification work. "The Swim Center is a facility that is in very good shape."
Goldman says CA would be open to the possibility of lending some expertise or even donating some land to help the county [emphasis added] stick another toe into the water (the county's lone public pool is at the Roger Carter Recreation Center, in Ellicott City), but it's the county government's turn to pony up.
"CA has, in a large sense, relieved the county of the responsibility of providing aquatics," Goldman says.
user comments(1)
user milton says...
The consultant hired by Howard County to investigate this matter came to the conclusion that an Olympic-sized indoor pool would not even generate sufficient revenues to pay for the cost of keeping it open, let alone the cost to build it in the first place. Therefore, there is NO WAY that the pool can pay for itself. The writer of this editorial, along with the few vocal supporters of this pool, is spreading misinformation to even suggest that the pool could possibly pay for itself.
I have to wonder if Mr. Miller reads his own newspaper:
http://www.explorehoward.com/news/10130/swim/
Furthermore, anyone who thinks that it is the job of the taxpayer to boost revenue for hotels and restaurants does not have the interest of the public in mind. If a pool is good for hotels and restaurants, let hotels and restaurants pay for the pool.
An Olympic-sized indoor pool is too expensive and serves too narrow of a niche to be built with public money.
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Steve,
Your revenue analysis of the viability of a 50-meter pool is based on an ***OPINION*** of Revenue and an ***OPINION*** of Probable Expenses. I believe the feasibility study is way low on the revenue estimates for a 50-meter pool (based on rentals for practice lanes and facility rentals for meets) and am doing my own research to verify or discount what the consultant has offered.
Diane G.
In a message dated 10/3/2008 4:27:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steven.harbin@gmail.com writes:
Ignoring the purchase of the land, a 50 meter pool will cost $17.3 million. Although it will generate some revenue, it will not generate enough revenue to cover the costs (only about 60% of the costs are recovered from user fees). This means that someone (taxpayers) are going to have the fund the nearly $500,000 gap between revenue and expense.
Additionally, since revenue from the pool will not even cover costs to operate the pool, tax dollars will have to pay the $1,500,000 annual bond payments which pay for the pools construction. Since CA has expressed no interest in partnering with the county to build this pool, I would not expect anyone but taxpayers to foot the bill.
This means that taxes are going to have to be raised (or services cut somewhere else) to generate the $2,000,000 in cash that will be needed each year to have a 50 meter pool. Given that several nearby counties already have 50 meter pools that charge minimal fees, I believe that this pool idea is a non-starter especially given the state of the economy.
I know that some people were promoting a pool to be used for high school swimming, but the consultant's analysis suggests that there will only be 80 program days related to high school swim teams (I guess this is the length of the season?) and there only be will be 60 visits per program day. If I am understanding this correctly, these numbers are much smaller than I would have expected.
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I see from the archives that the idea of a publicly funded pool was deemed an appropriate topic for this list. Given that, everyone who is interested should take a look at the Aquatic Feasibility Study that was recently released by the consultant hired by the county. I just looked at it, and I was surprised at how expensive the pool options are. For the indoor pool options considered by the consultant, purchase of land was not included in the cost figures, which will of course add to the costs (unless a private group or citizen donates the six acres needed).
Ignoring the purchase of the land, a 50 meter pool will cost $17.3 million. Although it will generate some revenue, it will not generate enough revenue to cover the costs (only about 60% of the costs are recovered from user fees). This means that someone (taxpayers) are going to have the fund the nearly $500,000 gap between revenue and expense.
Additionally, since revenue from the pool will not even cover costs to operate the pool, tax dollars will have to pay the $1,500,000 annual bond payments which pay for the pools construction. Since CA has expressed no interest in partnering with the county to build this pool, I would not expect anyone but taxpayers to foot the bill.
This means that taxes are going to have to be raised (or services cut somewhere else) to generate the $2,000,000 in cash that will be needed each year to have a 50 meter pool. Given that several nearby counties already have 50 meter pools that charge minimal fees, I believe that this pool idea is a non-starter especially given the state of the economy.
I know that some people were promoting a pool to be used for high school swimming, but the consultant's analysis suggests that there will only be 80 program days related to high school swim teams (I guess this is the length of the season?) and there only be will be 60 visits per program day. If I am understanding this correctly, these numbers are much smaller than I would have expected. I would hardly use these number to justify a $2,000,000 annual expense and I would be curious to see how this compares with the costs of other sports. The consultant explicitly stated that the 50 meter pool concept is geared toward a competitive group. The implication of this is that competitive swimmers and not the general population are those who are benefiting from a 50 meter pool, so I would not even argue that the $2,000,000 cost benefits the community at large.
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I see from the archives that the idea
of a publicly funded pool was deemed an appropriate topic for this list. Given that, everyone who is interested should take a
look at the Aquatic Feasibility Study that was recently released by
the consultant hired by the county. I just looked at it, and I was
surprised at how expensive the pool options are. For the indoor pool
options considered by the consultant, purchase of land was not
included in the cost figures, which will of course add to the costs
(unless a private group or citizen donates the six acres needed).
Ignoring the purchase of the land, a 50
meter pool will cost $17.3 million. Although it will generate some
revenue, it will not generate enough revenue to cover the costs (only
about 60% of the costs are recovered from user fees). This means
that someone (taxpayers) are going to have the fund the nearly
$500,000 gap between revenue and expense.
Additionally, since revenue from the
pool will not even cover costs to operate the pool, tax dollars will
have to pay the $1,500,000 annual bond payments which pay for the
pools construction. Since CA has expressed no interest in partnering with the county to build this pool, I would not expect anyone but taxpayers to foot the bill.
This means that taxes are going to have
to be raised (or services cut somewhere else) to generate the
$2,000,000 in cash that will be needed each year to have a 50 meter
pool. Given that several nearby counties already have 50 meter pools
that charge minimal fees, I believe that this pool idea is a
non-starter especially given the state of the economy.
I know that some people were promoting
a pool to be used for high school swimming, but the consultant's
analysis suggests that there will only be 80 program days related to
high school swim teams (I guess this is the length of the season?)
and there only be will be 60 visits per program day. If I am
understanding this correctly, these numbers are much smaller than I would have expected. I
would hardly use these number to justify a $2,000,000 annual expense and I would be curious to see how this compares with the costs of other sports. The consultant explicitly stated that the 50 meter pool concept is geared toward a competitive group. The implication of this is that competitive swimmers and not the general population are those who are benefiting from a 50 meter pool, so I would not even argue that the $2,000,000 cost benefits the community at large.
According to Raul Delerme (Div Chief of cap projects and park planning) the public hearing for it is TENTATIVELY scheduled for November 19 at the Rec & Parks Headquarters, although they may adjust the date/location. MARK YOUR CALENDARS!!
Tell all your swimming families & friends in Howard County about the link and the tentative public hearing.
Diane
Here's a sneak at bits and pieces:
P. 10 EXCERPT
Implementation Strategy The “toolbox” of options described in this report represents a wide variety of solutions derived from the community and political input to meet the diverse needs of Howard County residents. Alternatives were evaluated on the basis of the effectiveness of response to the community’s needs as well as likely capital costs, revenues, and expenditures. With the Columbia Association owning numerous pools in the area, it is not the goal of Howard County to compete with the association but to fill gaps in service. The consultant is not recommending a 50-meter pool in any of the overall plans, but would like to mention that the Howard County Recreation and Parks Department's goal is to provide recreation and leisure activities for the community with the ability to teach children of all ages to swim. This can be met with the leisure pool concept. The use of a 50-meter pool is geared towards the competitive group, and the county should consider partnerships to help with the additional capital cost and the ongoing subsidy taken to operate a 50-meter pool. Three of the areas chosen were based on a 5-mile diameter not served by other community based pools, and have a heavy population with expected growth. The 10-mile diameter was used in the less dense area of the western part of the county.
p 11 EXCERPT
A good partnership opportunity may exist with a 50-meter pool in Strategies A & B. Possible partnerships include high schools interested in starting a team, private clubs in the area, and other communities such as the Columbia Association interested in using this facility. It is not the consultant’s recommendation for Howard County Parks and Recreation to take sole ownership of such a project. Strategy A is recommended based on the percentage of population that participates in swimming (25% compared to the national average of 18%), density of the population in the county who are not served by other pools, and comparison to other communities in the nation.
p.116 EXCERPT
With the Columbia Association owning numerous pools in the area, it is not the goal of Howard County to compete with the association but to fill gaps in service. The consultant is not recommending a 50-meter pool in any of the overall plans, but would like to mention that the Howard County Recreation and Parks Department's goal is to provide recreation and leisure activities for the community with the ability to teach children of all ages to swim. This can be met with the leisure pool concept. The use of a 50-meter pool is geared towards the competitive group, and the county should consider partnerships to help with the additional capital cost and the ongoing subsidy taken to operate a 50-meter pool. A good partnership opportunity may exist with a 50-meter pool in Strategies A & B. Possible partnerships include high schools interested in starting a team, private clubs in the area, and other communities such as the Columbia Association interested in using this facility. It is not the consultant’s recommendation for Howard County Parks and Recreation to take sole ownership of such a project.
Keep your eyes peeled for more details, such as release of publication (probably online) and for news of a public hearing (or public input session) to be scheduled for mid-October (approx.).
In a message dated 9/18/2008 2:30:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, RDelerme@... writes:
Hello Diane,
We are going through some final edits and are hoping to release the final report by the end of next week.
We are planning on presenting the final report to the Park Board on October 15th. Public can provide input regarding the report at this meeting. If this date changes, I will let you know.
Should you have a further questions, please contact me.
Thanks, Raul Delerme
Raul Delerme, Chief Capital Projects and Park Planning Division Howard County Department of Recreation and Parks
Phone: 410-313-4689
>>> <RGoodri973@...> 9/16/2008 8:21 AM >>> Dear Mr. Delerme,
I am interested in knowing if the county is still on track for a September release of the Aquatic Feasibility Study? That is what we were told this summer; that the estimated completion date of the study would be in September. If this is no longer the case, can you please provide an updated estimate for its release -- and subsequent Public Hearing?
-------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: renaj@... To: "Michael Jacobson" <MikeJ@...> Subject: Fw: [WoesExecutiveBoard] FW: Doughoregan Manor Update Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:05:48 +0000 Wouldn't a 50M pool look good at Kiwanis Park instead of more ball fields?
From: Courtney Watson [mailto:cwatson@howardcountymd.gov] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 1:28 PM To: Courtney Watson Subject: Doughoregan Manor Update
Dear Resident:
I was notified late yesterday that the Carroll family has signed an agreement with Erickson Retirement Communities to sell a portion of the 900 acre Doughoregan Manor property to be used for a continuing care retirement community.
The agreement with Erickson calls for a donation of approximately 36 acres of parkland to the county to be used for ball fields through an expansion of Kiwanis-Wallis Park.
The agreement calls for up to a two year study period and would require approval by the County Executive and the County Council. This study period will allow ample opportunity for a public discussion of the proposal from Erickson to locate a retirement community on the eastern portion of the property.
Doughoregan Manor is of national historic significance as the home of Charles Carroll of Carrollton, who was a Maryland signer of the Declaration of Independence. The Erickson proposal would allow the property to escape the development of up to 400 single family homes allowed by the current zoning.
I hope you will join me in a careful and thoughtful analysis of the Erickson proposal as it unfolds. I look forward to hearing your comments on the proposal as details become available. As always, feel free to contact me, or my special assistant Terry Chaconas with questions at 410-313-2001.
I am interested in knowing if the county is still on track for a September release of the Aquatic Feasibility Study? That is what we were told this summer; that the estimated completion date of the study would be in September. If this is no longer the case, can you please provide an updated estimate for its release -- and subsequent Public Hearing?
A letter that appeared in Thursday's paper, along with a online comment response (user "Milton" always responds in opposition of all "pro" 50-meter pool editorials, letters, and articles.
A quick and likely incomplete survey of public and private 50-meter pools in Maryland indicated that there aren't many -- if any -- northwest of Baltimore. Given current uncertainty in public funding, the demographics of central northwest Maryland and the perceived need for an indoor 50-meter aquatic complex, here's an idea: rather than Howard County doing it alone, what about a Howard-Carroll-Frederick tri-county pool?
A possible location would be Western Regional Park, if the pool could be fit into the remaining open areas. One plus is existing locker room facilities at the Glenwood Recreation Center, potentially expandable.
And when thinking "location, location, location," consider that this location is approximately 25 miles from downtown Frederick and 20 miles from both downtown Columbia and downtown Westminster (ask hockey parents if this is a long distance).
I'm sure there are down sides and negatives, but it's an idea that could get it built a lot sooner than Howard by itself. Facilities of the Maryland National Capital Park and Planning Commission are available at resident rates to residents of both Montgomery and Prince George's County, so perhaps a regional partnership would be feasible in this case.
Jim Acker
Elkridge
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user milton says...
Your focus on the lack of pools northwest of Baltimore is self-serving. Go southwest of Baltimore and there are several Olympic sized pools. Why can't the residents of Howard County who want to use a 50 meter pool make use of the nearby pools in Montgomery County? That is the solution that makes the most sense. Instead, the few citizens who will use a 50 meter pool want to make us spend $20 million to save themselves a short drive to a neighboring county.
Olympian starts foundation to promote youth swimming
By Childs Walker
September 3, 2008
Michael Phelps has long yearned to attract more kids to swimming and to teach them about the pursuit of dreams, using his own life as the textbook.
He took his first step in that direction yesterday when he announced on NBC's Today show that he will donate the $1million Olympic bonus he received from Speedo to a foundation he has created to promote water safety and youth swimming.
"This is a way for me to really help grow the sport," he said in explaining why he gave the prize to the newly created Michael Phelps Foundation.
Phelps' longtime agent, Peter Carlisle, said he has talked with the swimmer for years about setting up a foundation. Phelps knew he wanted to spread interest in swimming but also wanted to convey a message that could apply to other activities.
"Some of these kids may swim, some may never swim, but they can take the lessons Michael has learned and apply them to anything," Carlisle said.
Phelps said the foundation will soon begin an eight-city tour to introduce a program called "Dream, Plan, Reach." It's designed to help children set goals and take daily responsibility for pursuing them.
"It's something that I think is important and something that will be fun," he said.
Phelps set big goals at an early age, but he had to embrace the everyday drudgery of 6a.m. practices in a cold pool to reach them. He believes children must dream as he did, Carlisle said, but they must also learn to plan. Phelps will never be in a better position to convey that message.
"The primary goal for him will be to do what he did in '04 and get in front of kids so they can talk to him, shake his hand, interact with him directly," Carlisle said. "He feels a responsibility to use the platform he has right now."
Phelps received the $1million from Speedo as a reward for winning a record eight gold medals in Beijing. The company also announced it will donate $200,000 to the Michael Phelps Foundation.
The Rodgers Forge native's potential plans to purchase the Meadowbrook facility in North Baltimore, where he trained until 2004, remain up in the air, said Carlisle and the pool's general manager, John Cadigan. But the neighboring Northwest Ice Rink, which could be part of an expansion, closed last weekend.
The Phelps media tour will roll on for the next two weeks. He'll appear Sunday as a presenter on MTV's Video Music Awards and will be a guest Monday on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. On Sept.13, he will host the season premiere of Saturday Night Live.
Could Phelps' golden touch help our Olympic dream?
Posted 8/28/08
Dear Michael Phelps:
Like the rest of the world, we in Howard County wish you hearty congratulations on your golden performance in Beijing. And thank you for all you've done to spotlight the sport of swimming.
However, we in Howard County are in the dark ages when it comes to competitive swimming. And we sure could use your help.
You see, there are no 50-meter pools -- public or private, indoor or outdoor -- in our entire county. Our public schools don't recognize swimming as a high school sport. Our Recreation and Parks Department fails to offer even one public indoor swim facility.
So when you say that you hope you can do for swimming what Michael Jordan did for basketball, we could use a little of your help in convincing our public officials that building an Olympic-size pool is a worthwhile -- and economically viable -- endeavor. Not just for the investment in our citizenry's health but also for our county's economic health.
Our grass-roots effort has tried for years to make swimming a recognized sport in the public schools, and it has asked that an indoor 50-meter pool/aquatic center be built. We've progressed to the point where the county commissioned an aquatic feasibility study, but we've been told by our Recreation and Parks Department that there is no money to support such a project anytime in the near future.
Mr. Phelps, we are not asking for your money, although, if you're looking for an aquatic investment, we'd fully support and welcome it.
Instead, we are inviting you to drive a half hour to Howard County and testify at the next public hearing on the aquatic feasibility study, which has not yet been announced but should be scheduled soon. Or consider e-mailing your testimony to County Executive Ken Ulman (KUlman@...) to tell him how viable such a project can be.
Diane Goodridge
Ellicott City
This letter is also signed by Andy Lazris, Alex Solomotis, Jody Frey and Mike Jacobson as Howard County Citizens for a 50-Meter Pool.
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forwarding Doug Miller's column -- love the last few sentences where he mentions that CA's Goldman is willing to discuss with the county about possibly donating land to the county (or offering expertise) for them to open a indoor pool -- but that it's the county's turn to PONY UP as throughout the years the county as been relieved of the responsibility to offer aquatics to its citizens. That's great! - Diane
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Doug Miller: Those floating indoor-pool proposal hold breath
By Doug Miller dmiller@...
Posted 8/28/08
Given all the Michael Phelps mania, now would seem a great time for advocates to accelerate their campaign to get the county to build an indoor aquatics center with a 50-meter pool.
On the other hand, the timing is lousy. With the economy in the tank, the last thing county officials want is a new expenditure.
The center's advocates say they're willing to try to raise the money from private sources, but with a minimum price tag of $17 million, bake sales won't cut it. They're hoping the Howard County Revenue Authority -- formed ostensibly to fund a parking garage in old Ellicott City, but authorized to issue bonds for cultural or recreation projects -- might help, and county officials confirm a swim center is on the radar. But the authority is still in its infancy, its capabilities still a question mark.
People who are pushing for this facility, of course, have a vested interest: They or their children are involved in competitive swimming. But they are quick to point out that such a facility would generate numerous benefits for the community at large: greater access year-round to an ideal form of aerobic exercise, the ability to make swimming a varsity sport in the high schools, warm-water therapy for a growing population of aged residents.
"It's not like we're asking for something that wouldn't pay for itself or will only benefit the Columbia Clippers," says Alex Solomotis, of Hickory Ridge.
He adds that the regional meets Howard County could host in such a facility would provide a shot in the arm for the local economy. "When I go to a swim meet, I rent a hotel room, eat out two or three times a week."
But even if the center did eventually pay for itself, somebody's got to put up that money up front, and as Gary Arthur, the director of the county Department of Recreation and Parks, points out, "It's a down time for public funding of such a facility."
Arthur noted a Baltimore Sun analysis published this week that found only one in 11 houses in the region that were on the market during the first six months of this year actually sold. "We saw a 75 percent cut in local transfer tax revenue this year."
The four options the county considers in a preliminary report -- the most cost-effective of which would be an outdoor leisure pool, according to the consultant -- all assume brand-new construction. But it seems crazy to build something from scratch when Columbia is chock-a-block with pools, many of them underused. Why not lengthen one of the Columbia Association's existing outdoor pools and throw a bubble over it for wintertime use. Better still, with the Wilde Lake Village Center on the verge of a facelift, what about incorporating a renovation of CA's Columbia Swim Center?
Rob Goldman, who heads CA's Sport and Fitness division, doesn't like that idea. Four years ago, the association sank $3 million into a facelift and plans to spend another million this year on heating-ventilation-air-conditioning and dehumidification work. "The Swim Center is a facility that is in very good shape."
Goldman says CA would be open to the possibility of lending some expertise or even donating some land to help the county stick another toe into the water (the county's lone public pool is at the Roger Carter Recreation Center, in Ellicott City), but it's the county government's turn to pony up.
"CA has, in a large sense, relieved the county of the responsibility of providing aquatics," Goldman says.
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Other than signing a petition a few summers ago, I haven't been involved in the effort to establish Howard County's first Olympic-sized pool to support high school competitive swimming. But even as a "casual swimming" resident, I can see the need for more indoor swimming facilities to provide better access to year-round swimming for residents, and to support the development of swimming as a high school sport.
I'm not a Super Swim Parent. My kids are on a summer swim team at the West Laurel Swim Club and participate in a weekly stroke-and-turn clinic during the rest of the year at Fairland Aquatic Center in Prince George's County. My kids are not superstars to anyone else but their parents; their swimming achievements are not measured in medals, but in personal bests and legal strokes.
My kids are still a few years away from high school, but having witnessed the camaraderie and diversity of the kids who swim for Prince George's County high schools on our summer swim team, it does seem a shame that this opportunity is currently not available in Howard County. Unless things change in the next few years, it will not be available for my children either.
In this day and age of rising youth obesity and extremely competitive youth sports that often discourage all but the most competent athletes from participating, swimming provides an inclusive athletic alternative for our youth as well as for the rest of us. In high school, swimming could become a great melting pot of athletes from other fall and spring sports who join to maintain or increase aerobic conditioning, along with kids who just like to swim.
Unlike many sports, it is a lifetime sport that could be enjoyed at any age by all residents of the county if sufficient public facilities were available.
Sondra Ailinger
North Laurel
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Diane,
I love this! Wouldn’t it be great if Michael Phelps came to a
Howard County public hearing to testify on this important issue (even better if
he would invest in an aquatic center).
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alexs@... Subject: Open Letter to Michael Phelps: Please help bring a 50-M pool to
Howard Co, MD
Dear Mr. Phelps,
Like the rest of the world, we in Howard County wish you hearty
congratulations on your golden performance in Beijing! And thank you
for all you've done to spotlight the sport of swimming.
However, we in Howard County are in the dark ages when it
comes to competitive swimming. And we sure could use your help.
You see, there are no 50-meter pools -- public or private, indoor
or outdoor -- in our entire county. Our public schools don't
recognize swimming as a high school sport. Our recreation and parks department
fails to offer even one public indoor swim facility.
So when you say that you hope you can do for swimming what Michael
Jordan did for basketball, we could use a little of your help
in convincing our public officials that building
an Olympic-size pool is a worthwhile -- and economically viable
-- endeavor. Not just for the investment in our citizenry's
health but also for our county's economic health.
Our grass roots effort has tried for years to make swimming a
recognized sport in the public schools, and it has asked that an indoor
50-meter pool/aquatic center be built. We've progressed to the point
where the county commissioned an aquatic feasibility study, but we've been
told by our recreation and parks department that there is no money to
support such a project anytime in the near future. At best, it's likely
to be a project down the road.
Mr. Phelps, we are not asking for your money. (Although, if
you're looking for an aquatic investment, we'd fully support and
welcome it!)
Instead, we are inviting you to drive a half hour to Howard
County and testify at the next public hearing on the aquatic feasibility
study, which has not yet been announced but should be scheduled soon. And
understandably, if your free time is scarce, please consider emailing your
testimony to County Executive Ken Ulman (KUlman@...)
to tell him how viable such a project can be.
We think you'd lend credibility to our years of testifying in
support of the sport of swimming and for a public facility.
With your public backing, we think many more Howard citizens
would gladly join our effort.
And we hope that your public endorsement of such a project would
motivate our public officials to put this project on the front burner – and
possibly spur partnerships between the county and private investors, such as
General Growth Properties or Kimco, who have significant property holdings in
Columbia and are looking to redevelop them.
Won't you please help us?
Thank you for considering, and best of luck to you as you
return to Baltimore and take a well-deserved break before starting new
endeavors and training for 2012.
Sincerely,
Howard County Citizens for a 50-Meter Pool
(Founders: Andy Lazris, Alex Solomotis, Jody Frey, Mike
Jacobson and Diane Goodridge)
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Dear Mr. Phelps,
Like the rest of the world, we in Howard County wish you hearty congratulations on your golden performance in Beijing! And thank you for all you've done to spotlight the sport of swimming.
However, we in Howard County are in the dark ages when it comes to competitive swimming. And we sure could use your help.
You see, there are no 50-meter pools -- public or private, indoor or outdoor -- in our entire county. Our public schools don't recognize swimming as a high school sport.Our recreation and parks department fails to offer even one public indoor swim facility.
So when you say that you hope you can do for swimming what Michael Jordan did for basketball, we could use a little of your help in convincing our public officials that building an Olympic-size pool is a worthwhile -- and economically viable -- endeavor. Not just for the investment in our citizenry's health but also for our county's economic health.
Our grass roots effort has tried for years to make swimming a recognized sport in the public schools, and it has asked that an indoor 50-meter pool/aquatic center be built. We've progressed to the point where the county commissioned an aquatic feasibility study, but we've been told by our recreation and parks department that there is no money to support such a project anytime in the near future. At best, it's likely to be a project down the road.
Mr. Phelps, we are not asking for your money.(Although, if you're looking for an aquatic investment, we'd fully support and welcome it!)
Instead, we are inviting you to drive a half hour to Howard County and testify at the next public hearing on the aquatic feasibility study, which has not yet been announced but should be scheduled soon. And understandably, if your free time is scarce, please consider emailing your testimony to County Executive Ken Ulman (KUlman@...) to tell him how viable such a project can be.
We think you'd lend credibility to our years of testifying in support of the sport of swimming and for a public facility.
With your public backing, we think many more Howard citizens would gladly join our effort.
And we hope that your public endorsement of such a project would motivate our public officials to put this project on the front burner – and possibly spur partnerships between the county and private investors, such as General Growth Properties or Kimco, who have significant property holdings in Columbia and are looking to redevelop them.
Won't you please help us?
Thank you for considering, and best of luck to you as you return to Baltimore and take a well-deserved break before starting new endeavors and training for 2012.
Sincerely,
Howard County Citizens for a 50-Meter Pool
(Founders: Andy Lazris, Alex Solomotis, Jody Frey, Mike Jacobson and Diane Goodridge)
Olympic-size pool would be a boon to health, economy
Posted 8/21/08
I was surprised and somewhat shocked to see the letter by Steve Harbin (Aug. 7) questioning the utility of a large pool in Howard County. He believes that construction of such a pool would be fiscally irresponsible, that it would benefit few other than competitive swimmers who could easily go to other counties to use pools. He even suggests that there are a plethora of pools already in the county that can be used.
Does Mr. Harbin realize that the existing pools in the county are privately run and, except for a few facilities, are open only three months a year? Is he aware that thousands of kids who expressed a wish through petition to participate in high school swim programs will be denied that opportunity without a new pool in the county? Is he aware that other aquatic activities such as water polo and water aerobics are so limited in Howard County that many can not partake in such activities? That the county's geriatric population has minimal access to swim facilities?
I was recently in Montgomery County at one of their many indoor public-financed Olympic-sized pools. Swimmers from Maine to Virginia converged on the county last weekend to partake in a regional swim meet. They stayed in hotels there, ate at restaurants and paid for use of Mongomery County's facilities. After the meet, the pool was crowded with many lap swimmers, with kids going on the large water slide, with a variety of other kids and adults engaging in the many aquatic activities that such a pool permits. Nothing like that exists in Howard County, despite Mr. Harbin's imagination.
A pool such as the one suggested would not be the financial drain that Mr. Harbin suggests. It could be built through a cooperative effort, using private and county funds, perhaps even partnering with the Columbia Association or even Howard Community College. It will generate revenue. And all those competitive swimmers that Mr. Harbin so callously dismisses will descend on Howard County and spend their money here and help us to have the pool that we desperately need. It is really a win-win situation for everyone.
Andy Lazris
Dorsey's Search
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I'm not a big swim parent -- my kids swim summer swim team and do a
stroke and turn clinic during the rest of the year (at Fairland ...
out of county of course). They're no where near superstars, but they
drop time on a regular basis, and that makes them and me proud. But,
I do think it is ridiculous that Howard County doesn't have sufficient
swim facilities to allow swimming to be a high school sport. In this
day and age of rising youth obesity, swimming is something that most
people can do, the risk of injury is low, and it is a great
team/individual sport so EVERYONE can achieve something, even if
they're not a superstar. Having just spent the last several days
cheering for Michael Phelps and his 8 gold medals, and hearing that
he's returning to Baltimore to "change the sport of swimming", along
with reports that he's purchasing a pool complex in Baltimore County
which is only a stone's throw away, I'm wondering ... could this group
appeal to Mr. Phelps to help this effort in some way? Changing the
sport of swimming ultimately means doing it from the ground up, which
means getting more people involved in it by making it accessible ...
which is just what this group is trying to do. Whether it is
publicity or fund raising or help with land purchase or heck even
building the center himself ... who knows what might be possible....
Just thought I'd toss out the idea....
Neighboring counties fund needed recreation facilities
Posted 8/07/08
I, too, leave Howard County to use the indoor pool. ("Howard has high demand for 50-meter swim facility," letters, July 31). My pool of choice is the Fairland athletic complex, in Prince George's County. Fairland also has a large ice skating rink and a gymnastic facility.
Prince George's County, like Montgomery County, has four indoor pools and numerous outdoor pools. So why are we so far behind?
Montgomery and Prince George's are fortunate to have a commission responsible for the acquisition and management of recreational facilities. The Maryland General Assembly chartered the Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission in 1927. The administrative consolidation in the two counties has netted 52,000 acres devoted to recreation. We should look to this success story for guidance.
Unfortunately, the Howard County Recreation and Parks budget tends to be cut when times are tough. Thus, it behooves the county planners to be creative and develop some independent support and partnerships within the county or we will continue to lag behind.
Recreational and exercise facilities are not an option. They are a necessity. Physical activity improves quality of life. It helps prevent obesity and keeps us healthy. Facilities can provide additional sports for high school students, with a concomitant increase in the potential for scholarships. Let's build some world-class athletic facilities.
Girl born with congenital heart defect still has athletic lifestyle
By Andrew Conrad aconrad@...
Posted 8/07/08
Swimming
On the surface, Megan Schoepfer appears to be an average 13-year-old girl. She swims for the West Howard Swim Club and is getting ready to begin high school at Mount Airy Christian Academy.
She has two younger siblings, 8-year-old sister, Morgan, and 10-year-old brother, Matthew, and two loving parents, Robert and Donna. And she loves sports. Beneath her skin though, Megan is no average 13-year-old. Where the average person's blood zigs, Megan's zags.
"The right side of (her) heart was too small to allow adequate flow through the tricuspid (entry) valve on the right side. (She) also had a VSD (ventrical septal defect) -- a hole between the two pumping chambers. As a result, the VSD was closed and flow from (her) upper body was diverted directly into the lung blood vessels without having to go through the heart, an operation called a Glenn procedure," explained Megan's doctor, Joel Brenner, in an e-mail.
In layman's terms, Megan, who was born with a congenital heart defect, had the tubes attached to her heart rerouted.
"At the top it flows by momentum, and the bottom it's pumped," her mother says. "She can't stand on her head for a long time."
After the initial surgery, fluid developed around Megan's lungs and she spent her first birthday in the hospital. She obviously doesn't remember it, but has seen videos of herself at the time.
"It's scary seeing myself with all those tubes," she says.
Thanks to medical science, Megan now lives a wholly normal childhood, aside from taking one baby aspirin a day to thin her blood and going in for a yearly check up.
Megan is able to sustain a healthy dosage of sports including basketball (her Mount Airy Christian Academy middle school team won the league championship this year), volleyball, soccer and field hockey.
"I'm going to start lacrosse and softball (soon)," adds Megan, who likes to read books about sports when she's not competing.
"She likes to stack the sports, she says 'I can do two or three at a time' ," says Donna, horrified by the logistics.
This summer, Megan joined the West Howard Wahoos swim team for the first time. At first she could barely make it across the pool. Now she can do every stroke and improved her times at every meet, culminating with the season-ending novice meet, where she posted her best performance of the season. She was twice named Wahoos Swimmer of the Week.
"I didn't know anything at all when I first started, now I know strokes, turns, starts," Megan said. "I really like (swimming) ... you get to compete against yourself and others."
The only limitation is that Megan has to be careful not to overexert herself and strain her heart.
"All her coaches know that she can only do what she can do, and she has to tell them when she has to stop. She just can't push herself too much, but she does," Donna Schoepfer said.
For a time, Megan's doctors thought they might try to reverse her Glenn procedure, so that her blood flowed the usual route now that her heart is getting big enough to handle it. But they eventually decided against it.
"There hopefully will be no further surgeries, her heart function should continue to be good, and there hopefully will be no heart rhythm disturbance," Dr. Brenner wrote.
"They said as long as she's doing well this way and she's functioning, there's no sense in setting her back, because it will for months, if she has another heart surgery," Donna said.
With the fall sports season approaching, Megan has no time for the sidelines.
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Would anyone like to send a counterpoint letter to respond to this? Ideally, the response should be from someone "new" to the newspaper. Maybe an opportunity to tie-in to many of the Olympic "firsts" (Phelps as most decorated Olympian ever; or Cullen Jones as first African American to ever win an Olympic gold medal in swimming ... the opportunities are endless to make a point).
Residents of Howard County receive a large number of services from county government. All citizens of Howard County receive these services, be they young, old, rich, poor or otherwise. We are budgeted to burn through over $1.5 billion in fiscal year 2008 to pay for schools, libraries, parks, community centers, police, fire and emergency medical services, roads and a variety of other goods and services. The county government even plans to provide us recycling containers.
My jaw drops when I read that there are some among us who insist that a 50-meter indoor swimming pool that costs $20 million must be constructed to meet the needs of the "under served" in Howard County ("County prodded to ponder building Olympic-size pool," news, July 17) .
We already have many swimming pools in Howard County, at least one of which is taxpayer-funded. An Olympic-size swimming pool will provide nothing more than a narrow range of specialized uses over and above the benefits we receive from our existing pools. Those specialized uses are related to competitive swimming.
Given that most residents of Howard County are not competitive swimmers, I believe that an Olympic-size pool is something that offers few county residents anything new. Those few who have a need for an Olympic-size pool could utilize the Olympic-size pools in nearby Baltimore and Montgomery counties. Therefore, I hope that our elected officials show some fiscal responsibility and reject the call to construct such an expensive item that benefits so few.